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Alan Fox



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2009,16:52   

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Nice to see I'm not in the subset of 'Guys'.
I see I phrased that badly. :(

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2009,16:54   

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Clive Hayden

03/13/2009

4:38 pm
Arthur,

From reading the comments by Bob O’H on the other thread, he should not be re-instated. This should be obvious to anyone with a modicum of decency.


http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-307692

Clive Hayden, part time miss manners, full time reality denier.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2009,16:57   

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Barry Arrington: As a general rule, so long as your comment is not defamatory profane, or a vicious personal attack, you can say pretty much what you want.

... uuuuuuuuuuuuu ...

This Has Been a Test, And Only a Test, Of The Uncommon Descent Comment System. If this had been a real change in policy, this comment would have already appeared.

{xposted to Uncommon Descent}

My comment hasn't shown yet ... Does this count as a bannination?

Hmm. 'Zachriel, Four time banninated by Uncommon Descent.'

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olegt



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2009,17:04   

Sig-worthy, from Upright Biped:  
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R0b,

You spit in the face of people who work to provide you the society you count on - while following the elitist idea that (S)cience is simply smarter than the guy who plows the corn you eat, as well as the one who drives the bread truck and climbs the telephone pole.

“I trust science more than common sense”

The fact is: its a twisted ideological fallacy. It was common sense that gave you relativity, plate techntonics, Newtonian mechanics, AND EVERY OTHER SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY EVER MADE.


Bonus tard: Common Sense Science.  Denies quantum mechanics and Einstein's relativity.

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Alan Fox



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2009,17:05   

George is still giving Gordon a bashing!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2009,17:15   

And a Schooner of new for all my hard work as KF over the years

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2009,17:19   

Quote (Alan Fox @ Mar. 13 2009,17:05)
George is still giving Gordon a bashing!

I heart George:

 
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   read and weep, GLF, then break off “the chains of mental slavery” and — by God’s grace — turn towards the true light of day:

Don’t you mean “by the designers grace?


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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2009,17:19   

Quote (Alan Fox @ Mar. 13 2009,16:52)
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Nice to see I'm not in the subset of 'Guys'.
I see I phrased that badly. :(

Perhaps, but nonetheless accurately.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2009,17:20   

Quote (AmandaHuginKiss @ Mar. 14 2009,10:15)
And a Schooner of new for all my hard work as KF over the years

Damn, I was answering a post way up on the previous page. Where did all the in between comments come from?

  
k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2009,17:23   

Quote (AmandaHuginKiss @ Mar. 14 2009,01:20)
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And a Schooner of new for all my hard work as KF over the years

Oh so you're the one who put tinny* in inanity

*Strine for can of beer

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2009,17:37   

Quote (AmandaHuginKiss @ Mar. 13 2009,16:20)
Quote (AmandaHuginKiss @ Mar. 14 2009,10:15)
And a Schooner of new for all my hard work as KF over the years

Damn, I was answering a post way up on the previous page. Where did all the in between comments come from?

They evolved. :p

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2009,20:45   

transitional comments just adds many more gaps for the trolls to hide in.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2009,20:48   

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It was common sense that gave you relativity, plate techntonics, Newtonian mechanics, AND EVERY OTHER SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY EVER MADE.


Man o man Let me get this straight every scientific discovery ever made is common sense and every discovery including published peer reviewed evolution papers support ID.

Now I understand why they get so upset, when Scientist get to thinking they can come to a consensus on how things work.
That should be left to the man in the street. Book learning isn't what it's cracked up to be is it Upright Biped. I wish to submit that to prove Bipeds contention one only need to look at Einstein, he did all his good thinking while he had a honest job as a clerk. Once he got into being a Scientist that's when it all started to go wrong.

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KenGee



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2009,20:53   

By the way I'm still banned from UD. All I did was provide a link on one of Grannies sad posts about the mind.

Tried posting this reply to AussieID silly post on grannies all evilutionist are racist too thread.

AussieID  thank you for your post, however I must point out as a so called "half cast" myself, I am quite familiar with the churches role in the stolen generations. For those not fortune enough to be Australians this was the practice of taking aboriginal children (mainly half casts) away from their black families and given to white ones. This was to try and breed out as Kooris.
Now the way I see this argument going is this.  Anybody who believes that Darwin theory of evolution has merit, then they must be a evil materialist atheist baby killer. More importantly Christianity is beyond reproach anybody who calls themselves a Christian and commits any bad is clearly not a real Christian, nice move. Even better if you think you found anything in the bible that in your modern culture we might see as being bad, then clearly you don’t understand the bible. which is apparently quite clear on all subjects, even though Christianity itself is one of the most sectarians religions in the history of the world.
I also note that most of the religious poster also give other religions a back hander while they’re at it. Now as far as I can tell the only ID supporters that have rightfully condemned this line are Bfast and Davescout, mmm I wonder what that tells us.
Two last points you mention the fact that Kooris were given the right to vote in 1967. You didn't mention that this was by popular vote of the Australian people. Can you recall who some of the supporters of a  no vote were.  
You say you have spent time with Aboriginal people then it seems to me you should be far more open minded about the designer being the rainbow serpent, the dreaming is a wonderful setting for creation and those stories are far older than your Christianity.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2009,20:58   

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Clive Hayden:  if that person’s “behavior” on the other forum is directly insulting to those on this forum–yes. I won’t re-instate Bob O’H, he’s insulting. This is obvious. I don’t see why it needs to be defended.

Of course you can't defend your actions. Uncommon Descent *claims* to have open forum, but bans nearly all voices of dissent.

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As a general rule, so long as your comment is not defamatory profane, or a vicious personal attack, you can say pretty much what you want.

You ban people from commenting on the moderation policy on a thread about the new, open moderation policy. Is it possible to imagine a more hypocritical position?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2009,21:08   

KeeGee,

Well said. It might be worth pointing out that the Government in it paternalistic way was trying to do what it thought was good (although still horribly culturally racist as they wanted to integrate the children into "normal white" society).
A lot of the places that the Kooris were sent were intentionally cruel and inhumane and Church run. I think Ireland had a similar experiences with places where pregnant singles girls were sent.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2009,21:38   

I think it's been mentioned before, but Clive is Victorian Dad

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2009,21:50   

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I think it's been mentioned before, but Clive is Victorian Dad

Beautiful link... but I don't think it is just Clive.  I think that the link describes most, if not all of the UD regulars.

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ck1



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2009,21:51   

About 4.5 hours ago I posted this on Barry's new moderation policy thread (it has not appeared):

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I'm a biologist (32 years since PhD) working in genetics, virology and evolution.  I am delighted to hear of this new moderation policy and I look forward to being able to post here now.

I will simply note for now that often scientific findings are counterintuitive.  It is the data that matters, not suppositions based on common sense.


Too confrontational?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2009,22:12   

Apropos to the topic of being banned for things said on other forums, here's an exchange Barry and I had a while back when my TheYellowShark account was banned for calling one of Dembski's ridiculous posts "a pile of tard".


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From Barry Arrington
To me

Your recent comment

Was not approved.  As CH said, your next comment should be an apology or you will be banned.  You are now banned.  If you care to reply to this email with an apology that you would like for me to post, I will reinstate you.

As to the substance of your comment, "I will not say sorry for my
insults unless that other guy has to say sorry too," is petulant and
childish.  Given the obvious intelligence behind your comments, which I
will miss, I am surprised.

Barry K. Arrington


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I appreciate that you took the time to reply to my comment by email.

To be honest, I don't feel that I should have to apologize to Dr. Dembski for posting a comment that I made on a different website as a precondition for posting to UD.  On the contrary, I *do* feel that an apology would be more than appropriate for a much more serious breach of 'ethics' that was made on the front page of UD itself by one of its contributors, particularly when there is much suspicion that BaylorBear is a Dembski "sock puppet".  I don't think it's childish to point out this obvious double-standard.

If Dr. Dembski was aware of my comment prior to its repost at UD by Clive, and if he took offense, I do apologize and you can pass it on to him personally.  However, I think it's far more likely that he would realize that it was a *joke*, particularly if you consider his own sense of humour (e.g., the flatulent animation of Judge Jones, etc.)

That said, I don't believe that Clive actually cares about the apology itself, and is merely using the situation to 1) assert his authority, 2) attempt to undermine my status at antievolution.org--of which I admittedly have none, since I've only made about 10 posts--by forcing me to apologize, 3) attempting to ban someone who disagrees with him.  I see that as pretty much par-for-the-course for UD.

So you can pass on my apology to Dr. Dembski if (and only if) he knew about it and he was actually offended, but I would prefer that you didn't post it to UD, and I will accept my 'bannination'.

Take care.

Also, I would prefer if you or Clive would make a "TheYellowShark is no longer with us" comment on that thread, because:
a) the people at antievolution.org keep track of such things
b) it won't just look like I took off without any kind of reply

Thanks.


Of course, I was not reinstated, there was no mention of my bannination, and Barry did not reply.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2009,22:20   

I should mention that the reference to BaylorBear's breach of ethics is about that time he posted the cartoon of the IDiots chasing people up a tree for believing in evolution.  (Apparently threatening to beat/kill them.)  Not only was it offensive, he also doctored it and posted it unattributed.

Also, I used the term "pile of tard" on this forum, not at UD.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2009,22:25   

Quote (ck1 @ Mar. 14 2009,03:51)
About 4.5 hours ago I posted this on Barry's new moderation policy thread (it has not appeared):

       
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I'm a biologist (32 years since PhD) working in genetics, virology and evolution.  I am delighted to hear of this new moderation policy and I look forward to being able to post here now.

I will simply note for now that often scientific findings are counterintuitive.  It is the data that matters, not suppositions based on common sense.


Too confrontational?

I think the word you are looking for is "Vicious". It's a vicious personal attack and therefore unsuitable for inclusion at a refined scientifical forum such as UD. Drop the insults, the foul language, the pathetic mindless mischaracterizations, hate speech, puppy butchering and fascism and try again, somewhere else, in a year or so you racist chance worshipping bastard holocaust causer.

HTH.
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2009,00:01   

Quote (AmandaHuginKiss @ Mar. 13 2009,21:08)
KeeGee,

Well said. It might be worth pointing out that the Government in it paternalistic way was trying to do what it thought was good (although still horribly culturally racist as they wanted to integrate the children into "normal white" society).
A lot of the places that the Kooris were sent were intentionally cruel and inhumane and Church run. I think Ireland had a similar experiences with places where pregnant singles girls were sent.

Same as what happened to the Indians in North America.

Not all that different to what the Borg did to other civilizations in Star Trek really.

Without all the cool metallic implants, of course.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2009,00:15   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Mar. 13 2009,13:09)
Well, my comment never appeared, so the banned are still banned.

Persistence is Futile.  You will be banninated!

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2009,01:45   

Quote (JohnW @ Mar. 13 2009,15:25)
A question:
     
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R0b

03/13/2009

2:20 pm
We have no interest in censoring viewpoints, because we believe ID is true and consequently in any full and fair debate we will win…

Nobody wins in blog debates. Both sides inevitably think they won, but there is no official judge to say who really won.

How’s ID doing in forums where there are official judges, like peer review and the courtroom?

An answer:
   
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Upright BiPed

03/13/2009

2:37 pm
R0b,

“How’s ID doing in forums where there are official establishment materialist judges ideologues like peer review and the courtroon with celeb activists?

How is Darwin doing in the common sense department…ya know…out there with Joe Public?

How is the front on FSCI working out? Still hoping no one will notice?

Awww... they're so cute when they try to write in English.  Let's try again without the strikethroughs:
     
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How’s ID doing in forums where there are establishment materialist ideologues like peer review and with celeb activists?

Dunno.  I'll try to find some established materialist ideologues like peer review and with celeb activists, and then I'll get back to you.
     
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How is Darwin doing in the common sense department…ya know…out there with Joe Public?

Score one for our vertical two-legged friend.  Common sense and public opinion are always the best way to settle questions of science.  That's how we know that quantum mechanics is bogus, the speed of light is infinite, and the Earth is stationary.

 
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How is the front on FSCI working out? Still hoping no one will notice?

No-one has noticed.  There's nothing to notice.

asdfasdf

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2009,01:50   

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Score one for our vertical two-legged friend.  Common sense and public opinion are always the best way to settle questions of science.  That's how we know that quantum mechanics is bogus, the speed of light is infinite, and the Earth is stationary.

Actually that's a misconception.  The original claim was that the Earth was stationery.  As proof I offer the fact that Jesus is recorded to have knelt down and written in the dust during the dispute over the woman taken in adultery.  Oh, yes, and that for millions of years dinosaurs ruled the Earth.  This made the Earth so much easier to write neatly on in nice, straight lines.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2009,01:54   

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asdfasdf

Slip of the mouse.  I can haz edit buttin?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2009,02:33   

I decided to continue to fill up their spam filter:
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(why am I bothering?  :-))

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I was never aware that Bob was banned here till someone mentioned it about 6 months ago so I have no idea what got him banned.

Neither do I!

I was banned for pushing Denyse to clarify what she had written, but then reinstated thanks to DaveScot.  Shortly afterwards my posts stopped appearing at all.  Like this one won't.  :-)

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I believe Bob is an evolutionary biologist working in genetics at an European university.

Genetics and other things.  This is my homepage.

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I’ll answer that. If PZ — or anyone else — came here and minded his manners, he would be more than welcome.

I think you might want to chat to Clive Hayden about this - both PZ and DaveScot has been far more insulting of people at UD than I have, and yet both appear to be welcome here.

I think the left hand doesn't know what the right hand in thinking.  Or something.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2009,02:40   

On the last Darwin was(n't) racist thread, we have this little exchange:
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Arthur Smith

03/13/2009

3:15 pm

Is it appropriate to raise the issue of the decimation of the original inhabitants of North America? Was Darwin to blame here, too?
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DonaldM

03/13/2009

3:30 pm

Arthur Smith

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Is it appropriate to raise the issue of the decimation of the original inhabitants of North America? Was Darwin to blame here, too?


That depends. If it were the case that the actions taken towards the native americans were based on a racial view influenced by Darwin and his writings, then maybe. Has anyone tried to make such a case and connection between the two?
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Arthur Smith

03/13/2009

3:44 pm

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That depends. If it were the case that the actions taken towards the native americans were based on a racial view influenced by Darwin and his writings, then maybe. Has anyone tried to make such a case and connection between the two?


Checking with Google, it seems Darwin has, so far, escaped the blame for this outrage. Perhaps it is a fruitful avenue for research
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David Kellogg

03/13/2009

4:00 pm

DonaldM [97],

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If it were the case that the actions taken towards the native americans were based on a racial view influenced by Darwin and his writings, then maybe. Has anyone tried to make such a case and connection between the two?


Any connection would have to include a time machine.
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Arthur Smith

03/13/2009

4:03 pm

What sort of time machine were you thinking of, David? Please answer carefully.


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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2009,02:52   

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Arthur Smith

03/13/2009

4:03 pm

What sort of time machine were you thinking of, David? Please answer carefully.


LOL

I wonder if Clive of UD is aware he is just another player in the running joke that is UD.

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