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Posted: April 04 2007,19:47

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I suspect that Lenny et al. have given FtK plenty of ammunition so that she can now focus on how "offensive" we all are, and thus continue to ignore any and all substantive discussion of science.

I suspect that FTK would continue to focus on how "offensive" everyone is (like she did with her very first posts), and would continue to ignore any and all substantive discussion of science (like she said she would in her very first posts), even if I et al had never even been born. �(shrug)

I view FTK (and all the other IDers) as entertainment value. �Nothing more. �A few years ago, they were a serious threat, not to science, but to the very core of democracy. �Back then, it was worthwhile (indeed, vital)to fight them.

Now, they are just a sewing circle, and I am just laughing at their antics.

If you think you are going to change them with scientific discussion, well, good luck to you. �I've been fighting them for 25 years, and I never found "science" very useful to do it. �After all, this fight simply isn't about science -- none of the IDers were won to ID because of science, and none of them will be won AWAY from it because of science, either.

But by all means enjoy yourself trying. �

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Posted: April 04 2007,20:47

"I view FTK (and all the other IDers) as entertainment value. �Nothing more."

Jeez, Lenny, I was just thinking the same thing about this blog. �

I've been highly entertained the last couple days watching you guys act like complete goofballs. �Some of you are just weird, but a few of you are actually pretty funny.

But, Dave's right. �I really should be getting back to my own blog and work on my review of the Humes lecture.

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Posted: April 04 2007,20:49

Or, you can ask science questions of scientists, rather than theologians...

P.S - isn't it great how all your posts here go through, instantly?

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Posted: April 04 2007,20:53

Wouldn't discussions about actual science be kind of out of place in this forum? I don't see much serious stuff being discussed around here.

But, I can stick around and shoot the shit with ya for a while.

How old are you Richard? Just curious.

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Posted: April 04 2007,21:01

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Wouldn't discussions about actual science be kind of out of place in this forum? �I don't see much serious stuff being discussed around here. �

But, I can stick around and shoot the shit with ya for a while.

How old are you Richard? �Just curious.

I'm 33.

There are some very heavy hitters here from quite a broad array of sciences, I'm a, er, "captain of industry" myself but its crass to boast about ones achievements and even more crass to use paralepsis.

Seriously, feel free to ask any science questions. The guys and girls will try their best. You can can go down the "evolution can't explain XXXXX" road if you like. Just be mindful that ID doesn't explain anything

PS ARDEN IS GAY.

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Posted: April 04 2007,21:10

There are members of this forum who are biologists, physicists, geneticists, microbiologists, geologists, chemists, zoologists, engineers, programmers, a girl from the NIH...there are frigging linguists here, for chrissakes. We got everything. You wanna talk about a scientific question? Just ask. AFDave's been gone for like 2 months. We need a little scientific red meat to chew on.

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Posted: April 04 2007,21:11

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Jeez, Lenny

I, uh, asked you not to speak to me, since you've already made it clear that you're not willing to discuss anything substantive.

So please STFUAGA.

Thanks.

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Posted: April 04 2007,21:12

Isn't HeroIsReal a Numerologist?

*Braces for impact*

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Posted: April 04 2007,21:16

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Jeez, Lenny

I, uh, asked you not to speak to me, since you've already made it clear that you're not willing to discuss anything substantive.

So please STFUAGA.

Thanks.

"Oh - he's here now"

*places hand over phone mouthpiece*

Um, Lenny, it's the U.N. - they're asking if you could be a 'Goodwill Ambassador' and sort out this whole Middle East thing... Is that okay, or will it conflict with you teaching at charm school?

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Posted: April 04 2007,21:23

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There are members of this forum who are biologists, physicists, geneticists, microbiologists, geologists, chemists, zoologists, engineers, programmers, a girl from the NIH...there are frigging linguists here, for chrissakes. We got everything. You wanna talk about a scientific question? Just ask. AFDave's been gone for like 2 months. We need a little scientific red meat to chew on.

Darlin', the last time I started asking questions in a science forum, I became addicted to that forum for 2 1/2 years. �

My husband actually suggested that I change my screen name from FtK to OCD.

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Posted: April 04 2007,21:24

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Is that okay, or will it conflict with you teaching at charm school?

Some people are worth being polite to, some ain't.

FTK, ain't. Neither is Paley. Both for much the same reasons.

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Posted: April 04 2007,21:25

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There are members of this forum who are biologists, physicists, geneticists, microbiologists, geologists, chemists, zoologists, engineers, programmers, a girl from the NIH...there are frigging linguists here, for chrissakes. We got everything. You wanna talk about a scientific question? Just ask. AFDave's been gone for like 2 months. We need a little scientific red meat to chew on.

Darlin' the last time I started asking questions in a science forum, I became addicted to that forum for 2 1/2 years. �

My husband actually suggested that I change my screen name from FtK to OCD.

Knowledge is like that.. nothing wrong with it considering your serach for truth IMHO.

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Posted: April 04 2007,21:33

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Is that okay, or will it conflict with you teaching at charm school?

Some people are worth being polite to, some ain't.

FTK, ain't. Neither is Paley. Both for much the same reasons.

Nevertheless, you have to be respectful of her while she's here. It's the best way to avoid flame wars and get to substantive issues. Several people here are waiting for her to bring up a scientific topic. They want some exercise.

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Posted: April 04 2007,21:36

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Jeez, Lenny

I, uh, asked you not to speak to me, since you've already made it clear that you're not willing to discuss anything substantive.

So please STFUAGA.

Thanks.

Hey, Lenny, guess what? They won't ban me here...so I can pretty much say whatever I want to whomever I want to say it to.

Pretty cool, huh? Gosh, this could actually be fun.

I gotta ask you though...do you think that anyone in cyberspace actually takes you seriously or do you surf these forums merely to provide comic relief?

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Posted: April 04 2007,21:37

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Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ April 04 2007,21:11)

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Jeez, Lenny

I, uh, asked you not to speak to me, since you've already made it clear that you're not willing to discuss anything substantive.

So please STFUAGA.

Thanks.

Hey, Lenny, guess what? �They won't ban me here...so I can pretty much say whatever I want to whomever I want to say it to.

Pretty cool, huh? �Gosh, this could actually be fun. �

I gotta ask you though...do you think that anyone in cyberspace actually takes you seriously or do you surf these forums merely to provide comic relief?

You are accountable to yourself, of course.

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Posted: April 04 2007,21:41

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Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ April 04 2007,21:11)

Quote (Ftk @ April 04 2007,20:47)

Jeez, Lenny

I, uh, asked you not to speak to me, since you've already made it clear that you're not willing to discuss anything substantive.

So please STFUAGA.

Thanks.

Hey, Lenny, guess what? �They won't ban me here...so I can pretty much say whatever I want to whomever I want to say it to.

Pretty cool, huh? �Gosh, this could actually be fun. �

I gotta ask you though...do you think that anyone in cyberspace actually takes you seriously or do you surf these forums merely to provide comic relief?

You are accountable to yourself, of course.

LOL, and how are you doing with that self-accountability thing, Richard?

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Posted: April 04 2007,21:44

I do some good things, I do some bad things. I'd rather just do good things, but bad things seem like fun at the time. I am dissapointed with myself when I do bad things. I appreciate that my concepts of good and bad may be different to other peoples.

But, if you'd like to quiz me, you have the power to open a new thread. Our considerable scientific prowess awaits your enquiring mind.

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Posted: April 04 2007,21:45

Quote (Ftk @ April 04 2007,22:36)

Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ April 04 2007,21:11)

Quote (Ftk @ April 04 2007,20:47)

Jeez, Lenny

I, uh, asked you not to speak to me, since you've already made it clear that you're not willing to discuss anything substantive.

So please STFUAGA.

Thanks.

Hey, Lenny, guess what? They won't ban me here...so I can pretty much say whatever I want to whomever I want to say it to.

Pretty cool, huh? Gosh, this could actually be fun.

I gotta ask you though...do you think that anyone in cyberspace actually takes you seriously or do you surf these forums merely to provide comic relief?

If you're really annoying, we will ban you. After a few hundred posts. Pretty much just don't straight-up insult people. Although Robert O'Brien's done that about a hundred times and I haven't banned him yet. He's kind of amusing, with his little cynical hors d'oeurves. If you want to talk about science, we'll be off to the races. Anybody can talk about their cultural/political opinions. What we want is some science. Red meat. What's the best argument for ID, FtK? Second Law of Thermo? Information Theory? Probability of assembling a random protein? Best paper supporting ID? Come on, give us something besides your little social observations.

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Posted: April 04 2007,21:57

"Pretty much just don't straight-up insult people."

I don't "straight-up" insult people. It's just not in me.

But, I'm really not into chatting about science with ya. I've been doing that gig for years in other pro-evolution forums, and I think I've heard just about every argument for and against ID and evolution numerous times now.

I find it much more interesting trying to figure out what makes you people tick. You're such a snarly bunch of folks.

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Posted: April 04 2007,21:59

FTK doesn't have anything but social observations and she will never discuss science because she doesn't even know where to start. From some of the comments on her blog one would think she never even wandered into a science book in her home-school.

Her comment saying she can't discuss science because last time she tried she struck around long enough to learn something is telling. Of course, that's my own interpretation of her comment, but shes free to tell me I'm wrong.

So far we have:

1. I can't discuss science because none of you people really want to discuss science. (Even though we've asked you to discuss science numerous times)

2. I can't discuss science because I find it interesting.

Wow. Can you please stick around long enough to make this a TOP 10 list?

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Posted: April 04 2007,22:09

FTK:

A little helpful info on this particular board. While serious science can be discussed here (and certainly is), this is the "blow-a-little-steam" place.

You seem to think that science is seriously discussed in all pro-ID forums, though there is very little evidence of this. Most of the peope on this board have tried to discuss science seriously in many of your favorite type places: UD, OE, even Joe G.'s place, AiG, etc.

Since exactly zero discussion can take place in these forums, they come here to discuss the science and, more often, the idiocies of those places where they are not allowed to comment (and not allowed to provide rational content).

Try to take that into consideration (not just the behavior--the reason for it) when visiting.

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Posted: April 04 2007,22:42

"Wow. �Can you please stick around long enough to make this a TOP 10 list?"

Not a problem, blipey. �Here are your last 8 of 10:

I can�t discuss science with you because...

8. �Apparently there are a lot of homos around here, and everyone knows that conservative Christians have homophobia.

7. �I fear further wrath from PZ due to my comment that �biology isn�t rocket science�. �God knows the man actually believes that biologists are at the top of the professional food chain.

6. �Atheists scare the bejesus out of me.

5. �J-Dog keeps referring to me as someone with an �expansive backside�.

4. �Dave has already offered everything he�s got in defense of common descent, and I still think it�s a crock.

3. �I�m afraid k.e. will expect me to �lickalottapussie�.

2. �I�m frightened that I might actually become attracted to Richard Hughes (I was always a sucker for the bad boys).

1. �I�m scared to death that Lenny will end up wanting to sleep with me. �That would be a fate worse than death.

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Posted: April 04 2007,23:06

Heh. �A couple of those were even funny. �A little.

Since you don't know enough to talk science and you're not really funny enough to sustain the comedy schtick, you could just be SOL.

But, hey, if you own a guitar, you could always take a digipic of your ax and post it on the muso thread.

You don't actually have to be able to play it any better than you can talk science or make funny. �You just have to be able to point and click.

There must be something you're good for, when you're not whining.

Maybe Lenny will take a hit for the team and let us know...

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Posted: April 04 2007,23:11

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2. �I�m frightened that I might actually become attracted to Richard Hughes (I was always a sucker for the bad boys).

Too Late.

I'll dress you up in lingerie and make you dance for me.

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Posted: April 04 2007,23:34

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I do some good things, I do some bad things. I'd rather just do good things, but bad things seem like fun at the time. I am dissapointed with myself when I do bad things. I appreciate that my concepts of good and bad may be different to other peoples.

But, if you'd like to quiz me, you have the power to open a new thread. Our considerable scientific prowess awaits your enquiring mind.

HAHAHAHA PROBE ME WITH YOUR ENQUIRING MIND *snicker* RTH IS GAY!

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Posted: April 04 2007,23:37

Whoa, I sure came late to this party!

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"Wow. �Can you please stick around long enough to make this a TOP 10 list?"

Not a problem, blipey. �Here are your last 8 of 10:

I can�t discuss science with you because...

8. �Apparently there are a lot of homos around here, and everyone knows that conservative Christians have homophobia.

But I'm an australiopithicine.

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7. �I fear further wrath from PZ due to my comment that �biology isn�t rocket science�. �God knows the man actually believes that biologists are at the top of the professional food chain.

But what really counts is who's at the bottom. As Gould said, we live in the age of bacteria, as it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be.

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6. �Atheists scare the bejesus out of me.

But after the beJesus is gone, you're an atheist, and there will be no more fear.

Come with us. Drink the ambrosia. It is good.

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5. �J-Dog keeps referring to me as someone with an �expansive backside�.

I saw that cartoon. Now I admit I feel weird for once calling Dembski a "lost soul!"

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2. �I�m frightened that I might actually become attracted to Richard Hughes (I was always a sucker for the bad boys).

HANDS OFF!

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1. �I�m scared to death that Lenny will end up wanting to sleep with me.

*Throws her copy of Das Kapital at Ftk*

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Posted: April 04 2007,23:40

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3. I�m afraid k.e. will expect me to �lickalottapussie�.

I DID SO NOT!

I asked if your were ambidexterous .......RTH would give his right arm to be bidexterous

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Posted: April 05 2007,00:23

Quote (Ftk @ April 04 2007,22:42)

I can�t discuss science with you because...

8. Apparently there are a lot of homos around here, and everyone knows that conservative Christians have homophobia.

can't argue with you there

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7. I fear further wrath from PZ due to my comment that �biology isn�t rocket science�. God knows the man actually believes that biologists are at the top of the professional food chain.

Hey now, Biologists are pretty darn good though, right?

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6. Atheists scare the bejesus out of me.

You weren't using that bejesus anyway were you?

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