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Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:37    Quote Obviously this is the key here Guts, can you make such a prediction? Or is "DNA is complex" it? I could even make the case that elephants are complex. You still won't be anywhere close to my position.

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:37    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,05:32) "your" damn this board sucks. Still, must be quiet round your other blogs for you to be bothering here then? What, once everybody has back-slapped each other "yeah, we all agree, we are all right" there's not much left to say or do right? We understand. For us this is entertainment. For you, well you actually think you are achieving something don't you? As you've backed out of even stating your position clearly for the record it's obvious you are intractable in your head-in-the-sand position. -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:39    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,05:37) Quote Obviously this is the key here Guts, can you make such a prediction? Or is "DNA is complex" it? I could even make the case that elephants are complex. You still won't be anywhere close to my position. You could, but you prefer to act like a 15 year old. Carry on. Just cut and paste something from one of your "technical blogs" then if the idea of telling people who might not be familiar with your position (and trust me, that'll be 99.9% of people here) is so offensive. -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:41    Quote As you've backed out of even stating your position clearly for the record it's obvious you are intractable in your head-in-the-sand position. Thanks for once again admitting that you are completely ignorant of my position. It's awfully strange though that the very existence of this thread doesn't bother you given your admitted ignorance. Seems more like you're brainwashed.

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:42    Quote Just cut and paste something from one of your "technical blogs" then if the idea of telling people who might not be familiar with your position (and trust me, that'll be 99.9% of people here) is so offensive. Or better yet, try refuing any of my technical blogs. You can't.

Alan Fox Posts: 1556 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:42    Quote I'm going to show you that you are weak in terms of intellectual debate. Would a separate thread be appropriate, (assuming there are going to be more than a couple of comments)?

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:43    refuting, dam you dumbasses can't even implement a simple edit function. How dumb is that?

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:44    OR would you like to have a debate about something else? Perhaps The explanatory filter cannot be used and is in fact useless. ? That's my position. To nullify this position all you have to do is to give us an example of the Explanatory Filter in use, with the mathematical details given, on a selection of objects. To make it fair, you pick one object and we'll pick an object. You do the calculations, as nobody else can. As problems stated mathematically are usually more amenable to unambiguous results there should be little debate if the EF can be shown to work. It either does, or it does not. Can you prove, as your position seems to be, that the EF in fact works? -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:44    Quote (Alan Fox @ July 06 2008,05:42) Quote I'm going to show you that you are weak in terms of intellectual debate. Would a separate thread be appropriate, (assuming there are going to be more than a couple of comments)? No no, no seperate thread, come at me here.

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:45    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,05:43) refuting, dam you dumbasses can't even implement a simple edit function. How dumb is that? You don't get edit till you have shown you can be trusted not to go back and delete your own comments when they become an embarrassment to you. -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Alan Fox Posts: 1556 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:45    Quote Thanks for once again admitting that you are completely ignorant of my position. He's not the only one that is completely ignorant of your position. I freely admit it. What is your position? If you don't want to restate it, perhaps you have a link that says more than ... is competely ignorant and ...sucks.

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:45    The EF? lol again, you are completely ignorant of my position. The EF is as much of a joke as the assertion that steve can argue scientific topics.

dnmlthr Posts: 565 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:46    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,11:43) refuting, dam you dumbasses can't even implement a simple edit function. How dumb is that? Editing rights have to be earned. -------------- Guess what? I don't give a flying f*ck how "science works" - Ftk

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:47    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,05:44) Quote (Alan Fox @ July 06 2008,05:42)   Quote I'm going to show you that you are weak in terms of intellectual debate. Would a separate thread be appropriate, (assuming there are going to be more than a couple of comments)? No no, no seperate thread, come at me here. What do you mean? On the one hand you are saying "I don't debate people who don't know my position" and on the other you are saying "you are too intellectually challenged to debate me" Both cannot be true. Still, in your world, perhaps they can both be true and that's how you and people like you make your way in the world. -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:47    So I wonder what the point of this thread is then if no one knows my position. Perhaps that will become clear in the comming weeks.

Frostman Posts: 29 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:48    Hello Nelson Alonso aka Guts, You are digging yourself in deeper.  After being exposed for the scumbag that you are, out of desperation you come here to throw out random accusations and nonsense in sad attempt to distract from the recent stinging proof of your scumbaggery. Quote Quote In fact anon9 sent a coded message to the site administrator, Guts, saying that he was Frostman. In fact, I received no such "coded message". I did receive an e-mail from Frostman posing as JackT, who was using proxies to try to prove that he was not anon9/frostman, but still begged me to lift the ban. That is awesome.  Quote-mining from the quote-mining advocate.  Well at least it is consistent: after your steadfast defense of Bradford's out-of-context quoting, you engage in it yourself.  Here is the full quote, fool. Quote In fact anon9 sent a coded message to the site administrator, Guts, saying that he was Frostman.  anon9 said that Nelson Alonso was unethical, not Guts.  My posts here do not mention Nelson.  Only Frostman would know that Nelson Alonso is Guts, as revealed in the following correspondence where he changes his name in mid-stream. The coded message was that I called you Nelson Alonso, not Guts.  I assumed you would notice the use of your own name and immediately realize it was Frostman.  Alas, I forgot to apply the common knowledge that you are very, very stupid. Please continue digging yourself further into this hole of yours, Nelson.  Each comment you make here gets you deeper.  It is quite gratifying to watch.

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:48    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,05:45) The EF? lol again, you are completely ignorant of my position. The EF is as much of a joke as the assertion that steve can argue scientific topics. No doubt that's why you said   Quote Guts: Thats not a false positive wrt Dembski’s method, a false positive refers to using Dembski’s methodology to determine whether something is designed, and finding out it actually evolved. http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2005/05/telic-thoughts.html Changed your mind in the fact of evidence have you? I guess there's hope yet. -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Alan Fox Posts: 1556 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:48    Quote You don't get edit till you have shown you can be trusted not to go back and delete your own comments when they become an embarrassment to you. Joseph Heller would have been proud

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:48    Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ July 06 2008,05:47) Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,05:44)   Quote (Alan Fox @ July 06 2008,05:42)   Quote I'm going to show you that you are weak in terms of intellectual debate. Would a separate thread be appropriate, (assuming there are going to be more than a couple of comments)? No no, no seperate thread, come at me here. What do you mean? On the one hand you are saying "I don't debate people who don't know my position" and on the other you are saying "you are too intellectually challenged to debate me" Both cannot be true. Still, in your world, perhaps they can both be true and that's how you and people like you make your way in the world. I never said "I don't debate people who don't know my position" Why are you lying? I just said it was interesting, given the existence of this thread, that people don't know my position.

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:52    Frostman, Isn't it batshit insane, to refer to yourself in the third person. I truly think that you need psychological help, and if you e-mail me again, I can refer you to some experts that can help you. I can post the relevant comment you left if you "blacked out" because of your "problem" and can't remember. It's also interesting that you said you "sent me" a coded message, I received no such message. Why are you lying? The reason is obvious.

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:52    Guts: Quote No it doesn't, it just makes the EF fallible, and not perfect, like most sciences. If the EF detects an object as designed, and but we find out it actually evolved, then you can say that it's not reliable. But that hasn't happened yet. Pointing to the possibility that it might happen doesn't render it useless at all. hahah -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,05:57    Yes to people who are psycho that would be funny, don't blame me.

dnmlthr Posts: 565 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,06:01    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,11:57) Yes to people who are psycho that would be funny, don't blame me. Well, since you seem to have changed your position, I think it would be a good thing if you could define your position as it currently stands, in order to get rid of any misconceptions. -------------- Guess what? I don't give a flying f*ck how "science works" - Ftk

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,06:02    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,05:57) Yes to people who are psycho that would be funny, don't blame me. And so it begins. I must say Guts, I think this is the fastest ever transition from "challenge to debate" to "ignoring awkward comments" we've ever had. Grats. -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,06:03    Quote (dnmlthr @ July 06 2008,06:01) Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,11:57) Yes to people who are psycho that would be funny, don't blame me. Well, since you seem to have changed your position, I think it would be a good thing if you could define your position as it currently stands, in order to get rid of any misconceptions. How in the world could you know I changed my position if you don't even know it? Bizarre.

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,06:03    So, Guts, about the EF. Currently laughable to you, but you obviously believed in it at some point (circa 2005). What lead you to the truth of the matter? -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,06:04    Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ July 06 2008,06:02) Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,05:57) Yes to people who are psycho that would be funny, don't blame me. And so it begins. I must say Guts, I think this is the fastest ever transition from "challenge to debate" to "ignoring awkward comments" we've ever had. Grats. Why would you say that? You don't even know my position, so it's not even possible that you could even debate me. It shows your lack of intellect really. Multiple pages of this thread, and you don't even know my position? How is that not hilarious.

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,06:05    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,06:03) Quote (dnmlthr @ July 06 2008,06:01) Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,11:57) Yes to people who are psycho that would be funny, don't blame me. Well, since you seem to have changed your position, I think it would be a good thing if you could define your position as it currently stands, in order to get rid of any misconceptions. How in the world could you know I changed my position if you don't even know it? Bizarre. I've just shown how you've changed your position on the EF. Why is it so unbelievable you might have changed your other positions in the fact of factual evidence shown why those positions were wrong? We don't know exactly where you've got to in your struggle to discard all the debris of a damaged mind, so if you can state your current position we can hold your hand while you inch towards the reality based community. -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Alan Fox Posts: 1556 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,06:07    Please, please, please, Guts, State your position. Thanks in advance.

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,06:08    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,06:04) Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ July 06 2008,06:02)   Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,05:57) Yes to people who are psycho that would be funny, don't blame me. And so it begins. I must say Guts, I think this is the fastest ever transition from "challenge to debate" to "ignoring awkward comments" we've ever had. Grats. Why would you say that? You don't even know my position, so it's not even possible that you could even debate me. It shows your lack of intellect really. Multiple pages of this thread, and you don't even know my position? How is that not hilarious. Guts, have I said I don't know what your position is? OK, what do you want to debate about? Shall we try that? How about "how the explanatory filter is a worthless construct that is only used to fool the less mathematical into believing that design detection has a foundation in reality when in fact it's just the math icing on a cake of nothing" -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

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