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Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2011,17:15    Quote Missing link discovered between "fungi and the rest of the kingdom of life." Kingdom of life? i thought "kingdom" described groups that are a subset of a domain, as plants, animals, and fungi are each a subset of the Eucaryote domain.

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: May 16 2011,13:03    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/05/110511162538.htm Research shows that highly complex evolutionary adaptations are more difficult (i.e. more rare) to reverse. From the blindingly obvious department, but it's good to see someone putting some numbers on this. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 16 2011,13:12    Quote (OgreMkV @ May 16 2011,13:03) http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/05/110511162538.htm Research shows that highly complex evolutionary adaptations are more difficult (i.e. more rare) to reverse. From the blindingly obvious department, but it's good to see someone putting some numbers on this. Do I get banned for suggesting that this is a possible approach to calculating CSI?  :p -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 16 2011,13:15    BLAST FROM THE PAST!! Orac does DCA Update - DaveScot Still Wrong! DCA Update -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: May 16 2011,14:04    Quote (midwifetoad @ May 16 2011,13:12) Quote (OgreMkV @ May 16 2011,13:03) http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/05/110511162538.htm Research shows that highly complex evolutionary adaptations are more difficult (i.e. more rare) to reverse. From the blindingly obvious department, but it's good to see someone putting some numbers on this. Do I get banned for suggesting that this is a possible approach to calculating CSI?  :p Only at UD.  I've got the paper and will read it when I have time... which unfortunately means sometime in late August probably. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 16 2011,14:19    Quote (J-Dog @ May 16 2011,14:15) BLAST FROM THE PAST!! Orac does DCA Update - DaveScot Still Wrong! :) DCA Update i sure do wish he would chugalug the houseboat over to within reach of a wireless router and chime in.  what the fuck does it take? -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

paragwinn Posts: 539 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 16 2011,14:43    Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,May 16 2011,12:19) Quote (J-Dog @ May 16 2011,14:15) BLAST FROM THE PAST!! Orac does DCA Update - DaveScot Still Wrong! :) DCA Update i sure do wish he would chugalug the houseboat over to within reach of a wireless router and chime in.  what the fuck does it take? Maybe he's off fighting Somali pirates or searching for Capt Jack Sparrow to join his crew. -------------- All women build up a resistance [to male condescension]. Apparently, ID did not predict that. -Kristine 4-19-11 F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11 Sigh. Really Bill? - Barry Arrington

dvunkannon Posts: 1377 Joined: June 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 16 2011,16:48    Quote (paragwinn @ May 16 2011,15:43) Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,May 16 2011,12:19)   Quote (J-Dog @ May 16 2011,14:15) BLAST FROM THE PAST!! Orac does DCA Update - DaveScot Still Wrong! :) DCA Update i sure do wish he would chugalug the houseboat over to within reach of a wireless router and chime in.  what the fuck does it take? Maybe he's off fighting Somali pirates or searching for Capt Jack Sparrow to join his crew. While we're reminiscing about DT and waiting for the Rapture/Zombie Apocalypse... Does anyone know how the owner of the Floating Command Center first hooked up with permanent student and occasional professor, Dr Dr WmAD? Its got to be a story worth telling, especially if it involves the bathroom of the Riesel YMCA during the break in the middle of an AA (Arrogance Anonymous) meeting, a bodily appendage coyly referred to a 'Single Malt', and a Canadian friend introduced as 'Dennis' O'Leary. -------------- I’m referring to evolution, not changes in allele frequencies. - Cornelius Hunter I’m not an evolutionist, I’m a change in allele frequentist! - Nakashima

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 16 2011,19:50    Quote (dvunkannon @ May 16 2011,16:48) Quote (paragwinn @ May 16 2011,15:43) Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,May 16 2011,12:19)   Quote (J-Dog @ May 16 2011,14:15) BLAST FROM THE PAST!! Orac does DCA Update - DaveScot Still Wrong! :) DCA Update i sure do wish he would chugalug the houseboat over to within reach of a wireless router and chime in.  what the fuck does it take? Maybe he's off fighting Somali pirates or searching for Capt Jack Sparrow to join his crew. While we're reminiscing about DT and waiting for the Rapture/Zombie Apocalypse... Does anyone know how the owner of the Floating Command Center first hooked up with permanent student and occasional professor, Dr Dr WmAD? Its got to be a story worth telling, especially if it involves the bathroom of the Riesel YMCA during the break in the middle of an AA (Arrogance Anonymous) meeting, a bodily appendage coyly referred to a 'Single Malt', and a Canadian friend introduced as 'Dennis' O'Leary. Hey!  I can finally say yes to that Buy My Book question! Do I get a deal for pre-ordering?   And something tells me I am right in assuming that the Real True ID Story™ will not be for sale in your basic Church Basement... -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

dvunkannon Posts: 1377 Joined: June 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 16 2011,20:44    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/05/110516080124.htm Gliese 581d habitable! Now we know where the Rapture is going to take all those folks in a few days... Tidally locked, the side facing the sun would be a great place for the Heavenly Throne. The Deity would have this natural backlight for a halo effect. On the other hand, its a red dwarf. Dank, murky atmosphere on one side, eternal darkness and ice on the other, guys named Dante wandering the surface... maybe that's not the Rapture, maybe its.... SATAN! -------------- I’m referring to evolution, not changes in allele frequencies. - Cornelius Hunter I’m not an evolutionist, I’m a change in allele frequentist! - Nakashima

dvunkannon Posts: 1377 Joined: June 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 16 2011,21:29    Quote (J-Dog @ May 16 2011,20:50) Quote (dvunkannon @ May 16 2011,16:48) Quote (paragwinn @ May 16 2011,15:43)   Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,May 16 2011,12:19)     Quote (J-Dog @ May 16 2011,14:15) BLAST FROM THE PAST!! Orac does DCA Update - DaveScot Still Wrong! :) DCA Update i sure do wish he would chugalug the houseboat over to within reach of a wireless router and chime in.  what the fuck does it take? Maybe he's off fighting Somali pirates or searching for Capt Jack Sparrow to join his crew. While we're reminiscing about DT and waiting for the Rapture/Zombie Apocalypse... Does anyone know how the owner of the Floating Command Center first hooked up with permanent student and occasional professor, Dr Dr WmAD? Its got to be a story worth telling, especially if it involves the bathroom of the Riesel YMCA during the break in the middle of an AA (Arrogance Anonymous) meeting, a bodily appendage coyly referred to a 'Single Malt', and a Canadian friend introduced as 'Dennis' O'Leary. Hey!  I can finally say yes to that Buy My Book question! Do I get a deal for pre-ordering?   And something tells me I am right in assuming that the Real True ID Story™ will not be for sale in your basic Church Basement... It is all right here in the Gospel According To Chunkdz, which angels revealed to Sal Cordova during a lucid dream. Written on thin premium latex with ridges for extra sensation, a sample of the Gospel According To Chunkdz: Chapter 3 17 "Davey, you must be the only Marine I've ever met that doesn't know how to hold your liquor. I guess I'm gonna have to give  you a lesson in how to take a shot of Single Malt." 18 The Good Doctor smiled wickedly at his friend Dennis, who was blushing under his beard. "Or if you like blended, we've got some Canadian Club too." 19 Dennis patted his skin tight denims, where he must have been hiding a flask. 20 Davey felt butterflies in his stomach. "Its just because I'm an autodidact. I never had a real professor give me a lesson. Two doctorates, wow, I really look up to you." 21 "Get on your knees, son, and you can look up to me all night long." -------------- I’m referring to evolution, not changes in allele frequencies. - Cornelius Hunter I’m not an evolutionist, I’m a change in allele frequentist! - Nakashima

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 16 2011,21:56    Space Shuttle Endeavour took off this morning! Quote The crew members for space shuttle Endeavour's STS-134 mission are Commander Mark Kelly, Pilot Gregory H. Johnson and Mission Specialists Michael Fincke, Greg Chamitoff, Andrew Feustel and European Space Agency astronaut Roberto Vittori. During the 16-day mission, Endeavour and its crew will deliver the Alpha Magnetic Spectrometer (AMS) and spare parts including two S-band communications antennas, a high-pressure gas tank and additional spare parts for Dextre. Henry

Hermagoras Posts: 1260 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 19 2011,15:17    I, Hermagoras, have published a paper in Science!  Inquiry-Based Writing in the Laboratory Course (with Cary Moskovitz).   Complete with random meme duplication and mutation on the second page.  Compositor error, post-galley-proofs.  We've sent a request for correction. -------------- "I am not currently proving that objective morality is true. I did that a long time ago and you missed it." -- StephenB http://paralepsis.blogspot.com/....pot.com

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 19 2011,15:49    Quote (Hermagoras @ May 19 2011,16:17) I, Hermagoras, have published a paper in Science!  Inquiry-Based Writing in the Laboratory Course (with Cary Moskovitz).   Complete with random meme duplication and mutation on the second page.  Compositor error, post-galley-proofs.  We've sent a request for correction. Hey, congratulations!! -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

dvunkannon Posts: 1377 Joined: June 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 24 2011,06:53    Just discovered this blog: Small Things Considered http://schaechter.asmblog.org/schaechter/ Many cool articles on microbes. -------------- I’m referring to evolution, not changes in allele frequencies. - Cornelius Hunter I’m not an evolutionist, I’m a change in allele frequentist! - Nakashima

fusilier Posts: 252 Joined: Feb. 2003 (Permalink) Posted: May 24 2011,07:33    Quote (Hermagoras @ May 19 2011,16:17) I, Hermagoras, have published a paper in Science!  Inquiry-Based Writing in the Laboratory Course (with Cary Moskovitz).   Complete with random meme duplication and mutation on the second page.  Compositor error, post-galley-proofs.  We've sent a request for correction. Missed this in the run-up to summer semester. Congratulations! (May I hate you now?) -------------- fusilier James 2:24

paragwinn Posts: 539 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 24 2011,22:17    Quote (Hermagoras @ May 19 2011,13:17) I, Hermagoras, have published a paper in Science!  Inquiry-Based Writing in the Laboratory Course (with Cary Moskovitz).   Complete with random meme duplication and mutation on the second page.  Compositor error, post-galley-proofs.  We've sent a request for correction. Congratulations! is it ready for quote-mining? -------------- All women build up a resistance [to male condescension]. Apparently, ID did not predict that. -Kristine 4-19-11 F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11 Sigh. Really Bill? - Barry Arrington

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 25 2011,14:39    Hat Tip Bob O': http://www.guardian.co.uk/science....omments Evolution in action. With mechanisms. Joe G - have fun with this one. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: May 25 2011,15:03    Quote (Richardthughes @ May 25 2011,14:39) Hat Tip Bob O': http://www.guardian.co.uk/science....omments Evolution in action. With mechanisms. Joe G - have fun with this one. Epic.  Joe will only see the word 'may' and suddenly everything is a neofascist attempt to find out where he lives... or something. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

dvunkannon Posts: 1377 Joined: June 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 26 2011,07:04    Electron Surprisingly Spherical http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/05/110525131707.htm Back in the day, when I walked to school uphill both ways, wrote my PDP-8 Basic programs on paper tape and Fortran IV on punched cards, electrons were point particles. You could calculate an interaction probability within a certain cross sectional area, but you didn't imagine that the electron was an object with extension in space. Now the world has gone anti-pear shaped. -------------- I’m referring to evolution, not changes in allele frequencies. - Cornelius Hunter I’m not an evolutionist, I’m a change in allele frequentist! - Nakashima

dvunkannon Posts: 1377 Joined: June 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 26 2011,20:04    Evolution Overturned!! Again!! A giant Ordovician anomalocaridid http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v473/n7348/full/nature09920.html ID... um... predicted this! -------------- I’m referring to evolution, not changes in allele frequencies. - Cornelius Hunter I’m not an evolutionist, I’m a change in allele frequentist! - Nakashima

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: May 26 2011,21:46    Quote (dvunkannon @ May 26 2011,20:04) Evolution Overturned!! Again!! A giant Ordovician anomalocaridid http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v473/n7348/full/nature09920.html ID... um... predicted this! Oh... My... God. You've got to be fucking kidding me.  A giant Ordivician anomalocaridid!!!  Holy Crap!!! ummm... what's an anomalocaridid? -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 26 2011,22:26    If electrons are spherical, what about neutrinos and quarks? Does that also apply to them? I know they're sometimes described as point particles, but then I also recall reading about collisions, which strike me as unlikely for things with zero size and with no net attractive force between them. Henry

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 26 2011,22:26    Quote (OgreMkV @ May 26 2011,21:46)   Quote (dvunkannon @ May 26 2011,20:04) Evolution Overturned!! Again!! A giant Ordovician anomalocaridid http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v473/n7348/full/nature09920.html ID... um... predicted this! Oh... My... God. You've got to be fucking kidding me.  A giant Ordivician anomalocaridid!!!  Holy Crap!!! ummm... what's an anomalocaridid? Big assed shrimp-like thingie Now where's the cocktail sauce? -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

paragwinn Posts: 539 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 26 2011,23:00    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ May 26 2011,20:26)   Quote (OgreMkV @ May 26 2011,21:46)     Quote (dvunkannon @ May 26 2011,20:04) Evolution Overturned!! Again!! A giant Ordovician anomalocaridid http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v473/n7348/full/nature09920.html ID... um... predicted this! Oh... My... God. You've got to be fucking kidding me.  A giant Ordivician anomalocaridid!!!  Holy Crap!!! ummm... what's an anomalocaridid? Big assed shrimp-like thingie Now where's the cocktail sauce? According to the Editor's Summary:   Quote One of the Ordovician anomalocaridids was a metre or so in length, ... That's 3.281 feet (for the diametrically opposed) -------------- All women build up a resistance [to male condescension]. Apparently, ID did not predict that. -Kristine 4-19-11 F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11 Sigh. Really Bill? - Barry Arrington

dvunkannon Posts: 1377 Joined: June 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 27 2011,12:45    Deciphering the splicing code http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v465/n7294/full/nature09000.html It's not a "code", but we're now stuck with the word, just as we're stuck with -ome. Since the simplicity and near optimality of the genetic code is proof of its Intelligent Design, the complexity and messiness of the 'splicing code' must be proof of... Intelligent Design! -------------- I’m referring to evolution, not changes in allele frequencies. - Cornelius Hunter I’m not an evolutionist, I’m a change in allele frequentist! - Nakashima

dvunkannon Posts: 1377 Joined: June 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 27 2011,14:47    Currently reading Carl Zimmer's E.coli book. Wonderful as would be expected. He mentions that bacteria maintain a high internal pressure, which he credits with helping chemical reactions proceed more quickly. However, it also forces bacteria to wear a corset, and if this is pierced, they explode. On the web, I saw the actual internal pressure quoted as 3-5 atmospheres. Here's a hypothesis - the internal pressure of bacteria is approximately the atmospheric pressure under which they evolved. If so, the corset evolved later as a way to maintain high pressure and chemical activity, even as atmospheric pressure dropped (due to CO2 being used by life and then sequestered, etc.). Sort of like how people argue that blood is the salinity of the ocean. What think you? -------------- I’m referring to evolution, not changes in allele frequencies. - Cornelius Hunter I’m not an evolutionist, I’m a change in allele frequentist! - Nakashima

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 27 2011,16:05    Quote (dvunkannon @ May 27 2011,12:47) Currently reading Carl Zimmer's E.coli book. Wonderful as would be expected. He mentions that bacteria maintain a high internal pressure, which he credits with helping chemical reactions proceed more quickly. However, it also forces bacteria to wear a corset, and if this is pierced, they explode. On the web, I saw the actual internal pressure quoted as 3-5 atmospheres. Here's a hypothesis - the internal pressure of bacteria is approximately the atmospheric pressure under which they evolved. If so, the corset evolved later as a way to maintain high pressure and chemical activity, even as atmospheric pressure dropped (due to CO2 being used by life and then sequestered, etc.). Sort of like how people argue that blood is the salinity of the ocean. What think you? Or they developed in water 20-30 meters deep. -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

noncarborundum Posts: 320 Joined: Jan. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: May 27 2011,16:08    Quote (dvunkannon @ May 27 2011,14:47) Currently reading Carl Zimmer's E.coli book. Wonderful as would be expected. He mentions that bacteria maintain a high internal pressure, which he credits with helping chemical reactions proceed more quickly. However, it also forces bacteria to wear a corset, and if this is pierced, they explode. On the web, I saw the actual internal pressure quoted as 3-5 atmospheres. Here's a hypothesis - the internal pressure of bacteria is approximately the atmospheric pressure under which they evolved. If so, the corset evolved later as a way to maintain high pressure and chemical activity, even as atmospheric pressure dropped (due to CO2 being used by life and then sequestered, etc.). Sort of like how people argue that blood is the salinity of the ocean. What think you? I plan to keep an eye on this. -------------- "The . . . um . . . okay, I was genetically selected for blue eyes.  I know there are brown eyes, because I've observed them, but I can't do it.  Okay?  So . . . um . . . coz that's real genetic selection, not the nonsense Giberson and the others are talking about." - DO'L

Schroedinger's Dog Posts: 1692 Joined: Jan. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: May 27 2011,16:12    Quote Currently reading Carl Zimmer's E.coli book. Wonderful as would be expected. Because nothing spells "wonderful" like potentially deadly bacterias living in one's colon. Aaaah, the poetry of science! :) ETA: I'm not talking about Joe G here. Or Luskin... -------------- "Hail is made out of water? Are you really that stupid?" Joe G "I have a better suggestion, Kris. How about a game of hide and go fuck yourself instead." Louis "The reason people use a crucifix against vampires is that vampires are allergic to bullshit" Richard Pryor

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