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dvunkannon



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(Permalink) Posted: July 07 2011,13:33   

Finger Length Related to Penis Size!!1!

http://news.yahoo.com/finger-length-linked-penis-size-131801200.html

Since I'm getting no uptake on the real science, we'll switch gears and go for the National Enquirer-level reporting.

If I was smart, I'd write an iPhone App that you could use to take a pic of a guy's hand in a bar, and it would advise on penis size to expect (or avoid being disappointed by) later in the evening. It would even analyze skin color to apply a scale factor appropriate to ethnicity. Then I could retire on my new fortune as thousands of women and gay men downloaded my masterpiece.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 07 2011,13:34   

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This article brings up the interesting point that for 50 years we had no explanation for the phenomenon of superconductivity. This could be a good discussion point for anti-evos talking about non-materialist explanations in science. Did any useful non-materialist explanation get put forward in 50 years? Was Darwinism suppressing these?


I wouldn't know, as I'm not entirely sure what "non-materialist" even means. In the context in which I've seen that term used lately, it seems to mean ignoring the relevant evidence, which doesn't seem to me like a good thing.

But maybe I missed something?  :O

  
dvunkannon



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(Permalink) Posted: July 07 2011,14:34   

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This article brings up the interesting point that for 50 years we had no explanation for the phenomenon of superconductivity. This could be a good discussion point for anti-evos talking about non-materialist explanations in science. Did any useful non-materialist explanation get put forward in 50 years? Was Darwinism suppressing these?


I wouldn't know, as I'm not entirely sure what "non-materialist" even means. In the context in which I've seen that term used lately, it seems to mean ignoring the relevant evidence, which doesn't seem to me like a good thing.

But maybe I missed something?  :O

Cornelius Hunter is currently making a big thing of this. Check his blog or the thread here.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 07 2011,23:46   

Quote (dvunkannon @ July 07 2011,14:33)
Finger Length Related to Penis Size!!1!

http://news.yahoo.com/finger-length-linked-penis-size-131801200.html

Since I'm getting no uptake on the real science, we'll switch gears and go for the National Enquirer-level reporting.

If I was smart, I'd write an iPhone App that you could use to take a pic of a guy's hand in a bar, and it would advise on penis size to expect (or avoid being disappointed by) later in the evening. It would even analyze skin color to apply a scale factor appropriate to ethnicity. Then I could retire on my new fortune as thousands of women and gay men downloaded my masterpiece.

DAYUM

with ideas like that you don't need to know how to do shit.  call perez hilton's programmer immediately!

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(Permalink) Posted: July 12 2011,07:44   

Happy revolution around the Sun, Neptune!

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dvunkannon



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(Permalink) Posted: July 15 2011,10:20   

Quick question for the masses reading this thread:

I'm considering purchase of "The Chemistry of Evolution", 2006, RJP Williams and da Silva. I can only get it hardcopy and it is expensive. Is it worth it? I looked at the table of contents online (BN) and it seemed valuable to have at least the first half of the book. These chapters cover physical chemistry, abiogenesis, oxidation of the Earth's surface through to anerobic prokaryote life.

After that, I'm not sure how valuable the book will be. If I understand the argument laid out in the preface, the authors conceive of life as being classifiable into chemotypes, based on the kinds of energy and chemical processes species use. Sounds cool, but then I would expect the book to focus on things like methanogens, and other relatively exotic chemistry. Instead, anerobic prokaryotes lead to aerobic prokaryotes, eukaryotes, metazoans, complex brains, and finally man - all as an 'inevitable' directed sequence.

It all sounds ripe for quote mining by cosmic fine tuners. Are they really going to argue that metazoans are a new chemotype compared to single celled eukaryotes?

If you have the book, or others by the same pair of authors, I'd appreciate your opinion.

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dvunkannon



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(Permalink) Posted: July 15 2011,12:21   

http://www.naturalgenome.at/pdf/talks/Forterre.komp.pdf

An entertaining slide deck captured as PDF from Patrick Forterre. Viruses are apparently responsible for all that is interesting about cellular life. Amusing English  written as if it were a dialect of Surrenderese, as a bonus.

Should probably crosspost to the Abiogenesis thread, but its Friday.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 19 2011,11:22   

There is an important discussion going on at Inside Higher Ed re opening up peer-review to an online "Wiki" model. I weigh in with my mixed feelings.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 19 2011,12:49   

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There is an important discussion going on at Inside Higher Ed re opening up peer-review to an online "Wiki" model. I weigh in with my mixed feelings.

Looks to me like they are advocating something like rottentomatoes.com, where you have all critics and top critics. Maybe you get to filter on your own selection of top critics.

I think given a couple of decades, something like this will happen. Don't know if it will be a good thing, but it seems like the way things are going.

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Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: July 19 2011,21:41   

Quote (midwifetoad @ July 19 2011,12:49)
 
Quote (Kristine @ July 19 2011,11:22)
There is an important discussion going on at Inside Higher Ed re opening up peer-review to an online "Wiki" model. I weigh in with my mixed feelings.

Looks to me like they are advocating something like rottentomatoes.com, where you have all critics and top critics. Maybe you get to filter on your own selection of top critics.

I think given a couple of decades, something like this will happen. Don't know if it will be a good thing, but it seems like the way things are going.

I disagree. I think a rottentomatoes model is already out of date. If we are talking a "paradigm change" (gawd, I have come to hate that phrase!;) then let's have a real transformation that addresses the problems of scholarly publication (e.g., the publishers themselves, costs, and zero-sum signing away rights to one's work).

Scientific collaboratories and the Zooniverse are already taking us into different online collaborative areas than just "add Amazon.com comments and stir." These provide controls and parameters that are not mere popularity contests.

It's an important discussion, but the underlying ethics and methodologies of peer review are not the issue and should not change.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: July 19 2011,21:48   

I wasn't thinking about a free-for all. I was thinking about a model where your view of critical comments would be filtered. I don't know how the filters would be developed, but I assume that commenters would be sorted according to qualifications.

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Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: July 19 2011,22:50   

Quote (midwifetoad @ July 19 2011,21:48)
I wasn't thinking about a free-for all. I was thinking about a model where your view of critical comments would be filtered. I don't know how the filters would be developed, but I assume that commenters would be sorted according to qualifications.

Oh, I see. I think another problem, though, is actually getting qualified people to show up and comment.

Open access online repositories ran into this problem with faculty; faculty agreed with depositing their work with the university in theory, but balked at actually doing it because they thought it would mean more work for them.

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dvunkannon



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(Permalink) Posted: July 22 2011,08:33   

http://www.biology-direct.com/content/6/1/39

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Of Woods and Webs: Possible alternatives to the tree of life for studying genomic fluidity in E. coli

Julie Beauregard-Racine , Cedric Bicep , Klaus Schliep , Philippe Lopez , Francois-Joseph Lapointe  and Eric Bapteste

Biology Direct 2011, 6:39doi:10.1186/1745-6150-6-39


Published: 20 July 2011

Abstract (provisional)

Background
We introduce several forest-based and network-based methods for exploring microbial evolution, and apply them to the study of thousands of genes from 30 strains of E. coli. This case study illustrates how additional analyses could offer fast heuristic alternatives to standard tree of life (TOL) approaches.

Results
We use gene networks to identify genes with atypical modes of evolution, and genome networks to characterize the evolution of genetic partnerships between E. coli and mobile genetic elements. We develop a novel polychromatic quartet method to capture patterns of recombination within E. coli, to update the clanistic toolkit, and to search for the impact of lateral gene transfer and of pathogenicity on gene evolution in two large forests of trees bearing E. coli. We unravel high rates of lateral gene transfer involving E. coli (about 40% of the trees under study), and show that both core genes and shell genes of E. coli are affected by non-tree-like evolutionary processes. We show that pathogenic lifestyle impacted the structure of 30% of the gene trees, and that pathogenic strains are more likely to transfer genes with one another than with non-pathogenic strains. In addition, we propose five groups of genes as candidate mobile modules of pathogenicity. We also present strong evidence for recent lateral gene transfer between E. coli and mobile genetic elements.

Conclusions
Depending on which evolutionary questions biologists want to address (i.e. the identification of modules, genetic partnerships, recombination, lateral gene transfer, or genes with atypical evolutionary modes, etc.), forest-based and network-based methods are preferable to the reconstruction of a single tree, because they provide insights and produce hypotheses about the dynamics of genome evolution, rather than the relative branching order of species and lineages. Such a methodological pluralism - the use of woods and webs - is to be encouraged to analyse the evolutionary processes at play in microbial evolution. This manuscript was reviewed by: Ford Doolittle, Tal Pupko, Richard Burian, James McInerney, Didier Raoult, and Yan Boucher


An article ripe for misunderstanding by DeNews. But note that even these critics of TOL consider LGT and gene webs to be 'atypical' evolutionary modes.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 27 2011,08:30   

If I understand non-duality, all that there is is made from one energy, so it seems obvious there would be patterns repeated throughout; the universe and the mind are modeled on the same pattern - can we perceive a limit to our minds? Can we see the edge? Is there ever any expansion? Some people claim to be able to imagine being outside of themselves (or even actually traveling outside themselves!) and so it seems, in reflecting back on the universe, why not more than just the habitually egocentric ONE that we repeatedly revise, as the article points out? Wrong about the sun, wrong about the galaxy... typical of man to wonder are we the only ones; to have that thought creates the likelihood of the answer being, no,stupid, we're not alone at all.

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That one is particularly... ummm... yeah...

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(Permalink) Posted: July 28 2011,08:42   

Found this bit on the new specimen found in China interesting. I'm surprised that the ID folks haven't jumped all over this, but then maybe I just missed it. Of course, it's a bit early to make any firm conclusions, but it is interesting still.

The specimen is called Xiaotingia zhengi.

Some interesting comments btw.

ETA: Spoke too soon. News has predictably misrepresented it.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: July 28 2011,08:54   

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I'm surprised that the ID folks haven't jumped all over this...


But what's its baramin?

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: July 28 2011,11:44   

But would it taste like chicken?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 29 2011,10:24   

"Cilia-Like Beating of Active Microtubule Bundles"

If you build it, it will wiggle

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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2011,07:54   

Our paper in Science generates controversy!  Mwahahahaha!  

"Lab Course Goals: Science or Writing?," letter by Michael Groggin critiquing our (Moskovitz & Kellogg) recent paper in Science, along with our response.

Science 29 July 2011: Vol. 333 no. 6042 p. 524
DOI: 10.1126/science.333.6042.524-a?

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OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 02 2011,09:16   

In case anyone is curious,

"A Framework for K-12 Science Education: Practices, Crosscutting Concepts, and Core Ideas" is available here for free download.

http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=13165

This is still a draft copy, but only in the fact that it hasn't had the final copy-edit done yet.  They are very late, hence the pre-publication status.

So far it looks pretty good.  Just reading Chapter 3 points to some of the major problems that many creationists and other anti-science people have with science.  i.e. they were educated poorly or not at all.

It is believed that if states adopt this document as the principle science curriculum, then much of that will be dealt with through proper science education.  Of course, we can't help those poor kids in private schools (especially those with a history of lying to and/or abusing children in their care).

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2011,22:25   

http://atlasobscura.com/place/blood-falls

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2011,07:04   

In an article at Science Daily, I find        
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The study's results also help to explain two puzzles: the persistence of schizophrenia, despite the fact that those with the disease do not tend to pass down their mutations through children; and the high global incidence of the disease, despite large environmental variations.

I am curious about the reason why they do not tend to pass down their mutations to their children.

That is of course a good tendency, but there has to be a mechanism.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2011,07:17   

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In an article at Science Daily, I find        
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The study's results also help to explain two puzzles: the persistence of schizophrenia, despite the fact that those with the disease do not tend to pass down their mutations through children; and the high global incidence of the disease, despite large environmental variations.

I am curious about the reason why they do not tend to pass down their mutations to their children.

That is of course a good tendency, but there has to be a mechanism.

I like to think that the schizo-gene-carrying spermatozoids don't have a clue who they really are and what they have to do, so instead of running for the egg, they just sit in a confy corner and have a nice chat with themselves.

DISCLAIMER: Not a scientific hypothesis.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2011,07:51   

Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Aug. 08 2011,07:17)
 
Quote (Quack @ Aug. 08 2011,13:04)
In an article at Science Daily, I find            
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The study's results also help to explain two puzzles: the persistence of schizophrenia, despite the fact that those with the disease do not tend to pass down their mutations through children; and the high global incidence of the disease, despite large environmental variations.

I am curious about the reason why they do not tend to pass down their mutations to their children.

That is of course a good tendency, but there has to be a mechanism.

I like to think that the schizo-gene-carrying spermatozoids don't have a clue who they really are and what they have to do, so instead of running for the egg, they just sit in a confy corner and have a nice chat with themselves.

DISCLAIMER: Not a scientific hypothesis.

I could have opted for that except for the reference to 'their children'. Unless we are talking about hypothetical children.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2011,08:37   

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I am curious about the reason why they do not tend to pass down their mutations to their children.


Schizophrenic men tend to have fewer children. I don't think this applies to women. But as a former protective services worker, I can say that schizophrenic women are less likely to successfully raise children (or maintain custody).

Intelligent schizophrenic men, however, can be very successful at manipulating courts and agencies.

I'm afraid my evidence is anecdotal.

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Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2011,10:33   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 08 2011,08:37)
 
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I am curious about the reason why they do not tend to pass down their mutations to their children.


Schizophrenic men tend to have fewer children. I don't think this applies to women. But as a former protective services worker, I can say that schizophrenic women are less likely to successfully raise children (or maintain custody).

Intelligent schizophrenic men, however, can be very successful at manipulating courts and agencies.

I'm afraid my evidence is anecdotal.

Yes, I would have thought so.

Whereas my question possibly may be based on just another case of journalistic  distortion.


ETA: lost word.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2011,22:01   

This is pretty cool. An interesting application of Allen's Rule:

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Focusing on 10 species and subspecies of tidal salt marsh sparrow, the team measured 1,380 specimens and found that the variation in the sparrows' bill size was strongly related to the variation in the daily high summer temperatures of their salt marsh breeding habitats -- the higher the average summer temperature, the larger the bill. Birds pump blood into tissue inside the bill at high temperatures and the body's heat is released into the air. Because larger bills have a greater surface area than smaller bills, they serve as more effective thermoregulatory organs under hot conditions. On average, the study found the bills of sparrows in marshes with high summer temperatures to be up to 90 percent larger than those of the same species in cooler marshes.


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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 18 2011,15:26   

Whoa! British libraries go all anti-truck system on both Elsevier and Wile-E-Blackwelly.
 
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If the libraries cancel their big deals, they intend to make savings by buying only high-use journals from the publishers. Articles from lower-use journals will be shared between them in an electronic version of an inter-library loan. Prosser admitted that the publishers might react by putting up the price of high-use journals, but predicted that such a move would fall foul of competition authorities. He said he expected that libraries would already be talking to researchers about the titles that could be dropped with the least impact.

"It is not a question of whether we drop journals, it is a question of which we drop," he said.

Gobbler and Cobbler naturally have "no comment" for once. Wiley-Blackwell really astonished me. All I did was subscribe to JASIST and I received via snail mail glossy ads for Quantum Soil Erosion Quarterly and I-Am-Lewontin-Yellow science catalogs.  :angry:

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 20 2011,22:42   

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Whoa! British libraries go all anti-truck system on both Elsevier and Wile-E-Blackwelly.
   
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If the libraries cancel their big deals, they intend to make savings by buying only high-use journals from the publishers. Articles from lower-use journals will be shared between them in an electronic version of an inter-library loan. Prosser admitted that the publishers might react by putting up the price of high-use journals, but predicted that such a move would fall foul of competition authorities. He said he expected that libraries would already be talking to researchers about the titles that could be dropped with the least impact.

"It is not a question of whether we drop journals, it is a question of which we drop," he said.

Gobbler and Cobbler naturally have "no comment" for once. Wiley-Blackwell really astonished me. All I did was subscribe to JASIST and I received via snail mail glossy ads for Quantum Soil Erosion Quarterly and I-Am-Lewontin-Yellow science catalogs.  :angry:

What? They didn't offer you Picogram Dilution Wellness Weekly?

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 25 2011,04:09   

How will DeNews spin this?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/release....520.htm
Engineers Discover Nanoscale Balancing Act That Mirrors Forces at Work in Living Systems

Basic physical forces govern the self assembly of large systems of uniform building blocks, similar to viral self assembly. The point of the story is another nail in the coffin of ID, but it will probably be spun as evidence for cosmic fine tuning and how human scientists can always learn something from the Great Designer.

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