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Doc Bill Posts: 1039 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2016,15:42    Yes, whales will have to wait while Torley spends the next decade discussing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Uncommonly Dense strikes again!  Look, a squirrel! I read two replies and now I have to wash my brain in vodka.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2016,18:20    Quote MapouFebruary 11, 2016 at 2:08 pm The physics community cannot be trusted because they muzzle their critics just like the Darwinist community and the AGW alarmist community muzzle their critics. As I wrote earlier, the conflict of interest is nothing short of scandalous. Every single one of those scientists involved with LIGO are hoping to get a Nobel Prize and more billions from the taxpayer. And, of course, the taxpayer has no say in the matter. Here’s a voice of dissent if anybody is interested: Why Gravitational Waves are Nonsense. linky

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2016,18:21    (two comments down) Quote 4 Mapou February 11, 2016 at 2:48 pm Bill, it is precisely because it corroborates GR that it should be taken with a huge grain of salt. The LIGO team did not set out to falsify GR but to corroborate it. This is not science. It’s a conspiracy of the relativist brotherhood. It’s crap. Sir Karl Popper is spinning in his grave at the speed of light, as I write.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2016,18:23    mapou's really bringing it: Quote 5 bill cole February 11, 2016 at 3:44 pm Mapou I have studied GR in some detail and have confidence in it. I agree science is always tentative so I respect your caution. The key is looking at the math and predictions which we don’t have time for but can wait until more data comes out. Again, I do appreciate your skepticism here. Quote 6 Mapou February 11, 2016 at 4:09 pm bill: Quote I have studied GR in some detail and have confidence in it. I have zero confidence in it because I know it’s wrong. Why? Because, as Karl Popper wrote in “Conjectures and Refutations”, spacetime is “a block universe in which nothing happens.” GR also calls for a deterministic and continuous universe. This is not even wrong. But I’ll leave it at that. Interminable arguments over GR get old really fast. linky Edited by stevestory on Feb. 11 2016,19:24

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2016,12:52    Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 11 2016,18:23) mapou's really bringing it:   Quote 5 bill cole February 11, 2016 at 3:44 pm Mapou I have studied GR in some detail and have confidence in it. I agree science is always tentative so I respect your caution. The key is looking at the math and predictions which we don’t have time for but can wait until more data comes out. Again, I do appreciate your skepticism here.   Quote 6 Mapou February 11, 2016 at 4:09 pm bill: Quote I have studied GR in some detail and have confidence in it. I have zero confidence in it because I know it’s wrong. Why? Because, as Karl Popper wrote in “Conjectures and Refutations”, spacetime is “a block universe in which nothing happens.” GR also calls for a deterministic and continuous universe. This is not even wrong. But I’ll leave it at that. Interminable arguments over GR get old really fast. linky So, he's never used a GPS then... -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Glen Davidson Posts: 1100 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2016,14:26    Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 12 2016,12:52) Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 11 2016,18:23) mapou's really bringing it:   Quote 5 bill cole February 11, 2016 at 3:44 pm Mapou I have studied GR in some detail and have confidence in it. I agree science is always tentative so I respect your caution. The key is looking at the math and predictions which we don’t have time for but can wait until more data comes out. Again, I do appreciate your skepticism here.   Quote 6 Mapou February 11, 2016 at 4:09 pm bill:   Quote I have studied GR in some detail and have confidence in it. I have zero confidence in it because I know it’s wrong. Why? Because, as Karl Popper wrote in “Conjectures and Refutations”, spacetime is “a block universe in which nothing happens.” GR also calls for a deterministic and continuous universe. This is not even wrong. But I’ll leave it at that. Interminable arguments over GR get old really fast. linky So, he's never used a GPS then... GPS uses just micro-General Relativity. Glen Davidson -------------- http://tinyurl.com/mxaa3p....p Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of coincidence---ID philosophy

Woodbine Posts: 1218 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2016,17:34    Over at his blog Mapou explains why gravity waves are bollocks...   Quote Gravity affects everything that exists equally regardless of mass and this includes massless particles. Both Newton and Galileo understood this centuries ago, even though relativists claim that they are the ones who figured it out. Go figure. The problem is that this undeniable principle means that gravity also affect gravitational waves. Since these waves affect themselves, they either cancel themselves out or amplify themselves recursively. The same objection applies to so-called curved space and to hypothetical intermediary particles such as gravitons. In other words, if it exists, regardless of its mass, gravity affects it. The infinite self-referential regress is too painful to even contemplate. So it's kinda like when you're a tad cavalier with the feedback knob on your guitar pedal. Or not. Whatever. A certain Jeffrey Gaulynski lends encouragement in the comments section... Be sure to visit his blog and discover (among other things) that Mercury is a dead star.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2016,19:05    Quote The infinite self-referential regress is too painful to even contemplate. Well, something here is too painful to even contemplate. It's not the infinite self-referential regress, but it's definitely something. Edited by stevestory on Feb. 12 2016,20:16

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2016,19:19    Quote 13 MapouFebruary 12, 2016 at 3:02 pm It goes without saying that GR is not 100% wrong. Otherwise it would never have survived or even seen the light of day. But most of it wrong. The one nice thing about GR is the equivalence principle whereby gravitational acceleration is said to be equivalent to inertial acceleration. Gravitational clock slowing (not time dilation, which is nonsense) is a good principle used in GPS navigation. But nobody needs to have curved spacetime, gravitational waves, time travel, black holes, wormholes, continuous structures, deterministic universe or any of the other absurd crap that Einsteinian physics is bloated with for GPS to work. so, you know, it's all wrong, except the obviously right stuff that i can't dispute, but other than that it's all wrong.

Lethean Posts: 292 Joined: Jan. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2016,20:25    Quote (The whole truth @ Feb. 08 2016,12:35)       Quote (Lethean @ Feb. 07 2016,18:10) ... and it should be noted that in that series of comments, not once did Ogre or anyone else (not even the whole truth!) called RexTugwell Rexy or Tugsy or anything else. (Also, still really want one of those edit button thingys like all the cool kids have.) Dang, that must have been an off day for me. :p P.S. For what it's worth, which probably isn't much, I feel that Lethean should get an edit button. It seems odd to me that edit buttons aren't given to everyone. If it's abused, it can be withdrawn. Can a time limit be put on editing a comment? Say, 30 minutes? Sure, first you build me up ...   Quote ETA: checked enable emoticons. Edited by The whole truth on Feb. 08 2016,10:37 ... and then you go and wave your edit button thingy around. Uh huh. (JK, thanks for advocating for me. :) )   Quote (Dr.GH @ Feb. 08 2016,16:04) As I recall, the edit function becomes available after 75 posts. I could be off a bit since it was a long time ago.     Quote (midwifetoad @ Feb. 08 2016,16:51) My recollection is I had to ask. Welp, this is post #71 so we'll see soon, yay! I'm attempting poorly to be cute about it, but in all honesty it speaks more about my need to kick up my preview and proofreading skills a notch than it does my needs for an edit button thingy. They are handy though ... -------------- "So I'm a pretty unusual guy and it's not stupidity that has gotten me where I am. It's brilliance." "My brain is one of the very few independent thinking brains that you've ever met. And that's a thing of wonder to you and since you don't understand it you criticize it." ~Dave Hawkins~

Lethean Posts: 292 Joined: Jan. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2016,21:26    Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 12 2016,19:19)     Quote 13 MapouFebruary 12, 2016 at 3:02 pm It goes without saying that GR is not 100% wrong. Otherwise it would never have survived or even seen the light of day. But most of it wrong. The one nice thing about GR is the equivalence principle whereby gravitational acceleration is said to be equivalent to inertial acceleration. Gravitational clock slowing (not time dilation, which is nonsense) is a good principle used in GPS navigation. But nobody needs to have curved spacetime, gravitational waves, time travel, black holes, wormholes, continuous structures, deterministic universe or any of the other absurd crap that Einsteinian physics is bloated with for GPS to work. so, you know, it's all wrong, except the obviously right stuff that i can't dispute, but other than that it's all wrong. Flushed with the envy of Dembski's "Fig Newton of Information" accolades, Mapou is making a play for "Fig Newton of Physics". He's gonna have to bring his A-game if he thinks he's gonna out-Sewell Sewell however. -------------- "So I'm a pretty unusual guy and it's not stupidity that has gotten me where I am. It's brilliance." "My brain is one of the very few independent thinking brains that you've ever met. And that's a thing of wonder to you and since you don't understand it you criticize it." ~Dave Hawkins~

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2016,09:05    Quote (Woodbine @ Feb. 12 2016,17:34) Over at his blog Mapou explains why gravity waves are bollocks...   Quote Gravity affects everything that exists equally regardless of mass and this includes massless particles. Both Newton and Galileo understood this centuries ago, even though relativists claim that they are the ones who figured it out. Go figure. The problem is that this undeniable principle means that gravity also affect gravitational waves. Since these waves affect themselves, they either cancel themselves out or amplify themselves recursively. The same objection applies to so-called curved space and to hypothetical intermediary particles such as gravitons. In other words, if it exists, regardless of its mass, gravity affects it. The infinite self-referential regress is too painful to even contemplate. So it's kinda like when you're a tad cavalier with the feedback knob on your guitar pedal. Or not. Whatever. A certain Jeffrey Gaulynski lends encouragement in the comments section... Be sure to visit his blog and discover (among other things) that Mercury is a dead star. I wonder is souls are affected by gravity. Or God.

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2016,09:22    Gordon Mullings (dba KairosFocus) Quote . . . it seems to be attempting well-poisoning as dismissal on a poisoned strawman caricature set alight with incendiary rhetoric fuelled by obvious resentment of God as just judge and loving creator who redeems by the self sacrifice of the incarnate Son. Gordon at his spewing best in his recent OP at UD. It always amazes me how religious nut-jobs (not all religious people are nut jobs, but Gordo qualifies) deny the evilness of the God they worship, as it is written in the bible. Gordo would have no problem labelling an African warlord "evil" if he put a gun in a kid's hands and told him to shoot his father to demonstrate his loyalty to the cause. But when his beloved God instructs someone to kill his son, to demonstrate his loyalty to God, that is OK.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2016,13:30    Crackmonkey StevenB, statement 1: Quote 2 StephenB February 11, 2016 at 7:34 pm buffalo, I agree. From a Christian perspective, the finished product (Adam) must reflect the Creator’s apriori intent with infallible precision. Same crackmonkey, statement 2: Quote 6 StephenB February 12, 2016 at 11:29 am Harry Quote If one really believes that it looks like the Universe and the life within it came about mindlessly and accidentally, then why pretend to be a Catholic? That is why I find “Catholics” so irritating who attempt to reconcile the Darwinian “It is only the appearance of design” with Catholicism. The entertaining part is that establishment pundits routinely characterize these sell-outs for Darwin as “devout” Catholics. How could they know that? Do they keep track of the sell-outs’ mass attendance and prayer life? Or, do the sell-outs themselves claim that they are privately devout so that no one will notice that they publicly subordinated God to Darwin? Seems like bad form to me. linky Edited by stevestory on Feb. 13 2016,14:31

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2016,13:48    Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 13 2016,13:30) Crackmonkey StevenB, statement 1:   Quote 2 StephenB February 11, 2016 at 7:34 pm buffalo, I agree. From a Christian perspective, the finished product (Adam) must reflect the Creator’s apriori intent with infallible precision. Same crackmonkey, statement 2:   Quote 6 StephenB February 12, 2016 at 11:29 am Harry   Quote If one really believes that it looks like the Universe and the life within it came about mindlessly and accidentally, then why pretend to be a Catholic? That is why I find “Catholics” so irritating who attempt to reconcile the Darwinian “It is only the appearance of design” with Catholicism. The entertaining part is that establishment pundits routinely characterize these sell-outs for Darwin as “devout” Catholics. How could they know that? Do they keep track of the sell-outs’ mass attendance and prayer life? Or, do the sell-outs themselves claim that they are privately devout so that no one will notice that they publicly subordinated God to Darwin? Seems like bad form to me. linky Catholic sell out #1:  Pope Francis. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2016,13:56    what amuses me is, according to steven, we can make statements about the relationship between god's mindset and the exact appearance of a dead man from earliest prehistory, but the mindset of fellow human beings is obviously utterly unknowable DUH. Crackmonkeys gotta crackmonk.

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2016,01:22    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Feb. 13 2016,09:22) Gordon Mullings (dba KairosFocus)     Quote . . . it seems to be attempting well-poisoning as dismissal on a poisoned strawman caricature set alight with incendiary rhetoric fuelled by obvious resentment of God as just judge and loving creator who redeems by the self sacrifice of the incarnate Son. Reply 2 in the same thread:     Quote I wouldn’t waste time reading about a book like that so I hope my comment isn’t too out of sync … but my beliefs about God come from cosmology, the beginning of the universe and the fine tuning of the universe to support life, the reports of people who have near-death experiences, and communications from the afterlife that come through evidential mediums like Leslie Flint.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2016,13:32    Quote 1 Axel February 14, 2016 at 12:32 pm Here is a truly miraculous opthalmological phenomenon : the mysterious image of the Virgin of Guadalupe on the cloak of a Mexican peasant, 12 years after Cortes arrival, shows the most remarkable details of human eyes and eye-lids when infra red photographs are blown up : ‘But there is a mystery within the mystery: blow ups show that the eyelids are depicted in such detail as to show all the blood vessels typical in a human eye. By observing the Virgin’s pupils using digital enhancement techniques, scientist José Aste Tönsmann, a professor at America’s Cornell University, noticed that both eyes featured equally detailed images with angulations and proportions similar to those of a living person. These images are so tiny that they can only be made out by magnifying the eyes up to 2,000 times, using techniques available today. This had previously not been possible.’ http://www.lastampa.it/2016....na.html Be very afraid, those of you who think God is a rotter, but He doesn’t exist ! linky

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2016,17:41    Quote As (believing) in Adam, all sinned? February 14, 2016 Posted by News under Christian Darwinism, News What fresh gibberish is this? linky

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2016,17:47    Title inflation illustrated: Quote Dr. Winston Ewert, a Senior Research Scientist at both Biologic Institute and the Evolutionary Informatics lab Wow!  Talk about your mighty scientist! Link

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2016,18:01    Aleta tries to explain infinite sets and counting 101 to Virgil Cain. Virgil tards it up. Aleta tries again. Virgil tards anew. Aleta tries, Virgil goes DERP DERP DERP. at the moment, this is the latest, priceless comment: Quote 269 Virgil Cain February 14, 2016 at 5:42 pm Why do my detractors think that just repeating what I am refuting refutes me? Talk about being mental midgets… How come all these educated math people all keep telling me my math is wrong? I Can't understand this deep mystery.

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2016,18:03    Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 14 2016,17:41)     Quote As (believing) in Adam, all sinned? February 14, 2016 Posted by News under Christian Darwinism, News What fresh gibberish is this? linky Just another theistic evolution type that Dense would like to run outta town.  But wait!  He might have something here:     Quote Complaining of evangelical “heresy hunts,” he also disparages the place of confessional statements in institutional life. Now if he had actually gotten confessional statements out of institutional life, he might have saved Bill Dembski's last job. PS And I'm betting that his gig at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary WAS his last job.   Ever.

Jim_Wynne Posts: 1208 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2016,18:24    Quote (CeilingCat @ Feb. 14 2016,18:03) Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 14 2016,17:41)     Quote As (believing) in Adam, all sinned? February 14, 2016 Posted by News under Christian Darwinism, News What fresh gibberish is this? linky Just another theistic evolution type that Dense would like to run outta town.  But wait!  He might have something here:     Quote Complaining of evangelical “heresy hunts,” he also disparages the place of confessional statements in institutional life. Now if he had actually gotten confessional statements out of institutional life, he might have saved Bill Dembski's last job. PS And I'm betting that his gig at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary WAS his last job.   Ever. Densey, introducing a quote: Quote From the Gospel Coalition, which is unsymathetic but treisto be charitable... -------------- Evolution is not about laws but about randomness on happanchance.--Robert Byers, at PT

KCdgw Posts: 376 Joined: Sep. 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2016,10:20    Quote Dr. Winston Ewert, a Senior Research Scientist What is it with these Daily Show titles? -------------- Those who know the truth are not equal to those who love it-- Confucius

KevinB Posts: 525 Joined: April 2013 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2016,10:27    Quote (KCdgw @ Feb. 16 2016,10:20)   Quote Dr. Winston Ewert, a Senior Research Scientist What is it with these Daily Show titles? I think it means he does his research during his senior moments.

Doc Bill Posts: 1039 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2016,10:38    Quote (KCdgw @ Feb. 16 2016,10:20) Quote Dr. Winston Ewert, a Senior Research Scientist What is it with these Daily Show titles? It means that Ewert has thrown away his career.  Both of those organizations are what can only be politely referred to as "bullshit organizations." It's more sad (to me) that his mentor, Robert Marks, professor at Baylor, would guide a student down such a ruinous path.  Then again, creationists are known for their ethical behavior.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2016,18:59    dude i was thinking the same thing. Senior Research Scientist at both (!!!!) Biologic Institute and the Evolutionary Informatics lab. Bet that's a grueling set of responsibilities.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2016,19:02    I suppose I'm Grand Vizier of After the Bar Closes. Wesley, of course, is Intergalactic Chairman. these are great too.

sparc Posts: 2088 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2016,22:35    Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 16 2016,18:59) dude i was thinking the same thing. Senior Research Scientist at both (!!!!) Biologic Institute and the Evolutionary Informatics lab. Bet that's a grueling set of responsibilities. Does Ewert being promoted already to senior status mean that we can hope for fresh meat? -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2016,23:22    Quote (sparc @ Feb. 16 2016,20:35)   Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 16 2016,18:59) dude i was thinking the same thing. Senior Research Scientist at both (!!!!) Biologic Institute and the Evolutionary Informatics lab. Bet that's a grueling set of responsibilities. Does Ewert being promoted already to senior status mean that we can hope for fresh meat? It means he gets a discount at Arby's if he shows his medicare card. Oh, and the Baylor cafeteria. -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

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