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Assassinator



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,08:33   

Someone sad the show would be online on friday, is it there already and if so what's the site?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,08:37   

Quote (Mister DNA @ Nov. 16 2007,08:31)
It must be Friday... Joe G has made an appearance at the PBS Forum.

This is gonna be great!

He has also announced his candidacy over at UD.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,08:37   

Quote (Assassinator @ Nov. 16 2007,08:33)
Someone sad the show would be online on friday, is it there already and if so what's the site?

It's posted here in 12 chapters; you'll need Quicktime.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,09:05   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Nov. 16 2007,01:32)
cdesign proponentsists gear thread

First up:



I have some ideas that I'm working on. If anyone wants to contribute an idea for me to implement, go ahead and mention it here.


With permission from Wes (I balked at plugging "the competition" here without asking first), here are some more:

Some of PZ's commenters are also working on some slogans and Tshirts etc.

Here's some, here, here, and here, all from this thread at Pharyngula.

Hopefully, they'll all catch on and become ubiquitous.

Edited by Lou FCD on Nov. 16 2007,10:05

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,09:47   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Nov. 16 2007,08:37)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Nov. 16 2007,08:31)
It must be Friday... Joe G has made an appearance at the PBS Forum.

This is gonna be great!

He has also announced his candidacy over at UD.

I think we need to resurrect the Joe G. Thread; this is definitely one to watch.

Let's hope Denyse O'Leary and Bornagain77 do his speech writing.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,09:57   

Quote (Mister DNA @ Nov. 16 2007,09:47)
 
Quote (carlsonjok @ Nov. 16 2007,08:37)
He has also announced his candidacy over at UD.

I think we need to resurrect the Joe G. Thread; this is definitely one to watch.

Let's hope Denyse O'Leary and Bornagain77 do his speech writing.

That would be funny. From BA77:

 
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If we want this school district to be a mod{mumble, mumble}el district, we need to turn our back on the domi{mumble, mumble}nant Darwinist fallacies.  And don't worry about lawsuits.  I will testify and it will be the dea{mumble, mumble}th of the materialists!!

or maybe from Denyse:
 
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I am running for the schoolboard because Joe G knows this is a great district, except for the science curriculum.  My only issue will be to change the biology to ID science because Joe knows you don't throw the baby out with the whole barrel of rotten apples.


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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,10:04   

Nothing would be more magnificent than to see some of the UDers get elected to local school boards.  If any of you are moles please encourage the tards to run for election.

I'd love to see some UD tards get elected and the riff-raff that would follow.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,10:49   

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I think we need to resurrect the Joe G. Thread; this is definitely one to watch.

Let's hope Denyse O'Leary and Bornagain77 do his speech writing.

Joe is engaging in his usual blustering and waffling on the NOVA/PBS blog, as expected. He resurrected an "argument" that he had used on one of the threads at Behe's Amazon blog, but since that was one of the threads that got closed when Behe figured out the problem, I couldn't link to my putdown of his stuff there. It would be interesting to read the previous stuff, if only to see how closely the discussion mirrors that previous one.

One of the nice things about that PBS site is that you can click on the name of a commenter and you get a screen that than allows you to click on a link that shows all the comments made by that individual. So if you click on JoeG you can follow him around and pester him. I'd highly recommend it.  But it would also be nice to be able to do that on this board? Steve, Wes, or anyone; is that possible?

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,12:23   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Nov. 16 2007,07:37)
 
Quote (Mister DNA @ Nov. 16 2007,08:31)
It must be Friday... Joe G has made an appearance at the PBS Forum.

This is gonna be great!

He has also announced his candidacy over at UD.

Hum, "New England." Keep your eyes peeled for more school board election shenanigans.

If he's serious the public might be interested in all the stuff he's said at UD.

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One of the nice things about that PBS site is that you can click on the name of a commenter and you get a screen that than allows you to click on a link that shows all the comments made by that individual. So if you click on JoeG you can follow him around and pester him. I'd highly recommend it.  But it would also be nice to be able to do that on this board? Steve, Wes, or anyone; is that possible?

That would be a nice compliment to the indexing idea I have.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,15:26   

From the PBS forum (emphasis added by me):


Also, if humans are simply genetic mutations of some simpler life form, then why are we the only species that wears clothes? why then the timidity? are you going to contend that evolution also created human emotions as well, and the ability for men to know that they are naked? why then no such timidity in other species?

Here


Argumentum ad figleafus?  

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm convinced! ;)

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,21:42   

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Leftfield:

From the PBS forum (emphasis added by me):

Also, if humans are simply genetic mutations of some simpler life form, then why are we the only species that wears clothes? why then the timidity?


Was that a rhetorical question from whoever asked it? The obvious answer is that we don't have fur, or the layers of insulating material that some other mammals have. I suspect that the timidity is simply a side effect of having worn clothing most of our lives.

Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,21:49   

Quote (Leftfield @ Nov. 16 2007,16:26)
From the PBS forum (emphasis added by me):


Also, if humans are simply genetic mutations of some simpler life form, then why are we the only species that wears clothes? why then the timidity? are you going to contend that evolution also created human emotions as well, and the ability for men to know that they are naked? why then no such timidity in other species?

Here


Argumentum ad figleafus?  

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm convinced! ;)

I was at the zoo in Asheboro about a year ago. One of the chimps lurked around the visitors, and let's just say he had a great time with himself in front of them. The kindergarten teachers and chaperones with the class who was there were aghast, but the kindergarteners themselves thought it was the funniest thing they'd ever seen.

Maybe they don't wear clothes because they're exhibitionists. ;-)

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,22:23   

Human clothing taboo is pretty nearly universal, even if only in a minimal fashion, like a string that pins the cock to the stomach by the foreskin.

My theory is that we have "clothing" that denotes whether we're supposed to be having sex right then or not. If not, we're damn well dressed in whatever social convention dictates.

Of course, the creationist side of this argument is that "god did it", so coming out with the semi-nuanced ev psych is probably a waste of time ...

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 17 2007,04:27   

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Also, if humans are simply genetic mutations of some simpler life form, then why are we the only species that wears clothes? why then the timidity?

I dunno.  Ask a caddis fly.  Or a hermit crab.

Bob

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 17 2007,04:44   

Also from the PBS thread:
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Gee I can't help but notice so few of the so-called 'scientists' in here responding to this thread.

Gee, you'd think they'd be stacked up like planes over O'Hara to get into this thread and say something, seeing how it's in the nice and tidy so-called 'scientific' language they claim they prefer.

They are.  I can hardly breathe thanks to the palaeontologists sat on my chest.

Could be worse, though.  Last week it was lung surgeons.  It was like Thoracic Park.

Bob

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 18 2007,12:13   

FtK has joined the fray at the PBS blog,, and Joe G has returned!

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 18 2007,18:10   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Nov. 17 2007,05:27)
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Also, if humans are simply genetic mutations of some simpler life form, then why are we the only species that wears clothes? why then the timidity?

That's your God of the argument.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 19 2007,11:33   

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Also, if humans are simply genetic mutations of some simpler life form, then why are we the only species that wears clothes? why then the timidity?


Are there not some parts of the world were humans still don't wear clothes ? Certainly here in Norn Iron you'd soon die of hypothermia if you were naked for any length of time in the winter (and we rarely get snow these days).

Still, even in the civilized world we have nudist colonies, naked beaches in the South of France, and even strip/lap dancing clubs etc, so being naked seems to be the preferred option for many humans still.

However, looking at the general shape of most people (I was aghast at the sheer size of some of the Americans when I visited Florida a number of years ago) there seems to have been some good come out of the fall after all !

I watched the PBS docu yesterday afternoon and thought it was excellent. I can't see what the DI and AiG have to complain about.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/article....ent-day

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 19 2007,12:48   

Dear Peter

Please don't confuse Florida with America.  We don't like them anymore than you do.  We tried to cut it loose and attach the state to New Jersey but they didn't want the mosquitoes and felons.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 20 2007,01:04   

Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 18 2007,18:10)
Quote (Bob O'H @ Nov. 17 2007,05:27)
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Also, if humans are simply genetic mutations of some simpler life form, then why are we the only species that wears clothes? why then the timidity?

That's your God of the argument.

That was clever Steve. Not as clever as my "DI placing Hitler's brain in a great white shark" gag but still pretty good.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 20 2007,01:20   

Thanks, Rob.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 20 2007,09:06   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Nov. 17 2007,10:44)
Also from the PBS thread:
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Gee I can't help but notice so few of the so-called 'scientists' in here responding to this thread.

Gee, you'd think they'd be stacked up like planes over O'Hara to get into this thread and say something, seeing how it's in the nice and tidy so-called 'scientific' language they claim they prefer.

They are.  I can hardly breathe thanks to the palaeontologists sat on my chest.

Could be worse, though.  Last week it was lung surgeons.  It was like Thoracic Park.

Bob

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 23 2007,18:27   

I liked this comment:

"I think of myself as being a sort of living disproof of evolution, because my great great grandfather was Charles Darwin. And I'm a screenwriter. This is not evolution in the right direction."

Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,13:39   

The Discovery Institute launches a new website-across-the-bow of the Evil Atheist Conspiracy News Network.  Come one, come all to Judging PBS!!

Endless rehashes, most boring!

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,13:40   

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The Discovery Institute launches a new website-across-the-bow of the Evil Atheist Consipracy News Network.  Come one, come all to Judging PBS!!

Endless rehashes, most boring!

Wah wah wah!

To think they left their busy labs for that.

*bites lip*

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,13:44   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 20 2007,13:40)
 
Quote (carlsonjok @ Dec. 20 2007,13:39)
The Discovery Institute launches a new website-across-the-bow of the Evil Atheist Consipracy News Network.  Come one, come all to Judging PBS!!

Endless rehashes, most boring!

Wah wah wah!

To think they left their busy labs for that.

*bites lip*

You mean this lab?



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,13:52   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Dec. 20 2007,13:39)
The Discovery Institute launches a new website-across-the-bow of the Evil Atheist Conspiracy News Network.  Come one, come all to Judging PBS!!

Endless rehashes, most boring!

Either the entire Interwebs are part of teh Darwinista Conspiracy, or they have a couple of design bugs to work out, cuz there was nowhere for me to comment at their brand-new all sciencey site.

I'm sure they are working on it in their labs as we speak.

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