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GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: April 24 2016,17:32   

Quote (N.Wells @ April 24 2016,17:13)
 
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To simplify things the operative words to look for are in the phrase "evolution by natural selection". If the word "selection" appears just once then it is the same old "evolution by natural selection" theory, with just another face-lift to make it seem like it's something brand new when it's really not.

Now study this:


With all considered, what I honestly see is a "selection" based mess that when programmed will result in the creation of a new Rube Goldberg machine.

Look at it again:

Sure, here is another giveaway in the paragraph that appears above the tiny illustration:
 
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What is the extended evolutionary synthesis?

The extended evolutionary synthesis (EES) is new a way to think about and understand evolutionary phenomena that differs from the conception that has dominated evolutionary thinking since the 1930s (i.e., the modern synthesis). The EES does not replace traditional thinking, but rather can be deployed alongside it to stimulate research in evolutionary biology. It stands out in its emphasis on the role of developmental processes, which share with natural selection responsibility for the direction and rate of evolution, the diversity of life, and the process of adaptation. For example, the EES emphasizes that phenotypic variation is not random, that there is more to inheritance than genes, and that there are multiple routes to the adaptive fit between organisms and environments.



synergy.st-andrews.ac.uk/ees/files/2016/01/image003.gif

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(Permalink) Posted: April 24 2016,17:39   

Cut to the chase -- what, specifically, is wrong with selection?
Why is it okay in your "theory", where it's described but not named 'selection', but not okay in actual bioscience?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 24 2016,18:02   

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List some of these 'fascinating predictions'.

I've finally translated his writings from the original Gaulinois.  
The key prediction of his "theory" is that his "theory" is correct.  The proof that it is correct is that it predicts that it is correct.  (Everything else is beneath notice.)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 24 2016,18:16   

Quote (N.Wells @ April 24 2016,19:02)
Quote (Woodbine @ April 23 2016,15:48)
List some of these 'fascinating predictions'.

I've finally translated his writings from the original Gaulinois.  His theory's key prediction is that his theory is correct.  The proof that it correct is that it predicts that it is correct.  (Everything else is beneath notice.)

Seems about right.
Lord knows he's incapable of articulating it.
His approach is reminiscent of the old Calvin and Hobbes cartoon wherein Calvin uses the directive "using your own words, explain ...".  He chuckles madly, writes gibberish, and exclaims something like "I love a good out!"

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 24 2016,18:19   

Quote (NoName @ April 24 2016,17:39)
Cut to the chase -- what, specifically, is wrong with selection?


"Selection" is a fuzzy generalization that when used as a program variable is like throwing a spanner/wrench into the gears of a fast moving machine, just because Charles Darwin said it needs to be thrown in. It at best results in the creation of amusing Rube Goldberg machine.

Quote (NoName @ April 24 2016,17:39)
Why is it okay in your "theory", where it's described but not named 'selection', but not okay in actual bioscience?

That's dishonesty, and you should know it.

A model that has the basics right will fit into any virtual environment or game engine, without needing to fart around with useless selection variables that are so ambiguous even the best of scientists regularly argue over what is and what is not selection, drift, etc.. If an asteroid caused the environment to change then the modeler programs in a virtual asteroid, and that's it. Playing around with "selection" variables is a total waste of time, and lots of money.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 24 2016,18:33   

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Quote (NoName @ April 24 2016,17:39)
Cut to the chase -- what, specifically, is wrong with selection?


"Selection" is a fuzzy generalization that when used as a program variable is like throwing a spanner/wrench into the gears of a fast moving machine, just because Charles Darwin said it needs to be thrown in. It at best results in the creation of amusing Rube Goldberg machine.

Yup, you don't understand it, at all.  Nor do you understand 'generalization'.  Nor variables and modeling, based on the preceding remarks.

     
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Why is it okay in your "theory", where it's described but not named 'selection', but not okay in actual bioscience?

That's dishonesty, and you should know it.

The hell it is.  Your entire confidence-evaluation/guess cycle, or more precisely the decision to guess or not to guess, is selection.  It is also intelligence at work, thus invalidating your claim that you've explained intelligence.  It's viciously circular, not explanatory.
Unquestionably, demonstrably.

 
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A model that has the basics right will fit into any virtual environment or game engine, without needing to fart around with useless selection variables that are so ambiguous even the best of scientists regularly argue over what is and what is not selection, drift, etc.. If an asteroid caused the environment to change then the modeler programs in a virtual asteroid, and that's it. Playing around with "selection" variables is a total waste of time, and lots of money.

Your tragic computationally-focused fixation is serving you badly.  
'Selection' would not be properly modeled as a variable.
Genetic drift is not a form of selection.
And so on.  You really need to learn and understand the theory you are rejecting.  Being able to parrot carefully selected, but always misunderstood, scientific papers and remarks made by scientists is not enough.
But it's all you appear to have.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 24 2016,18:37   

Let's recap.  The Third Way (EES) people who wrote the paragraph and the diagram spent most of their effort and most of their words emphasizing how their concept goes beyond natural selection and differs from it.  Templeton gave them millions of dollars because they too believed that the concept goes beyond selection.  Moran and Coyne, who don't like the grant, argue that the EES people mischaracterize evolutionary theory as consisting primarily of natural selection.  They also agree that most of the EES is not selection, but they think that the non-selection parts are not new.  Nonetheless, you claim that it is all "same old same old" selection. I note that you are overly focussed on the word "selection" and are ignoring all the rest of it.  You respond by citing a whole bunch of stuff besides selection, and refocussing on the word "selection", in the middle of a sentence that is explaining how their concept goes beyond selection:

 
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Sure, here is another giveaway in the paragraph that appears above the tiny illustration:
 
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The extended evolutionary synthesis (EES) is new a way to think about and understand evolutionary phenomena that differs from the conception that has dominated evolutionary thinking since the 1930s (i.e., the modern synthesis). The EES does not replace traditional thinking, but rather can be deployed alongside it to stimulate research in evolutionary biology. It stands out in its emphasis on the role of developmental processes, which share with natural selection responsibility for the direction and rate of evolution, the diversity of life, and the process of adaptation. For example, the EES emphasizes that phenotypic variation is not random, that there is more to inheritance than genes, and that there are multiple routes to the adaptive fit between organisms and environments.


And yet you don't see that you have a problem.

Quote (GaryGaulin @ April 24 2016,18:19)
 
Quote (NoName @ April 24 2016,17:39)
Cut to the chase -- what, specifically, is wrong with selection?


"Selection" is a fuzzy generalization that when used as a program variable is like throwing a spanner/wrench into the gears of a fast moving machine, just because Charles Darwin said it needs to be thrown in. It at best results in the creation of amusing Rube Goldberg machine.


Selection is well conceptualized, and is well documented in field studies, lab experiments, and mathematical models.  It can indeed be difficult to separate it from other factors in complex natural situations, but that is because nature is complicated, not because selection is a fuzzy concept.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 24 2016,19:30   

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Selection is well conceptualized, and is well documented in field studies, lab experiments, and mathematical models.

That's nice. Let me know when ya'll are able to program each and every level of behavior in biology, and can unambiguously qualify behavior as intelligent or not using the exact same very simple algorithm that works for modeling any (intelligent or not) behavior in the universe.

Throwing millions of dollars at a time at the Darwinian boondoggles is a scientific disgrace that has me steaming mad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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(Permalink) Posted: April 24 2016,19:38   

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Quote (N.Wells @ April 24 2016,18:37)
Selection is well conceptualized, and is well documented in field studies, lab experiments, and mathematical models.

That's nice. Let me know when ya'll are able to program each and every level of behavior in biology, and can unambiguously qualify behavior as intelligent or not using the exact same very simple algorithm that works for modeling any (intelligent or not) behavior in the universe.

Throwing millions of dollars at a time at the Darwinian boondoggles is a scientific disgrace that has me steaming mad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hah.
You can't even spell out an operational definition for 'intelligent'.  IOW, you don't know what you're talking about.

Tell us about 'molecular intelligence'.  How do molecules learn?  How about rocks?  Rocks are made up of molecules.  Why is a dog counted as intelligent but a rock isn't, given the existence of 'molecular intelligence'?
What's the difference between 'intelligent' molecules and the other kind?  How do you know?  How do we test a molecule for 'intelligence'?

You've got 2 or 3 pages of hard questions you're avoiding. Neo I need to go back and point them out for you?

Gods, you're pathetic.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 24 2016,19:48   

To go way back to the early days of this thread, in the following list, which is the most intelligent, which is the least intelligent, and by how much do those two differ from the average intelligence value for the group: a mushroom, an oak tree, a full set of chromosomes for one Allium cepa individual, and an amoeba?

 
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Throwing millions of dollars at a time at the Darwinian boondoggles is a scientific disgrace that has me steaming mad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It cannot be a "Darwinian boondoggle" if the boondogglers got the money by claiming to overthrow Darwinian ideas.

 
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That's nice. Let me know when ya'll are able to program each and every level of behavior in biology, and can unambiguously qualify behavior as intelligent or not

Of course, we cannot yet do anything like that.  Nonetheless, scientists are farther ahead when they acknowledge what they do not know rather rather than being lost in the midst of confusion while pretending that they have the answer, as you are doing.

 
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using the exact same very simple algorithm that works for modeling any (intelligent or not) behavior in the universe.

WHAT are you babbling on about? No simple algorithm will ever be able to program each and every level of behavior in the universe, nor would one be expected to.  In particular, you have yet to demonstrate that yours actually models anything that exists in reality.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 24 2016,20:22   

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To go way back to the early days of this thread, which is the most intelligent, which is the least intelligent, and by how much relative to the average value: a mushroom, an oak tree, a full set of chromosomes for one Allium cepa individual, and an amoeba?

I already gave you the information needed for you to figure it out for yourself. But it's still like asking what is more intelligent: IBM Watson that won the Jeopardy quiz show, the contestants Watson beat, or you. No matter which answer you give it's all relative to the kind of intelligence that it is, and I'm happy to let you endlessly argue with each over who or what is the most intelligent. If you want to use learning speed, retention, and amount of information it has memorized as the criteria then the most intelligent thing on this planet is an electronic machine.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 24 2016,20:36   



9/10

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 24 2016,21:02   

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using the exact same very simple algorithm that works for modeling any (intelligent or not) behavior in the universe.

WHAT are you babbling on about? No simple algorithm will ever be able to program each and every level of behavior in the universe, nor would one be expected to.  In particular, you have yet to demonstrate that yours actually models anything that exists in reality.

After billions of dollars of diddling around with Evolutionary Algorithms and other Darwinian junk none in academia can even model how "intelligence evolved". Just get a whole lot of hand-waving about how natural selection and mutation/variation did it, but you cannot even programmatically demonstrate a damn thing about the origin of biological intelligence.  

I'm not impressed by your brainless Darwinian toys that I grew bored of right after programming my own. It's unbelievable that career scientists would even bother with EA's and GA's, but I guess that's what happens when all the hype makes them seem like an explain-all. None know any better.

You are the one who has have yet to demonstrate that yours actually models anything that exists in reality.

And I have to get away from this forum for a while before I go insane.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 24 2016,21:14   

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To go way back to the early days of this thread, which is the most intelligent, which is the least intelligent, and by how much relative to the average value: a mushroom, an oak tree, a full set of chromosomes for one Allium cepa individual, and an amoeba?

I already gave you the information needed for you to figure it out for yourself. But it's still like asking what is more intelligent: IBM Watson that won the Jeopardy quiz show, the contestants Watson beat, or you. No matter which answer you give it's all relative to the kind of intelligence that it is, and I'm happy to let you endlessly argue with each over who or what is the most intelligent. If you want to use learning speed, retention, and amount of information it has memorized as the criteria then the most intelligent thing on this planet is an electronic machine.

No, you haven't.  You have yet to provide an operational definition for intelligence.

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You are the one who has have yet to demonstrate that yours actually models anything that exists in reality.

And I have to get away from this forum for a while before I go insane.

It's clearly too late.

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I'm not impressed by your brainless Darwinian toys that I grew bored of right after programming my own.
I didn't realize that you considered your own brainless toy to be Darwinian.  :)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 24 2016,21:17   

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And I have to get away from this forum for a while before I go insane.

Too late.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 24 2016,23:51   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ April 24 2016,23:07)
Avida-ED is pretty close to going to a web application. Currently in alpha test, the new version presents the familiar user interface in your browser. This is made possible by applying the Emscripten compiler to turn the Avida core into a Javascript library. It should be generally available sometime in mid-June.

How much money did the US taxpayers pay for this shit?

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2016,00:39   

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Avida-ED is pretty close to going to a web application. Currently in alpha test, the new version presents the familiar user interface in your browser. This is made possible by applying the Emscripten compiler to turn the Avida core into a Javascript library. It should be generally available sometime in mid-June.

How much money did the US taxpayers pay for this shit?

Until you do the standard stuff that we've been talking about, your program will remain for all intents and purposes totally useless.

Bitching and throwing hissy fits won't help.  You can call me a bully, you can complain about my opinions, and you can belittle other programs, but a) none of that is relevant to your program's shortcomings, and b) everyone knows your record of wrong-headed assertions and blatant errors of fact, so your claims count for very little.

Avida, in contrast to your stuff, actually does something interesting and worthwhile and is scientifically useful.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2016,01:39   

This is a link to Wesley's above comment, which is from another thread in this forum:
www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=14;t=6034;st=360#entry252276

I think that what is happening here should now be obvious.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2016,02:27   

So, no answers to any of the relevant questions posed to you,Gaulin. Just rhetoric with ad homs, noted.

Now answer the questions about your "molecular intelligence" that you have avoided for pages. If this is your first premise in your "theory" and you can't provide the evidence then the rest of your bullshit isn't worth the time to refute.

Come on stop the deflections and defend your theory or admit it is garbage.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2016,02:51   

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Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ April 24 2016,23:07)
Avida-ED is pretty close to going to a web application. Currently in alpha test, the new version presents the familiar user interface in your browser. This is made possible by applying the Emscripten compiler to turn the Avida core into a Javascript library. It should be generally available sometime in mid-June.

How much money did the US taxpayers pay for this shit?

Don't worry Gary none of YOUR tax money goes to it since you don't make any money you don't pay any taxes.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2016,05:58   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ April 24 2016,23:51)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ April 24 2016,23:07)
Avida-ED is pretty close to going to a web application. Currently in alpha test, the new version presents the familiar user interface in your browser. This is made possible by applying the Emscripten compiler to turn the Avida core into a Javascript library. It should be generally available sometime in mid-June.

How much money did the US taxpayers pay for this shit?

The Planet Source Code stuff that follows your question? None that I know of, but you are best positioned to answer your own question.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2016,06:10   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ April 24 2016,22:02)
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I'm not impressed by your brainless Darwinian toys that I grew bored of right after programming my own. It's unbelievable that career scientists would even bother with EA's and GA's, but I guess that's what happens when all the hype makes them seem like an explain-all. None know any better.

Your ignorance is as profound as your unwarranted arrogance.
EAs and GAs have been astounding fruitful in terms of producing things of great value.  Antennae as used by cellphones are just one example.  GAs are terrific tools for solving certain kinds of problems.  Their use has been profitable.
The same cannot be said about your work.  What actual economic value has it produced?  None.  None at all.
In fact, is is of negative economic value -- it is solely a cost, an unrecovered and unrecoverable cost.
I dare say you've received far more in public benefits than the public would care to waste on you. The monies that have been provided by industry to coders of GAs has been repaid many-fold.  The public investment in you has been a complete waste.  Just for one little example.

   
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You are the one who has have yet to demonstrate that yours actually models anything that exists in reality.

Now that is dishonest and you know it.
As is your standard, it is also malformed -- "yours" is hanging without antecedent or object.  If you mean by it evolution, then you are wildly wrong.  It models the actual reality of the change over time in biological individuals, species, genera, etc.  It is not complete, nor is it perfect, but nor is physics.  Incompleteness is not a flaw.  Nullity is a flaw, and a nullity is all you have.

But note well.  We are not required to demonstrate even the existence, let alone the accuracy or success, of any model of any aspect of reality.  
You are the one making the grandiose claims.  You are the one who has conspicuously failed to demonstrate that you have a model that is either based on or reflects reality in any way whatsoever.
We know that creatures do not produce an exhaustive spatial model of their vicinity as a prerequisite to moving within space.
We know that memory is neither written nor read directly from sensory experience.
We know, and have proven, trivially, that at best your "theory" is circular, viciously circular, and thus invalid.

We ask you again -- what decisions do molecules, as such, make?  Rocks do not guess.  Yet somehow in your effluent you insist that molecules are 'intelligent', which you require must include making guesses.  Why do molecules count as 'intelligent' but rocks do not?

You have not even begun to address 'the hard problem of consciousness'.  You probably don't even know what it is.
You have not addressed the problem of emergence.  You have swept it under the rug, defined it out of the problem space by asserting 'intelligence' at all levels from the "lowest" to the "highest".
Yet emergence is a genuine problem, across a wider scope than just biology.  But it is an absolutely critical problem in  biology.  How does chemistry become biology?  You can't solve the problem by asserting pan-vitalism.  How does biology become intelligent?  You can't solve the problem by asserting 'pan-cognition'.  Yet that is all you have done, and you have done so by inserting a vicious circularity in your "theory".
Your "theory" ignores the problem and would be incapable of addressing it were it to try.

 
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And I have to get away from this forum for a while before I go insane.

As others have already noted, too late.
It wasn't this forum that drove you insane.
You walked there all on your own, along god only knows what route.  But it pretty clearly started from a basis of stupidity and arrogance.
You were quite clearly insane the moment you appeared here.  You were quite clearly insane when you first appeared on the internet.  And you have demonstrated both appalling stupidity and appalling arrogance throughout your time on-line.

Your "theory" today suffers all the same flaws as it did when you began.
N.Wells seems to have perfectly captured your delusion -- your "theory" predicts that it is correct, you consider it to be correct, therefore prediction fulfilled.  It is correct, and because it has a correct prediction, it must be a theory.  No further explanation or effort required.
That is insane, stupid, arrogant, and deeply contemptible.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2016,06:27   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ April 25 2016,05:58)
 
Quote (GaryGaulin @ April 24 2016,23:51)
 
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ April 24 2016,23:07)
Avida-ED is pretty close to going to a web application. Currently in alpha test, the new version presents the familiar user interface in your browser. This is made possible by applying the Emscripten compiler to turn the Avida core into a Javascript library. It should be generally available sometime in mid-June.

How much money did the US taxpayers pay for this shit?

The Planet Source Code stuff that follows your question? None that I know of, but you are best positioned to answer your own question.


We can at least start here:

nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward?AWD_ID=0219229&HistoricalAwards=false
$354,722.00

www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward?AWD_ID=0341484
$279,973.00

www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward?AWD_ID=1432563
$2,240,307.00

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2016,06:54   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ April 25 2016,07:27)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ April 25 2016,05:58)
 
Quote (GaryGaulin @ April 24 2016,23:51)
   
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ April 24 2016,23:07)
Avida-ED is pretty close to going to a web application. Currently in alpha test, the new version presents the familiar user interface in your browser. This is made possible by applying the Emscripten compiler to turn the Avida core into a Javascript library. It should be generally available sometime in mid-June.

How much money did the US taxpayers pay for this shit?

The Planet Source Code stuff that follows your question? None that I know of, but you are best positioned to answer your own question.


We can at least start here:

nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward?AWD_ID=0219229&HistoricalAwards=false
$354,722.00

www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward?AWD_ID=0341484
$279,973.00

www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward?AWD_ID=1432563
$2,240,307.00

Still failing at reading for comprehension.
We all see it, we all know why you're doing it.

Your software is not a model of anything.
Insofar as it can solve a problem, its solutions are more likely to be inapplicable to the problem of how it happens in living intelligence than not.
Remember the example for probably a couple of hundred pages ago?  Just because we can use calculus to determine the path and eventual point of the hit baseball does not mean that the outfielder who catches the ball used calculus to position his body and glove so that he might catch the ball.
We know this just as much as we know that the underlying structure your software critter uses does not apply in the real world.  Evolution can even explain why.
You can't, because you don't have a clue.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 26 2016,18:19   

Denyse O'Leary found a very useful paper. It's closed access, but the given information is consistent with how the navigational network in the latest ID Lab works:
www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/electrically-silent-source-starts-brain-waves/

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(Permalink) Posted: April 26 2016,20:21   

And for the entertainment portion of this broadcast:

THAT WAS THEN,
Groovie Movie (1944). Funny jitterbug instructional video.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbaNYWkQYYA

AND THIS IS NOW:
Wham! - Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go*
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIgZ7gMze7A
www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD4sMiJgyv0

* Official at Work Source

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(Permalink) Posted: April 26 2016,20:43   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ April 26 2016,21:21)
And for the entertainment portion of this broadcast:

THAT WAS THEN,
Groovie Movie (1944). Funny jitterbug instructional video.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbaNYWkQYYA

AND THIS IS NOW:
Wham! - Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go*
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIgZ7gMze7A
www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD4sMiJgyv0

* Official at Work Source

Well, I see your view of what counts as 'now' is as outdated as your computationalist conception of cognitive science.

Guess better.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 26 2016,23:08   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ April 26 2016,18:21)
And for the entertainment portion of this broadcast:

THAT WAS THEN,
Groovie Movie (1944). Funny jitterbug instructional video.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbaNYWkQYYA

AND THIS IS NOW:
Wham! - Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go*
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIgZ7gMze7A
www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD4sMiJgyv0

* Official at Work Source

"Yes, that's a very funny face, Charly." -- Alice.

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"[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory

"Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: April 27 2016,17:21   

Quote (fnxtr @ April 26 2016,23:08)
 
Quote (GaryGaulin @ April 26 2016,18:21)
And for the entertainment portion of this broadcast:

THAT WAS THEN,
Groovie Movie (1944). Funny jitterbug instructional video.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbaNYWkQYYA

AND THIS IS NOW:
Wham! - Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go*
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIgZ7gMze7A
www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD4sMiJgyv0

* Official at Work Source

"Yes, that's a very funny face, Charly." -- Alice.

Syfy Alice - Hatter & Charlie - You've Got A Friend In Me?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv8KoXTXBPA

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The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.

   
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: April 27 2016,17:28   

Quote (k.e.. @ April 25 2016,02:51)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ April 25 2016,07:51)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ April 24 2016,23:07)
Avida-ED is pretty close to going to a web application. Currently in alpha test, the new version presents the familiar user interface in your browser. This is made possible by applying the Emscripten compiler to turn the Avida core into a Javascript library. It should be generally available sometime in mid-June.

How much money did the US taxpayers pay for this shit?

Don't worry Gary none of YOUR tax money goes to it since you don't make any money you don't pay any taxes.

P!nk - Get The Party Started
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....biD_zDk

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The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.

   
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