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The whole truth



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(Permalink) Posted: July 11 2012,17:45   

Today is the first time I've looked at this thread for awhile and from what I see (and from a few links I followed) PZ Meyers is still being a hypocritical jerk that needs to get over himself, the feminazis are still feminazis (Hey, if the shoe fits....), the hysteria/paranoia being spewed by PZ, his sycophants, and the feminazis is way out of control, and ftb is trying hard to be like UD in their blocking and banning actions. So much for 'free thought'.

And one more thing before I go back to ridiculing IDiots:

What's with all the "culture", "community", "commune" bullshit about atheists? I'm an atheist, but not because some other people are atheists, and I'm not a member of some atheist community, culture, or commune. I think for myself and don't need to be a member of some so-called culture, commune, or community to do so.

The PZ and Rebecca Watson type of atheists are in some ways feeding the claim by religious zealots that atheism is a religion.



ETA: fixed a typo

Edited by The whole truth on July 11 2012,15:47

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(Permalink) Posted: July 11 2012,17:50   

Quote (Kattarina98 @ July 11 2012,04:40)
Quote (Bob O'H @ July 11 2012,03:49)
Can anyone point me to a good summary of this FTBullies spat? I caught some of it, but was away doing (well, talking about) Science last week, so I think I missed the fun.

Sorry, I can't provide an unbiased summary, but here are what I think the relevant blog posts:

Thunderfoot's offending post:
http://tinyurl.com/d774xp9....d774xp9


PZ's answer:
http://tinyurl.com/7q2jnkt....7q2jnkt


Thunderfoot's following posts:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/thunder....derf00t

Ed Brayton announcing TF's banning:
http://tinyurl.com/c5x2k3n....c5x2k3n

My biased opinion:
Excluding someone for bad behaviour is a bit rich - at PZ's blog bad behaviour is deemed a virtue. Remember Gelatigate when Lizzie got attacked for tone trolling simply because her comments were not foulmouthed?

That said, I think Thunderfoot didn't quite get the issue at hand.

Edit: I'm pulling a bornagain77 now, but this video is doing a good job at evaluating what has happened.

Oops, forgot to link to the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v....re=plcp

You also can read Paula Kirby's twitter feed (eta: https://twitter.com/paulask....kirby), which has links and comments by Russell Blackford and others, as well as her "Sisterhood of the Opressed" (http://t.co/Kb9D7KX5).  There are numerous posts all around about this.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 11 2012,18:02   

Quote (The whole truth @ July 11 2012,17:45)
Today is the first time I've looked at this thread for awhile and from what I see (and from a few links I followed) PZ Meyers is still being a hypocritical jerk that needs to get over himself, the feminazis are still feminazis (Hey, if the shoe fits....), the hysteria/paranoia being spewed by PZ, his sycophants, and the feminazis is way out of control, and ftb is trying hard to be like UD in their blocking and banning actions. So much for 'free thought'.

And one more thing before I go back to ridiculing IDiots:

What's with all the "culture", "community", "commune" bullshit about atheists? I'm an atheist, but not because some other people are atheists, and I'm not a member of some atheist community, culture, or commune. I think for myself and don't need to be a member of some so-called culture, commune, or community to do so.

The PZ and Rebecca Watson type of atheists are in some ways feeding the claim by religious zealots that atheism is a religion.



ETA: fixed a typo

I think part of it (other than egos) goes back to the "dictionary atheist" fiasco where PZ links atheism with a whole host of other things, and those who just have a lack of belief in gods can go F'-themselves, IIRC.  All I really remember was reading his posts and scratching my head saying WTF?  Now, to be an atheist, we have to be in a "movement", and "atheism = social justice" (which is defined by them only).  I think John Loftus has it far more accurate, with atheist communities.  Being an atheist doesn't mean you have to believe the same things, or want to work for some narrow ideology to the exclusion of other things.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 11 2012,18:05   

Quote (The whole truth @ July 11 2012,17:45)
What's with all the "culture", "community", "commune" bullshit about atheists? I'm an atheist, but not because some other people are atheists, and I'm not a member of some atheist community, culture, or commune. I think for myself and don't need to be a member of some so-called culture, commune, or community to do so.

Maybe you should account for the reality a lot of US American atheists live in. Imagine a deeply religious family and you are the only atheist member, in a small town, all alone and no way to come out. I think knowing you are part of a community might help to bear the pressure.

But what do I know? Where I live fundies are either laughed at when they preach at street corners, or they make others feel vicariously embarrassed when they talk about their belief in company.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 11 2012,19:22   

Quote (Badger3k @ July 11 2012,18:02)
Quote (The whole truth @ July 11 2012,17:45)
Today is the first time I've looked at this thread for awhile and from what I see (and from a few links I followed) PZ Meyers is still being a hypocritical jerk that needs to get over himself, the feminazis are still feminazis (Hey, if the shoe fits....), the hysteria/paranoia being spewed by PZ, his sycophants, and the feminazis is way out of control, and ftb is trying hard to be like UD in their blocking and banning actions. So much for 'free thought'.

And one more thing before I go back to ridiculing IDiots:

What's with all the "culture", "community", "commune" bullshit about atheists? I'm an atheist, but not because some other people are atheists, and I'm not a member of some atheist community, culture, or commune. I think for myself and don't need to be a member of some so-called culture, commune, or community to do so.

The PZ and Rebecca Watson type of atheists are in some ways feeding the claim by religious zealots that atheism is a religion.



ETA: fixed a typo

I think part of it (other than egos) goes back to the "dictionary atheist" fiasco where PZ links atheism with a whole host of other things, and those who just have a lack of belief in gods can go F'-themselves, IIRC.  All I really remember was reading his posts and scratching my head saying WTF?  Now, to be an atheist, we have to be in a "movement", and "atheism = social justice" (which is defined by them only).  I think John Loftus has it far more accurate, with atheist communities.  Being an atheist doesn't mean you have to believe the same things, or want to work for some narrow ideology to the exclusion of other things.

Loftus was smart.  He was on FtB for about a week, then walked away.  

The members there ragged him pretty hard for it, as I recall.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 11 2012,21:09   

There's always the Unitarians. My son lives in Manhattan and will need preschool and other social amenities. The Unitarians provide the social network without the theology.

In Brooklyn there's something called the Ethical Society. These folks have money.

In my (southern) hometown, the Unitarians have "Sunday School" classrooms named after Darwin and Bertrand Russell.

Personally I am averse to bullshit regardless of its source.

It's sickly amusing to see schisms within atheism. WTF?

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The whole truth



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(Permalink) Posted: July 11 2012,21:27   

Quote (Badger3k @ July 11 2012,16:02)
Quote (The whole truth @ July 11 2012,17:45)
Today is the first time I've looked at this thread for awhile and from what I see (and from a few links I followed) PZ Meyers is still being a hypocritical jerk that needs to get over himself, the feminazis are still feminazis (Hey, if the shoe fits....), the hysteria/paranoia being spewed by PZ, his sycophants, and the feminazis is way out of control, and ftb is trying hard to be like UD in their blocking and banning actions. So much for 'free thought'.

And one more thing before I go back to ridiculing IDiots:

What's with all the "culture", "community", "commune" bullshit about atheists? I'm an atheist, but not because some other people are atheists, and I'm not a member of some atheist community, culture, or commune. I think for myself and don't need to be a member of some so-called culture, commune, or community to do so.

The PZ and Rebecca Watson type of atheists are in some ways feeding the claim by religious zealots that atheism is a religion.



ETA: fixed a typo

I think part of it (other than egos) goes back to the "dictionary atheist" fiasco where PZ links atheism with a whole host of other things, and those who just have a lack of belief in gods can go F'-themselves, IIRC.  All I really remember was reading his posts and scratching my head saying WTF?  Now, to be an atheist, we have to be in a "movement", and "atheism = social justice" (which is defined by them only).  I think John Loftus has it far more accurate, with atheist communities.  Being an atheist doesn't mean you have to believe the same things, or want to work for some narrow ideology to the exclusion of other things.

Good, thought provoking points.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 11 2012,21:42   

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all alone and no way to come out.


Coming out is overrated in my opinion. Except for the internet, I keep my opinions to myself. I have never failed to regret expressing my true feelings. Except for my wife of 42years, and to some extent my children, I don't know of anyone who can listen to my philosophical drivel without becoming hostile.

I had a boss one time who quoted one of my opinions in a performance review as an example of how unethical I am.  People can suck in so many ways.

I have-never met anyone whose theology or political persuasion made any difference in their personal behavior.   It's all compartmentalized. I just can't get excited abut "ideas" except as entertainment.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 11 2012,22:16   

Quote (midwifetoad @ July 11 2012,21:09)
There's always the Unitarians. My son lives in Manhattan and will need preschool and other social amenities. The Unitarians provide the social network without the theology.

In Brooklyn there's something called the Ethical Society. These folks have money.

In my (southern) hometown, the Unitarians have "Sunday School" classrooms named after Darwin and Bertrand Russell.

Personally I am averse to bullshit regardless of its source.

It's sickly amusing to see schisms within atheism. WTF?

I've got to admit I never understood that "atheist" or "free thought" Church idea - like that recent dustup by...someone I can't recall right now, although I did get his book from a friend and hadn't read it.  Hearing about atheist groups having "services" weekly in some Unitarian Church.  Why?

I know I'm not the most social person in the world - I spend all day with kids, so when I get done I want to be alone (or with very few friends).  I and my friends/family get together most weekends.  But going to some pseudo-religious ritual is just....weird.  It's like the atheists who like to go to Church.  Just don't understand.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 11 2012,22:31   

Quote (Badger3k @ July 11 2012,18:02)
   
Quote (The whole truth @ July 11 2012,17:45)
Today is the first time I've looked at this thread for awhile and from what I see (and from a few links I followed) PZ Meyers is still being a hypocritical jerk that needs to get over himself, the feminazis are still feminazis (Hey, if the shoe fits....), the hysteria/paranoia being spewed by PZ, his sycophants, and the feminazis is way out of control, and ftb is trying hard to be like UD in their blocking and banning actions. So much for 'free thought'.

And one more thing before I go back to ridiculing IDiots:

What's with all the "culture", "community", "commune" bullshit about atheists? I'm an atheist, but not because some other people are atheists, and I'm not a member of some atheist community, culture, or commune. I think for myself and don't need to be a member of some so-called culture, commune, or community to do so.

The PZ and Rebecca Watson type of atheists are in some ways feeding the claim by religious zealots that atheism is a religion.



ETA: fixed a typo

I think part of it (other than egos) goes back to the "dictionary atheist" fiasco where PZ links atheism with a whole host of other things, and those who just have a lack of belief in gods can go F'-themselves, IIRC.  All I really remember was reading his posts and scratching my head saying WTF?  Now, to be an atheist, we have to be in a "movement", and "atheism = social justice" (which is defined by them only).  I think John Loftus has it far more accurate, with atheist communities.  Being an atheist doesn't mean you have to believe the same things, or want to work for some narrow ideology to the exclusion of other things.

I still refuse to sport that "Atheist A" on my blog, FB page, or to buy the keychain, or any of that crap. I'm not going to wear a brand - I'm not a Coca Cola can, or Hester Prynne!

I'm actually a very natural woman. In fact, it would probably surprise all the folks at UD if they met me and found out what a truly simple person I am. The whole "atheist movement" shenanigans reminds me of a Woody Allen film (esp. during his Mia Farrow era).

Now, I'm like Hesse's Siddhartha, sitting next to my pond, watching the ducklings. :)

I just joined a community of people devoted to an actor that I love, an unjustly underrated British actor who has a greater following the UK than here in the States (where I don't know anyone else who is a fan of his). I knew that this actor was dead, but did not know until a few weeks ago that he had actually committed suicide, and I was heartbroken to learn this. :(

Not much is known about this actor's life, and I fear that if I do not try to find more information, his death will overshadow his accomplishments. Some members of this group have managed to collect a few oral histories. Today, I was thinking of the Osiris cult, in which ancient Egyptians built little shrines all over ancient Egypt whenever a piece of their severed god Osiris was found, and if this was not similar to a modern group of fans trying to find little bits of this actor's life. :)

I suspect that we're all pagans underneath, not necessarily atheists (although some may be born atheists - I may have been born one), and not naturally monotheists. I wonder how atheists fare in polytheistic cultures, or if the definition of atheism changes.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 12 2012,04:23   

Quote (Kattarina98 @ July 11 2012,04:40)
Quote (Bob O'H @ July 11 2012,03:49)
Can anyone point me to a good summary of this FTBullies spat? I caught some of it, but was away doing (well, talking about) Science last week, so I think I missed the fun.

Sorry, I can't provide an unbiased summary, but here are what I think the relevant blog posts:

Thunderfoot's offending post:
http://tinyurl.com/d774xp9....d774xp9


PZ's answer:
http://tinyurl.com/7q2jnkt....7q2jnkt


Thunderfoot's following posts:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/thunder....derf00t

Ed Brayton announcing TF's banning:
http://tinyurl.com/c5x2k3n....c5x2k3n

My biased opinion:
Excluding someone for bad behaviour is a bit rich - at PZ's blog bad behaviour is deemed a virtue. Remember Gelatigate when Lizzie got attacked for tone trolling simply because her comments were not foulmouthed?

That said, I think Thunderfoot didn't quite get the issue at hand.

Edit: I'm pulling a bornagain77 now, but this video is doing a good job at evaluating what has happened.

Oops, forgot to link to the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v....re=plcp

Ah, thanks. So, just more of the same. More and more I think the FTB-type atheist community is one I want to have nothing to do with: it just seems to have an unpleasant atmosphere (yeah, I've been called a creationist troll on Pharyngula, too).

I'll have to watch the video later - I'm listening to a Gil Dodgen playing a piano instead.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 12 2012,09:34   

I wonder how many of us have been called trolls on pharyngula simply for expressing a shade of gray.

I agree with PZ most of the time, or at least think he is in the same universe as I am, but the comments on his site are both useless and distressing. Nothing like the comments at Panda's Thumb, which are mostly well reasoned and gentlemanly.

I am allergic to bannings. I lurk here specifically because no one has ever been banned for expressing unpopular ideas.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 12 2012,09:39   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v....-v4VTxw

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(Permalink) Posted: July 12 2012,09:51   

Quote (Richardthughes @ July 12 2012,16:39)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v....-v4VTxw

Spinal Tap? Really? Are you baiting me?

Also, fuck the FC5 (6)*






*Fainting Couch 5 (Myers, Zvan, Benson, Lousy Canuck, Greta Cristina). They used to be 6, but Laden has been kicked out for menacing physical threats towards Justin Griffith. Rumours have it he should be back to FTB after the summer. Don't know how they're gonna rationalize that shit.

Edit: changing "Great" back to "Greta".

Edited by Schroedinger's Dog on July 12 2012,16:53

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(Permalink) Posted: July 12 2012,12:02   

Quote (The whole truth @ July 11 2012,18:05)
Quote (midwifetoad @ July 11 2012,11:37)
OK, it's me. This is the second time FireFox has decided that the main page should open on the highest numbered page. I keep forgetting that the lowest number is the most recent on the main page, and the highest number is most recent on all the other forums.

This only happens on FireFox.

I recently switched from Firefox to Google Chrome, and what a difference. Chrome is WAY faster and gives me a lot less trouble overall. What I don't like though is that I haven't been able to find an ad blocker for Chrome yet.

Adblock Plus with a subscription to EasyListUSA works pretty well for me.

I had it installed in Firefox when I was using that, and I was tickled to find out there was a Chrome version.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 12 2012,12:38   

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Laden has been kicked out for menacing physical threats


That's certainly reasonable. I suppose this isn't discussed for fear of libel. Of course some prolific posters make at least five physical threats a day. Whether they are taken seriously seems to depend of other evidence of insanity, not including stupidity.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 12 2012,15:17   

Quote (midwifetoad @ July 12 2012,19:38)
 
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Laden has been kicked out for menacing physical threats


That's certainly reasonable. I suppose this isn't discussed for fear of libel. Of course some prolific posters make at least five physical threats a day. Whether they are taken seriously seems to depend of other evidence of insanity, not including stupidity.

Have I been banned here? I can't post anything. Forum says I posted too many images (I posted none in my answer)

Edit, I'll try to put the body of ,my comment in edit:

These days I don't care as much as I used to. I have health problems to deal with, and they take enough of my time that I can't even write songs properly anymore.

Still, the FC5 (6) write their own narrative, and to some extent, their own grave. It's really uncanny, as if they think it's impossible to record and read whatever they have written before, or the posts they deleted.

I may pull a ########### and prophesize FTB will be short lived as far as credibility goes. And going after Paula Kirby? Very bad move...

Edit: first time this ever happened, but the forum says I posted more images than I was allowed to, even though I didn't post any image in this comment. Wes, help?


Interesting, N.ostradamus seems censored here. Thanks Mabuze?

Edited by Schroedinger's Dog on July 12 2012,22:20

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(Permalink) Posted: July 12 2012,15:31   

Hi SD, I'm glad you posted; I've missed you. And I'm really, really sorry to hear about your bad health. At times like these I wished I were religious - I could pray for you and be comforted to know that I did something essential for you.

My best wishes anyway.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 12 2012,16:27   

I'm not sure it the whole thing has burned itself out or the FTBullies meme has bitten but they seem to be more on the defensive and spending a lot of time posting about other stuff.

I don't think that FTB will die as there are a few interesting writers there but I think that new quality bloggers will think twice about joining.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 12 2012,21:56   

Sorry to hear that SD!

I hope things get better.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 12 2012,22:16   

Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ July 12 2012,15:17)
 
Quote (midwifetoad @ July 12 2012,19:38)
   
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Laden has been kicked out for menacing physical threats


That's certainly reasonable. I suppose this isn't discussed for fear of libel. Of course some prolific posters make at least five physical threats a day. Whether they are taken seriously seems to depend of other evidence of insanity, not including stupidity.

Have I been banned here? I can't post anything. Forum says I posted too many images (I posted none in my answer)

Edit, I'll try to put the body of ,my comment in edit:

These days I don't care as much as I used to. I have health problems to deal with, and they take enough of my time that I can't even write songs properly anymore.

Still, the FC5 (6) write their own narrative, and to some extent, their own grave. It's really uncanny, as if they think it's impossible to record and read whatever they have written before, or the posts they deleted.

I may pull a ########### and prophesize FTB will be short lived as far as credibility goes. And going after Paula Kirby? Very bad move...

Edit: first time this ever happened, but the forum says I posted more images than I was allowed to, even though I didn't post any image in this comment. Wes, help?


Interesting, N.ostradamus seems censored here. Thanks Mabuze?

You're not banned here! The same thing just happened to me.

Sorry to hear about your health! Take care.

Edited by Kristine on July 12 2012,22:17

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(Permalink) Posted: July 13 2012,03:49   

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I wonder how atheists fare in polytheistic cultures, or if the definition of atheism changes.

There's always India, where there have long been tensions between a polytheistic religion and a monotheistic one. Religions seem to become (or perhaps always are) signifiers of tribal identity, so an atheist is almost by definition an apostate. (Consider the old Belfast joke: "But is he a Catholic atheist or a Protestant one?")*

And then there is Socrates, who was sentenced to die for (among other things) "denying the gods of the city", though it strikes me that they would just as likely have strung him up for littering or double parking if they could have.





* Another venerable Belfast joke: Two ducks are swimming along Belfast Lough, and one says "Quack quack!". The other replies "Ay'm gawn iz quack iz ay cawn!"

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(Permalink) Posted: July 13 2012,07:02   

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I'm not sure it the whole thing has burned itself out or the FTBullies meme has bitten but they seem to be more on the defensive and spending a lot of time posting about other stuff.

I don't think that FTB will die as there are a few interesting writers there but I think that new quality bloggers will think twice about joining.

FTB, in and of itself, is not a bad place. There are extremely good bloggers over there, and I enjoy reading their stuff a lot. But there are the FC5 (6), and these are a real problem, not only for FTB, but for the atheist/skeptic movement at large.

The only positive thing I can say about them is that they have very good entertainment value, just like UD, in a sense.

Thanks everyone for the health wishes. For the sake of clarification and to take away any worries you may have: I suffer from a rare form of Ménière's disease, which actively is calcifying my inner ear. I subsequently get vertigos and nausea, leading me on a bad day to puke about 20 times between waking up and going to bed. This, in turn, leads to heavy dehydration, which takes a heavy toll on my kidneys. Last week alone, I was on the verge of getting a dialysis for what seems to be turning into a fully blasted nephritis.

TL;DR: it sucks!

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(Permalink) Posted: July 13 2012,08:18   

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I'm not sure it the whole thing has burned itself out or the FTBullies meme has bitten but they seem to be more on the defensive and spending a lot of time posting about other stuff.

I don't think that FTB will die as there are a few interesting writers there but I think that new quality bloggers will think twice about joining.

FTB, in and of itself, is not a bad place. There are extremely good bloggers over there, and I enjoy reading their stuff a lot. But there are the FC5 (6), and these are a real problem, not only for FTB, but for the atheist/skeptic movement at large.

The only positive thing I can say about them is that they have very good entertainment value, just like UD, in a sense.

Thanks everyone for the health wishes. For the sake of clarification and to take away any worries you may have: I suffer from a rare form of Ménière's disease, which actively is calcifying my inner ear. I subsequently get vertigos and nausea, leading me on a bad day to puke about 20 times between waking up and going to bed. This, in turn, leads to heavy dehydration, which takes a heavy toll on my kidneys. Last week alone, I was on the verge of getting a dialysis for what seems to be turning into a fully blasted nephritis.

TL;DR: it sucks!

One of the problems is their feed - I normally only read a few blogs (like Carrier's), and skim the rest through their main feed.  Only thing is, their main feed is mostly the FC5 - when I go to Carrier, I see a bunch of names on the sidebar who supposedly blog at FTB, but I never see a post on the main feed (and thus I completely ignore them).  The big names, the ones causing the shitestorm (and therefore getting the most hits and most money) are the ones highlighted, and that's usually the FC5/6.  To me that just taints by association the rest (like the Token Skeptic - ironic name considering).  Kylie Sturgess does a fantastic job (hope I spelled that correctly) in skepticism, and it's sad that she's caught up in what really amounts to as collateral damage and friendly fire.

It doesn't help when you have people banned after posting a comment asking for evidence (or in the latest, being asked to give evidence that Paula Kirby is not anti-feminist, then being banned before any more comments could be made).  Where have we seen that behavior before?  How is such behavior consistent with freethought?  On the one hand, it is amusing in the UD sense, but it's also sad and pathetic - these should be at least nominally "us" and not "them".

ETA - I have to say that my first point might be because they never post where the post is coming from in the main feed (unlike scienceblogs).  However, most of the ones I do skim over are from the main offenders, and if the others are from the rest of the participants in the FTB list, I have to admit that they don't write about anything I'm interested in.

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Kattarina98



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(Permalink) Posted: July 13 2012,09:58   

Hi Schroedinger's Dog, I hope you are strong enough to celebrate.




@ Badger3k:  
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It doesn't help when you have people banned after posting a comment asking for evidence (or in the latest, being asked to give evidence that Paula Kirby is not anti-feminist, then being banned before any more comments could be made).


Did this happen recently?    O_O

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(Permalink) Posted: July 13 2012,10:49   

Quote (Kattarina98 @ July 13 2012,15:58)
Hi Schroedinger's Dog, I hope you are strong enough to celebrate.




@ Badger3k:  
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It doesn't help when you have people banned after posting a comment asking for evidence (or in the latest, being asked to give evidence that Paula Kirby is not anti-feminist, then being banned before any more comments could be made).


Did this happen recently?    O_O

Kattarina, you've shown him looking the wrong way! He's French fercryinoutloud!

SD: Desolé to hear of your troubles. Best wishes for a speedy recovery, or at least an opportunity to take out your feelings on a passing astrologer/creationist/homeopath.

A goat shall be sacrificed for your intentions.

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Schroedinger's Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: July 13 2012,11:03   

LEAVE THE GOAT ALONE!!! poor thing...

I will stay home for July 14th, maybe go to the beach with Ali for the fireworks. Seing the Terror that followed the Prise de la Bastille, I'm still not really sure I want to celebrate the French Revolution.

Unrelated, I'll leave this latest Thunderf00t video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v....mbedded

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(Permalink) Posted: July 13 2012,11:23   

If misery loives company...

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Possible cases
Marilyn Monroe, American actress and cultural icon was known to experience the vertigo and compromised hearing associated with Ménière’s.

Charles Darwin may have suffered from Ménière’s disease.
This idea is based on a common list of symptoms which were present in Darwin's case, such as tinnitus, vertigo, dizziness, motion sickness, vomiting, continual malaise and tiredness. The absence of hearing loss and 'fullness' of the ear (as far as known) excludes, however, a diagnosis of typical Ménière’s disease. Darwin himself had the opinion that most of his health problems had an origin in his 4-year bout with sea sickness. Later, he could not stand traveling by carriage, and only horse riding would not affect his health. One of the diagnoses that he received from his physicians at the time was that of "suppressed gout". The source of Darwin's illness is not known for certain. See Charles Darwin's health.

Martin Luther wrote in letters about the distresses of vertigo, and suspected Satan was the cause.


I have hearing loss in one ear, but I can only try to imagine what you are going trough.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 13 2012,11:32   

Alan Shepard (first American in space) was grounded for many years due to Ménière's. Thanks to a certain Dr House (no kidding), he was finally able to be Mission Commander on Apollo 14, granting us with the famous Golf Strike before he got back in the Lunar Module.

But the surgery he got has a 50/50 chance of rendering the patient deaf in one or both ears. As stated before, I won't take that risk until it's really nescessary....

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(Permalink) Posted: July 13 2012,11:34   

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OK, it's me. This is the second time FireFox has decided that the main page should open on the highest numbered page. I keep forgetting that the lowest number is the most recent on the main page, and the highest number is most recent on all the other forums.

This only happens on FireFox.

I recently switched from Firefox to Google Chrome, and what a difference. Chrome is WAY faster and gives me a lot less trouble overall. What I don't like though is that I haven't been able to find an ad blocker for Chrome yet.

Adblock Plus with a subscription to EasyListUSA works pretty well for me.

I had it installed in Firefox when I was using that, and I was tickled to find out there was a Chrome version.

I'll check it out. Thanks.

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