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NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2015,14:54   

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A better phrase would be " ...my ID related work became a pile of bullshit."

Now there's a question:  Is Gary's bullshit emergent, or is it composed of self-similar bullshit all the way down?

A better question would be what actions should taxpayers and scientists take to eliminate swell-headed crap like yours from the public schools.

It's no secret that a decade ago "cellular intelligence" was supposed to be ID flak, not science. Even though studying that level of intelligence is now "routine science" the defamatory charade still goes on.

'Cellular intelligence' as you use the term is a fantasy of your own creation, laughed at by all and sundry.
The most you've ever meant by it is the strictly non-controversial notion that intelligence arises in entities composed of biological cells and their products.
That's never been a notion rejected by science.

As to defamation, it is impossible to defame you more than your own actions do.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2015,15:33   

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def·a·ma·tion
ˌdefəˈmāSH(ə)n/
noun
the action of damaging the good reputation of someone;


So Gary's disqualified.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2015,17:21   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Nov. 28 2015,12:30)
Start studying:

jonlieffmd.com/cellular-intelligence-blog

The article that you linked to uses the word intelligence, but it presents no evidence whatsoever that the described behaviors result from intelligence rather than adaptation.

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2015,18:04   

Quote (N.Wells @ Nov. 28 2015,17:21)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Nov. 28 2015,12:30)
Start studying:

jonlieffmd.com/cellular-intelligence-blog

The article that you linked to uses the word intelligence, but it presents no evidence whatsoever that the described behaviors result from intelligence rather than adaptation.

Operationally define "adaptation" please.

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NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2015,18:14   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Nov. 28 2015,19:04)
Quote (N.Wells @ Nov. 28 2015,17:21)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Nov. 28 2015,12:30)
Start studying:

jonlieffmd.com/cellular-intelligence-blog

The article that you linked to uses the word intelligence, but it presents no evidence whatsoever that the described behaviors result from intelligence rather than adaptation.

Operationally define "adaptation" please.

You know the meaning of at most one of the words in that request.
You're not even a very good parrot.

  
N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2015,20:44   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Nov. 28 2015,18:04)
     
Quote (N.Wells @ Nov. 28 2015,17:21)
     
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Nov. 28 2015,12:30)
Start studying:

jonlieffmd.com/cellular-intelligence-blog

The article that you linked to uses the word intelligence, but it presents no evidence whatsoever that the described behaviors result from intelligence rather than adaptation.

Operationally define "adaptation" please.

An adaptation is a trait with a current functional role in the life of an organism, where the function evolved by and is presently maintained by natural selection.  To demonstrate this, it needs to be shown that the trait is under genetic control (is inheritable), and that variations in the trait result in variations in success at meeting the challenges of life, leading to variations in success at reproduction.

Genetic evidence for positive selection includes rapid divergence of functional sites between species and suppression of polymorphism within a species.  Positive selection is common across a wide range of species in genes that are involved in host–pathogen interactions, reproduction, dietary adaptation, and appearance.   Another category of genes that commonly show positive selection are genes that affect distinctions from closely related species, for instance in humans involving behavior, brain anatomy, and the sensory systems.

For example:
http://www.pnas.org/content....bstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc........C117557

But that was a nuisance request on your part, wasn't it, because you have yet to provide usable operational definitions (or even logically valid regular definitions) for any of the terms and concepts that you use and abuse.  You have shown that "operational definition" is not a concept that you understand.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2015,23:46   

Intelligence clearly improves "success at meeting the challenges of life" therefore "adaptation" is too ambiguous of a word to be useful.

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NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 29 2015,05:44   

You (still) owe us an operational definition of intelligence.
Your software fails to accomplish that, as already shown.

  
N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 29 2015,06:22   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Nov. 28 2015,23:46)
Intelligence clearly improves "success at meeting the challenges of life"

Yes, and you have so far completely failed to show that intelligence (as standardly conceived) is something other than an adaptation.

You also have yet to document that intelligence as you wish to use it (beyond the standard sense) actually exists.  Assertion is not proof.

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therefore "adaptation" is too ambiguous of a word to be useful.

I gave you a non-ambiguous operational definition, which you have failed to refute (and which did not start and stop with the portion that you picked on), and you have yet to provide the equivalent for any of your abused terms.

Your counterargument is truly pathetic - can't you do any better than that?  However, thanks for once again demonstrating that you don't understand operational definitions.

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 29 2015,12:41   

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Intelligence is the ability to adapt to change.

Stephen Hawking

Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes.....LFkq.99

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NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 29 2015,12:59   

How very typical that you would link to a quote farm rather than to original material.

And isn't this the very point N.Wells was making against your nonsense?

We're still waiting for you to provide an operation definition of intelligence.

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 29 2015,12:59   

On "machine learning" and computer modeling "evolution":

Pedro Domingos: "The Master Algorithm" | Authors at Google
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....t=4m57s

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NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 29 2015,14:06   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Nov. 29 2015,13:59)
On "machine learning" and computer modeling "evolution":

Pedro Domingos: "The Master Algorithm" | Authors at Google
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....t=4m57s

Which also has nothing whatsoever to do with your effluent.

You could at least expend the effort to point out what connects your work to the links you post, besides your own fevered imagination and the occasional use of similar words.

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 29 2015,16:28   

Then here is more:

I did not find myself belonging to any one "tribe". From what was said I'm experimenting with a "grand unified theory of machine learning". Connectionist forward and reverse propagation is useful for getting neurons to address data like a digital RAM chip does, but that only slows down computation time and although scientifically useful to do it is much like reinventing the wheel. The common sense to ahead of time successfully act on a future event comes from a 2D+Time RAM that could be made of neurons too, but it is faster and easier to dimension an array with simple on/off bit propagation that becomes complex temporal behavior when past, present and future possibilities are together perceived.

The "master algorithm" that also covers what the "Evolutionaries" are attempting to model is in this illustration that I ended up needing to draw:
sites.google.com/site/intelligenceprograms/Home/Causation.png

I'm not sure what "tribe" that is from (or should be named) but my thinking parallels others:

From: tnewton.solarbotics.net/robot1.html
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This I believe is one of the failings of AI research - the expectation that intelligence means human-level intelligence. We devise artificial tests to try to quantify intelligence then condemn anything that fails as not being intelligent. An associative memory like the one described has no more intelligence than an earthworm, probably less. It is an autonomous robot, not a person. It doesn't have to explain itself, all it has to do is get around by itself and react to its environment. In many ways, it is the environment itself that provides the intelligence, the software need only provide sensor motor coupling in a way that can be remembered.


By adding another 2D array to memory the David Heiserman based Beta class (almost) earthworm scale intelligence became as good or better than a rat in a hidden shock zone test. That can be further improved by adding another 2D array with no angular time in addressing to perceive the shape of the invisible zone by summing up all experiences with it at various angular times (minus rotational angle). There is a master algorithm that remains the same but it is not what the five tribes have, it ends up containing them all in three self-similar intelligence levels in the overall model that becomes for the process of speciation.

The video was a big help understanding the differences between methodologies. But now I feel like I have no tribal identity and must have one, even though it's a unity of all 5 of the others and technically belongs to all.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 29 2015,16:32   

The tragedy of the commons.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 29 2015,17:45   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Nov. 29 2015,16:28)
The common sense to ahead of time successfully act on a future event comes from a 2D+Time RAM that could be made of neurons too, but it is faster and easier to dimension an array with simple on/off bit propagation that becomes complex temporal behavior when past, present and future possibilities are together perceived.

What are the Different Parts of a Sentence?

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GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 29 2015,21:34   

Yes I agree that was an unruly sentence. But in that case I was happy put such a large thought together, without leaving out necessary detail.

I do though love the word flow in "Grand unified theory of machine learning". It's a short but simple way of summing up what I have.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 30 2015,01:26   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Nov. 30 2015,03:34)
I do though love the word flow in "Grand unified theory of machine learning". It's a short but simple way of summing up what I have.

'Drivel' is shorter.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 30 2015,07:52   

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I do though love the word flow in "Grand unified theory of machine learning". It's a short but simple way of summing up what I have.

'Drivel' is shorter.

There are even shorter possibilities, but not necessarily appropriate for polite company.

And as for word flow "Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious" does very nicely, is just as meaningful, and comes set to music as well!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 30 2015,08:22   

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I do though love the word flow in "Grand unified theory of machine learning". It's a short but simple way of summing up what I have.

'Drivel' is shorter.

There are even shorter possibilities, but not necessarily appropriate for polite company.

And as for word flow "Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious" does very nicely, is just as meaningful, and comes set to music as well!

But according to Gary's "theory", music is not one of the 'features of the universe best explained [sic] by intelligent cause'.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 30 2015,08:50   

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And as for word flow "Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious" does very nicely, is just as meaningful, and comes set to music as well!

Even though The Diagram is something quite atrocious.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 30 2015,09:24   

Quote (NoName @ Nov. 30 2015,08:22)
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I do though love the word flow in "Grand unified theory of machine learning". It's a short but simple way of summing up what I have.

'Drivel' is shorter.

There are even shorter possibilities, but not necessarily appropriate for polite company.

And as for word flow "Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious" does very nicely, is just as meaningful, and comes set to music as well!

But according to Gary's "theory", music is not one of the 'features of the universe best explained [sic] by intelligent cause'.

Well, he obviously doesn't understand that it'll take more than A Spoonful of Sugar to help his theory go down, and he persists after 523 pages of being told to Go Fly a Kite.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 30 2015,17:54   

Star0 found something that can be added to the ID Lab critter for it to use its eyes to recognize what it sees:

www.kurzweilai.net/forums/topic/ask-me-anything-free-form-visual-question-answering-based-on-knowledge-from-ext#post-732150

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GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 30 2015,20:40   

And a new way to explain how the simple ID Lab can like-magic make temporal decisions was found in the AI forum:

From:  io9.com/5866215/bee-swarms-behave-just-like-neurons-in-the-human-brain
 
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"The message the sender scout is conveying to the dancer appears to be that the dancer should curb her enthusiasm, because there is another nest site worthy of consideration. Such an inhibitory signal is not necessarily hostile. It's simply saying, 'Wait a minute, here's something else to consider, so let's not be hasty in recruiting every bee to a site that may not be the best one for the swarm. All the bees have a common interest in choosing the best available site. This is critical, because the swarm must choose a single nest site, even if two sites of equal quality are available. This cross inhibition curtails the production of waggle dances for, and thus the recruitment of bees to, a competing site."


I found that switching back and forth between possibilities (i.e present and future state of environment) is the only thing it takes for the ID Lab critter to learn how to act accordingly, make wise decisions upon. Places in the environment with signals that remain the same are in a way already decided for. Only the things that periodically signal are part of the decision(s) made, temporally. It's interesting to see evidence that bees do the same thing, in order to coax a useful answer out of the colony.


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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2015,11:54   

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Even though The Diagram is something quite atrocious.


Dumb diddle iddle liddle dumb diddle's he. . . .

Whatta hoot, though!  :)  :)  :)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2015,11:58   

Yo, Goo Goo, we're not bees in here - no matter what kind of a buzz you have.

Are these bees intelligent enough to process three or more sites?  Just askin'.

Otherwise, that post is pretty hoot-level.  :)  :)  :)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2015,22:01   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Nov. 29 2015,12:59)
On "machine learning" and computer modeling "evolution":

Pedro Domingos: "The Master Algorithm" | Authors at Google
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....t=4m57s

Kinda tough to take someone seriously who thinks David Rumelhart originated back-propagation.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 02 2015,06:09   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Dec. 01 2015,22:01)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Nov. 29 2015,12:59)
On "machine learning" and computer modeling "evolution":

Pedro Domingos: "The Master Algorithm" | Authors at Google
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....t=4m57s

Kinda tough to take someone seriously who thinks David Rumelhart originated back-propagation.

Tribal conflict over who originated back-propagation?

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 02 2015,09:15   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 02 2015,06:09)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Dec. 01 2015,22:01)
 
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Nov. 29 2015,12:59)
On "machine learning" and computer modeling "evolution":

Pedro Domingos: "The Master Algorithm" | Authors at Google
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....t=4m57s

Kinda tough to take someone seriously who thinks David Rumelhart originated back-propagation.

Tribal conflict over who originated back-propagation?

Failure of basic scholarship?

Of course, Gary is not expected to understand *that* concept.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 02 2015,18:19   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Dec. 02 2015,09:15)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 02 2015,06:09)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Dec. 01 2015,22:01)
 
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Nov. 29 2015,12:59)
On "machine learning" and computer modeling "evolution":

Pedro Domingos: "The Master Algorithm" | Authors at Google
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....t=4m57s

Kinda tough to take someone seriously who thinks David Rumelhart originated back-propagation.

Tribal conflict over who originated back-propagation?

Failure of basic scholarship?

Of course, Gary is not expected to understand *that* concept.

Academic snobbery?

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