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keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 20 2012,15:49   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 20 2012,13:45)
Now why didn't he just say that at TSZ, where it could have been discussed?

That's a rhetorical question, right?

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Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 20 2012,16:27   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 20 2012,16:45)
Having bailed out of the thread where he promised answers, Upright opines on a new thread:

 
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Upright BiPed August 20, 2012 at 2:19 pm

A Gene,

   …the only evidence put forward “for” ID is that evolution doesn’t explain something: there is no positive evidence for ID in the natural world.

Demonstrating what evolution cannot do is not the test standard created by IDist, that standard was set by Charles Darwin himself:

VI. Difficulties of the Theory

“If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down”.

- – - – - – - –

Now, what Darwin did was to propose the impossible as a test of his theory (one cannot prove that something didn’t happen), so such a test is not viable for the modern materialist ideologue who will never accept any amount of contrary evidence (effectively isolating the theory of disconfirmation). Such a test would have only been meaningful for the rational colleagues Darwin was speaking to in his day.

In the meantime, IDist have shown a biosystem that could not have developed in incremental steps, and in the process have fulfilled one of their predictions.


Now why didn't he just say that at TSZ, where it could have been discussed? Or on the the mphillips thread?

edit to add link

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-430623

From this:
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If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down.

Upright BiPed gets this:
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Now, what Darwin did was to propose the impossible as a test of his theory (one cannot prove that something didn’t happen)

But then immediately claims this:
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In the meantime, IDist have shown a biosystem that could not have developed in incremental steps, and in the process have fulfilled one of their predictions.

Which is exactly what he said was impossible based on his failure to comprehend Darwin's very clear prose.

I think I see why he didn't post that on TSZ.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 20 2012,16:29   

Quote (Dr.GH @ Aug. 20 2012,15:05)
Quote (REC @ Aug. 19 2012,19:55)
Oshit-

Sals gone and started a tard fight royale:

Link

Responses are predictably hilarious. I feel bad for Sal. It has to hurt to have a shred of knowledge, and realize most of your side are liars with knowledge, or the faithful without. If he pulls back the curtain any more.....

You made me look!

Me too!  But I really wanted one of my old socks to contribute to the discussion, but couldn't log on.  

Oh, UD - We could have had SOOOO much fun together...

Maybe next time.

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Glen Davidson



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 20 2012,23:12   

An example of how stupid one has to be to believe in ID (Barry A) under the title My Wife: Sixth Grade Teacher and Design Detection Practitioner (Prize Offered) (title bit added in edit):

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In honor of the start of school, today’s assignment for the class is to show rigorously why an appeal to chance for even a relatively short duplicate sentence is unavailing for the kid.


So now that we've established the certainty that derivation can be determined by comparing similarity...uh...design.

Damned atheists and their genomics projects.  You can't show that similarity proves derivation unless, well, it's written text.  Every IDiot knows that.

Glen Davidson

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Amadan



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2012,02:50   

How long until newly revealed Scripture gets a mention?

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Soapy Sam



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2012,06:50   

Quote (REC @ Aug. 19 2012,21:55)
Oshit-

Sals gone and started a tard fight royale:

Link

Responses are predictably hilarious. I feel bad for Sal. It has to hurt to have a shred of knowledge, and realize most of your side are liars with knowledge, or the faithful without. If he pulls back the curtain any more.....

'tembew'

 
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Neither science nor simple reasoning can convince evolutionists. I doubt their minds will ever change. We need to reach the children and teach them how to think so that this failure of a theory can be gotten rid of.

Just a little sinister - reach the children and teach them how to think???

eta: Later That Same Evening:
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The same way I think students should be taught how to think with evolution (so they can understand where scientists who accept it have gone wrong and improve on that).


Edited by Soapy Sam on Aug. 21 2012,06:56

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2012,08:49   

I've been known to ask just exactly what it is that would be taught if ID proponentsists could write the curriculum.

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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2012,09:10   

Quote (Soapy Sam @ Aug. 21 2012,14:50)
Quote (REC @ Aug. 19 2012,21:55)
Oshit-

Sals gone and started a tard fight royale:

Link

Responses are predictably hilarious. I feel bad for Sal. It has to hurt to have a shred of knowledge, and realize most of your side are liars with knowledge, or the faithful without. If he pulls back the curtain any more.....

'tembew'

 
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Neither science nor simple reasoning can convince evolutionists. I doubt their minds will ever change. We need to reach the children and teach them how to think so that this failure of a theory can be gotten rid of.

Just a little sinister - reach the children and teach them how to think???

eta: Later That Same Evening:
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The same way I think students should be taught how to think with evolution (so they can understand where scientists who accept it have gone wrong and improve on that).

Yup.

ID it's a cult.

We'll see if Sal breaks out, fingers crossed ...go Sal!

Barry is the King of fools.

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Zachriel



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2012,11:16   

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Scordova: I call someone out who is supposedly an ambassador for Christian creationists for using drivel in their arguments.

Poor scordova. He might find himself abandoned, if he doesn't drop his heresy. Hold fast, scordova!

If in that dire situation, we hope we would have to courage to stay true to our principles, to state plainly the facts as we know them, even if it meant we might be banished to some internet backwater awash in the refugee flotsam and jetsam of the balmy climes of Uncommon Descent, the savage beaches inhabited by bizarre misfits and eccentric malcontents, the cold emptiness filled with rambling echos of wave after wave of uncommon tard...



Oh.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2012,11:35   

Sal is building his own blog. The one true and less terrible argument regarding design.

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Robin



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2012,11:39   

Quote (REC @ Aug. 19 2012,21:55)
Oshit-

Sals gone and started a tard fight royale:

Link

Responses are predictably hilarious. I feel bad for Sal. It has to hurt to have a shred of knowledge, and realize most of your side are liars with knowledge, or the faithful without. If he pulls back the curtain any more.....

Well it seems that Sal being the poster boy for the "only sane man" didn't last long:

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The ID community, in terms of its leadership, make very few technical errors and almost no major errors in terms of basic science.


LOL! Right Sal! That's all the more funny given the thread. Seriously Sal, have you no irony meter?

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tsig



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2012,15:50   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 18 2012,19:10)
I suspect alcohol involvement.

I'll drink to that.

  
J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2012,16:19   

Quote (Zachriel @ Aug. 21 2012,11:16)
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Scordova: I call someone out who is supposedly an ambassador for Christian creationists for using drivel in their arguments.

Poor scordova. He might find himself abandoned, if he doesn't drop his heresy. Hold fast, scordova!

If in that dire situation, we hope we would have to courage to stay true to our principles, to state plainly the facts as we know them, even if it meant we might be banished to some internet backwater awash in the refugee flotsam and jetsam of the balmy climes of Uncommon Descent, the savage beaches inhabited by bizarre misfits and eccentric malcontents, the cold emptiness filled with rambling echos of wave after wave of uncommon tard...



Oh.

POTW!!!  Excellent, though a touch long for a sig line!

And in a Perfectly Designed World, I would be able to use this as a Posting Name at UD! :)


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If in that dire situation, we hope we would have to courage to stay true to our principles, to state plainly the facts as we know them, even if it meant we might be banished to some internet backwater awash in the refugee flotsam and jetsam of the balmy climes of Uncommon Descent, the savage beaches inhabited by bizarre misfits and eccentric malcontents, the cold emptiness filled with rambling echos of wave after wave of uncommon tard...


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UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
tsig



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2012,16:36   

Quote (REC @ Aug. 19 2012,21:55)
Oshit-

Sals gone and started a tard fight royale:

Link

Responses are predictably hilarious. I feel bad for Sal. It has to hurt to have a shred of knowledge, and realize most of your side are liars with knowledge, or the faithful without. If he pulls back the curtain any more.....

Looks like Sal intends to poach off a few  UD posters:

Good idea. It will likely be done at another website that I’m constructing where technical conversations can take place and by people more qualified than I. For example, I know a Princeton trained PhD who has been published in the Journal Nature who would be delighted to write about it. :-)

The website is under construction, but for those interested in technical discussion, here are some drafts (I emphasize drafts) of some of the sort of work that will appear there:

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2012,18:05   

Sal laments:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-430642

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But don’t you see, we creationists suffer as a group by the misdeeds of a few. We all are being laughed in part because of Hovind. We can’t always stop the behavior of others, but it is distressing that Hovind, like Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker, kept getting away with what he was doing. Now like Jim Bakker, he’s now in jail.

But this can be corrected not by policing people, but by teaching real science to creationists so that people like Hovind won’t have such a large audience….


Hang on, "Slimey Sal" you're one of "the few" you quote-mining gimp.

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2012,22:53   

Gil:
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The idea of sex with any other woman than my wife — to whom I have been married for almost 36 years, and who is the mother of my two beloved daughters — is utterly repulsive to me.

No doubt the feelings are mutual.

Edited by Reciprocating Bill on Aug. 21 2012,23:55

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

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NormOlsen



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2012,22:56   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Aug. 21 2012,22:53)
Gil:
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The idea of sex with any other woman than my wife — to whom I have been married for almost 36 years, and who is the mother of my two beloved daughters — is utterly repulsive to me.

No doubt the feelings are mutual.

Crap, where's the "like" button?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2012,23:04   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Aug. 21 2012,22:53)
Gil:
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The idea of sex with any other woman than my wife — to whom I have been married for almost 36 years, and who is the mother of my two beloved daughters — is utterly repulsive to me.

No doubt the feelings are mutual.

Another guy in a frilly shirt, though...

Glen Davidson

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2012,23:29   

Joe is busy again claiming petrushka is mphillips. The morons at UD could check this pretty easily.

If there's anyone left who doesn't know, I am petrushka. I have never registered or posted at UD under any other name. I would be seriously pissed if mphillips got banned for anything I said or did.

But it is rather gratifying to have proof that design detection fails. Barry should know all about false identification, as a lawyer. But having been on a jury, Barry strikes me as more of a failed prosecutor. The kind who is certain he has the best explanation for the lack of evidence.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2012,23:50   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 21 2012,23:29)
Joe is busy again claiming petrushka is mphillips. The morons at UD could check this pretty easily.

If there's anyone left who doesn't know, I am petrushka. I have never registered or posted at UD under any other name. I would be seriously pissed if mphillips got banned for anything I said or did.

But it is rather gratifying to have proof that design detection fails. Barry should know all about false identification, as a lawyer. But having been on a jury, Barry strikes me as more of a failed prosecutor. The kind who is certain he has the best explanation for the lack of evidence.

Given that Joe can't tell his arse from his elbow, I doubt anyone is suprised. Now if he ever got anything right....

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2012,00:19   

UpRight:
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Kinvadren,

I hope you’ll consider hanging around and becoming more aquainted with ID’s discipline with regard to claims and evidence.
Yes, do.

Ask KF about Weasel and latching.

Link

Edited by CeilingCat on Aug. 22 2012,00:19

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2012,00:23   

Ooh!  Ooh!!  Another one!!
Kinvadren  
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Richard Dawkins is a good example of a person lacking some important science knowledge and a substantial amount of credibility, and for all the professionals that DO point this out, it certainly hasn’t buried him alive.


One message down from the last one.

This is truly the thread that keeps on giving.  Thanks, Sal!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2012,00:35   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Aug. 21 2012,22:53)
Gil:
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The idea of sex with any other woman than my wife — to whom I have been married for almost 36 years, and who is the mother of my two beloved daughters — is utterly repulsive to me.

No doubt the feelings are mutual.

Bill - how could you leave out the rest of that post? I was totally unaware that Gil is in fact a reformed 'devout atheist'. It's rare to see Gil taking a break from well argued and supported scientific critiques to share his personal journey.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2012,00:41   

Bonus:

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If it had not been for C.S. Lewis, a Christian friend, the ID movement, and You Know Who, I might have condemned my children to a lifetime of darkness, as promoted by people like Richard Dawkins.


Here's my guesses for "You Know Who":

1) Liberace
2) Unnamed designer
3) Mr. Leathers
4) The guy that makes ladies blouses in men's sizes

HALP!

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2012,01:21   

He Who Must Not Be Named.

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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2012,05:04   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 22 2012,09:21)
He Who Must Not Be Named.

OK while were here

Don't mention the love that must not be named...


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THE LOVE THAT DARES SPEAK ITS NAME
By James Kirkup
.
As they took him from the cross
I, the centurion, took him in my arms-
the tough lean body
of a man no longer young,
beardless, breathless,
but well hung.
.
He was still warm.
While they prepared the tomb
I kept guard over him.
His mother and the Magdalen
had gone to fetch clean linen
to shroud his nakedness.
.
I was alone with him.
For the last time
I kissed his mouth. My tongue
found his, bitter with death.
I licked his wound-
the blood was harsh
For the last time
I laid my lips around the tip
of that great cock, the instrument
of our salvation, our eternal joy.
The shaft, still throbbed, anointed
with death's final ejaculation
.
I knew he'd had it off with other men-
with Herod's guards, with Pontius Pilate,
With John the Baptist, with Paul of Tarsus
with foxy Judas, a great kisser, with
the rest of the Twelve, together and apart.
He loved all men, body, soul and spirit. - even me.
.
So now I took off my uniform, and, naked,
lay together with him in his desolation,
caressing every shadow of his cooling flesh,
hugging him and trying to warm him back to life.
Slowly the fire in his thighs went out,
while I grew hotter with unearthly love.
It was the only way I knew to speak our love's proud name,
to tell him of my long devotion, my desire, my dread-
something we had never talked about. My spear, wet with blood,
his dear, broken body all open wounds,
and in each wound his side, his back,
his mouth - I came and came and came
.
as if each coming was my last.
And then the miracle possessed us.
I felt him enter into me, and fiercely spend
his spirit's finbal seed within my hole, my soul,
pulse upon pulse, unto the ends of the earth-
he crucified me with him into kingdom come.
.
-This is the passionate and blissful crucifixion
same-sex lovers suffer, patiently and gladly.
They inflict these loving injuries of joy and grace
one upon the other, till they dies of lust and pain
within the horny paradise of one another's limbs,
with one voice cry to heaven in a last divine release.
.
Then lie long together, peacefully entwined, with hope
of resurrection, as we did, on that green hill far away.
But before we rose again, they came and took him from me.
They knew no what we had done, but felt
no shame or anger. Rather they were gald for us,
and blessed us, as would he, who loved all men.
.
And after three long, lonely days, like years,
in which I roamed the gardens of my grief
seeking for him, my one friend who had gone from me,
he rose from sleep, at dawn, and showed himself to me before
all others. And took me to him with
the love that now forever dares to speak its name


Fitting really.

Homo erotocism and teh Designer seem to go together.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2012,05:36   

Quote (CeilingCat @ Aug. 22 2012,00:19)
UpRight:        
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Kinvadren,

I hope you’ll consider hanging around and becoming more aquainted with ID’s discipline with regard to claims and evidence.
Yes, do.

Ask KF about Weasel and latching.

Link

Kinvadren (link above)

     
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When you guys ran through that series of user banning about logical fallacies in arguments considering the moon as existing or not existing I laughed so hard as it played out. It was hilarious to watch! Maybe over the top. But still very funny and classic!


I'd love to ask him about this paragraph, which sits rather oddly within his longer comment. However, I'm banned (I was never even canvassed for my opinion on the moon!). So I'll ask rhetorical questions here instead. Why was it hilarious? I found it hilarious too, but I suspect for different reasons. Was it because you loved seeing people who know something of the field within which ID wishes to operate being frog-marched out the door en masse? ID wants to be taken seriously as science, but refuses to debate on the science, unless it chooses the venue, packs the room and escorts all but a handful of critics from the premises. Way to be taken seriously!

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2012,05:55   

hey, where you all going? Come back here and eat your liver...

mphillips may have backed away slowly, fumbling for the door-handle, in the face of the usual KF (1-25) -> F/N-fest. KF declares himself, once again, the victor. Cock, a-doodle, and doo.

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SoapySam is a pathetic asswiper. Joe G

BTW, when you make little jabs like “I thought basic logic was one thing UDers could handle,” you come off looking especially silly when you turn out to be wrong. - Barry Arrington

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2012,06:01   

Quote (Soapy Sam @ Aug. 22 2012,05:55)
hey, where you all going? Come back here and eat your liver...

mphillips may have backed away slowly, fumbling for the door-handle, in the face of the usual KF (1-25) -> F/N-fest. KF declares himself, once again, the victor. Cock, a-doodle, and doo.

Upright backs away from his own challenge, nobody says a word.

mphillips does not post for two days, KF declares victory.

Point proven I strongly suspect.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2012,07:21   

As for the drive by slander attack, Mr Focus, Petrushka was silently banned for two years for the crime of disagreeing with UD's Patrick (not ATBC's Patrick). Placed on moderation for six months for questioning Mr Focus on a point of history. And banned again for answering a question truthfully.

None of these incidents involved calling anyone dickface, as Joe routinely does. I have never registered under a new name to bypass moderation, as Joseph/Joe did.

So, Mr Focus, why do you count among your closest friends someone who uses the coarsest epithets routinely, someone who violated your website's rules and remains in good standing. Just curious about your personsal moral integrity. You are Joe. UD is Joe. Joe is the public face of Intelligent Design.

It amuses me to see UD routinely keep the worst and least logical people and drive away anyone who posts honesr dissent. It's uncommenly amusing. It's why we laugh at you, why the courts continue to laugh at you, and why ID remains a crank ideology.

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