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Posted: Aug. 23 2007,08:24

He's baaaaaack.....

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Posted: Aug. 23 2007,16:07

"They seek him here, they seek him there,
They do not find him anywhere.
Is he in heaven? Is he in hell?* ?
That demmed elusive Pimpernel!"

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*In the movie of The Scarlet Pimpernel (one of several film and TV versions), from which I draw this ditty, the word "hell" was apparently deemed too racy to actually utter: the actor paused and pointed downward instead. ?Kind of like the IDists' reluctance to actually identify their designer.

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Posted: Sep. 05 2007,11:48

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Sorry to have been away from the discussion: my travel schedule has kicked in again. ? I'll have only infrequent net access for the next two weeks.

I talked with Discovery and a moderation-light Explore Evolution (EE) critique board there is a live possibility. ? I say "moderation-light," because the critical posts will need to address the content of EE, not my failure to publish my monograph, DI funding sources, etc. ? Except for that content requirement, however, and the usual no-vulgarity stuff, the board should be totally open.

Given my travel, the board won't be operational until mid-August. ? Until then, keep posting here, and I'll continue compiling criticisms.

That was way back in July, and we know that Nelson has logged in here at least twice since then, but hasn't bothered to answer any of the many questions that have been asked, and the "Debate" page on the EE website is still empty.

Maybe Nelson is back in Rome, where there's no access to the Series of Tubes.

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Posted: Sep. 06 2007,14:23

Quote (Jim_Wynne @ Sep. 05 2007,11:48)

Quote (Paul Nelson @ July 23 2007,14:57)

Sorry to have been away from the discussion: my travel schedule has kicked in again. ? I'll have only infrequent net access for the next two weeks.

I talked with Discovery and a moderation-light Explore Evolution (EE) critique board there is a live possibility. ? I say "moderation-light," because the critical posts will need to address the content of EE, not my failure to publish my monograph, DI funding sources, etc. ? Except for that content requirement, however, and the usual no-vulgarity stuff, the board should be totally open.

Given my travel, the board won't be operational until mid-August. ? Until then, keep posting here, and I'll continue compiling criticisms.

That was way back in July, and we know that Nelson has logged in here at least twice since then, but hasn't bothered to answer any of the many questions that have been asked, and the "Debate" page on the EE website is still empty.

Maybe Nelson is back in Rome, where there's no access to the Series of Tubes.

REG:
? ?We're giving Pilate two days to dismantle the entire apparatus of the Roman Imperialist State, and if he doesn't agree immediately, we execute her.
MATTHIAS:
? ?Cut her head off?
FRANCIS:
? ?Cut all her bits off. Send 'em back on the hour every hour. Show them we're not to be trifled with.
REG:
? ?And of course, we point out that they bear full responsibility when we chop her up, and that we shall not submit to blackmail!
COMMANDOS:
? ?No blackmail!
REG:
? ?They've bled us white, the bastards. They've taken everything we had, and not just from us, from our fathers, and from our fathers' fathers.
LORETTA:
? ?And from our fathers' fathers' fathers.
REG:
? ?Yeah.
LORETTA:
? ?And from our fathers' fathers' fathers' fathers.
REG:
? ?Yeah. All right, Stan. Don't labour the point. And what have they ever given us in return?!
XERXES:
? ?The Series of Tubes?

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Posted: Sep. 06 2007,18:47

What was it that the Explore Evolution debate page says again? Oh yeah, here it is:

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One way scientists have advanced the frontiers of human knowledge is through spirited, yet civil, debate about the meaning of publicly accessible evidence. Scientists often debate how best to interpret the available evidence. Controversy in science is nothing new. It?s not a distraction; it?s normal.

But still they haven?t debated anyone. By their own standards they must not be normal.

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Posted: Sep. 07 2007,11:45

Quote (silverspoon @ Sep. 06 2007,16:47)

What was it that the Explore Evolution debate page says again? Oh yeah, here it is:

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One way scientists have advanced the frontiers of human knowledge is through spirited, yet civil, debate about the meaning of publicly accessible evidence. Scientists often debate how best to interpret the available evidence. Controversy in science is nothing new. It?s not a distraction; it?s normal.

But still they haven?t debated anyone. By their own standards they must not be normal.

Or not scientists.

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Posted: Sep. 27 2007,11:59

Quote (Jim_Wynne @ Sep. 05 2007,11:48)

Quote (Paul Nelson @ July 23 2007,14:57)

Sorry to have been away from the discussion: my travel schedule has kicked in again. ? I'll have only infrequent net access for the next two weeks.

I talked with Discovery and a moderation-light Explore Evolution (EE) critique board there is a live possibility. ? I say "moderation-light," because the critical posts will need to address the content of EE, not my failure to publish my monograph, DI funding sources, etc. ? Except for that content requirement, however, and the usual no-vulgarity stuff, the board should be totally open.

Given my travel, the board won't be operational until mid-August. ? Until then, keep posting here, and I'll continue compiling criticisms.

That was way back in July, and we know that Nelson has logged in here at least twice since then, but hasn't bothered to answer any of the many questions that have been asked, and the "Debate" page on the EE website is still empty.

Maybe Nelson is back in Rome, where there's no access to the Series of Tubes.

The "Further Debate" page is still empty. They've been awfully quiet about EE of late. Paul Nelson must be very busy in the lab.

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Posted: Oct. 05 2007,15:48

Whatever happened to this book? Is it still being actively promoted? Are sales brisk? Or has it already sunk into oblivion?

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Posted: Oct. 05 2007,17:55

Quote (ck1 @ Oct. 05 2007,15:48)

Whatever happened to this book? Is it still being actively promoted? Are sales brisk? Or has it already sunk into oblivion?

It's really quite simple, ck1: We have always been at war with Eastasia...

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Posted: Oct. 11 2007,07:19

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Paul, where can I join the "official" discussion for EE?

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Posted: Nov. 08 2007,13:15

Paul Nelson sighting!!!

Paul Nelson Viewing a topic in: After the Bar Closes... Nov. 08 2007,13:00

Hey paul, where'd you go?

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Posted: Nov. 09 2007,10:09

And another sighting today! Maybe soon Paul will figure out how the keyboard works and answer some questions here...

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Posted: Nov. 16 2007,20:18

And another a few minutes ago!

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Posted: Nov. 17 2007,09:37

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And another a few minutes ago!

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I think this thread might have given Nelson et al a little to think about. It seems more than coincidental that the hoopla over Exploring Evolution died after all of the obvious ties to creationist canards were pointed out. If this is the case, it makes you wonder about how stupid those people really are. And the fact that Nelson keeps popping in here while logged in compounds the dumbness.

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Posted: Nov. 17 2007,18:12

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Quote (Richard Simons @ Nov. 16 2007,20:18)

And another a few minutes ago!

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I think this thread might have given Nelson et al a little to think about. It seems more than coincidental that the hoopla over Exploring Evolution died after all of the obvious ties to creationist canards were pointed out. If this is the case, it makes you wonder about how stupid those people really are. And the fact that Nelson keeps popping in here while logged in compounds the dumbness.

I think we can officially declare that brave Sir Nelson has run away... :angry:

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Posted: Nov. 17 2007,19:24

Yet Again . . .

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Posted: Nov. 17 2007,22:59

Quote (Jim_Wynne @ Nov. 17 2007,10:37)

If this is the case, it makes you wonder about how stupid those people really are.

We're never far away from this question.

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You know the question, just as I did. "

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Posted: Nov. 18 2007,04:59

"Where's the beef?"

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Posted: Nov. 18 2007,19:44

"You're a huge jerk, Lou."

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Posted: Nov. 19 2007,10:43

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And the fact that Nelson keeps popping in here while logged in compounds the dumbness.

That part is, as one of my hillbilly buddies says, Mind-Bottling

what kind of dumbass doesn't realize that he is logged in after 25 sightings?

One who just doesn't care that we are laughing about this? I was really looking forward to some discussion about EE.

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I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

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Posted: Nov. 19 2007,18:49

You both owe me.

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Posted: Nov. 20 2007,00:35

Discussion with us about EE is not in Paul's best interest.

Well, I mean, in the narrow sense of 'best interest'. Obviously, if he would listen to people who weren't religious zealots, he would realize that this creationism stuff is a waste of time, and that would really benefit him in the future. But in the narrow sense of his best interest being to promote this dishonest nonsense, why should he talk to us? He's better off talking to fundamentalist ministers and high school dropouts and recovering homeless alcoholics like BornAgain77.

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Posted: Nov. 20 2007,00:57

In my darker moments I can understand frauds and con men. If I had a trustworthy face* I would be very tempted to be a televangelist. I mean, a little bible shuck-and-jive for million dollar paychecks? Who could resist? But Paul's not selling out for big paychecks. He's promoting nonsense for pennies on the dollar. What a waste. He has some brains, he could actually do something interesting, but he's just going to throw away his best years writing really horrible arguments defending really worthless ideas.

*We're very superficial creatures, and we mistakenly read personality traits from facial features. Tom Hanks always looks sincere and friendly, for instance,

while Lance Henrikson always looks gloomy and morbid

but we really have no business inferring those things. Their faces are circumstances of development and genetics, and shouldn't be correlated to their mental states.

While some people might have trustworthy faces, I have always appeared to be the clever guy who is trying to pull a fast one despite having a massive hangover. The fact that this is sometimes true should not detract from my larger point that it shouldn't be inferred.

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Posted: Nov. 20 2007,23:08

John Lynch says:

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Oh, and when’s the last time there was any science coming from these guys? Instead we have yet another version of Pandas from Dembski and Wells, a popular book from Behe (one which appeared still-born), and nothing from Paul Nelson. Remember two and a half years ago when he stated

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Bill Dembski and I have been working on a shorter article, with some of the monograph’s main points [against common descent], which we plan to submit to the best peer-reviewed biology journal we can find.

and three and a half years when Nelson promised to outline his idea of "ontogenetic depth". It all seems so long ago. For a young philosopher of biology, Nelson’s output is laughable.

Hell, they’re reduced to whining about a documentary that they refused to take part in.

Stick a fork in ’em. They’re done.

Nelson's output here is just as bad.

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Posted: Nov. 20 2007,23:09

link for the above:

http://scienceblogs.com/strangerfruit/2007/11/questions.php

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Posted: Dec. 16 2007,13:02

Way back in July, Paul Nelson said in this thread,

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I talked with Discovery and a moderation-light Explore Evolution (EE) critique board there is a live possibility. I say "moderation-light," because the critical posts will need to address the content of EE, not my failure to publish my monograph, DI funding sources, etc. Except for that content requirement, however, and the usual no-vulgarity stuff, the board should be totally open.

Given my travel, the board won't be operational until mid-August. Until then, keep posting here, and I'll continue compiling criticisms.

We know that Nelson has been here several times since then without posting or answering any questions, and we also know that the EE Discussion page is still as empty as a creationist's cranium, or the ISCID journal.

Is it safe to call Nelson a liar now?

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Posted: Dec. 16 2007,14:39

He might have meant to do that, back in July. But in the intervening months he's seen us expose his dishonest little book. Would you want the task of defending it, at this point?

Or he still intends to do it, and like his late paper with Dembski on common descent, and his very late 'ontogenetic depth' monograph, it's just one more check his mouth wrote but his brain can't cash.

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Posted: Dec. 28 2007,18:53

Is the fossil record complete? Do we have Paul Nelson sightings recorded each time he visits, or is it possible that some of his visits go unrecorded in the fossil record? I don't know . . . ask DaveScot

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Posted: Dec. 28 2007,19:01

Paul Nelson,

If your able to post becasue your not in Italy where they have no internet could you give us an update about the debate page on the Explore Evolution website. So far there is nothing. How is that public school teacher from Tacoma doing using the new textbook? Could you give us an update?

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