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Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,11:49   

Quote (Texas Teach @ June 25 2008,11:23)
Post of the Week!

Sheer genius!

My personal favorite lines:
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Read it, read it with a goat.
Find the out-of-context quote.
Find the biblical footnote.
Then you'll know what floats my boat.


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keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,12:51   

Amadan,

That absolutely deserves a wider audience.  I've called it to PZ Myers' attention -- hope that's okay with you.

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,13:23   

Post of the year. Completely brilliant.

Robert 'Gloppy' Marks isn't fit to carry your Photoshop manual.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,14:31   

I wonder if there will ever come a day that Dembski's sycophantic readers actually grow tired of shelling out bucks for the same recycled, repackaged shit every year or so...

  
keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,15:50   

Quote (keiths @ June 25 2008,12:51)
Amadan,

That absolutely deserves a wider audience.  I've called it to PZ Myers' attention -- hope that's okay with you.

Amadan,

PZ linked to your masterpiece, but he doesn't mention your name.  Did you ask him to withhold it?

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Amadan



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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,16:25   

Nope, didn't contact him at all.

Do your good works by stealth, etc etc.

And thanks to all who made nice noises about it.

Looking at it again, I see lots of little mistakes to be tidied up. (Post-hoc editing, an AtBC tradition.)

Any suggestions/requests for further works of litterature?

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JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

   
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,17:55   

I've always had a problem with Green Eggs and Ham as a story. It depicts a person saying "NO!" again and again and again and again, being repeatedly ignored, and eventually surrendering due to weariness.

I'm not sure that's a message we want to send (ignore "no" and persist until you impose your wishes.)

(ETA: But Amadan, your adaptation is brilliant. In fact all your stuff is really great.) (But I liked your old shrugging priest avatar better)

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Patrick Caldon



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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,00:57   

The Green Eggs and Ham is brilliant.  Well done.

  
Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,01:22   

Quote (Amadan @ June 25 2008,11:42)
This is how you explain ID in plain language!

(Not sure if I've got the hang of the slideshow stuff yet, hope it works).





Indeed.

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Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

   
Patrick Caldon



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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,02:03   

I'm waiting for how long it takes a creo to

1) Notice this
2) Accuse the author of some kind of copyright violation
3) Fail to remember that the Expelled film use of "Imagine" got through on the same parody/criticism exception that would apply to this

My money's on 5 days.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,03:05   

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Post of the year. Completely brilliant.

That's getting closer to the correct assessment.

Maybe it's just me, but Dr. Seuss had always seemed to have a slightly sinister under-tone.  Of course, that makes Amadan's adaptationdesign even more appropriate.

Could The Very Hungry Caterpillar be done solely with cheesy poofs?

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Amadan



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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,03:52   

Quote (Bob O'H @ June 26 2008,03:05)
Could The Very Hungry Caterpillar be done solely with cheesy poofs?

Perhaps. Unfortunately, Ms O'Leary's legal advisers are proving difficult about an adaptation of My Pet Goat.


Edit Yadda yadda yadda

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"People are always looking for natural selection to generate random mutations" - Densye  4-4-2011
JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

   
Amadan



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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,04:08   

Photobucket seems to cause major problems for a lot of browsers, so I've rejigged the slide-show to run under Picasa, which works much better.

The Definitive Version (until the next one).

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"People are always looking for natural selection to generate random mutations" - Densye  4-4-2011
JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,11:01   

Outstanding!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,16:25   

Quote (Quidam @ June 17 2008,15:21)
How about this stretched cardigan?

Childish.

But what can one expect from a bunch of atheists and God deniers?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,16:34   

Atheists *AND* god deniers. My goodness. they're probably unchristian too*



*apart from the Christian ones.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,16:36   

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But what can one expect from a bunch of atheists and God deniers?

Hey now, the Reverend Ronald Simms is anything but a God denier.

  
lcd



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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,16:37   

How can one be Christian and believe in Evolution too?

Somethings don't go together.  NASCAR and Ballay, Real Science and Evolution.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,16:45   

Brace yourself for "No true christian/ Scotsman" folks.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,16:49   

Quote (lcd @ June 30 2008,14:37)
Somethings don't go together.  NASCAR and Ballay, Real Science and Evolution.

lcd and the English language.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,17:07   

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Somethings don't go together.  NASCAR and Ballay...


What a crushing example. I'm convinced.

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Quidam



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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,18:11   

Quote (lcd @ June 30 2008,15:25)
Childish.

But what can one expect from a bunch of atheists and God deniers?

Childish?  After the age of two and before 14, children aren't much interested in breasts.  

Anyway I'm assured she's 18 so it's not childish at all.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,18:34   

Quote (lcd @ June 30 2008,17:37)
How can one be Christian and believe in Evolution too?

Somethings don't go together.  NASCAR and Ballay, Real Science and Evolution.


Frags and Coop Dog Rates. Hot Dogs and Whores' Ovaries. Dictators and Lazy Fare Government. Avatars and Nom nom nom the Plump.  Shitters and Toilets.

A doo, dude.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,18:41   

uhh . . . lcd . . . Dembski pioneered childish tantrums . . . matter o'fact, he is often referred to as the "Dick Buttkiss of childish humor/tantrums". Some call him the Isaac Newton of Infantile Behavior. To further educate yourself on his childish tactics I suggest you read John Kwok's review of the new book. It gives a good overview. Or you can dig into the tard mines here at AtBC and find it all.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,19:10   

Quote (Richardthughes @ June 30 2008,14:34)
Atheists *AND* god deniers. My goodness. they're probably unchristian too*

Can one be an atheist but *not* a God denier?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,19:57   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ June 30 2008,16:34)
 
Quote (lcd @ June 30 2008,17:37)
How can one be Christian and believe in Evolution too?

Somethings don't go together.  NASCAR and Ballay, Real Science and Evolution.


Frags and Coop Dog Rates. Hot Dogs and Whores' Ovaries. Dictators and Lazy Fare Government. Avatars and Nom nom nom the Plump.  Shitters and Toilets.

Hookers 'n blow.

Oh, wait.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,20:28   

lcd is right. We do need real science like astrology (ala Behe) and weighing witches against ducks. We also need more real science like that presented in ID,s premiere journal which hasn’t published in almost three years.  And bacterial flagellums look like Mazda rotary engines. Now that’s science !

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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,20:30   

"Ballay"? WTF?

(ballay ballay ballay...)

Oh, BALLAY!!!! Duh.

And yet he spells "NASCAR" correctly. Go figure.

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lcd



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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,07:35   

Quote (dogdidit @ June 30 2008,20:30)
"Ballay"? WTF?

(ballay ballay ballay...)

Oh, BALLAY!!!! Duh.

And yet he spells "NASCAR" correctly. Go figure.

Yes, it's "Ballet".  As I said, I'll be running this thing through a spell checker so that doesn't happen.

As for NASCAR, well, I see it everyday.  Ballet, never.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,07:49   

skeptic, is that you?

<squints>

Ah hell who cares.

Fresh Tard

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Posted: 06/30/2008
Does McCain Believe in Evolution?
Sean McDowell

           President Bush set off a firestorm of controversy when he claimed, in a lighthearted conversation with a Texas journalist, that intelligent design out to be taught in public schools. He said, “I think that part of education is to expose people to different schools of thought, and I’m not suggesting—you’re asking me whether or not people ought to be exposed to different ideas, and the answer is yes.”[1]
           Bush’s comments set off such a firestorm that Time magazine shortly had a cover story entitled, “Evolution Wars” that discussed the merits of intelligent design (ID) as a scientific enterprise. The controversy has continued into this election process, as the Republican candidates were asked in a nationally televised debate in 2007 whether they believed in evolution. Former Governor Mike Huckabee, Representative Tom Tancredo, and Senator Sam Brownback, indicated that they did not. John McCain said that local school districts should have the final say as to what is taught in their communities.
           Two years earlier, however, McCain had given a more complete answer. He told the Arizona Daily Star that he believed intelligent design should be taught in schools: “I think there has to be all points of view presented. But they’ve got to be thoroughly presented. There’s nothing wrong with teaching different schools of thought.”[2]
           While issues such as oil prices, the economy, and Iran’s nuclear ambitions seem to be the leading issues on the national agenda, intelligent design promises to continue to be a significant issue in our cultural conversation. Intelligent design theorists continue to do ground-breaking research and the public is becoming more aware of the growing scientific case for design and the shallowness of Darwinian evolution.. The movie Expelled brought the lack of academic freedom to the forefront of cultural dialogue, and with the release of the DVD this fall, the controversy will only continue. Currently there are a number of court cases looming that will potentially bring academic freedom to our schools.
           Given the importance of this issue, it is more critical than ever that Christians be conversant on the merits of ID. This is why I recently wrote Understanding Intelligent Design (along with William Dembski), to help educate people regarding this critical issue. The Darwinists are mounting their troops like never before (especially since the 150 year anniversary of the release of The Origin of Species is coming up next year). We must be prepared. Thus, please check out the first chapter of Understanding Intelligent Design, which is posted online for free: www.conversantlife.com/understandingID.


Sean McDowell is a nationally recognized speaker. He graduated summa cum laude from Talbot Theological Seminary with a double Masters in Theology and Philosophy. He is the author of Understanding Intelligent Design and Ethix: Being Bold In A Whatever World.

[1] Matthew Cooper, “Fanning the Controversy over Intelligent Design,” Time, August 3, 2005.
[2] C.J. Karamargin, “McCain Sounds Like Presidential Hopeful,” Arizona Daily Star, August 24, 2005.
Distributed by www.ChristianWorldviewNetwork.com


Who wants to bet Mr McDowell doesn't 'understand intelligent design'?

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