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Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 05 2006,22:12    Paley, 1) I am not brilliant or intimidating, although I am gratified you find me so, after all you keep bringing it up. 2) What were global societies like prior to 1859? Were there still thugs and ruffians and all round naughty persons? Did naughty persons use any justification they could for their naughtiness? Like I said, regardless of whether you consider me to be the equal of a Talmudic debator, this latest nonsense of yours is logically fallacious bullshit and nothing more. A convenient distraction from your distinct lack of a geocentric "model". Louis P.S. As for the footy, well I am glad the Portugese are out of it, after all they were doing so much diving in the last three matches I imagine they are currently in a decompression chamber preparing for life on the surface. That Renaldo needs someone to have a quiet word with him. As for match fixing, highly unlikely. -------------- Bye.

Flint Posts: 478 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2006,02:55    Quote All I know is: 1) A third of America shares a great deal of my worldview; yet 2) Science is still with us. This argument always brings me up short. To draw an exact parallel not pre-poisoned by religious blinkers, imagine someone arging for more polio on the grounds that the US dominates the Olympic games, trying to imply that polio can't be harmful and might be beneficial. This only works when arguments that could be made straight ahead are instead made by implication and misdirection. ALL of Ghosts arguments are made this way. I can only repeat that those producing the scientific advances and those who share this worldview are entirely different populations, without any meaningful overlap at all. The reason for this mutual exclusivity can be traced beyond mere statistical observation to actual cause and effect. Those who reject evidence produce no science. Advances are made by those who escaped the trap, not those who fell victim.

The Ghost of Paley Posts: 1703 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2006,09:23    With the website acting up, let me just leave everyone with a nice essay for now. -------------- Dey can't 'andle my riddim.

Flint Posts: 478 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2006,10:20    So a card-carrying member of the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative and grimly Christian think tank, examines the greatest works (in his opinion) produced by Christians in Christendom (falsely advertised as the best of all humanity everywhere), and marvels that, why, they're all produced by (ghasp! Christians. God must be real. And the Chinese must be giggling.

Shirley Knott Posts: 148 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2006,10:44    Paley, don't you have a model to build and present? Drop the bullshit pseudo-sociology and get back to your pseudo-cosmology, please.  You violate your own promises by drifting down these other paths.  (Big surprise to those of us who know you as a Christian, and  thus know you to be inherently dishonest, but still... Maintain the pretense!) Shirley Knott

ericmurphy Posts: 2460 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2006,12:46    The thing is, Bill seems like he's probably smart enough to have made some contributions, however small, to the edifice of human knoweldge. Unfortunately, he's beholden to the creation myths of a pre-scientific, almost preliterate society of 5,000 years ago, and instead of doing creditable work in, oh, I don't know, quantum chemistry, he's wasting his time arguing that evolution is partly responsible for the notional collapse of society and trying to come up with an internally-consistent geocentric cosmology. Sigh. A mind, as Dan Quayle once pointed out, is a terrible thing to lose. -------------- 2006 MVD award for most dogged defense of scientific sanity "Atheism is a religion the same way NOT collecting stamps is a hobby." —Scott Adams

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2006,14:46    Quote (Louis @ July 06 2006,03:12) P.S. As for the footy, well I am glad the Portugese are out of it, after all they were doing so much diving in the last three matches I imagine they are currently in a decompression chamber preparing for life on the surface. That Renaldo needs someone to have a quiet word with him. As for match fixing, highly unlikely. Normally I want the team that knocks England out to go-on and win the cup. Not this time. Portugal's style of cheating/ref influencing really anoyed me.

The Ghost of Paley Posts: 1703 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 07 2006,08:29    I see the site is back up, not that it does me any good, having missed my window of opportunity to post another installment. Oh well, I'll try to get it in next Tuesday. Let's hope Wes has fixed the kinks by then..... Eric:         Quote {I}nstead of doing creditable work in, oh, I don't know, quantum chemistry, he's wasting his time arguing that evolution is partly responsible for the notional collapse of society and trying to come up with an internally-consistent geocentric cosmology. Naaah, even if you accept evo-science as true, my "failure" to pursue a scientific career derives 90% from my temperament, which predates the religious conversion. Funny thing is, even though God made all the difference in my inner world, my lifestyle remains pretty much the same. I never did get into drinking, drugging, skirt-chasing, etc, so I didn't have to give up a lot of bad habits. I actually have the opposite problem: I have to train myself to be more social so that I can better fulfill my obligations. S. Elliot:         Quote Normally I want the team that knocks England out to go-on and win the cup. Not this time. Portugal's style of cheating/ref influencing really anoyed me. Yeah, but I'd like to see Italy win it; I believe it would be their first championship. Of course, France's current team is getting up in years, and this might be their last opportunity to take it, so I don't know who to root for really.  Mr. Elliot, how are the playoff brackets determined? Is it based on a rigid point system (like the earlier standings) or is it more subjective? It seemed like Brazil got shafted by the playoff structure. But maybe there wasn't any choice.  As far as other types of possible "fixing", I don't know that "fixing" would be done to benefit a particular team as much as maximise revenue. In American sports, the TV networks and advertisers benefit by long playoff series, so there's pressure on the league to artificially lengthen the playoffs by calling more fouls against the losing team, etc. Not saying it happens, but people occasionally level these charges against the NBA. In combat sports, it's easier to fix contests, and no one doubts it's happened in boxing and MMA. I also suspect that individual football and baseball athletes have taken payoffs throughout history -- the third Superbowl has always had a fishy fragrance around it, and there's one baseball pitcher who might have tanked a few games in the late 60's (Flint knows who I'm talking about). Anyway, have there been any gambling scandals associated with soccer/football? -------------- Dey can't 'andle my riddim.

ericmurphy Posts: 2460 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 07 2006,09:38    Quote (The Ghost of Paley @ July 07 2006,13:29) Eric:             Quote {I}nstead of doing creditable work in, oh, I don't know, quantum chemistry, he's wasting his time arguing that evolution is partly responsible for the notional collapse of society and trying to come up with an internally-consistent geocentric cosmology. Naaah, even if you accept evo-science as true, my "failure" to pursue a scientific career derives 90% from my temperament, which predates the religious conversion. Funny thing is, even though God made all the difference in my inner world, my lifestyle remains pretty much the same. I never did get into drinking, drugging, skirt-chasing, etc, so I didn't have to give up a lot of bad habits. I actually have the opposite problem: I have to train myself to be more social so that I can better fulfill my obligations. Gee, Bill, drinking, drugging, and skirt-chasing don't strike me as activities normally associated with professional scientists. Granted, there are exceptions (Richard Feynman comes to mind), but in general I think you've got kind of a weird idea of most scientists' lifestyle.  And living like a hermit is certainly not going to be a problem for a doctoral candidate who's up until five a.m. most nights in a deserted lab tending to his experiments. So why was it, exactly, that you didn't want to be a scientist? Too much cognitive dissonance? -------------- 2006 MVD award for most dogged defense of scientific sanity "Atheism is a religion the same way NOT collecting stamps is a hobby." —Scott Adams

Chris Hyland Posts: 705 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 07 2006,12:02    Quote Gee, Bill, drinking, drugging, and skirt-chasing don't strike me as activities normally associated with professional scientists. Well if you believe Anne Coulter scientists are liberals so they spend all day drinking, smoking pot and sleeping around so they can have as many abortions as possible. Either that or their gay and don't have abortions so instead they want to adopt kids to destroy the American family. Quote Funny thing is, even though God made all the difference in my inner world, my lifestyle remains pretty much the same. I never did get into drinking, drugging, skirt-chasing, etc, so I didn't have to give up a lot of bad habits. Funny I gave all that stuff up after I stopped caring what God thought about me.

ericmurphy Posts: 2460 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 07 2006,12:41    Quote (Chris Hyland @ July 07 2006,17:02) Well if you believe Anne Coulter scientists are liberals so they spend all day drinking, smoking pot and sleeping around so they can have as many abortions as possible. Well, Anne advocates the killing of liberals (is John Walker Linde a "liberal"?), which should do wonders for America's standing in the sciences, and should really do wonders for the number of future Nobel laureates who are Americans. -------------- 2006 MVD award for most dogged defense of scientific sanity "Atheism is a religion the same way NOT collecting stamps is a hobby." —Scott Adams

MidnightVoice Posts: 380 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 08 2006,08:18    Quote (ericmurphy @ July 07 2006,14:38) drinking, drugging, and skirt-chasing don't strike me as activities normally associated with professional scientists. Hmmmm.  For those of us who got our degrees in London in the sixties and early seventies............ Never mind, I would not want to corrupt you   -------------- If I fly the coop some time And take nothing but a grip With the few good books that really count It's a necessary trip I'll be gone with the girl in the gold silk jacket The girl with the pearl-driller's hands

ericmurphy Posts: 2460 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 08 2006,12:49    Quote (MidnightVoice @ July 08 2006,13:18)   Quote (ericmurphy @ July 07 2006,14:38) drinking, drugging, and skirt-chasing don't strike me as activities normally associated with professional scientists. Hmmmm.  For those of us who got our degrees in London in the sixties and early seventies............ Never mind, I would not want to corrupt you   Question: was this before you got your graduate degree and started working as a professional scientist, or after? -------------- 2006 MVD award for most dogged defense of scientific sanity "Atheism is a religion the same way NOT collecting stamps is a hobby." —Scott Adams

"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank Posts: 2560 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 08 2006,14:15    Quote (The Ghost of Paley @ July 07 2006,13:29) I never did get into drinking, drugging, skirt-chasing, etc, Translation:  He couldn't get laid. -------------- Editor, Red and Black Publishers www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank Posts: 2560 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 08 2006,14:18    Quote (The Ghost of Paley @ July 07 2006,13:29) I actually have the opposite problem: I have to train myself to be more social Translation;  He has no social skills. Which, I suppose, explains why he couldn't get laid. -------------- Editor, Red and Black Publishers www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 08 2006,14:27    I will try to get back to this thread's original topic. Paley, what do you think the effect of the Planet of the Apes films has been on America's moral fabric? Has it harmed or benefitted Christianity? -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 08 2006,14:35    Quote Funny thing is, even though God made all the difference in my inner world, my lifestyle remains pretty much the same Translation: I'm still a reactionary a$$hole, but it's okay because I'm saved and you're not. So there. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 08 2006,15:09    Quote   Quote Racists don't rationalize their beliefs with Christianity? Must have missed the memo on that one. Some do, like the Klan and many members of the Christian Identity sect. Most rely on Darwin. But don't take my word for it; log on a neonazi/racist website and run a poll; I predict that Darwin will come out on top. Paley, do you have the slightest evidence for this? Because this smells exactly like another one of those "Liberals all read Foucault" generalizations that you pull out of your butt from time to time... -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank Posts: 2560 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 08 2006,15:49    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 08 2006,20:09) Quote   Quote Racists don't rationalize their beliefs with Christianity? Must have missed the memo on that one. Some do, like the Klan and many members of the Christian Identity sect. Most rely on Darwin. But don't take my word for it; log on a neonazi/racist website and run a poll; I predict that Darwin will come out on top. Paley, do you have the slightest evidence for this? Because this smells exactly like another one of those "Liberals all read Foucault" generalizations that you pull out of your butt from time to time... Maybe this will help, Paley: http://www.geocities.com/lflank/nazis.htm -------------- Editor, Red and Black Publishers www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

MidnightVoice Posts: 380 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 09 2006,04:53    Quote (ericmurphy @ July 08 2006,17:49) Question: was this before you got your graduate degree and started working as a professional scientist, or after? Before, during and after.  It was a fun time, but all good things come to an end eventually, and I got old and responsible - or older and somewhat more responsible.   -------------- If I fly the coop some time And take nothing but a grip With the few good books that really count It's a necessary trip I'll be gone with the girl in the gold silk jacket The girl with the pearl-driller's hands

The Ghost of Paley Posts: 1703 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 09 2006,09:53    You know what's funny? Out of all the Panda's Bum barflies, I bet that Eric gets the cutest ladies. Here's why: 1) He lives in San Fran, where there's a lot of cuties (esp Asian cuties) 2) He works in a law firm and bikes a lot, so he's fit and well dressed 3) He comes across as a nice guy, yet isn't afraid to assert himself 4) He doesn't try to position himself as a stud. This is the dead giveaway. I've had a lot of male friends who are amazingly successful with the ladies, and every single one undersells his appeal to the opposite sex. You have to go out with these guys, see their dates, and notice women's reactions before understanding the true situation, because you won't get it from them. 5) Eric doesn't have a need to belittle others (for the most part. Alas, he needs to ease up on Dave. Just stick to the facts, Sir). This suggests someone who's relaxed and self-confident. I suspect Faid might give him a run for his money, though. Don't deny it, Faid -- we know all about you Greek guys....     -------------- Dey can't 'andle my riddim.

Faid Posts: 1143 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 09 2006,11:52    I deny any and all wild allegations! Besides, I'm an MD- and we all know how doctors fare with the ladies: Just a tad better than behind the wheel. -------------- A look into DAVE HAWKINS' sense of honesty: "The truth is that ALL mutations REDUCE information" "...mutations can add information to a genome.  And remember, I have never said that this is not possible."

The Ghost of Paley Posts: 1703 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 09 2006,12:00    Well, Italy just beat France, and our wonderful media is already sulking. The article did mention a match-fixing scandal engulfing Italy.....sounds pretty serious. Is this thing pretty common in soccer? This source mentions several scandals. -------------- Dey can't 'andle my riddim.

Faid Posts: 1143 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 09 2006,12:17    Well it's not that common, and that's why this scandal gets so much publicity here... It's a shame European football doesn't pay more attention to us Greeks; they might learn a thing or two about scandals. What Zidane did tonight was pretty lame, btw. And it might have costed France the title.   -------------- A look into DAVE HAWKINS' sense of honesty: "The truth is that ALL mutations REDUCE information" "...mutations can add information to a genome.  And remember, I have never said that this is not possible."

ericmurphy Posts: 2460 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 09 2006,13:43    Quote (The Ghost of Paley @ July 09 2006,14:53) You know what's funny? Out of all the Panda's Bum barflies, I bet that Eric gets the cutest ladies. Here's why: etc. etc. etc. **** 5) Eric doesn't have a need to belittle others (for the most part. Alas, he needs to ease up on Dave. Just stick to the facts, Sir). This suggests someone who's relaxed and self-confident. If only, Bill. Although, by American standards… Anyway, I try to keep my criticisms to people's arguments, not their person, and try to keep the ad hominem attacks to a minimum. I do have to confess, however, that AF Dave's incredible bone-headedness has on occasion caused me to lose my temper. But in general, even with Dave, I've mostly confined my criticism to the utter lack of substantiation he has provided for virtually every claim he's ever made on any subject. But in any event, given his disparaging comments about just about the entire scientific community, I don't feel too bad about it. -------------- 2006 MVD award for most dogged defense of scientific sanity "Atheism is a religion the same way NOT collecting stamps is a hobby." —Scott Adams

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 10 2006,00:54    Eric, Gop said: Quote  I bet that Eric gets the cutest ladies. Here's why:   and then proceeds to list your qualities. Not that I am denying the analysis of your posting habits and character by our ephemeral chum, but I think he's got a crush on you. Isn't that just ADORABLE!? Louis -------------- Bye.

GCT Posts: 1001 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 10 2006,02:10    Quote (The Ghost of Paley @ July 07 2006,13:29) Yeah, but I'd like to see Italy win it; I believe it would be their first championship. Their fourth, actually.   Quote Mr. Elliot, how are the playoff brackets determined? Is it based on a rigid point system (like the earlier standings) or is it more subjective? It seemed like Brazil got shafted by the playoff structure. But maybe there wasn't any choice. The playoff structure is decided well before the tournament starts.  Brazil got into their bracket by being the winner of their group.  They had the misfortune of having to play France so early, because France actually finished second in their group.  I would not say that they were shafted, however, since you have to win your way to the finals, no matter who you play.   Quote Anyway, have there been any gambling scandals associated with soccer/football? Yes.  There was a scandal involving some referrees not too long ago in Germany.  Also, the current scandal involves Italian club teams.  No players have been implicated, however.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 10 2006,05:43    I can't help but notice that Paley couldn't come up with any proof that White Supremacists admire Darwin. Did the site he got those black-on-white crime stats off of support him? And, of course, he's ignoring my questions about Planet of the Apes and society. Typical. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

ericmurphy Posts: 2460 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 10 2006,05:48    Quote (Louis @ July 10 2006,05:54) Eric, Gop said:   Quote  I bet that Eric gets the cutest ladies. Here's why:   and then proceeds to list your qualities. Not that I am denying the analysis of your posting habits and character by our ephemeral chum, but I think he's got a crush on you. Isn't that just ADORABLE!? Louis The same thought crossed my mind. Can't say I've ever been the subject of a crush by a BAC before, but you find out something new every day. :-) -------------- 2006 MVD award for most dogged defense of scientific sanity "Atheism is a religion the same way NOT collecting stamps is a hobby." —Scott Adams

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 10 2006,05:53    I suspect this crush is just another one of Paley's sillyass PR moves to distract us from his inability to construct a coherent argument or indeed to say anything that makes sense. If you assume GOP's posts here are all a big joke, they suddenly fall into place. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

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