RSS 2.0 Feed

» Welcome Guest Log In :: Register

Pages: (10) < 1 2 [3] 4 5 6 7 8 ... >   
  Topic: GoP's Christianity, Islam, Race, & The West Thread< Next Oldest | Next Newest >  
The Ghost of Paley



Posts: 1703
Joined: Oct. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2006,10:16   

"Matt" Hughes:
   
Quote
*yawn*

Is GOP always this good?

I know, I know.....you're looking for tardilicious entertainment rather than <cough> enlightenment. If someone has the cojones to debate me you just might get your wish. In any case, I plan on supporting these contentions as time permits. The debate format keeps me focused.


R.O'B.
   
Quote
First of all, let's drop this "Judeo-Christian" nonsense.

I understand what you're implying WRT Ms. Knotts, but we both know the Judeo belongs there.

   
Quote
Secondly, you may "cheerfully argue" that Christianity has destroyed or impeded more knowledge than any other culture but it would be an argument you would lose.

And how....

--------------
Dey can't 'andle my riddim.

  
ScaryFacts



Posts: 337
Joined: Aug. 2006

(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2006,10:18   

To have a healthy society you must have an enduring social contract.  Otherwise people like to be nasty to one another to gain the best mating partner or scarce resource.  Throughout history there have always been voices calling for social reform against the “evil” in society.  Typically these voices have been tied to a particular religious belief system.

In the west the social contract was underwritten by Judeo-Christian Scriptures.  Those scriptures were pointed to for a definition of evil and justice.  There is also innate in those scriptures the idea of Justice—that the universe is always watching and evil, even hidden evil, will be punished.

I suspect all cultures that thrive use some justification for their own social contract.

The real success of the west is likely capitalism, a rather non-Biblical concept.  Christians are taught the “most noble” way to live is with minimal consumption, giving all possible to the common good.  Which seems much more like communism.

I separate my personal faith from institutionalized Christianity simply because the two are very different animals.  “Christianity” as an institution exists to fulfill all sorts of social needs and desires.  It’s a type of civic organization.  It deals mostly with the outward—where we go, what we do.  

Christ taught much more about the quality of a person’s life:  How what is inside causes us to act outside.  Followers of Christ give to the poor not because society or an institution demands it, they give because they see another human in suffering and hope to alleviate that suffering.  It's inside them and they can do no other thing.

Compassion is not unique to Christ’s teachings; I certainly know compassionate atheists.  But compassion was unknown to me personally until I came to know the teachings of Christ.  Maybe many of you are “good” people.  Me, I’m still learning and Christ’s teachings have been the only ones able to make that change in me.

Just ask my wife.

   
Richardthughes



Posts: 11178
Joined: Jan. 2006

(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2006,10:22   

GOP: I have the Cojones to use my real name, so please use it, eh?

I've offered that it is infact the enlightenment that braught us all these good things. Seems you don't want to debate.

Possible falsification: Pre enlightment Christianity was just as peachy as post, or perhaps we can look at South American Christians untouched by the enlightenment?

--------------
"Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield
"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
The Ghost of Paley



Posts: 1703
Joined: Oct. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2006,10:34   

Richard Hughes:

 
Quote
GOP: I have the Cojones to use my real name, so please use it, eh?


OK. But "Matt" Hughes wasn't meant as an insult. Goodness knows I'd rather have that name than, say, B.J. Penn. :D

 
Quote
I've offered that it is infact the enlightenment that braught us all these good things. Seems you don't want to debate.


And a good point it is; tonight, I will address it. In fact, feel free to add other objections to my hypothesis in the meanwhile. I hope to demonstrate that Christianity was necessary for the development of Enlightenment ideas.

--------------
Dey can't 'andle my riddim.

  
ericmurphy



Posts: 2460
Joined: Oct. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2006,10:35   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 24 2006,16:48)
 
Quote (ericmurphy @ Sep. 24 2006,16:21)
So far, 24 messages, and not a speck of evidence that Christianity has in any way, shape, or form been of any benefit whatsoever to the West.


Except that wasn't the original premise; the original idea was, in fact:

   
Quote
Dave requested that this topic get its own thread, so here it is. Dave will show why the West is fundamentally Christian, and should remain so.


[my boldfacing]

Quite a different thing.

Except for the "and should remain so." Presumably, both Bill and Dave believe the West not only is Christian, but also "should remain so," because they believe being Christian bestows some benefit on the West.

I'm confident either Bill or Dave would lose an argument about whether the Founding Fathers intended the U.S. to be a "Christian" nation, given that most of them were deists, not Christians. But I'd be curious to see either Bill's or Dave's argument as to why the West should "remain" Christian, even presupposing arguendo that it is Christian now.

--------------
2006 MVD award for most dogged defense of scientific sanity

"Atheism is a religion the same way NOT collecting stamps is a hobby." —Scott Adams

  
Richardthughes



Posts: 11178
Joined: Jan. 2006

(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2006,10:37   

So we're agreed that the enlightement, not Christainity, is the wellspring of this goodness?

--------------
"Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield
"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
ericmurphy



Posts: 2460
Joined: Oct. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2006,10:50   

Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 25 2006,11:46)
(btw, in case you're wondering how fast such stars, 4.5 ly away, would have to be moving to rotate around us once a day, the answer is about 9,000 times the speed of light.)

I already made Bill do this calculation, which didn't give him a second's pause in his belief in geocentrism.

I also made him figure out the mass of the earth sufficient to hold an object in orbit at that distance and that velocity (assuming that special relativity is only a suggestion, not the law), and the figure came out to an appreciable fraction of the mass of the visible universe. That didn't slow him down either. He claimed he wasn't surprised at the answer, "given the initial assumptions," and said "there's more to the story," but here it is, almost a year later, and we haven't heard the "more" to the story yet.

--------------
2006 MVD award for most dogged defense of scientific sanity

"Atheism is a religion the same way NOT collecting stamps is a hobby." —Scott Adams

  
Mike PSS



Posts: 428
Joined: Sep. 2006

(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2006,10:50   

Totally OT.  But maybe Robert O'Brian will see this.

I can install Latin signatures too.  At least be clear on your signature block.  Maybe we should argue an "English language, Christian West" instead.

Or maybe these: :O  
Quote

Caeci caecos ducentes
Cur etiam hic es
Cuiusvis hominis est errare; nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare
De asini vmbra disceptare


Mike PSS

  
ericmurphy



Posts: 2460
Joined: Oct. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2006,10:54   

Quote (The Ghost of Paley @ Sep. 25 2006,12:55)
Hey Arfin, do you want to debate the topic on this thread? I think you know I'll win this debate, and that's why you're trying to change the subject. If you want to talk geocentrism, bring it up in the appropriate threads.

Don't bother. Bill has two threads going where he's supposedly supporting his geocentrism "theory" with actual evidence, and they're both belly-up, and have been for months.

Gotta give credit where it's due: even though AF Dave has yet to present any evidence supporting his "hypothesis," he's doing a great job of inducing evidence contradicting it. Bill can't even seem to keep his threads going.

--------------
2006 MVD award for most dogged defense of scientific sanity

"Atheism is a religion the same way NOT collecting stamps is a hobby." —Scott Adams

  
guthrie



Posts: 696
Joined: Jan. 2006

(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2006,11:19   

Quote (Stephen Elliott @ Sep. 25 2006,13:36)
Quote (guthrie @ Sep. 25 2006,10:16)
What is good about "The west"

A bit out of context yes.

But have you ever lived in the East?

It is not very nice.

Just now, many parts of it are not nice.  But 600 years ago large parts of China and India were more advanced than much of Western Europe, and nicer places to live.  

Also, some of what makes "The east" a bad place to live right now are imports from "The west", whether its our strains of political dictatorship, or rampant industrialisation that is poisoning part of society.  

Besides, I really dont think you can involve the Greeks in this, insofar as they were not Christians, and IIRC correctly it was a Christian bishop who had the library of ALexandria burnt, which library contained many copies of important texts from the Greeks and ROmans.

  
Arden Chatfield



Posts: 6657
Joined: Jan. 2006

(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2006,12:08   

Quote (ericmurphy @ Sep. 25 2006,15:50)
Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 25 2006,11:46)
(btw, in case you're wondering how fast such stars, 4.5 ly away, would have to be moving to rotate around us once a day, the answer is about 9,000 times the speed of light.)

I already made Bill do this calculation, which didn't give him a second's pause in his belief in geocentrism.

I also made him figure out the mass of the earth sufficient to hold an object in orbit at that distance and that velocity (assuming that special relativity is only a suggestion, not the law), and the figure came out to an appreciable fraction of the mass of the visible universe. That didn't slow him down either. He claimed he wasn't surprised at the answer, "given the initial assumptions," and said "there's more to the story," but here it is, almost a year later, and we haven't heard the "more" to the story yet.

That reminds me, how fast did we figure out the continents had to have moved to make AFD's young earth theory work?

--------------
"Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

  
Henry J



Posts: 5786
Joined: Mar. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2006,12:12   

Half the width of the Atlantic in 40 days?

  
ericmurphy



Posts: 2460
Joined: Oct. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2006,12:24   

Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 25 2006,17:12)
Half the width of the Atlantic in 40 days?

If you look at the little diagram Dave posted of Dr. Brown's "hydroplate hypothesis," it's apparent that all this continental "drift" (if that's for the word for it) happened in one day. Which on the face of it implies that the Atlantic ocean formed in one day, which means that North America surged away from the Mid-Atlantic Ridge at something like 100 MPH. Or more, if it didn't slam to a stop instantaneously when it ran into—what?—the Pacific Plate? Which seems to have escaped unharmed, given the obvious lack of mountains off the California shoreline (at least I've never seen them, from my vantage point on the California shoreline).

--------------
2006 MVD award for most dogged defense of scientific sanity

"Atheism is a religion the same way NOT collecting stamps is a hobby." —Scott Adams

  
Robert O'Brien



Posts: 348
Joined: Aug. 2006

(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2006,12:48   

Quote (The Ghost of Paley @ Sep. 25 2006,15:16)
I understand what you're implying WRT Ms. Knotts, but we both know the Judeo belongs there.

No, we do not. I think Judaism is superfluous.

--------------
Caeli enarrant gloriam Dei

    
Chris Hyland



Posts: 705
Joined: Jan. 2006

(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2006,12:50   

Quote
1) The West needs Christianity if it wants to remain healthy. This is partly due to Christianity's role in shaping the West in the first place.
I would appriciate if you explained the second part first. That is, I grant the importance of Christianity (as well as other things) in shaping our culture, but I dont see how that affects whether or not it is nessecary now.

  
Arden Chatfield



Posts: 6657
Joined: Jan. 2006

(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2006,13:03   

Quote (Robert O'Brien @ Sep. 25 2006,17:48)
Quote (The Ghost of Paley @ Sep. 25 2006,15:16)
I understand what you're implying WRT Ms. Knotts, but we both know the Judeo belongs there.

No, we do not. I think Judaism is superfluous.

Judaism feels the same about you.

--------------
"Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

  
Robert O'Brien



Posts: 348
Joined: Aug. 2006

(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2006,13:10   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 25 2006,18:03)
Judaism feels the same about you.

What Judaism "feels" does not concern me. It is a relic.

--------------
Caeli enarrant gloriam Dei

    
Arden Chatfield



Posts: 6657
Joined: Jan. 2006

(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2006,13:22   

Quote (Robert O'Brien @ Sep. 25 2006,18:10)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 25 2006,18:03)
Judaism feels the same about you.

What Judaism "feels" does not concern me. It is a relic.

What do you think ought to be done about the problem?

--------------
"Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

  
Robert O'Brien



Posts: 348
Joined: Aug. 2006

(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2006,13:26   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 25 2006,18:22)
What do you think ought to be done about the problem?

What problem?

--------------
Caeli enarrant gloriam Dei

    
ericmurphy



Posts: 2460
Joined: Oct. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2006,13:27   

Quote (The Ghost of Paley @ Sep. 25 2006,15:34)
In fact, feel free to add other objections to my hypothesis in the meanwhile. I hope to demonstrate that Christianity was necessary for the development of Enlightenment ideas.

I'd be curious to see how you could go about "demonstrating" this assertion, Bill. Presumably what you're saying is that, if Christianity never existed, Western civilization would not be as dynamic and successful as it is. If that's the case, you need to somehow exclude the possibility that there are other factors (climate, ease of transportation, lack of geographic barriers, access to draft animals, i.e., most of the factors raised in Guns, Germs, and Steel) which have had an equal or greater influence on the success of Western civilization. As you yourself have conceded, correlation != causation. After all, Judeo-Christian culture doesn't seem to have done much for the middle east, and it's been there a lot longer than it's been in Europe.

And, once you've excluded the possibility that other factors are equally or more influential in the success of Western culture, you need to show what it is about Judeo-Christian culture which is a) different from other cultural traditions such as Greco-Roman, Buddhist, Muslim, and Confucian, and b) which is particularly conducive to building a vibrant, successful culture, which Western civilization, for whatever problems it may have, undeniably is.

So, do you agree that that's what you need to prove, Bill? And, more to the point, are you up to the task? Or is this just going to be another uncompleted project to join guts-to-gametes, geocentrism, and scale-free networks?

--------------
2006 MVD award for most dogged defense of scientific sanity

"Atheism is a religion the same way NOT collecting stamps is a hobby." —Scott Adams

  
Arden Chatfield



Posts: 6657
Joined: Jan. 2006

(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2006,13:32   

Quote (Robert O'Brien @ Sep. 25 2006,18:26)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 25 2006,18:22)
What do you think ought to be done about the problem?

What problem?

The problem of this relic religion lying around.

--------------
"Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

  
Robert O'Brien



Posts: 348
Joined: Aug. 2006

(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2006,13:40   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 25 2006,18:32)
The problem of this relic religion lying around.

I do not consider it a problem; Judaism is innocuous enough. (Although, Israel is a problem.)

--------------
Caeli enarrant gloriam Dei

    
The Ghost of Paley



Posts: 1703
Joined: Oct. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2006,13:41   

ericmurphy:
   
Quote
Gotta give credit where it's due: even though AF Dave has yet to present any evidence supporting his "hypothesis," he's doing a great job of inducing evidence contradicting it. Bill can't even seem to keep his threads going.


While there's a good deal of truth to this, I think you're drifting a little. I haven't begun to support some claims (6000 year-old-Earth, scale-free networks, guts-to-gametes), and I've stalled on the geocentrism threads, but there are some claims where I've debated to the point of mutual exhaustion (Brazeau; crime stats several times), and some threads where I won outright (liberal media bias*, Muslim non-assimilation). So it's not like I bail on everything: in fact, I think I've won every political debate I've ever had on this board.

Robert O'Brien:

Why is the Judeo part superfluous? I really can't wrap my head around this. Would you mind elaborating? And why is Israel a problem?



*even Faid conceded at first that I showed the very piece of evidence he demanded, and Russell had no response to my counterobjections to his feedback loop model

--------------
Dey can't 'andle my riddim.

  
breakerslion



Posts: 4
Joined: Sep. 2006

(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2006,13:50   

Weird. My reply seems to have posted to the wrong thread. I hereby erase it, since "delete" does not seem to be an option. Just pretend I wasn't here.

  
Arden Chatfield



Posts: 6657
Joined: Jan. 2006

(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2006,13:57   

Quote (breakerslion @ Sep. 25 2006,18:50)
Weird. My reply seems to have posted to the wrong thread. I hereby erase it, since "delete" does not seem to be an option. Just pretend I wasn't here.

It didn't post to the wrong thread at all -- the comment you were responding to was on page 1 of this thread, but since this thread is now 3 pages long, your response posted to page 3.

--------------
"Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

  
ericmurphy



Posts: 2460
Joined: Oct. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2006,14:02   

Quote (The Ghost of Paley @ Sep. 25 2006,18:41)
So it's not like I bail on everything: in fact, I think I've won every political debate I've ever had on this board.

Yes, but AF Dave thinks he's won every debate on this board, too, so that doesn't mean so much.

--------------
2006 MVD award for most dogged defense of scientific sanity

"Atheism is a religion the same way NOT collecting stamps is a hobby." —Scott Adams

  
breakerslion



Posts: 4
Joined: Sep. 2006

(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2006,14:11   

Quote
It didn't post to the wrong thread at all -- the comment you were responding to was on page 1 of this thread, but since this thread is now 3 pages long, your response posted to page 3.


Ah, so it is. You guys have been busy. I hardly recognized the place.

Oh well, here it is:

****

Quote
Surely the question shoudl be:

Which particular flavour of Christianity?


Speaking for myself, I prefer New England style Christianity over Manhattan style. The tomatoes give me heartburn. Oh wait, that's either clam chowder or cannibalism, I forget which.

The various "flavors" of Christianity are diabolically brilliant. Something for everyone, and them that step over the boundries belong to some other guys. Perfect deniability. The gelatinous "core values" are never to blame.

If the Fundies ever do take over, they will probably allow the other denominations to remain. They will do this in order to prevent the non-white (trash) riff raff from having to attend their church by mandate.

****

If you guys are going to argue with crazy people, I humbly offer my services to make the mental stability "Fair and Balanced (r.)", unlike the "Liberal Media".

  
Tracy P. Hamilton



Posts: 1239
Joined: May 2006

(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2006,15:06   

Quote (ericmurphy @ Sep. 25 2006,17:24)

Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 25 2006,17:12)
Half the width of the Atlantic in 40 days?

If you look at the little diagram Dave posted of Dr. Brown's "hydroplate hypothesis," it's apparent that all this continental "drift" (if that's for the word for it) happened in one day. Which on the face of it implies that the Atlantic ocean formed in one day, which means that North America surged away from the Mid-Atlantic Ridge at something like 100 MPH. Or more, if it didn't slam to a stop instantaneously when it ran into—what?—the Pacific Plate? Which seems to have escaped unharmed, given the obvious lack of mountains off the California shoreline (at least I've never seen them, from my vantage point on the California shoreline).


Can anybody calculate the size of the tsunami that would result?  The Flood would pale beside the devastation that would wreak.

--------------
"Following what I just wrote about fitness, you’re taking refuge in what we see in the world."  PaV

"The simple equation F = MA leads to the concept of four-dimensional space." GilDodgen

"We have no brain, I don't, for thinking." Robert Byers

  
The Ghost of Paley



Posts: 1703
Joined: Oct. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2006,15:50   

ericmurphy:
           
Quote
Yes, but AF Dave thinks he's won every debate on this board, too, so that doesn't mean so much.

But has anyone rebutted my stats in the political threads? That's what counts.

........

Let's start with a list:

             
Quote
The  Ten Greatest Mathematicians of All Time   ranked in approximate order of ``greatness.'' To qualify, the mathematician's work must have breadth, depth, and historical importance.

 1. Carl F. Gauss
 2. Sir Isaac Newton
 3. Leonhard Euler
 4. Archimedes  of Syracuse
 5. Euclid  of Alexandria
 6. Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz
 7. Henri Poincaré
 8. Pierre de Fermat
 9. Augustin Cauchy
10. Bernhard Riemann


This covers the entire history of mathematics, and yet what do most of these men have in common? Hint (note that this list is not exhaustive).

Let's look at a few Christian gentlemen:

Leibniz:
       
Quote
11. Influence
Leibniz's mathematics, in parallel to Newton's, made a significant difference in European science of the 18th century. Other than that, however, his contributions as engineer or logician were relatively quickly forgotten and had to later be re-invented elsewhere.

However, Leibniz's metaphysics was highly influential, renewing the Cartesian project of rational metaphysics, and bequeathing a set of problems and approaches that had a huge impact on much of 18th century philosophy. Kant above all would have been unthinkable without Leibniz's philosophy, especially the accounts of space and time, of sufficient reason, of the distinction between phenomenal and metaphysical reality, and his approach to the problem of freedom. Rarely did Kant agree with his great predecessor--indeed, rendering the whole Cartesian/Leibnizian approach conceptually impossible--but the influence was nevertheless necessary. After Kant, Leibniz was more often than not a mine of individual fascinating ideas, rather than a systematic philosopher, ideas appearing (in greatly modified forms) in for example Hegelian idealism, romanticism, and Bergson.

In the 20th century, Leibniz has been widely studied by Anglo-American "analytic" philosophy as a great logician who made significant contributions to, for example, the theory of identity and modal logic. In Continental European philosophy, Leibniz has perhaps been less commonly treated as a great predecessor, although fascinating texts by Heidegger and, much later, by Deleuze, show the continuing fertility of his philosophical ideas.


Descartes:
     
Quote
Descartes was a major figure in 17th century continental rationalism, later advocated by Baruch Spinoza and Gottfried Leibniz, and opposed by the empiricist school of thought, consisting of Hobbes, Locke, Berkeley, and Hume. Leibniz, Spinoza and Descartes were all versed in mathematics as well as philosophy, and Descartes and Leibniz contributed greatly to science as well. As the inventor of the Cartesian coordinate system, Descartes founded analytic geometry, that bridge between algebra and geometry crucial to the invention of the calculus and analysis. Descartes' reflections on mind and mechanism began the strain of western thought that much later, impelled by the invention of the electronic computer and by the possibility of machine intelligence, blossomed into, e.g., the Turing test. His most famous statement is Cogito ergo sum (French: Je pense, donc je suis or in English: I think, therefore I am), found in §7 of Principles of Philosophy (Latin) and part IV of Discourse on Method (French).


Pascal:
 
Quote
Blaise Pascal (June 19, 1623 – August 19, 1662) was a French mathematician, physicist, and religious philosopher. He was a child prodigy who was educated by his father. Pascal's earliest work was in the natural and applied sciences where he made important contributions to the construction of mechanical calculators, the study of fluids, and clarified the concepts of pressure and vacuum by generalizing the work of Evangelista Torricelli. Pascal also wrote powerfully in defense of the scientific method.

He was a mathematician of the first order. Pascal helped create two major new areas of research. He wrote a significant treatise on the subject of projective geometry at the age of sixteen and corresponded with Pierre de Fermat from 1654 on probability theory, strongly influencing the development of modern economics and social science.
[....]
Pascal's development of probability theory was his most influential contribution to mathematics. Originally applied to gambling, today it is extremely important in economics, especially in actuarial science. John Ross writes, "Probability theory and the discoveries following it changed the way we regard uncertainty, risk, decision-making, and an individual's and society's ability to influence the course of future events." [2] However, it should be noted that Pascal and Fermat, though doing important early work in probability theory, did not develop the field very far. Christiaan Huygens, learning of the subject from the correspondence of Pascal and Fermat, wrote the first book on the subject. Later figures who continued the development of the theory include Abraham de Moivre and Pierre-Simon Laplace. [note: Huygens and de Moivre were Huguenots -- Paley]
In literature, Pascal is regarded as one of the most important authors of the French Classical Period and is read today as one of the greatest masters of French prose. His use of satire and wit influenced later polemicists. The content of his literary work is best remembered for its strong opposition to the rationalism of René Descartes and simultaneous assertion that the main countervailing philosophy, empiricism, was also insufficient for determining major truths.


More later, of course.....

--------------
Dey can't 'andle my riddim.

  
Arden Chatfield



Posts: 6657
Joined: Jan. 2006

(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2006,16:25   

Aw, come on, Paley, that's boring! We wanna hear about the plasma flow that angels use to keep the stars shining! You know, something no one else knows!

--------------
"Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

  
  272 replies since Sep. 23 2006,04:31 < Next Oldest | Next Newest >  

Pages: (10) < 1 2 [3] 4 5 6 7 8 ... >   


Track this topic Email this topic Print this topic

[ Read the Board Rules ] | [Useful Links] | [Evolving Designs]