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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2009,07:55   

For more, much more, RFJE blustering, please stop by and visit the UK Board I have linked to.

RFJE - If this is NOT you, please let us know.

kthnxbai
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Looks like RFJE loves her /him some UK talk.  No wonder RFJE and Louis get along so well! :)

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Schroedinger's Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2009,08:03   

Quote (J-Dog @ Feb. 11 2009,07:55)
For more, much more, RFJE blustering, please stop by and visit the UK Board I have linked to.

RFJE - If this is NOT you, please let us know.

kthnxbai
Female First Board

Looks like RFJE loves her /him some UK talk.  No wonder RFJE and Louis get along so well! :)

yeah, probably him/her/it.

But the sidebar ads are WAY too disruptive to be sure...

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2009,08:51   

Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Feb. 11 2009,08:08)
RB, I am not sure we yet had a clue about whether RFJE is male or female.

Well, back here he stated,
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I was  just a young country boy with a brain sitting on a bank of a creek, fishing (Issac Newton was under an apple tree at one time), watching on the periphery, the trees that had fallen in 1968 and other years afterward from tornadoes in central Illinois...


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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2009,09:07   

Quote (J-Dog @ Feb. 11 2009,07:55)
For more, much more, RFJE blustering, please stop by and visit the UK Board I have linked to.

RFJE - If this is NOT you, please let us know.

kthnxbai
Female First Board

Looks like RFJE loves her /him some UK talk.  No wonder RFJE and Louis get along so well! :)

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The bottom line is there are serious problems with YOUR belief system. Well lets see like duh


I'd manage a reply if I could peel my eyes from the lingerie ads. :p

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2009,09:09   

RB, I stand corrected.

Kristine, ditto!

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2009,10:08   

Quote (Kristine @ Feb. 11 2009,09:07)
I'd manage a reply if I could peel my eyes from the lingerie ads. :p

Waht???

You get lingerie ads???

Great - all I get are dog-food ads! :(

I hope this ends all the useless talk about their being an intelligent designer...

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2009,10:11   

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The bigger question even than that is "HOW is the mind a product of the physical and chemical processes of the brain?".


Don't we know darn well from a lot of experience that 'the whole is more than the sum of its parts', and that that is more true than ever when we are talking about the human brain; the most(?) complex organ in the universe?

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Schroedinger's Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2009,10:14   

Quote (Quack @ Feb. 11 2009,10:11)
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The bigger question even than that is "HOW is the mind a product of the physical and chemical processes of the brain?".


Don't we know darn well from a lot of experience that 'the whole is more than the sum of its parts', and that that is more true than ever when we are talking about the human brain; the most(?) complex organ in the universe?

That's a bit presomptuous. We don't know THAT yet :)

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2009,10:18   

Quote (Quack @ Feb. 11 2009,11:11)
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The bigger question even than that is "HOW is the mind a product of the physical and chemical processes of the brain?".


Don't we know darn well from a lot of experience that 'the whole is more than the sum of its parts', and that that is more true than ever when we are talking about the human brain; the most(?) complex organ in the universe?

I don't know about that.  I can think of some other pretty complex organs.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2009,10:19   

Sorry, was talking about the "most(?) complex". Didn't see the question mark.

I am due a right telling-of!

My bad.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2009,10:52   

Quote (deadman_932 @ Feb. 11 2009,11:54)

ETA: apologies for the distraction. Please return to your regular viewing.

Libel? Oh the Dembski stuff? LOL

a) I am in the UK, good luck Dembski.

b) The libel laws we have here require what I have written to be untrue and materially damaging to Dembski.

I *hope* he sues me, especially under UK law.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2009,10:56   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 11 2009,12:59)
Quote (Louis @ Feb. 11 2009,06:37)
Reciprocating Bill is probably one of the best people to ask here at AtBC.

I dunno.

A position that simultaneously claims an innate sense of right and wrong and the existence of serial killers as positive evidence is probably too ameboid for much constructive discussion.

Plus Refredjee is clearly abjectly ignorant of some of the obvious starting points for a discussion of the well studied neurobiological bases of many human and mammalian feeling states (love, lust, care and attachment, etc.) - e.g. the limbic system, mediation of sexual and loving feelings by oxytocin, etc. This is basic stuff.  

Mostly I'm still stuck on his ridiculous claims of "humility," "wisdom," and "god's edification." But perhaps he would like to acknowledge his unreflective arrogance in making some of the claims he has made. Let's see if he's got a neuron for that.

ReFred?

LOL All I meant was, patience for dealing with the terminally dumb aside, that you (IIRC) are one of the more informed punters here on matters neuroscience/philosophy/psychology. Certainly better informed than me.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Louis

ETA: I didn't see the point of going into oxytocin, serotonin, endorphins, pheromones (ooh controversial!) etc, if what RFJE needs is a simple "get off the ground" push to find a few things out himself. At least that's the route I'm taking. When someone has trouble telling the difference between a peptide and a peptide bond (for example) then detailing biochemical cascades is a waste  of time. Mind you, this whole shebang might be a waste of time,I'm not yet at strike 3.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2009,11:05   

Quote (RFJE @ Feb. 11 2009,12:17)
Hello,

I did want to apologize for my approach, that I paraphrased a source, and that I mis-paraphrased it.  I said that some amino acids break down in water when I should have said some proteins break down in water.

Here is the actual quote from Evolution Exposed by Roger Patterson..."Proteins can not form in water, because the water breaks the bonds that hold the amino acids together...hydrolysis."

I have read some of your posts and I understand your annoyance with me.  I was out of field of study and I will research this further.

I do believe from my study that hydrolysis is the opposite of dehydration sythesis--correct me if Im wrong.

Also my question would be here is what about the hydrophobic  side chains of the polypeptide chain.  They attract each other to the center of the molecule away from a watery environment.  If they were exposed say to water during spontaneous generation, could it break the peptide bond?

RFJE,

I am not annoyed with you.

Yet.

I am certainly not annoyed with you because you are "out of field of study" or anything like it.

The solution structure of proteins is SERIOUSLY complicated. What conformations they adopt depends on their solvation. You're right that hydrophobic side chains will orient themselves in such a way that they minimise contact with water if the protein is solvated in water, but this is merely the molecule adopting a different conformation. This involves a change in the global hydrogen bonding of the molecule, NOT the covalent bonds holding the molecule together. Put the protein in a different solvent (or a differently pH buffered aqueous solvent system) and the protein's solution structure will change.

So to answer your question (as Albatrossity has already), no. If forming proteins were exposed to water during the early stages of abiogenesis then no they would not break down (all other things being equal, i.e. mild temperature, pressure, pH etc. It is possible to break the peptide bond by hydrolysis, but the detail is important. The temperature and pH are vital. Simply putting a protein into water will not destroy it at any appreciable rate). Again, as demonstrated by the Schotten-Baumann conditions for peptide synthesis, water is not only tolerated, it can be required.

Clear yet?

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2009,11:15   

Quote (Quack @ Feb. 11 2009,16:11)
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The bigger question even than that is "HOW is the mind a product of the physical and chemical processes of the brain?".


Don't we know darn well from a lot of experience that 'the whole is more than the sum of its parts', and that that is more true than ever when we are talking about the human brain; the most(?) complex organ in the universe?

True we do have a great deal of experience with emergent phenomena, but simply saying "it's emergent" doesn't cut the mustard. What specific features are needed for consciousness to arise? Are there cut off points etc? How consciousness arises is a big deal. After all it might be possible to make structures that have consciousness, it's a vital part of producing AI, not just understanding the way the universe works.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2009,12:07   

Quote (Louis @ Feb. 11 2009,12:15)
     
Quote (Quack @ Feb. 11 2009,16:11)
     
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The bigger question even than that is "HOW is the mind a product of the physical and chemical processes of the brain?".


Don't we know darn well from a lot of experience that 'the whole is more than the sum of its parts', and that that is more true than ever when we are talking about the human brain; the most(?) complex organ in the universe?

True we do have a great deal of experience with emergent phenomena, but simply saying "it's emergent" doesn't cut the mustard. What specific features are needed for consciousness to arise? Are there cut off points etc? How consciousness arises is a big deal. After all it might be possible to make structures that have consciousness, it's a vital part of producing AI, not just understanding the way the universe works.

Louis

It is also important to recall that there are "less hard" questions vis consciousness for which we are well on the way to having answers. For example, we have a very detailed understanding of the many streams and layers of neural processing that provide the foundation for vision and other forms of sensory consciousness. Most of the questions posed by ReFred, for which the only answer he can think of is "the soul," fall into the same class. We can attain a very detailed understanding of these specific systems without having a solution in hand for the "hard" question: how is it that any conformation of matter/energy gives rise to subjective experience - which is as much a philosophical/conceptual problem as it is a scientific problem. The bald fact is that conformations of living tissue DO give rise to consiciousness, that it is a common occurrence, and that specific features of subjectivity are unambiguously instantiated in and dependent upon neural tissue.

More generally, I like John Searle on the topic:
   
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The famous mind-problem, the source of so much controversy over the past two millennia, has a simple solution. This solution has been available to any educated person since serious work began on the brain nearly a century ago, and, in a sense, we all know it to be true. Here it is: Mental phenomena are caused by neurophysiological processes in the brain and are themselves features of the brain. To distinguish this view from the many others in the field, I call it "biological naturalism." Mental events and processes are as much a part of our biological natural history as digestion, mitosis, meiosis, or enzyme secretion.

(From The Rediscovery of the Mind)

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RFJE



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2009,19:10   

Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Feb. 10 2009,23:44)
Oh boy! From chemistry to neuro-chemistry to cognitive studies to psychology.

Goalposts on wheels, RFJE?

What about reasserting your initial claims with your own words, in light of what Louis and Doc GH have so patiently explained to you citing many references?

Okay, I thought I was not supposed to repeat the same points over and over. It says this in your rules when I entered the site.  Louis might give me another strike also (wink). Just kidding Louis!

Either water stops the peptide bonds from forming or it doesn't.  Several of you said it doesn't.  Why argue?  Am I qualified to argue in chemistry.  A high school biology/chemistry teacher from Montana says it would, backed by a PhD in molecular genetics in Ohio.

So I guess you really want it, don't y'all (see I even use colloquial language).  I must really entertain you.

Okay, check the next post.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2009,19:27   

My high school bio teacher swore he'd seen bigfoot.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2009,20:18   

Have you ever seen a man who couldn't walk get up after African pastors prayed for him in the name of Jesus?  I have and I knew the man who received the miracle. This took no knowledge except of a promise and a principle.  Mark 16:17,18 (Jesus speaking) "And these signs shall follow them that believe:  In MY NAME they shall...lay hands upon the sick, and they shall recover."  John 14:14 If you shall ask anything in my name I will do it."

The family did not believe in Christ, they were steeped in the fetish, animism, and witchcraft.  But afterward the oldest son spoke before the extended family (maybe 20 people there in the yard).  We believe in spells and the fetish, we see spirits in the woods and we are afraid of them.  We see the spells destroy us, but your God is greater than all of that!"

My sister is a believer also.  She loved milk, but she was diagnosed with "an allergy to milk".  Couldn't even drink acidophilus. After 20 years of this condition she decided she wanted to drink milk, so she started praying and got prayer in church.  She can drink milk now without getting a stomach ache.

Have you ever been divinely protected?  Once about 23 years ago, I had not been a believer long.  I decided to walk to the store about 8 blocks away.  I had always driven it so I was unaware of the two dogs that resided in a certain yard.  On this particular evening, they were running free--big dogs, one a german shepherd.  Hair raised, they were prancing with that expression of the hunt in their eyes, coming right toward me.  You know how a dog cowers when you throw a rock at him.  Well I did nothing, I didn't have time, but they did.  They both looked up at something behind me, yelped, cowered and pranced away with tails down.  There was nothing there that I could see, but they obviously responded to something they saw.

If you think that there is no spiritual world, your spiritual are eyes are shut. If you think that the natural world is all you are all wrong.  I am more sure of that than you are in evolution--because I have seen it and experienced.

Now you can mock, attack my credibility, laugh, whatever.  I really couldn't care less.  I'd rather please God than you people that spread your pernicious beliefs throughout our schools and the media.  

The true church invisible is not a building, nor does it have the name of a denomination on it.  It will survive all onslaughts of opposition.  Jesus said, My word will never pass away.

Can any of you explain the nation of Israel to me?  How could a people who didn't have a nation since 70 AD, when Titus ransacked Jerusalem, return to their land 1900 years later?  Britain and the Balfour Act of 1917?  It is stated in several passage of the OLD TESTAMENT, before this happened, that God would gather his people back to their land--this is speaking in a double prophecy (which is common in scripture) of the first return from exile in Babylon (Read Jeremiah, Daniel) in the last days.  

Daniel, Revelation, the antichrist--a world leader with a messianic like following, who will oppose Israel and also Christians to the point of execution--are all  getting closer to us and the return of Israel is a sign of the last days.

Time is short.  I could tell you more if anyone is interested.  But I will not give what is holy to dogs.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2009,20:22   

So, I take it you concede the science arguments then?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2009,20:30   

Quote (RFJE @ Feb. 11 2009,20:18)
Now you can mock, attack my credibility, laugh, whatever.  I really couldn't care less.  I'd rather please God than you people that spread your pernicious beliefs throughout our schools and the media.

I suspect that it would please both god and man (at least this one) if you would take this tripe elsewhere.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2009,20:36   

christ.  what a bunch of the stuff.

you're all wrong to jesus will sort you out in four pages.  i'd say it was a record but it probably isn't.

suppose i am glad i missed this'un

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2009,20:52   

Quote (RFJE @ Feb. 11 2009,21:18)
Have you ever seen a man who couldn't walk get up after African pastors prayed for him in the name of Jesus?  I have and I knew the man who received the miracle. This took no knowledge except of a promise and a principle.  Mark 16:17,18 (Jesus speaking) "And these signs shall follow them that believe:  In MY NAME they shall...lay hands upon the sick, and they shall recover."  John 14:14 If you shall ask anything in my name I will do it."

The family did not believe in Christ, they were steeped in the fetish, animism, and witchcraft.  But afterward the oldest son spoke before the extended family (maybe 20 people there in the yard).  We believe in spells and the fetish, we see spirits in the woods and we are afraid of them.  We see the spells destroy us, but your God is greater than all of that!"

My sister is a believer also.  She loved milk, but she was diagnosed with "an allergy to milk".  Couldn't even drink acidophilus. After 20 years of this condition she decided she wanted to drink milk, so she started praying and got prayer in church.  She can drink milk now without getting a stomach ache.

Have you ever been divinely protected?  Once about 23 years ago, I had not been a believer long.  I decided to walk to the store about 8 blocks away.  I had always driven it so I was unaware of the two dogs that resided in a certain yard.  On this particular evening, they were running free--big dogs, one a german shepherd.  Hair raised, they were prancing with that expression of the hunt in their eyes, coming right toward me.  You know how a dog cowers when you throw a rock at him.  Well I did nothing, I didn't have time, but they did.  They both looked up at something behind me, yelped, cowered and pranced away with tails down.  There was nothing there that I could see, but they obviously responded to something they saw.

If you think that there is no spiritual world, your spiritual are eyes are shut. If you think that the natural world is all you are all wrong.  I am more sure of that than you are in evolution--because I have seen it and experienced.

Now you can mock, attack my credibility, laugh, whatever.  I really couldn't care less.  I'd rather please God than you people that spread your pernicious beliefs throughout our schools and the media.  

The true church invisible is not a building, nor does it have the name of a denomination on it.  It will survive all onslaughts of opposition.  Jesus said, My word will never pass away.

Can any of you explain the nation of Israel to me?  How could a people who didn't have a nation since 70 AD, when Titus ransacked Jerusalem, return to their land 1900 years later?  Britain and the Balfour Act of 1917?  It is stated in several passage of the OLD TESTAMENT, before this happened, that God would gather his people back to their land--this is speaking in a double prophecy (which is common in scripture) of the first return from exile in Babylon (Read Jeremiah, Daniel) in the last days.  

Daniel, Revelation, the antichrist--a world leader with a messianic like following, who will oppose Israel and also Christians to the point of execution--are all  getting closer to us and the return of Israel is a sign of the last days.

Time is short.  I could tell you more if anyone is interested.  But I will not give what is holy to dogs.

Serious guano here.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2009,21:16   

Quote (RFJE @ Feb. 11 2009,21:18)
Blah blah blah...I could tell you more if anyone is interested.  But I will not give what is holy to dogs.

See, I tole' you guys that ReFred's "humility" was total horseshit.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2009,21:30   

I think he's off his meds again... or maybe Jesus hates him and wants to laugh at him.  What a kidder He is, right RFJE?

Hey!  Maybe someone else in his youth group / church / group therapy circle wants to come out and play!

What about it RFJE?  Got a pastor you hate and want to send over to deal with the forces of evil?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2009,21:40   

Quote (RFJE @ Feb. 11 2009,21:18)
Have you ever seen <snip moronic, anecdotal crapola which would only appeal to the seriously effed-up/credulous/stupid/religious/yes-I-know-it's-redundant-but-there-you-go>

I suppose this whole post is entirely too long to submit en toto to FSTDT.  Too bad, as it's chock full o'nuggets.

Perhaps if I gave them a paragraph at a time...

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2009,21:44   

Quote (RFJE @ Feb. 11 2009,21:18)
Have you ever seen a man who couldn't walk get up after African pastors prayed for him in the name of Jesus?  

No, and neither have you. I'll be impressed when prayers regrow an amputated limb in a controlled lab. You can do your proselytizing elsewhere.

Want to talk science? Feel free. You're not off to an auspicious start, however. You might want to take a basic biology or chemistry course before you go any further.

...or you can just continue getting your ass handed to you. Whichever.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2009,21:47   

Fuckit.  Couldn't resist.  Let's see which bits they publish.   :p

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2009,21:47   

Quote (J-Dog @ Feb. 11 2009,07:55)
For more, much more, RFJE blustering, please stop by and visit the UK Board I have linked to.

RFJE - If this is NOT you, please let us know.

kthnxbai
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Looks like RFJE loves her /him some UK talk.  No wonder RFJE and Louis get along so well! :)

Well, here's part of a RFJE's post on that thread, dated 02/08/09:

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Evolution and the Origin of Life: Real Problems

The origin of life is one of the biggest problems for evolution, because of it's committment to naturalism. That is, that all processes in the universe are explainable using only natural laws. Virtually all other sciences can be explained by natural laws, but there are very real and ignored problems with how the first life began.

We have all heard of the "primordial soup" model of life. That at a point in early earth history, the molten earth cooled, and oceans formed. As rain fell, chemicals in a hypothetical pool organized into proteins, lipids, and carbohydrates. These molecules then organized into cellular structures like proteins, DNA, and cell membranes.

The following are proven chemistry facts that are not shared with the average science illiterate population.



I see oodles and oodles of CSI. I bet if someone used teh Explanatory Filter, they will discover that that post was in fact designed.  :p

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2009,21:52   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 11 2009,22:44)
Quote (RFJE @ Feb. 11 2009,21:18)
Have you ever seen a man who couldn't walk get up after African pastors prayed for him in the name of Jesus?  

No, and neither have you. I'll be impressed when prayers regrow an amputated limb in a controlled lab. You can do your proselytizing elsewhere.

Want to talk science? Feel free. You're not off to an auspicious start, however. You might want to take a basic biology or chemistry course before you go any further.

...or you can just continue getting your ass handed to you. Whichever.

Shit, I'd be impressed if I could open a jar without assistance.

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That's so fucking stupid it merits a wing in the museum of stupid. -midwifetoad

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Quote (RFJE @ Feb. 11 2009,21:18)
Have you ever seen a man who couldn't walk get up after African pastors prayed for him in the name of Jesus?  I have and I knew the man who received the miracle. This took no knowledge except of a promise and a principle.  Mark 16:17,18 (Jesus speaking) "And these signs shall follow them that believe:  In MY NAME they shall...lay hands upon the sick, and they shall recover."  John 14:14 If you shall ask anything in my name I will do it."

The family did not believe in Christ, they were steeped in the fetish, animism, and witchcraft.  But afterward the oldest son spoke before the extended family (maybe 20 people there in the yard).  We believe in spells and the fetish, we see spirits in the woods and we are afraid of them.  We see the spells destroy us, but your God is greater than all of that!"

My sister is a believer also.  She loved milk, but she was diagnosed with "an allergy to milk".  Couldn't even drink acidophilus. After 20 years of this condition she decided she wanted to drink milk, so she started praying and got prayer in church.  She can drink milk now without getting a stomach ache.

Have you ever been divinely protected?  Once about 23 years ago, I had not been a believer long.  I decided to walk to the store about 8 blocks away.  I had always driven it so I was unaware of the two dogs that resided in a certain yard.  On this particular evening, they were running free--big dogs, one a german shepherd.  Hair raised, they were prancing with that expression of the hunt in their eyes, coming right toward me.  You know how a dog cowers when you throw a rock at him.  Well I did nothing, I didn't have time, but they did.  They both looked up at something behind me, yelped, cowered and pranced away with tails down.  There was nothing there that I could see, but they obviously responded to something they saw.

If you think that there is no spiritual world, your spiritual are eyes are shut. If you think that the natural world is all you are all wrong.  I am more sure of that than you are in evolution--because I have seen it and experienced.

Now you can mock, attack my credibility, laugh, whatever.  I really couldn't care less.  I'd rather please God than you people that spread your pernicious beliefs throughout our schools and the media.  

The true church invisible is not a building, nor does it have the name of a denomination on it.  It will survive all onslaughts of opposition.  Jesus said, My word will never pass away.

Can any of you explain the nation of Israel to me?  How could a people who didn't have a nation since 70 AD, when Titus ransacked Jerusalem, return to their land 1900 years later?  Britain and the Balfour Act of 1917?  It is stated in several passage of the OLD TESTAMENT, before this happened, that God would gather his people back to their land--this is speaking in a double prophecy (which is common in scripture) of the first return from exile in Babylon (Read Jeremiah, Daniel) in the last days.  

Daniel, Revelation, the antichrist--a world leader with a messianic like following, who will oppose Israel and also Christians to the point of execution--are all  getting closer to us and the return of Israel is a sign of the last days.

Time is short.  I could tell you more if anyone is interested.  But I will not give what is holy to dogs.

You love you some Jebus, we get it.

Now, how about that commandment you all seem to ignore - the one about bearing false witness?

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