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Soapy Sam



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2015,03:39   

Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 21 2015,15:48)
Why Darwinism Is Failing

Murray: "Darwinism has never been about the evidence. It has always been about the atheist/materialist narrative."

Says he, offering no evidence.

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franky172



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2015,10:09   

So, it looks like peteFun was banned from Uncommon Descent?  My fault?  I didn't save the response, but it was something like:

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Barry,

In your most recent response, why did you only include my initial claims, and not try and refute any of the supporting information or arguments?  This seems to me like you are not engaging in this discussion in good faith.  It is a tad disturbing.

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some anonymous schmo spewing his uninformed opinions into an internet combox


What is that old lawyer trick?  Ah. Yes - "When you have no basis for argument, abuse the plaintiff."
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Clearly well outside the bounds of normal discourse allowed on UD.  Now my posts never appear, and that post appears to have disappeared into the ether...  oh well.  it was fun while it lasted.  If someone has the time, can someone ask Barry why my post was removed and I was banned?  It would be nice to get a straightforward answer.

  
EmperorZelos



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2015,10:17   

Quote (Soapy Sam @ Nov. 22 2015,03:39)
Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 21 2015,15:48)
Why Darwinism Is Failing

Murray: "Darwinism has never been about the evidence. It has always been about the atheist/materialist narrative."

Says he, offering no evidence.

Besdies the countless observed instances along with mountains of peer reviewed research....wow

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2015,11:54   

The deepest question about UD discussions is always: mentally ill, or just really, really dumb?

ETA I forgot about Salvador and a few others, so I'll amend the question:

Mentally Ill, Outright Lies, or just really, really Dumb?

Edited by stevestory on Nov. 22 2015,12:55

   
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2015,12:45   

Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 21 2015,08:48)
Why Darwinism Is Failing

If so, it might be because it's hard to compress science into sound bytes? (And stuffing it into sound nibbles would be even harder... )

  
Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2015,13:30   

Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 22 2015,12:54)
The deepest question about UD discussions is always: mentally ill, or just really, really dumb?

ETA I forgot about Salvador and a few others, so I'll amend the question:

Mentally Ill, Outright Lies, or just really, really Dumb?

You say that like those things are mutually exclusive.

I would argue, especially in the case of UD, they are not.

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Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

   
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2015,14:03   

Franky172
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If someone has the time, can someone ask Barry why my post was removed and I was banned?  It would be nice to get a straightforward answer.


I would do it by I (Brian Douglas) was banned after Barry wrote an OP with my name in the title. I commented that I would engage if he gave some assurance that he wouldn't ban me for disagreeing with him. He replied that he never bans people for disagreeing with him. And then he silently banned me. If I keep this up, gmail is going to stop giving me email accounts.

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2015,14:29   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 22 2015,15:03)
He replied that he never bans people for disagreeing with him. And then he silently banned me.

Good thing his is the only philosophy which confers morality! Hate to see what he'd be like without it.  :p

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2015,14:31   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Nov. 22 2015,14:30)
Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 22 2015,12:54)
The deepest question about UD discussions is always: mentally ill, or just really, really dumb?

ETA I forgot about Salvador and a few others, so I'll amend the question:

Mentally Ill, Outright Lies, or just really, really Dumb?

You say that like those things are mutually exclusive.

I would argue, especially in the case of UD, they are not.

True. It's more like, which flavor is more dominant in each particular dish.

   
Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2015,16:49   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 22 2015,14:03)
Franky172
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If someone has the time, can someone ask Barry why my post was removed and I was banned?  It would be nice to get a straightforward answer.


I would do it by I (Brian Douglas) was banned after Barry wrote an OP with my name in the title. I commented that I would engage if he gave some assurance that he wouldn't ban me for disagreeing with him. He replied that he never bans people for disagreeing with him. And then he silently banned me. If I keep this up, gmail is going to stop giving me email accounts.

Don't worry, I believe Yahoo! is still going.

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Timothy McDougald



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2015,20:51   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Nov. 22 2015,16:49)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 22 2015,14:03)
Franky172
 
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If someone has the time, can someone ask Barry why my post was removed and I was banned?  It would be nice to get a straightforward answer.


I would do it by I (Brian Douglas) was banned after Barry wrote an OP with my name in the title. I commented that I would engage if he gave some assurance that he wouldn't ban me for disagreeing with him. He replied that he never bans people for disagreeing with him. And then he silently banned me. If I keep this up, gmail is going to stop giving me email accounts.

Don't worry, I believe Yahoo! is still going.

And after that there is always Lycos  :p

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MichaelJ



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 23 2015,00:44   

Quote (Soapy Sam @ Nov. 22 2015,18:39)
Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 21 2015,15:48)
Why Darwinism Is Failing

Murray: "Darwinism has never been about the evidence. It has always been about the atheist/materialist narrative."

Says he, offering no evidence.

Evolution is failing. Failing I say. The evolutionists hardly produce even a book a year now - and even that is just old books rehashed. No peer reviewed research and even their websites are just a mere shadow of what they used to be.



.. Oh sorry, I've got it the wrong way around haven't I.

  
Cubist



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 23 2015,02:19   

AOL is still a going concern, and AOL email is free.

Hotmail offers free email.

  
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 23 2015,08:37   

Quote (Cubist @ Nov. 23 2015,02:19)
AOL is still a going concern, and AOL email is free.

Hotmail offers free email.

I still have an active Hotmail account.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 23 2015,09:06   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Nov. 22 2015,16:49)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 22 2015,14:03)
Franky172
 
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If someone has the time, can someone ask Barry why my post was removed and I was banned?  It would be nice to get a straightforward answer.


I would do it by I (Brian Douglas) was banned after Barry wrote an OP with my name in the title. I commented that I would engage if he gave some assurance that he wouldn't ban me for disagreeing with him. He replied that he never bans people for disagreeing with him. And then he silently banned me. If I keep this up, gmail is going to stop giving me email accounts.

Don't worry, I believe Yahoo! is still going.

Oh you've made everyone's favourite BBB D- Lawyer / Debt collector mad, you "Liar and a Hypocrite".

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 23 2015,09:56   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 23 2015,09:06)
Quote (Bob O'H @ Nov. 22 2015,16:49)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 22 2015,14:03)
Franky172
 
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If someone has the time, can someone ask Barry why my post was removed and I was banned?  It would be nice to get a straightforward answer.


I would do it by I (Brian Douglas) was banned after Barry wrote an OP with my name in the title. I commented that I would engage if he gave some assurance that he wouldn't ban me for disagreeing with him. He replied that he never bans people for disagreeing with him. And then he silently banned me. If I keep this up, gmail is going to stop giving me email accounts.

Don't worry, I believe Yahoo! is still going.

Oh you've made everyone's favourite BBB D- Lawyer / Debt collector mad, you "Liar and a Hypocrite".

Not really, I haven't been graced with my own post.

*sniff*

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It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 23 2015,11:27   

(responding to Zachriel)

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Jack Jones

November 23, 2015 at 10:29 am

” Evolutionary theory”

There is no “evolutionary theory”

“leads us”

You don’t do anything other than post crap on the net.
THAT's the problem with the evolution side. All they do is post stuff on the intertubes.

   
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 23 2015,13:38   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Nov. 23 2015,09:56)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 23 2015,09:06)
Quote (Bob O'H @ Nov. 22 2015,16:49)
 
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 22 2015,14:03)
Franky172
   
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If someone has the time, can someone ask Barry why my post was removed and I was banned?  It would be nice to get a straightforward answer.


I would do it by I (Brian Douglas) was banned after Barry wrote an OP with my name in the title. I commented that I would engage if he gave some assurance that he wouldn't ban me for disagreeing with him. He replied that he never bans people for disagreeing with him. And then he silently banned me. If I keep this up, gmail is going to stop giving me email accounts.

Don't worry, I believe Yahoo! is still going.

Oh you've made everyone's favourite BBB D- Lawyer / Debt collector mad, you "Liar and a Hypocrite".

Not really, I haven't been graced with my own post.

*sniff*

DISSED AND DISMISSED:

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MapouNovember 23, 2015 at 1:17 pm
Don’t bother with Bob O’H. The man is a crackpot who has a hard time understanding that the combinatorial explosion kills all stochastic search mechanisms dead, including and especially RM+NS.


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Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 23 2015,15:21   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Nov. 23 2015,09:56)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 23 2015,09:06)
Quote (Bob O'H @ Nov. 22 2015,16:49)
 
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 22 2015,14:03)
Franky172
   
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If someone has the time, can someone ask Barry why my post was removed and I was banned?  It would be nice to get a straightforward answer.


I would do it by I (Brian Douglas) was banned after Barry wrote an OP with my name in the title. I commented that I would engage if he gave some assurance that he wouldn't ban me for disagreeing with him. He replied that he never bans people for disagreeing with him. And then he silently banned me. If I keep this up, gmail is going to stop giving me email accounts.

Don't worry, I believe Yahoo! is still going.

Oh you've made everyone's favourite BBB D- Lawyer / Debt collector mad, you "Liar and a Hypocrite".

Not really, I haven't been graced with my own post.

*sniff*

Out of (admittedly egotistical) interest, I decided to see how many OPs at UD were rebuttals, in whole or in part, to comments that I had made. It was far more than I had remembered.

I don't know whether to feel proud that I was able to get under Barry's skin that many times, or ashamed that my comments may have been so easy to ridicule. But, as we are talking about Barry Arrogant and UD, I won't lose any sleep either way.

As Acartia
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Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 23 2015,15:49   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 23 2015,15:21)
Quote (Bob O'H @ Nov. 23 2015,09:56)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 23 2015,09:06)
 
Quote (Bob O'H @ Nov. 22 2015,16:49)
 
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 22 2015,14:03)
Franky172
   
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If someone has the time, can someone ask Barry why my post was removed and I was banned?  It would be nice to get a straightforward answer.


I would do it by I (Brian Douglas) was banned after Barry wrote an OP with my name in the title. I commented that I would engage if he gave some assurance that he wouldn't ban me for disagreeing with him. He replied that he never bans people for disagreeing with him. And then he silently banned me. If I keep this up, gmail is going to stop giving me email accounts.

Don't worry, I believe Yahoo! is still going.

Oh you've made everyone's favourite BBB D- Lawyer / Debt collector mad, you "Liar and a Hypocrite".

Not really, I haven't been graced with my own post.

*sniff*

Out of (admittedly egotistical) interest, I decided to see how many OPs at UD were rebuttals, in whole or in part, to comments that I had made. It was far more than I had remembered.

I don't know whether to feel proud that I was able to get under Barry's skin that many times, or ashamed that my comments may have been so easy to ridicule. But, as we are talking about Barry Arrogant and UD, I won't lose any sleep either way.

As Acartia
One

Two

Three

Four

As William Spearshake
Five

Six

Seven

Eight

Nine

As Tintinnid
Ten

Eleven

As Brian Douglas
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Oh, you show-off.

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Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 23 2015,15:54   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Nov. 23 2015,15:49)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 23 2015,15:21)
Quote (Bob O'H @ Nov. 23 2015,09:56)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 23 2015,09:06)
 
Quote (Bob O'H @ Nov. 22 2015,16:49)
   
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Franky172
     
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If someone has the time, can someone ask Barry why my post was removed and I was banned?  It would be nice to get a straightforward answer.


I would do it by I (Brian Douglas) was banned after Barry wrote an OP with my name in the title. I commented that I would engage if he gave some assurance that he wouldn't ban me for disagreeing with him. He replied that he never bans people for disagreeing with him. And then he silently banned me. If I keep this up, gmail is going to stop giving me email accounts.

Don't worry, I believe Yahoo! is still going.

Oh you've made everyone's favourite BBB D- Lawyer / Debt collector mad, you "Liar and a Hypocrite".

Not really, I haven't been graced with my own post.

*sniff*

Out of (admittedly egotistical) interest, I decided to see how many OPs at UD were rebuttals, in whole or in part, to comments that I had made. It was far more than I had remembered.

I don't know whether to feel proud that I was able to get under Barry's skin that many times, or ashamed that my comments may have been so easy to ridicule. But, as we are talking about Barry Arrogant and UD, I won't lose any sleep either way.

As Acartia
One

Two

Three

Four

As William Spearshake
Five

Six

Seven

Eight

Nine

As Tintinnid
Ten

Eleven

As Brian Douglas
Twelve

Oh, you show-off.

But it is sad that passing off Barry is my only skill. However, my mother always told me to go with your strengths.

  
peteFun



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 23 2015,16:00   

And the purge is complete.

  
REC



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 23 2015,16:17   

Someone should point out to Barry that he is what he despises.

He's ranted about postmodern nihilism, but look at him. Is any point he makes about what is true (as in supported by evidence)? No, its textual and language critique-Darwin said this, Gould said that, what is the meaning of "cladistics" and does that given meaning rhetorically establish what it can prove?

  
JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 23 2015,20:21   

Quote (REC @ Nov. 23 2015,14:17)
Someone should point out to Barry that he is what he despises.

He's ranted about postmodern nihilism, but look at him. Is any point he makes about what is true (as in supported by evidence)? No, its textual and language critique-Darwin said this, Gould said that, what is the meaning of "cladistics" and does that given meaning rhetorically establish what it can prove?

But he's doing it for Jesus.  So it's OK.

Less snarkily: This happens a lot with Christian fundamentalists.  Within their own community, discussions are based on close analysis of their sacred text, and it carries over into arguing with the heathens.  It doesn't occur to them that Origin isn't Atheist Bible, and no-one worships Darwin.

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There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 23 2015,22:15   

Banny takes his ignorance for a loooong, public walk

Whole thread!

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 24 2015,01:00   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 23 2015,20:15)
Banny takes his ignorance for a loooong, public walk

Whole thread!

Creeps me out.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 24 2015,08:41   

Zachriel vs Barry on HTF hypothesis testing works.


   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 24 2015,09:53   

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wd400November 24, 2015 at 9:35 am
Hey Cabal,
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Since all posible combinations of 500 coin heads on the table have the same probability of occurence,…

If all posible combinations of 500 coins are equiprobable then the rest of your post is fine. The problem with Barry’s post (as pointed out in that thread) is that he never specifies the processes by which the coins where placed. As it stands the question is akin to a famous “paradox” in probability theory and evidence that probability calculations can only be applied to well-posed questions.

That Barry can still be so wrong and so angry about that post really is something.


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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 24 2015,09:56   

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NickMatzke_UDNovember 23, 2015 at 9:15 pm
Wow Barry, that’s like 5 replies from you, and none of them even respond to the points I made. In your replies:

1. You made a mistake in your opening post, by confusing the terms “direct ancestry” and “common ancestry” in your discussion of my quote.

2. No discussion of how comparing the trees from 2 or more different datasets constitutes a test of common ancestry, rather an assumption of it.

3. No discussion of how null distributions can be constructed from the data, and the parsimony scores from those compared to the observed parsimony score on the original data (or CI, or other support statistics).

4. No discussion of the probabilistic methods that have advanced beyond cladistics in terms of allowing the inference of direct ancestors, and in allowing formal probabilistic tests of common ancestry with the standard tools of statistical model choice (used in dozens or hundreds of different fields), including things like the Likelihood Ratio Test.

5. No discussion of the previously published, well-known peer-reviewed literature on any of these topics.

You exhibited no knowledge of any of these in your previous posts. Yet you blab about the topic anyway. And you refuse to admit your mistakes when they are pointed out, instead attempting to distract by bringing up other issues. If you want to know why scientists don’t take ID seriously: your behavior is an example of why.


barry does not science good.

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 24 2015,10:05   

Barry's response, literally ONE MINUTE LATER:

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Barry Arrington

November 23, 2015 at 9:16 pm

I have to pack for my Thanksgiving trip. I’m out until next Monday.


now THAT is fucking funny.

   
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