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Posted: Jan. 16 2007,11:50

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Mentok wails :

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Funny how they can spend time on religious critiques of ID yet refuse to take seriously the scientific challenges to evolution. Can they answer why,if humans evolved from apes, then why are apes better suited for survival in the wild? Sure having our brain power is better for survival, but we are weaker, we can’t subsist on the vegetation we find around us...

Yow. Multi-leveled tard. Hunter-gatherers subsist on "vegetation" we find around us, along with even just insect-derived amino acid supplements. And they...*gasp* survive in the wild just fine. This leads to cultivation of selected wild stands of plants, then domestication and agriculture. A chimp can kill me in wrestling, and can bite real good. So? But chimps are better at "subsistence?"? Yow. He might as well be trotting out the old standby: "If we evloved frum munkeys, Y R their still MUNKEYS?!?" Teh tard it burns!

Edit -- I should have stated it as: "If we evloved beautiful, healthy, young, succulent, hard, throbbing bodies frum MUNKEYS"... etc. After all, this is a Mentok parody.

Yeah, lions can't subsist "on the vegetation" they find around them either.

Oh, right. They eat the apes.

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Posted: Jan. 16 2007,11:57

Fuck it. I wanna play too.

Where is this JoeG guy? Does he want to come to the UK? I'll fight him. He can pick the pub car park of his choice. I'm really hard me. Especially when I'm sat thousands of miles away behind a keyboard. When I'm sat at my keyboard, I was in the SAS. I know all the martial arts in the world and have an AK-47 coming out of my massive cock. AND My Dad is bigger than his Dad and can beat him up so there. Nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah.

Is this complete Yankie ponce for real?

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Posted: Jan. 16 2007,11:59

Off topic for Deadman:

Hey DM, what can you tell me about the Hueyatlaco site in Mexico? From what I gather, it's a pre-clovis site near a lake where artifacts were repeatedly mixed due to local flooding. Apparently the original excavation was botched badly, leading some to claim that dating of the flood debris to 250,000 YPB means the artifacts themselves date to 250,000 YBP.

From centerfirstamericans.org

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Several potential pre-Clovis localities were found in the 1960s around the edge of the Valsequillo Reservoir, Mexico. One of these localities is the site of Hueyatlaco. This site was excavated by Cynthia Irwin-Williams in 1962, 1964, and 1966. At this site, numerous unifacial flake tools were found with extinct fauna. Questions about the stratigraphy, location of the artifacts, and dating have plague this site. In 2003, a trip was made to the Smithsonian Archives in Maryland and the files of Cynthia Irwin-Williams were examined. Numerous maps and files were photocopied and this Excavations at the Hueyatlaco sitematerial was used to reconstruct the excavations conducted at the site in 1962, 1964, and 1966. Field investigations were undertaken during May and June of 2004 at Hueyatlaco. Three trenches were excavated at the site in order to examine and evaluate the stratigraphy at Hueyatlaco. We were able to confirm that the Hueyatlaco Ash did indeed overlie what was reported to be the unifacial artifact-bearing deposits (Bed I). An unconformity separated the alluvium containing the bifacial material (Bed E and C). Samples of the Hueyatlaco Ash and other units are being dated by the Ar-Ar and luminescence techniques. These dates will resolve once and for all the age of this important site. This research is being done in collaboration with Joaquin Arroyo-Cabrales (INAH), Patricia Ochoa-Castillo (National Museum of Anthropology), and Mario Perez-Campa (INAH).

A Creationist on another board is claiming this as evidence that the evil atheist scientist conspiracy is engaged in a cover-up, etc. Any inside info you can pass along? Thanks,

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Posted: Jan. 16 2007,12:23

JoeG:

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She wouldn't know scientific data if it was stuffed up her pu$$y.

And I'm a potty mouth? What a class act. Think I'll just avoid that thread (I almost typed "threat").

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We can find disease and death and so many other things which are not what we would subjectively consider perfect. So we see a dichotomy here on earth, beauty and astounding perfection and the degradation of the same. This is not some new idea which a few evolutionists thought up of in their dorm rooms over pizza one beery night. For many christians the answer is original sin...

No kidding.

Back in my day, it was controversial to mainstream disabled children into public schools. Parents weighed in objecting to "gross" handicapped children, and pontificating, "God makes only perfect children." (I had just gotten my first pair of glasses. Hey, what do you think about that, Bill D? Oh, you probably have no opinion as always.)

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for hindus it’s individual karmic reaction or justice, for many muslims and jews it’s believed that there is a purpose but that purpose is known only to god. all of these mainstream religions teach that the earth and life as we know it on earth, is an example of what the designer has to offer us if we can live up to our full potential.

Ever heard anyone say, "If a car hits you, it's your fault"? I have. Ever heard anyone say, "People born without hands were thieves in earlier lives"? I have. Ever heard anyone say, "Women who are actually smart are uniquely called to resist the temptations of worldly greatness"? I especially heard that one.

I regularly come into contact with a great diversity of people (unlike many of the wind-bags at UD) and I've heard just about everything, and all these nonsensical "meanings" and "purposes" start to look like random verbal mutation when you hear it enough.

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Posted: Jan. 16 2007,12:37

Occam's: I haven't heard anything about that site for a long time, but I'll ask around and see if I can find out anything. I never bothered with it since I *thought* it was like the Calico site : "flake-tools" that were geofacts. BUT Stuart Feidel says that there were 4 sites on the Valsequillo reservoir dug by Irwin-Williams and that the Hueyatlaco site was the most promising...it consists of 6 "culture-bearing" levels ( in the jargon of that day).

The Lowest (presumably oldest) level had SIX TOTAL artifacts, 3 flakes and three "points" found in it, one a flake-retouch and the other 2 on "blades." ( the difference between a flake and a "blade" is simply one is more rectangular or elongated... flakes tend to be more ovate or semi-circular.) These were alleged to be associated with extinct horse, camelid and mastodon fossils. The problem with all of these is that they are unresolvable from "geofacts" that would occur naturally as moving water causes chips in rocks colliding together.

"culture-bearing levels" closer to the surface had biface points with retouch, retouched flakes and blades and a leaf-shaped (spear?)point with shoulders and stem.

Virginia Steen-McIntyre has an entire site devoted to this stuff at : http://www.valsequilloclassic.net/ .Look under forum topics for Hueyatlaco and El Horno. "Huey" means donkey or ass, if I remember right.

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Posted: Jan. 16 2007,12:46

Here's the Terms of Service for JoeG's blog service:

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I did

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Posted: Jan. 16 2007,12:49

BTW, look at those storms across Texas. The Designer sure is mad about Dover. After all, bad aim doesn't mean no aim. (Always a day late and a dollar short, huh?) And these stupid fools are fighting about the origin of the hamburger. We all know it's from Texas--just like George Bush.

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Posted: Jan. 16 2007,13:12

Post Script on that Hueyatlaco site: it's a stream-bed site, which poses a large amount of problems stratigraphically. Arroyos or gullies are notorious for geofacts and jumbled strata with intrusions.

Virginia Steen_McIntyre's site has a sidebar that refers to report papers , but no links. The actual papers are found at : http://www.valsequilloclassic.net/Irwin-Williams/index.htm ( and check VSM's reports in the header of that page as well)

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Posted: Jan. 16 2007,13:19

the tard...it burns!

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our backs could be better, but it was obviously originally designed for a quadraped body plan. The same goes for our sinuses.
Is it bad design to refurbish old designs? I don’t think so

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The idea our back and sinuses was designed for a quadraped body plan is a prime example of Darwninian stupidity. Sinus pain and sore backs come from damage to the design, not flaws in the design itself. The fact is, there is more perfection in the design of the human body than can be explained by selective pressure.

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Many of us IDers totally accept common descent. Some don’t.

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The tailbone? Left over from when humans had tails? That is a joke. Humans never had tails. As for the tailbone or coccyx as it is properly called, it is the base of your spine and where muscles attache that are used in defecation and childbirth.

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The entire spoof is a double-entendre mock and scoff. They mock ID while scoffing at the Lord, with the additional dufusness of forgetting the very real sacrifices of people giving their lives freeing slaves.

Takes real high IQ them thar Darwinians have that I just can’t get my poor pea brain around.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1960
anybody have a clue what a "dufusness" is?

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Posted: Jan. 16 2007,13:22

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JoeG:

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She wouldn't know scientific data if it was stuffed up her pu$$y.

Let me just put in a request that people here not descend to JoeG's level.

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Posted: Jan. 16 2007,13:25

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Let me just put in a request that people here not descend to JoeG's level.

Awwwwwwwwww!

{Stomps off in a huff}

Louis

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Posted: Jan. 16 2007,13:32

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She wouldn't know scientific data if it was stuffed up her pu$$y.

Let me just put in a request that people here not descend to JoeG's level.

I agree, although Joe seems to be suggesting a new type of explanitory filter. "Is that science, miss jones?"

"No.. but I like it"

Sorry.

*Gets hat and coat.*

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Posted: Jan. 16 2007,13:38

It's just generally a good idea to keep the tone of the place such that it doesn't turn people off.

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Posted: Jan. 16 2007,13:45

IMO it is all evidence that ID is dead as a threat to science education.

Tis nothing but selling books now. Similar to astrology and crystal healing etc.

There is virtually nothing we can do about that without starting a "thought police". Somewhere I do not wish to go.

In conclusion. As a threat to science education, ID is dead and burried. We won.

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Posted: Jan. 16 2007,13:46

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anybody have a clue what a "dufusness" is?

A "doofus" is someone who's clumsy, inept, stupid etc.

Think those parts of Texas that aren't in Austin ...

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Posted: Jan. 16 2007,13:56

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It's just generally a good idea to keep the tone of the place such that it doesn't turn people off.

If it;s such a good idea, then why are there still Tards at UD?

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Posted: Jan. 16 2007,14:06

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It's just generally a good idea to keep the tone of the place such that it doesn't turn people off.

If it;s such a good idea, then why are there still Tards at UD?

I'm not sure what you mean.

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Posted: Jan. 16 2007,14:14

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It's just generally a good idea to keep the tone of the place such that it doesn't turn people off.

If it;s such a good idea, then why are there still Tards at UD?

I'm not sure what you mean.

I *think* he's saying they still have a readership, despite the tone.

But, look at the quality of their readership (that doesn't go to laugh). I think Steve is saying lets stay attractive to those highbrow sciencey fact-based elitist types who live in their ivory towers and do actual research.

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Posted: Jan. 16 2007,14:35

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She wouldn't know scientific data if it was stuffed up her pu$$y.

Let me just put in a request that people here not descend to JoeG's level.

How did I descend to his level by quoting him?

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Posted: Jan. 16 2007,14:36

edit: actually, I need to redo that. It died in 2005. Anybody want to make a tombstone for ID?

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Posted: Jan. 16 2007,14:41

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She wouldn't know scientific data if it was stuffed up her pu$$y.

Let me just put in a request that people here not descend to JoeG's level.

How did I descend to his level by quoting him?

I don't recall saying that you (or anyone) descended to his level. I was just making a general request.

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Posted: Jan. 16 2007,14:46

I'm sure steve didn't mean you, Kristine, but rather people like myself that would go to JoeG's blog and poke at him and torment the poor dumb thing.

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Posted: Jan. 16 2007,14:53

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I'm sure steve didn't mean you, Kristine, but rather people like myself that would go to JoeG's blog and poke at him and torment the poor dumb thing.

While it wouldn't be great for you to go poke JoeG, it's not my concern what anybody does elsewhere. I just saw JoeG's ugly comment and didn't want that to set the tone here. That's all.

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Posted: Jan. 16 2007,14:54

I, for one, would like to say what a splendid job steve has been doing. His new suit is pretty nifty, too (notice my dazzled look in the photo):

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.P.S. Louis *forced* me to post this. He threatened to send me the "Big Book of English Cuisine"

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Posted: Jan. 16 2007,15:00

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I'm sure steve didn't mean you, Kristine, but rather people like myself that would go to JoeG's blog and poke at him and torment the poor dumb thing.

While it wouldn't be great for you to go poke JoeG, it's not my concern what anybody does elsewhere. I just saw JoeG's ugly comment and didn't want that to set the tone here. That's all.

I think Steve just was proactively trying to make sure sure none of us here started emulating Mr. Gallien.

Anyway, yes, let's all try and be understanding to poor dumb Joe. He's probably nice to animals, and I'm sure he's a demon at fixing refrigerators.

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Posted: Jan. 16 2007,15:12

So just to recap -
Kristine is a foul mouthed, tone lowering, hip shaker who's much worse than Joe G.

Now that everyone's happy that's settled, I'm closing the comments -DT

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Posted: Jan. 16 2007,15:25

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It's just generally a good idea to keep the tone of the place such that it doesn't turn people off.

If it;s such a good idea, then why are there still Tards at UD?

I'm not sure what you mean.

Ooops - Sorry it took so long to get back, but unlike DaveScot, I have to occasssionally do some work...

My "Why are there still tard?" comment was a crude attempt to play off the old "why are there still monkeys" creatonist line. Sorry for the confusion. Yes, it could have been expressed better. A "poor design" if may say...

Actually I do agree, best not to stoop to Joe G's level, but dammit we DO have to protect Kristine, right? Although she seems pretty darn tough to me. In a hawt, good way. Help me out of this hole I've dug for myself please!!!!

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Posted: Jan. 16 2007,15:56

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In conclusion. As a threat to science education, ID is dead and burried. We won.

The problem is that IDC is not dead as a political/social movement any more than YEC is dead. The the antipublic education rightwingers like the Cato Institute conservatives and creationists are solidly behind homeschool and voucher movements which are growing in the USA.

We need to take the fight down to the face-to-face public arena. For example, this Saturday I am doing a presentation on IDC and Why Intelligent Design Fails at a local Borders Books. The store has ordered 25 extra copies, and if the first one goes well, they have 20 other stores for me to go in southern California to over the next few months.

Since I don't get any royalty from WIDF my goal is not money. It is going to cost me money. It is not because I like Rutgers University Press. In fact the Rutgers UP promotions people are morons! They sent me 25 direct mailorder fliers to hand out at the talk. What jerkwads! I am not going to pass out mailorder forms undercutting a retail store that is my host!

So what is the point?- we need to take this "to the people."

When I listen to Steve Meyer I shudder. Not at what he is saying, but at how well he says it.

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Posted: Jan. 16 2007,15:59

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.P.S. Louis *forced* me to post this. He threatened to send me the "Big Book of English Cuisine"

What? He was going to roll it up and swat you with it?

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