Faid
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| Quote (The Ghost of Paley @ Jan. 13 2007,13:33) | | Quote | | Please tell me you are joking. |
I guess I'm still a little pissed about the whole situation.
It's certainly true that Dave had thousands of posts to make his point, an opportunity he proceeded to squander in an occasionally jaw-dropping fashion. It's also true that there were a lot of side issues involved. But Stevestory clearly stated that one of the reasons for removing Dave was he was tired of dealing with the sniping and possible defamation by PT contributors, and that he thought it made the anticreationist side look bad. He didn't punish the offenders, he PUNISHED DAVE. Now what kind of message does that send to the jackals?
By the way, the only reason I'm talking about these issues is because it's been brought up in several threads, so I assume that the normal restriction has been waived in this instance. Nevertheless, I'm not going to dwell on it anymore because it's not my site. The only vote that counts is Wes's, and he has made his decision. |
Sorry Ghost, I just don't get it.
Are you really saying that dave was PUNISHED for the mistakes of others? How can you (disengaged from your trolling persona, that is) say that with a straight face?
Dave has been here for months, falsely claiming that he was just an honest researcher who could be convinced by arguments and reason... and was allowed to argue for his "hypothesis for nearly 500 pages, when in other blogs his posts wouldn't even show up. Do you deny this?
He has spent all these months (instead of trying to conduct an actual honest debate), displaying a huge amount of combined ignorance and arrogance, as well as deliberate dishonesty. Do you deny this?
At the end of the thread, having exhausted his useless arsenal (and everyone's patience), he had resorted to trolling himself: Lying from one day to the other, claiming he answered questions, childish trolling of the "oh oh silly evos my sides hurt" variety, personal attacks specificaly against the scientists in this forums, questioning their expertise...
...He was trying to get banned to claim martyrdom, and it was obvious. Either way, he had ceased to even try and offer food for debate. Do you deny this?
All this triggered angry responses by many (including me, I have to admit), as was expected.
But tell me: What were Steve's options?
He could keep the thread going, pointless as it was, give dave even more special treatment than he was already receiving, and delete or edit improper comments- and that would create more discomfort, and the future of the thread (the thread with the greatest waste of bandwidth in the forum) would be nothing but a huge flame war with attacks against moderation. And dave would be snickering in the back.
Or, he could give dave what was long overdue to him. Close this humongous, evidently pointless thread, stop the uneeded turmoil, restore civility and let dave go be childish and arrogant somewhere else.
What would you do as a mod, Ghost?
And it's not just that: Even when he had no more choice as a moderator, Steve STILL was generous towards our last pet troll (after you came out  ): He gave him almost 300 posts to get out of his trolling loop, and present a subject for debate.
Dave could discuss the ice age, dinos and humans, any other point in his "hypothesis" he had not touched... Or he could at least pretend to try and answer all the questions that had piled up.
Instead, he spent that time babbling about dogs, AiG's profits and high-tech alien spaceships.
...And he eventually got what was coming to him. And not too soon.
No I know that I have repeatedly said that I wanted that thread to continue. BUT, I have also explained the reasons why; and they have nothing to do with HonestDave.
I enjoyed that thread because it served as a kickstart for me to remember much science I had forgotten, and learn much more that I never knew- just by trying to show dave what a clown he was being.
To that point, the thread served me well. But, in retrospect, I have to say that, if I was Steve, I would have to do what he did- and probably be more harsh about it.
What would you do, Ghost?
Because seriously, if you really think that someone PUNISHED dave, DAVE of all people, and you're not just putting us on again, then I will have even stronger doubts about your "coming out" than I had with your OOL thread.
And we both understand what that means.
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A look into DAVE HAWKINS' sense of honesty:
"The truth is that ALL mutations REDUCE information"
"...mutations can add information to a genome. And remember, I have never said that this is not possible."
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