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The Ghost of Paley



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2006,14:50   

c.b.:

   
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1) has been shown quite simply through Stern-Gerlack (sp?) experiments. The question of causality and violations of relativity are resolved in noting that while the quantum information may have happened instantaneously, the experimenters still need to "compare notes" and to do that does not violate relativity.


Are you sure about this? If so, then why are quantum cryptographers trying to account for the possibility of a non-local hidden variables theory? Sounds like a waste of funding -- perhaps the spooks have a few "slush funds" of their own?  :D

   
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2) the fact that you're attributing non-localized interactions to localized scenarios, means that you're adding information locally, which is the entire basis for the hidden variable theorem. In addition, you're going to have a hard time justifying the use of additional space to Hilbert space without some experimental evidence (evolution outside of Hilbert space).


Remember that no problem exists so long as the quantum information potential decreases when the kinetic energy increases. The total energy remains the same, like a frictionless pendulum. Think of Bohm particles or even the Führungsfeld (yeah, that's a pretentious term but it's sorta catchy), both of which tranfer information between local subsystems. Notice how the "R" variable in the quantum potential expression corresponds with Shannon informational entropy; this is no coincidence. In fact, it's eerie how my ideas are retracing Bohm's hypothesis, since I'm not cribbing from anyone.

More later.

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ericmurphy



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2006,20:42   

Given that "later" is already past (it's Tuesday in Georgia), don't you think it's time to start dealing with my observations I initially posted almost ten months ago, Bill? You said last week you'd start addressing them Monday, as I recall. What's the hold-up?

Also, I should warn you: it's your hypothesis that needs defending, not mine. I'm not going to spend any time scrounging around for evidence to support the standard cosmological and astrophysical models. You're not going to get any further trying to "refute" confirmed observations than AF Dave has gotten with his. As I said earlier, the observations are what they are. Your model needs to account for them at least as well as the standard models do, or your model will necessarily be judged a failure. If that means you have to develop an entirely new model of e.g. stellar evolution from scratch, well, so be it. No one (least of all me) said this would be easy.

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creeky belly



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2006,21:54   

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Remember that no problem exists so long as the quantum information potential decreases when the kinetic energy increases. The total energy remains the same, like a frictionless pendulum. Think of Bohm particles or even the Führungsfeld (yeah, that's a pretentious term but it's sorta catchy), both of which tranfer information between local subsystems. Notice how the "R" variable in the quantum potential expression corresponds with Shannon informational entropy; this is no coincidence. In fact, it's eerie how my ideas are retracing Bohm's hypothesis, since I'm not cribbing from anyone.

You're talking exactly about the propagation of probability current, well understood within the confines of QM.

I would say that quantum cryptography works pretty well on its own, locality or no. It is a lucrative field, however, since there does not seems to be a real way to crack it.

In the long run, these points are all moot if you use any massive objects, which are well understood within the language of GR. This also does not address any of the fundamental problems with a geocentric universe. I will defer to Eric's posts for now, since conflicts within quantum mechanics really have little to do with the phenomenon you need to address.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 05 2006,12:21   

Fraud.

Oops, did I just put GoP's utter failure to (even really try to) substantiate his geocentric BS back on the front page again?

Sorry.

Fraud.

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The Ghost of Paley



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2006,09:04   

I might as well beat Occam's Toothbrush to the punch.....

I am a lazy, lazy, man.

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Stephen Elliott



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2006,09:34   

Quote (The Ghost of Paley @ Sep. 14 2006,14:04)
I might as well beat Occam's Toothbrush to the punch.....

I am a lazy, lazy, man.

I would have more respect for you if you admitted you was wrong rather than lazy.

It is very hard for me to think that you believe this nonsense!

If you are serious, you must be an idiot.

  
MrsPeng



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2006,08:53   

[delurk]
Paley has posted about 100 times per month and he STILL hasn't provided a shred of evidence for any of his cockamamie ideas.
You guys with the brains to do the debunking are pretty darn cool.
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