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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 07 2015,10:14   

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Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 06 2015,16:16)
22 of the 40 comments on that thread are by Gordon Mullings.

He's slacking.

Report him to the Fishing Reel Manufacturers' Trade Association.

What, for casting a red herring?

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 07 2015,11:03   

i'm tempted to put this on GH's thread, but it goes better here methinks.

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Dover all over
October 6, 2015 Posted by News under Culture, Darwinism, Intelligent Design
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From Evolution News & Views:
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Following Kitzmiller v. Dover, an Excellent Decade for Intelligent Design

Tomorrow marks the tenth anniversary of opening of arguments in the Kitzmiller v. Dover case that resulted in the most absurdly hyped court decision in memory. In 2005, did an obscure Federal judge in Dover, Pennsylvania, at last settle the ultimate scientific question that has fascinated mankind for millennia?

Of course not. The decision by Judge John Jones established nothing about intelligent design — far from being the “death knell” sometimes claimed by Darwin defenders.


A number of post-Dover achievements are listed, including

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– Lots of pro-ID peer-reviewed scientific papers published.

– Experimental peer-reviewed research showing the unevolvability of new proteins.

– Theoretical peer-reviewed papers taking down alleged computer simulations of evolution, showing that intelligent design is needed to produce new information.much more


With the ten-year anniversary of Dover upcoming, expect Darwin’s followers to be too busy with hype to notice that the ground is subtly shifting.

Ironically, Dover was a major help in making it all possible.

Darwin’s followers are more apt to believe their own storytelling than reality. The reality was that people who wanted design taught in schools were a major hassle and distraction in the years leading up to Dover.

Much theoretical and research work needed to be done. But theorists and researchers were overshadowed by well-meaning people with ideas about what the school system needed—resulting in some amazing Darwinblog rants and opinionating by concerned bimbettes from Talk TV.

It would be useless to ask if the latter had read any book by an ID theorist. Most likely, Bimbette had not read any book since graduating from the journalism program. A characteristic of the type is that they “believe in evolution,” but know almost nothing about it and see no need.

Dover, thankfully, got the crowd out of people’s laptop cases and lab coat pockets, and that was —in my opinion—one of the reasons the decade was fruitful.

Darwin followers continued to claim that the Discovery Institute wanted ID taught in schools. As someone with a ringside seat, I knew that wasn’t true; its involvement in Dover was more or less forced by events.

The “teach the controversy” approach the institute did advocate was taken to be a plot to advance ID in the schools. It was actually an attempt to teach evidence-based thinking, as opposed to the Darwin lobby’s metaphysical claims.

But fortunately, the pants in knot street theatre Darwin’s faithful created over the issue was an unexpected help. It tended to focus much of the hysteria on something other than the main work of the ID community.

Here’s to another decade of fruitful work for the ID community and creative profanity from the Darwinblogs! Oh yes, and pontificating about what God would or wouldn’t do from the Christian Darwinists. At least we will all have our priorities straight.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 07 2015,11:05   

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How many papers has Bio-Complexity published this year (is seems like none)? How many has the “Biologic institute” published?

It’s a bit hard to credit the claim ID is an actual research program…

EDIT:

It’s also useful to consider movements own predictions. We are fast coming up to end of the decade in which Dembski claimed evolutionary biology would be “dead“. Yet here we are…


linky for last 2 comments.

   
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 07 2015,11:23   

Why do evolution deniers appear to worship Darwin, when to science supporters he's just one scientist who happened to hit on something before it would have become obvious to most in biology related fields. (Which it would once DNA was understood.)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 07 2015,11:28   

Quote (Henry J @ Oct. 07 2015,11:23)
Why do evolution deniers appear to worship Darwin, when to science supporters he's just one scientist who happened to hit on something before it would have become obvious to most in biology related fields. (Which it would once DNA was understood.)

It's all to do with the beard.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 07 2015,12:05   

not even going to excerpt this. RDFish sees his enemies driven before him, and hears the lamentations of their women.

   
Starbuck



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 07 2015,15:02   

Darwin was pretty genius though, i recall he either predicted or simply noticed that human emotional favial expressions were universal which contributed to child psychology

  
Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 07 2015,15:12   

I have not actually looked at UD, or Evolution News for months.

My goodness- they are getting even more delusional.

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CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 07 2015,22:39   

Quote (Henry J @ Oct. 07 2015,11:23)
Why do evolution deniers appear to worship Darwin, when to science supporters he's just one scientist who happened to hit on something before it would have become obvious to most in biology related fields. (Which it would once DNA was understood.)

It became obvious to Wallace in the 1850s.

The evolution deniers are about a century and a half slow on the uptake.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2015,08:58   

Upright BiPed invokes “spatially-oriented representations”.
http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-582300

All we're lacking is the acronym to make the Tardheap of History.

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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2015,09:23   

Quote (Zachriel @ Oct. 08 2015,16:58)
Upright BiPed invokes “spatially-oriented representations”.
http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-582300

All we're lacking is the acronym to make the Tardheap of History.

SPATORS

Something you have to dodge at a space rink.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2015,09:49   

Quote (Zachriel @ Oct. 08 2015,08:58)
Upright BiPed invokes “spatially-oriented representations”.
http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-582300

All we're lacking is the acronym to make the Tardheap of History.

Looks like an opportunity for MrIntelligentDesign to extend his list of publications with Feng Shui of Intelligent Design

  
k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2015,10:17   

Quote (KevinB @ Oct. 08 2015,17:49)
Quote (Zachriel @ Oct. 08 2015,08:58)
Upright BiPed invokes “spatially-oriented representations”.
http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-582300

All we're lacking is the acronym to make the Tardheap of History.

Looks like an opportunity for MrIntelligentDesign to extend his list of publications with Feng Shui of Intelligent Design

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 09 2015,06:34   

Denyse quotes "forensic engineer Stephen Batzer" about Icons of Evolution. Who is forensic engineer Stephen Batzer, I wondered. So I googled him and found out that he's an expert in car crashes. I'm trying to see if there's something funny that could be said about forensic engineer Stephen Batzer being linked to UD, but nope. I've not nothing.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 09 2015,13:02   

Who needs car crashes experts as long as Denyse et al.  produce one trainwreck after the other ?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 09 2015,13:44   

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Who needs car crashes experts as long as Denyse et al.  produce one trainwreck after the other ?

Just as long as they don't write about it afterward!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 09 2015,13:45   

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Who needs car crashes experts as long as Denyse et al.  produce one trainwreck after the other ?

UD has the same attraction as car crashes. We all slow down to look, and then hate yourselves for doing so.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 09 2015,14:32   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Oct. 09 2015,13:45)
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Who needs car crashes experts as long as Denyse et al.  produce one trainwreck after the other ?

UD has the same attraction as car crashes. We all slow down to look, and then hate yourselves for doing so.

Well in the good old days you could take a trip to Bedlam for a day of entertainment laughing at the loonies.

Thanks to the internet and O'Leary, that good clean fun has again become possible.

Glen Davidson

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2015,02:18   

Quote (Glen Davidson @ Oct. 09 2015,14:32)
 
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Who needs car crashes experts as long as Denyse et al.  produce one trainwreck after the other ?

UD has the same attraction as car crashes. We all slow down to look, and then hate yourselves for doing so.

Well in the good old days you could take a trip to Bedlam for a day of entertainment laughing at the loonies.

Thanks to the internet and O'Leary, that good clean fun has again become possible.

Glen Davidson

Fun it may be, but in a sad sort of way.

It is a scotoma, where is the introspection?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2015,17:27   

tried to register a sock at UD but it never went through.

mapou:
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This is getting tiresome. Which theory are they talking about? It’s easy to prove that time not only does not go backward but it does not go forward either. Time does not change, by definition. Why? It’s very simple. The moment one says that time can change, one must determine how fast it is moving. The speed of time would have to be given as v = dt/dt and this is nonsensical.


maybe it's just my physics degree and 15 years of math tutoring, but I don't see a prob with dt/dt. That would just be 1. We're moving through time at 1 second per second.

linky

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2015,16:40   

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sean samisOctober 12, 2015 at 3:02 pm
I don’t really care what Thomist philosophers think about anything, but as for the “paradigm shift”, the evidence of that is contrary. Dawkins has made himself an exemplar of why Twitter is a bad thing for impatient people and Suzan Mazur’s book is evidence of what Ms. Mazur thinks.

Meanwhile, over at the Gallup poll, they find that the number who believe that evolution is true continues to grow, the number who embrace creationism continues to shrink, and that among 18 to 29 year-olds, a distinct majority believe in some form of evolution. Since 1982, acceptance of Evolution has shifted distinctly away from “evolution with God’s help” to “evolution, but God had no part in process”.

http://www.gallup.com/poll....gn.aspx

http://www.gallup.com/poll....ns.aspx

The Pew Research Center has similar data.

http://www.pewforum.org/2013....olution

Of course, polls don’t prove theories, but they do show that year on year, in America, creationism is a fading brand.

sean s.


linky

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 13 2015,15:00   

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Big Gay might not like this …


linky

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 13 2015,16:02   

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Big Gay might not like this …


linky

Moar tard:
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Yes, but funny how few people think to make these critical points when evaluating studies of the fat gene, the religion gene, the infidelity gene, or the bad driving gene.

I had no idea these were all scientifically uncontroversial, and not just lazy-journalist oversimplifications.  Must have happened while I ran out for lunch.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2015,11:33   

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Robert ByersOctober 13, 2015 at 10:28 pm
homosexuality has no moral claim to be normal or good or okay.
It simply is a failure in the biology of a tiny percentage of the population. In fact Jesus implied there is sexual dysfunction and from failure in the body.
Its not that people are gay but not having the accurate identity attraction and then its turning into a other attraction due to a desire for attraction.
There is no gay gene or gay people there is just failure in normal people.
there is no homosexual creatures. they always are attracted to the opposite sex for sex or breeding. Yet all creatures also easily are bisexual. They can be aroused by the same sex easily.
In fact I think this is the clue for people.
Gays are aroused by the same sex just like animals but being humans who are rejecting the opposite sex they are only left with the same sex attraction.
the gay person can’t tell this in themself.
In this case animals are rightly investigated about human sexual orientation concepts.


byers has to show up and remind people he's a A-hole.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2015,12:04   

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 14 2015,12:33)
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Robert ByersOctober 13, 2015 at 10:28 pm
homosexuality has no moral claim to be normal or good or okay.
It simply is a failure in the biology of a tiny percentage of the population. In fact Jesus implied there is sexual dysfunction and from failure in the body.
Its not that people are gay but not having the accurate identity attraction and then its turning into a other attraction due to a desire for attraction.
There is no gay gene or gay people there is just failure in normal people.
there is no homosexual creatures. they always are attracted to the opposite sex for sex or breeding. Yet all creatures also easily are bisexual. They can be aroused by the same sex easily.
In fact I think this is the clue for people.
Gays are aroused by the same sex just like animals but being humans who are rejecting the opposite sex they are only left with the same sex attraction.
the gay person can’t tell this in themself.
In this case animals are rightly investigated about human sexual orientation concepts.


byers has to show up and remind people he's a A-hole.

I thought it was interesting that he shared something about himself:  "Yet all creatures also easily are bisexual. They can be aroused by the same sex easily."

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2015,15:03   

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Robert ByersOctober 13, 2015 at 10:28 pm
homosexuality has no moral claim to be normal or good or okay.
It simply is a failure in the biology of a tiny percentage of the population. In fact Jesus implied there is sexual dysfunction and from failure in the body.
Its not that people are gay but not having the accurate identity attraction and then its turning into a other attraction due to a desire for attraction.
There is no gay gene or gay people there is just failure in normal people.
there is no homosexual creatures. they always are attracted to the opposite sex for sex or breeding. Yet all creatures also easily are bisexual. They can be aroused by the same sex easily.
In fact I think this is the clue for people.
Gays are aroused by the same sex just like animals but being humans who are rejecting the opposite sex they are only left with the same sex attraction.
the gay person can’t tell this in themself.
In this case animals are rightly investigated about human sexual orientation concepts.


byers has to show up and remind people he's a A-hole.

I thought it was interesting that he shared something about himself:  "Yet all creatures also easily are bisexual. They can be aroused by the same sex easily."

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Actually, I thought his last line was more revealing.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2015,15:33   



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2015,15:44   

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"RRRRRRiiiiiiiightly Investigated"

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2015,16:23   

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 14 2015,11:33)
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Robert ByersOctober 13, 2015 at 10:28 pm
homosexuality has no moral claim to be normal or good or okay.
It simply is a failure in the biology of a tiny percentage of the population. In fact Jesus implied there is sexual dysfunction and from failure in the body.
Its not that people are gay but not having the accurate identity attraction and then its turning into a other attraction due to a desire for attraction.
There is no gay gene or gay people there is just failure in normal people.
there is no homosexual creatures. they always are attracted to the opposite sex for sex or breeding. Yet all creatures also easily are bisexual. They can be aroused by the same sex easily.
In fact I think this is the clue for people.
Gays are aroused by the same sex just like animals but being humans who are rejecting the opposite sex they are only left with the same sex attraction.
the gay person can’t tell this in themself.
In this case animals are rightly investigated about human sexual orientation concepts.


byers has to show up and remind people he's a A-hole.

"Jesus implied".  Imagine what kinds of things you can justify with that as your standard.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,10:48   

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"Jesus implied".  Imagine what kinds of things you can justify with that as your standard.

LOL

   
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