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Glen Davidson



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 26 2015,10:17   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Aug. 26 2015,06:19)
I need to give-up on these assholes.

I guess when you're already drowning in shit, giving up on more assholes is a good idea.

You'll still be drowning in shit, however.

Glen Davidson

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Woodbine



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 26 2015,11:47   


  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 26 2015,18:26   

noted without wherein as it were Real-Comments.

   
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 26 2015,23:53   

Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 26 2015,18:26)
noted without wherein as it were Real-Comments.

Plenty of cases of that in this forum. I'm not joking either

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GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2015,00:00   

Quote (Woodbine @ Aug. 25 2015,05:59)
Another useless diagram! Hooray!

If you can't discuss what I spent a long time drawing then get out of this tread!

I cannot believe Wesley and the others responsible for this cesspool are OK with this creepy kind of shit. Sure proved who they are.

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ChemiCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2015,02:17   

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If you can't discuss what I spent a long time drawing then get out of this tread!


Gaulin, You're no Leonardo!

  
NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2015,06:42   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Aug. 27 2015,01:00)
Quote (Woodbine @ Aug. 25 2015,05:59)
Another useless diagram! Hooray!

If you can't discuss what I spent a long time drawing then get out of this tread!

I cannot believe Wesley and the others responsible for this cesspool are OK with this creepy kind of shit. Sure proved who they are.

Oddly enough, the post you took the time to comment on, but not discuss, was followed by a post that made the same point but proceeded to discuss the appalling drivel excreted as your latest diagram.  One that you, as usual, fail to respond to at all.
What's the point of attempting to 'discuss' anything you post?  All you do, all you have ever done, is ignore substantive remarks and focus on the well-deserved contempt casually thrown your way.
That quite handily reveals what you're hear for -- it's not discussion, it's not science, it's whatever faint grounds you can find for fantasizing a giant conspiracy of meanies all attempting to hold you down and keep you from being awarded the praise you, and you alone, seem to believe you deserve.  Goodness knows you haven't earned anything but contemptuous dismissal, but that doesn't penetrate the fog of deluded grandeur in which you cloak yourself.
You're a pathetic meaningless little man, suffering fulminating delusions of adequacy.  You strive to earn contempt to fulfill your own delusions of unjust persecution.  Largely, you do this by lying.  
Epic fails, that's all you ever manage.
The only one turning this into a cesspool, the only one excreting 'creepy kind of shit', the only one proving who he is would be you.  If you weren't so meaningless, you'd be irrelevant.

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2015,08:48   

Gary, letting your mental illness compel you to babble intelligent design nonsense until you die is not an outcome any of us would be happy about. You seem to have some rudimentary ability to program. Why don't you start making computer games? That would be better for you and everybody. You can choose to do something productive with your time instead of wasting it.

   
Woodbine



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2015,09:19   

AT END OF ROAD

You are standing at the end of a road before a small brick building. Around you is a forest. A small stream flows out of the building and down a gully.

> examine building

That's not a verb I recognise.

> look at building

That's not a verb I recognise.

> enter building

That's not a verb I recognise.

> here go inside

INSIDE BUILDING

You are inside a building, it seems well suited for science.

There are some teeth on the ground here.

There is no food here.

There is no electricity.

There is a diagram here.

> exit

That's not a verb I recognise.

> CTRL-Q

That's not a verb I recognise.

> ALT-F4

That's not a v

  
k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2015,09:26   

Quote (Woodbine @ Aug. 27 2015,17:19)
AT END OF ROAD

You are standing at the end of a road before a small brick building. Around you is a forest. A small stream flows out of the building and down a gully.

> examine building

That's not a verb I recognise.

> look at building

That's not a verb I recognise.

> enter building

That's not a verb I recognise.

> here go inside

INSIDE BUILDING

You are inside a building, it seems well suited for science.

There are some teeth on the ground here.

There is no food here.

There is no electricity.

There is a diagram here.

> exit

That's not a verb I recognise.

> CTRL-Q

That's not a verb I recognise.

> ALT-F4

That's not a v



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GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2015,13:30   

There has not been a single bit of contrary scientific evidence presented by a single person in this forum. They have none.

Enough said.

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NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2015,13:36   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Aug. 27 2015,14:30)
There has not been a single bit of contrary scientific evidence presented by a single person in this forum. They have none.

Enough said.

A lie, as per usual.
First and foremost, there has not been a single piece of scientific (or other) evidence posted in support of your effluent.
Second, your "theory" is refuted trivially by virtue of the vast range of intelligent causes it not only fails to explain but explicitly rules out.
Generation of a theory being but one of the telling examples.

But in the fullest fulmination of your delusions of adequacy, you prefer to imagine otherwise.  500+ pages here, and 8+ years of failure on the web, stand eloquent testimony to the vapidity, nay, vacuity, of your drivel.

ETA: That which is a asserted without evidence may be rejected without evidence.  That covers your effluent in its totality and its "details".

  
NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2015,13:38   

Time to trot out this old chestnut, which has yet to be dealt with by his Gaulinian lunacy, "Epic Fail" Gary:

Quote (N.Wells @ Dec. 31 2014,09:31)
You've got a whole lot of transparent and ineffective distraction going on, Gary.
As NoName said earlier,
   
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Stop deflecting, distracting, and denying.  Man up and deal with the facts on the ground:

A phenomenon is not properly called 'emergent' when it arises from a set of phenomena to which it is properly called 'self-similar'.  And vice versa.
Not all acts of 'intelligence' are motor acts, yet your "theory" insists otherwise.  This flies in the face of your assertion that your, or any competing, "theory" must "explain how ANY intelligence system works."
Deal with the fact that you smuggle 'intelligence' into your module with the undefined and uncharacterized 'guess' function.
Deal with the fact that 'guess' does not equal 'plan'.  Your "theory" is useless as a 'theory of intelligence' if it cannot deal with plans and planning.
Deal with the fact that many acts of intelligence involve imagination, and your "theory" does not deal with imagination at all.
Deal with the fact that some of the most crucial constraints on life are thermodynamic and that your "theory" simply ignores any and all thermodynamic issues.
Etc.

   
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What is the ‘something’ that must be controlled when an intelligence creates a theory?  a musical composition?  a plan?  a story plot line?
Note that none of these require muscle activity of any sort.

What are the senses that address what memory/memories when an intelligence creates a theory?  a musical composition?  a plan?  a story plot line?
Note that each of these has been performed by individuals who lack the 'obvious' sensory modalities one would expect for the product.
Sub-question — what does it mean for memory to be sensory-addressed?  The naive view that has the senses directly writing to memory or directly “indicating” what memory to use and what to store there has been debunked many many years ago.  So what are you talking about here?

What is the measure of confidence to gauge failure and success when an intelligence creates a theory?  a musical composition?  a plan?  a story plot line?
Sub-question — what senses address what memory/memories in the creation, storage, and retrieval of the ‘confidence’ factor?  Is it analog or digital?  What process(es) modify it, at what points, and what difference does it make?

What is the ‘ABILITY TO TAKE A GUESS’?  How is it manifested and how is it utilized when  an intelligence creates a theory?  a musical composition?  a plan?  a story plot line?

What is a guess?  How does ‘guess’ relate to ‘plan’ and to ‘imagination?  Are there factors that feed into/influence the guess?  Is a guess random?  If not, what regularity does it exhibit?  Is it algorithmic?  What algorithm?  Or how is the specific algorithm used chosen?
What justifies embedding ‘guess’ into the “flow” that defines “intelligence” when the ability to guess is generally taken to be an act of intelligence?  How is it we only find guessing happening when we find ‘molecular intelligence’ in your sense, i.e., biology?
(You do realize that a random number generator in a computer program does not ‘guess’?)


And questions from me:
   
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Why is your rubbish not made obsolete by Edgar Postrado's rubbish?

   
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It is also unreasonable to expect out of place detail that would limit the theory to only one level of intelligence (brains) of a model that has to work for any behavior, intelligent or not.


Since you see intelligence darn near everywhere at all levels, in your opinion what behavior would qualify as not intelligent, and why?

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N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2015,13:50   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Aug. 27 2015,13:30)
There has not been a single bit of contrary scientific evidence presented by a single person in this forum. They have none.

Enough said.

To repeat, the scientific evidence against your most recent diagram is that arrows are not explanations, and that there there is no scientific evidence for chemical species being equivalent to biological species or for them speciating, or for molecules being intelligent.

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If you can't discuss what I spent a long time drawing then get out of this tread!
Sadly, there's no correlation between the time you spent and the worth of the product.  Your diagram is merely asserting your misunderstandings about what some words mean. That's not science.

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2015,15:58   

Quote (N.Wells @ Aug. 27 2015,13:50)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Aug. 27 2015,13:30)
There has not been a single bit of contrary scientific evidence presented by a single person in this forum. They have none.

Enough said.

To repeat, the scientific evidence against your most recent diagram is that arrows are not explanations, and that there there is no scientific evidence for chemical species being equivalent to biological species or for them speciating, or for molecules being intelligent.

 
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If you can't discuss what I spent a long time drawing then get out of this tread!
Sadly, there's no correlation between the time you spent and the worth of the product.  Your diagram is merely asserting your misunderstandings about what some words mean. That's not science.

Google Scholar will get you up to date on modern use of the phrases "Molecular Species" and "Genetic Species".

Origins theory that works is expected to have both represented in there somewhere. It's an indicator that the theory is very complete. Your expecting the opposite is another red-herring, away from reality.

Your opinion on the use of the word "intelligent" is likewise overruled by science and evidence in regards to theory of operation for computer models of such systems.

I'm almost finished with new code to draw it out with more detail, and better labeling to help make it more clear.

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NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2015,16:10   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Aug. 27 2015,16:58)
Quote (N.Wells @ Aug. 27 2015,13:50)
 
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Aug. 27 2015,13:30)
There has not been a single bit of contrary scientific evidence presented by a single person in this forum. They have none.

Enough said.

To repeat, the scientific evidence against your most recent diagram is that arrows are not explanations, and that there there is no scientific evidence for chemical species being equivalent to biological species or for them speciating, or for molecules being intelligent.

 
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If you can't discuss what I spent a long time drawing then get out of this tread!
Sadly, there's no correlation between the time you spent and the worth of the product.  Your diagram is merely asserting your misunderstandings about what some words mean. That's not science.

Google Scholar will get you up to date on modern use of the phrases "Molecular Species" and "Genetic Species".[/quote]
To no one's surprise, you are the one who is entirely incorrect in his usage of the terms.  This is due in no small part to your complete ignorance of biology and chemistry.
'Species' does not mean what you think it means, does not imply what you think it implies, and is not justified in its usage on your diagram nor in your "theory".
The one who needs to study up on this matter is you.
Obviously.
[quote]Origins theory that works is expected to have both represented in there somewhere. It's an indicator that the theory is very complete. Your expecting the opposite is another red-herring, away from reality.

Your opinion on the use of the word "intelligent" is likewise overruled by science and evidence in regards to theory of operation for computer models of such systems.

I'm almost finished with new code to draw it out with more detail, and better labeling to help make it more clear.

What's missing is any indication that your steaming heap of malformed verbiage should or could count as a theory.
It isn't one, it can't count on one, and there is exactly one person on Earth who believes otherwise.  That would be you.
Catch a clue Gary -- if there were any merit to your drivel, any merit at all, you would have found at least one person to agree with you.  8+ years and no one, literally no one, other than you thinks this mess is or could count as a theory.

Furthermore, the one here with absurd opinions on the word "intelligent" and its variants is you.
You are completely clueless about science and have no grounds for asserting that it supports your effluent.  It doesn't.
You have no evidence to support your assertions to the contrary.
Nor do you have a 'theory of operation' for software as such.
You have a pile of words, ill-formed, ill-conceived, all but meaningless, signifying nothing whatsoever other than your own ignorance and delusions of adequacy.

Mucking about with your software is a waste of time, effort, and electrons.  Better labels will avail you not at all, for what is being labeled is meaningless garbage with zero evidential status other than to your insanity, your inanity, the vapidity of your vacuity.

  
ChemiCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2015,16:19   

There can be no scientific refutation of your bullshit as it doesn't contain any science.

You do not have any testable hypothesis or theory. Your knowledge of physics, chemistry and biology is non-existent. You cannot provide any predictions or scientific tests that your theory leads to. You make unfounded and evidence free assertions that are not explained within your theory. You try to force religious symbolism into science, again without evidence. You have wasted years of your life when you could have been learning some science.

You are a failure.

  
ChemiCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2015,16:33   

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Chemical species are atoms, molecules, molecular fragments, ions, etc., being subjected to a chemical process or to a measurement. Generally, a chemical species can be defined as an ensemble of chemically identical molecular entities that can explore the same set of molecular energy levels on a defined time scale.


There you go, Gaulin. Now point out where in your bullshit  you use the terminology that even remotely gets close to that.

  
ChemiCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2015,16:41   

Gaulin, here is a link to show you how much you have abused the definition of the term Genetic Species.

http://www.mammalsociety.org/article....concept

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2015,18:22   

The improved illustration is online!



https://sites.google.com/site.......800.png


For comparison, is this illustration that does not show all the reciprocal causation that exists in the picture:




http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content....0151019

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2015,22:23   

You have really missed the point of their diagram. Your diagram is a serious misinterpretation of theirs.

edit: mis-speciation of spelling

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2015,22:38   

From "The extended evolutionary synthesis: its structure, assumptions and predictions"
 
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Contrasting views of development. (a) Programed development. Traditionally, development has been conceptualized as programed, unfolding according to rules and instructions specified within the genome. DNA is ascribed a special causal significance, and all other parts of the developing organism serve as ‘substrate’, or ‘interpretative machinery’ for the expression of genetic information. Evolutionarily relevant phenotypic novelty results solely from genetic mutations, which alter components of the genetic program. Under this perspective, organisms are built from the genome outwards and upwards, with each generation receiving the instruction on how to build a phenotype through the transmission of DNA. (b) Constructive development. By contrast, in the EES, genes and genomes represent one of many resources that contribute to the developing phenotype. Causation flows both upwards from lower levels of biological organization, such as DNA, and from higher levels downwards, such as through tissue- and environment-specific gene regulation. Exploratory and selective processes are important sources of novel and evolutionarily significant phenotypic variation. Rather than containing a ‘program’, the genome represents a component of the developmental system, shaped by evolution to sense and respond to relevant signals and to provide materials upon which cells can draw.


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Woodbine



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 28 2015,01:02   

If you relax your eyes it's a bit like one of those magic eye pictures only less useful.

I think it needs more arrows, Gary.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 28 2015,02:16   

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I think it needs more arrows, Gary.


And crayons. Don't forget the crayons. And squares.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 28 2015,06:04   

Gary,

Can you explain the connection between your idea of what reciprocal causation means and the idea stated in the extended synthesis paper? Please do not simply point to the diagrams and say "There it is."

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All women build up a resistance [to male condescension]. Apparently, ID did not predict that. -Kristine 4-19-11
F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 28 2015,06:37   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Aug. 27 2015,23:38)
From "The extended evolutionary synthesis: its structure, assumptions and predictions"
 
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Contrasting views of development. (a) Programed development. Traditionally, development has been conceptualized as programed, unfolding according to rules and instructions specified within the genome. DNA is ascribed a special causal significance, and all other parts of the developing organism serve as ‘substrate’, or ‘interpretative machinery’ for the expression of genetic information. Evolutionarily relevant phenotypic novelty results solely from genetic mutations, which alter components of the genetic program. Under this perspective, organisms are built from the genome outwards and upwards, with each generation receiving the instruction on how to build a phenotype through the transmission of DNA. (b) Constructive development. By contrast, in the EES, genes and genomes represent one of many resources that contribute to the developing phenotype. Causation flows both upwards from lower levels of biological organization, such as DNA, and from higher levels downwards, such as through tissue- and environment-specific gene regulation. Exploratory and selective processes are important sources of novel and evolutionarily significant phenotypic variation. Rather than containing a ‘program’, the genome represents a component of the developmental system, shaped by evolution to sense and respond to relevant signals and to provide materials upon which cells can draw.

All very well but it is abundantly clear that you do not have the faintest comprehension of what any of this actually means.
You have all the verbal skills of a brain-damaged parrot.
Similarity of word formations does not equate to similarity of meaning.  And when it comes to meaning, you somehow seem to always have your back turned.  It escapes you utterly, persistently, and you revel in its absence.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 28 2015,06:54   

Quote (paragwinn @ Aug. 28 2015,06:04)
Gary,

Can you explain the connection between your idea of what reciprocal causation means and the idea stated in the extended synthesis paper? Please do not simply point to the diagrams and say "There it is."

Reciprocal causation means what I said it does: A influences B and B influences A.

It's very simple. Look it up online.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 28 2015,08:06   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Aug. 28 2015,07:54)
Quote (paragwinn @ Aug. 28 2015,06:04)
Gary,

Can you explain the connection between your idea of what reciprocal causation means and the idea stated in the extended synthesis paper? Please do not simply point to the diagrams and say "There it is."

Reciprocal causation means what I said it does: A influences B and B influences A.

It's very simple. Look it up online.

And your ridiculous and  error-laden diagram adds to what we already know, exclusively through the efforts of others, exactly what?  And how?
Your dada-ist artwork has nothing to do with science, with explanation, nor causation.
You might as  well have drawn it using your own feces in the asylum you ought to occupy.  Of course, the jacket with the wrap-around sleeves would impede your reach, but then so does most of reality.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 28 2015,09:05   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Aug. 28 2015,14:54)
Quote (paragwinn @ Aug. 28 2015,06:04)
Gary,

Can you explain the connection between your idea of what reciprocal causation means and the idea stated in the extended synthesis paper? Please do not simply point to the diagrams and say "There it is."

Reciprocal causation means what I said it does: A influences B and B influences A.

It's very simple. Look it up online.

That Gary is a circular tautological argument.

Weren't you taught that at the circus?

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 28 2015,23:19   

Either that or a positive feedback loop.

  
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