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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 30 2015,16:03   

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What Must We Do In the Face of Insane Denial?

August 29, 2015

Posted by Barry Arrington under Intelligent Design




Edited by stevestory on Aug. 30 2015,17:05

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 30 2015,16:33   

Kairosfocus: Liar, extremely stupid, or both?

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kairosfocusAugust 30, 2015 at 8:00 am
REW, the Nazi holocaust was 6 mn Jews, and what 5 mn others, mostly Poles in both cases. In addituion, Hitler’s invasion was responsible for the deaths of 25+ million Russians, broadly using that term. The targetted slaughter of the Roma was the next largest number after Jews in the holocaust proper. (But we should lay those 25 million Russians at Hitler’s feet, discounting for overlaps of course.) The abortion holocaust on reasonable estimates is 55 – 58+ mn in the USA and many 100’s of millions globally. As Pastor Keller McFarlane is pointing out as I type, by killing in the womb, a huge potential to do good is being destroyed. And, we now see those implicated in carrying out the mass killings being caught on video discussing cutting up the resulting bodies and selling parts for tainted medical research. In one case, ambition to own a what US$ 1/4 million car, is on the table. And, we find a mass resistance to facing what this reveals about what our civilisation has done through being warped and corrupted by literally unprecedented bloodguilt. No, we have become folly maddened and are engaging on a stubborn march of folly. KF


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Edited by stevestory on Aug. 30 2015,17:47

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 30 2015,16:51   

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EDTAAugust 29, 2015 at 9:35 pm
Saul Alinsky. Rules For Radicals. That’s the source for a lot of this insanity that manifests itself as people who just won’t stop talking, even when they have nothing logical or rational to say.


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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 30 2015,21:10   

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How kooky can UD get? Mapou is denying space and relativity and substituting his own reality. BA77 is countering with a combo of science, woo and religion.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-578047

If you want Louis/Mapou raw and uncut, look here:

http://www.rebelscience.org/....nce....nce.org

Make sure your health insurance is paid up first.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 30 2015,21:59   

So....Mr Copy-Pasta "UDs finest scientific mind" vs. a genuine grade-A nutjob who takes big chunks of physics and simultaneously denies them and claims them as his own.

Popcorn.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 30 2015,23:00   

Nice response in the "red pen" thread!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 31 2015,10:56   

Quote (CeilingCat @ Aug. 30 2015,22:10)
Quote (REC @ Aug. 30 2015,15:40)
How kooky can UD get? Mapou is denying space and relativity and substituting his own reality. BA77 is countering with a combo of science, woo and religion.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-578047

If you want Louis/Mapou raw and uncut, look here:

http://www.rebelscience.org/....nce....nce.org

Make sure your health insurance is paid up first.

i had to click on "Artificial Intelligence From the Bible!"

but alas:

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June 21, 2011

Due to recent dramatic progress in my research, this article has been deleted. My old interpretation of the scriptural metaphors was partially in error. I am working on a new series of articles on the subject. In the meantime, I encourage my readers to read Rebel Science News for the latest.


now i haz a sad.

:(

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 31 2015,11:36   

somebody's cruisin for a bruisin:

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Seversky

August 31, 2015 at 6:40 am

Popperian’s point stands. Christian morality is being presented as the only legitimate authority on such questions. Yet the only documentary source for that authority is riddled with episodes which directly contradict those alleged moral imperatives. Much cleverer people than I have recognized that long ago, which is why apologetics is such a thriving field in Christian scholarship, as evidenced by our own VJT. There is a lot there that needs explaining and justifying. Until those questions are resolved, Christian claims concerning moral issues stand on shaky ground.


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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 31 2015,11:43   

Re "Yet the only documentary source for that authority is riddled with episodes which directly contradict those alleged moral imperatives."

Picky, picky!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 31 2015,11:53   

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June 21, 2011

Due to recent dramatic progress in my research, this article has been deleted. My old interpretation of the scriptural metaphors was partially in error. I am working on a new series of articles on the subject. In the meantime, I encourage my readers to read Rebel Science News for the latest.

Wait?

How can in interpretation of a metaphor be so much in error that he deleted an entire body of work?

And more importantly, will he start a dialogue with the people who claim that the Bible is not metaphorical?

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 31 2015,22:32   

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June 21, 2011

Due to recent dramatic progress in my research, this article has been deleted. My old interpretation of the scriptural metaphors was partially in error. I am working on a new series of articles on the subject. In the meantime, I encourage my readers to read Rebel Science News for the latest.


Latest Rebel Science News: 11/28/2012

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 31 2015,23:48   

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June 21, 2011

Due to recent dramatic progress in my research, this article has been deleted. My old interpretation of the scriptural metaphors was partially in error. I am working on a new series of articles on the subject. In the meantime, I encourage my readers to read Rebel Science News for the latest.


Latest Rebel Science News: 11/28/2012

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2015,04:04   

For those of you who haven't seen it yet, Barry's latest post is a classic. In it he writes
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An example of a self-evident claim is that 2+2+4. I cannot “prove” that 2+2=4. But does the fact that I cannot prove the proposition mean that I must conclude it is false? Of course not. I know the proposition to be true without proof merely because I understand what it means. Another way of looking at it is that I know for an absolute certain fact that the proposition “2+2 is not 4” is absurd in the sense that it cannot possibly be true, and in order to accept it as true I would have to reject rationality itself.

So you can guess what happens in the comments.

I suspect what Barry considers "self-evident" is really "what he was taught at an early age". But that probably means he doesn't think that Yorkshire is God's Own Country. One can only conclude he's insane.

(if anyone wants to try a more serious example, try gun control. It's self-evident that looser access to guns and ammunition means there will be more deaths from gunshots. I suspect Barry would not agree).

(editted to repair typo)

Edited by Bob O'H on Sep. 01 2015,10:50

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2015,09:32   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Sep. 01 2015,04:04)
For those of you who haven't seen it yet, {url=http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/self-evident-does-not-mean-apparent/]Barry's latest post is a classic[/url]. In it he writes
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An example of a self-evident claim is that 2+2+4. I cannot “prove” that 2+2=4. But does the fact that I cannot prove the proposition mean that I must conclude it is false? Of course not. I know the proposition to be true without proof merely because I understand what it means. Another way of looking at it is that I know for an absolute certain fact that the proposition “2+2 is not 4” is absurd in the sense that it cannot possibly be true, and in order to accept it as true I would have to reject rationality itself.

So you can guess what happens in the comments.

I suspect what Barry considers "self-evident" is really "what he was taught at an early age". But that probably means he doesn't think that Yorkshire is God's Own Country. One can only conclude he's insane.

(if anyone wants to try a more serious example, try gun control. It's self-evident that looser access to guns and ammunition means there will be more deaths from gunshots. I suspect Barry would not agree).

But it is self-evident that same-sex marriage will weaken the institution of marriage, and that the top student in a school must not be allowed to give a valedictory speech if he is gay.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2015,16:10   

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FYI-FTR: SS’s red herring –> strawman abuse of the Golden Rule vs the needed World-Root IS that grounds OUGHT
September 1, 2015

Posted by kairosfocus under Darwinist rhetorical tactics, Logic and First Principles of right reason, Politics/policy and origins issues, Science, worldview issues/foundations and society, Selective Hyperskepticism

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For some weeks now, in the teeth of repeated correction, SS [attn, LH, DK etc] has been abusing the Golden Rule by dragging it as a red herring across the track of the issue of grounding OUGHT in a world-root level IS, and then setting up a strawman argument on how reciprocity adequately founds moral […]
WTF do all those words mean?

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2015,16:26   

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Virgil CainAugust 31, 2015 at 1:29 pm
You can demonstrate, 100% of the time, that 2+2=4. Self-evident


Even when I'm doing Mod 3 addition?
source of dumbness

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2015,17:41   

Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 01 2015,16:10)
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FYI-FTR: SS’s red herring –> strawman abuse of the Golden Rule vs the needed World-Root IS that grounds OUGHT
September 1, 2015

Posted by kairosfocus under Darwinist rhetorical tactics, Logic and First Principles of right reason, Politics/policy and origins issues, Science, worldview issues/foundations and society, Selective Hyperskepticism

Comments off

For some weeks now, in the teeth of repeated correction, SS [attn, LH, DK etc] has been abusing the Golden Rule by dragging it as a red herring across the track of the issue of grounding OUGHT in a world-root level IS, and then setting up a strawman argument on how reciprocity adequately founds moral […]
[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/ethics/science-worldview-issues-and-society/fyi-ftr-sss-red-herring-strawman-abuse-of-the-golden-rule-vs-the-needed-world-root-is-that

-grounds-ought/]WTF do all those words mean?[/URL]

WTF does anything Gordon Mullings say, mean?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2015,18:57   

Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 01 2015,15:26)
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Virgil CainAugust 31, 2015 at 1:29 pm
You can demonstrate, 100% of the time, that 2+2=4. Self-evident


Even when I'm doing Mod 3 addition?

Then don't do that!!111!!!one!!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2015,18:59   

What do those words mean?

What he wants them to. No more, no less, nothing else. ;)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2015,19:11   

I don't know if any of you are on Google+, but there's at least one ID community that has a subgroup for Uncommon Descent.

https://plus.google.com/u....6808944

There's a lot of ID rhetoric on G+ now. I don't think that any of the UD crew are on (except O'Leary... which G+ keeps suggesting I follow for some reason), but the people are there.

If anyone needs some new tard to mine. You can also join me and a few evolution/science communities.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2015,00:57   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Sep. 02 2015,01:11)
I don't know if any of you are on Google+, but there's at least one ID community that has a subgroup for Uncommon Descent.

https://plus.google.com/u....68....6808944

There's a lot of ID rhetoric on G+ now. I don't think that any of the UD crew are on (except O'Leary... which G+ keeps suggesting I follow for some reason), but the people are there.

If anyone needs some new tard to mine. You can also join me and a few evolution/science communities.

And here's what's on the front page....



???

I'm sure just it's a simple mistake.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2015,02:47   

Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 01 2015,14:10)
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FYI-FTR: SS’s red herring –> strawman abuse of the Golden Rule vs the needed World-Root IS that grounds OUGHT
September 1, 2015

Posted by kairosfocus under Darwinist rhetorical tactics, Logic and First Principles of right reason, Politics/policy and origins issues, Science, worldview issues/foundations and society, Selective Hyperskepticism

Comments off

For some weeks now, in the teeth of repeated correction, SS [attn, LH, DK etc] has been abusing the Golden Rule by dragging it as a red herring across the track of the issue of grounding OUGHT in a world-root level IS, and then setting up a strawman argument on how reciprocity adequately founds moral […]
[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/ethics/science-worldview-issues-and-society/fyi-ftr-sss-red-herring-strawman-abuse-of-the-golden-rule-vs-the-needed-world-root-is-that


-grounds-ought/]WTF do all those words mean?[/URL]

Those words mean that atmosphere poisoning evo-mat Abu fishing reels with homosexualist porn agendas are invading Montserrat from the north and are spreading FIASCO immorality via Constitutional crises dragged across Marxist intelligent design of smoking irreducible complexity laced with icky statues of naked people in a public park which crosses a nuclear tripwire Mafioso style but can be saved by grace by killing disobedient children because Rom 1 says that they have no excuse and deserve death and by eating the flesh of Jesus's Alinskyite Face while drinking ginger beer with Hitler at the Bitter End Beach Bar and praising Mr. Leathers for inflicting six of the best on Lewontin while befriending former murderers which proves that biblical scriptures are inerrant history and that sex is only for making 100 million ghost babies that should be dashed against rocks because sodomy has 500-1000 bits of Bydand! FOR RECORD. END.

Makes perfect sense.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2015,09:28   

Quote (The whole truth @ Sep. 02 2015,00:47)
Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 01 2015,14:10)
 
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FYI-FTR: SS’s red herring –> strawman abuse of the Golden Rule vs the needed World-Root IS that grounds OUGHT
September 1, 2015

Posted by kairosfocus under Darwinist rhetorical tactics, Logic and First Principles of right reason, Politics/policy and origins issues, Science, worldview issues/foundations and society, Selective Hyperskepticism

Comments off

For some weeks now, in the teeth of repeated correction, SS [attn, LH, DK etc] has been abusing the Golden Rule by dragging it as a red herring across the track of the issue of grounding OUGHT in a world-root level IS, and then setting up a strawman argument on how reciprocity adequately founds moral […]
[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/ethics/science-worldview-issues-and-society/fyi-ftr-sss-red-herring-strawman-abuse-of-the-golden-rule-vs-the-needed-world-root-is-that



-grounds-ought/]WTF do all those words mean?[/URL]

Those words mean that atmosphere poisoning evo-mat Abu fishing reels with homosexualist porn agendas are invading Montserrat from the north and are spreading FIASCO immorality via Constitutional crises dragged across Marxist intelligent design of smoking irreducible complexity laced with icky statues of naked people in a public park which crosses a nuclear tripwire Mafioso style but can be saved by grace by killing disobedient children because Rom 1 says that they have no excuse and deserve death and by eating the flesh of Jesus's Alinskyite Face while drinking ginger beer with Hitler at the Bitter End Beach Bar and praising Mr. Leathers for inflicting six of the best on Lewontin while befriending former murderers which proves that biblical scriptures are inerrant history and that sex is only for making 100 million ghost babies that should be dashed against rocks because sodomy has 500-1000 bits of Bydand! FOR RECORD. END.

Makes perfect sense.

:D

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2015,09:36   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Sep. 01 2015,19:11)
I don't know if any of you are on Google+, but there's at least one ID community that has a subgroup for Uncommon Descent.

https://plus.google.com/u....68....6808944

There's a lot of ID rhetoric on G+ now. I don't think that any of the UD crew are on (except O'Leary... which G+ keeps suggesting I follow for some reason), but the people are there.

If anyone needs some new tard to mine. You can also join me and a few evolution/science communities.

Looks like two guys up-voting each other.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2015,09:41   

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Champi Dino originally shared:

THE JEWS WHO FAUGHT AND KILLED THE LORD JESUS WERE COMING FROM WHERE? WERE THEY UNDER THE LAW?


Not that there's anything wrong with a bit of anti-semitism.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2015,09:44   

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sean samis

September 2, 2015 at 6:26 am

I will reply to kairosfocus’s comment #139, but later today. KF clearly put a lot of feeling into it and I want to respond appropriately. I will note the somewhat cowardly way he double-posted his reply to me, putting it prominently on a site-headline and then blocking any response there. It shows that for all KF’s passion, KF lacks confidence in his argument. As he should.

Until later.

sean s.
hehehehe

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2015,10:55   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Sep. 01 2015,19:11)
There's a lot of ID rhetoric on G+ now. I don't think that any of the UD crew are on (except O'Leary... which G+ keeps suggesting I follow for some reason), .....

She needs people following behind in the same way that a cavalry parade does.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2015,11:08   

Quote (KevinB @ Sep. 02 2015,18:55)
Quote (OgreMkV @ Sep. 01 2015,19:11)
There's a lot of ID rhetoric on G+ now. I don't think that any of the UD crew are on (except O'Leary... which G+ keeps suggesting I follow for some reason), .....

She needs people following behind in the same way that a cavalry parade does.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2015,13:36   

IRONY ALERT! IRONY ALERT! URONY ALERT!

OK, don't say that I didn't warn you. Comment 148.



Barry Arrogant
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Liar. You’ve dodged the question twice now. It is plain to me you don’t want an honest discussion. Goodbye.
If You can't see that what I say is self-evident, you are a liar, evil and insane

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2015,13:51   

This is a bit off-topic, and feel free to move it wherever it belongs, but in the spirit of positive engagement (and in the spirit of doing a hell of a lot better than "You're a liar for disagreeing with me!"), I'm running a fundraising campaign to defray the costs of attending a unique conference. It's part of research for the book I'm writing:

http://www.gofundme.com/ss29jrf....s29jrfk

I'd appreciate your sharing the link by whatever channels you use, if you're so inclined. Thank you!

  
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