Erasmus, FCD
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Quote | Patrick on March 2, 2012 at 1:13 am said: Quote | Leaving aside the problematic word "reducible" (epi- and emergent phenomena make reductionism untenable) for the nonce, please provide any objective, empirical evidence you have for anything other than physics and chemistry being used by living organisms.Where, exactly, is this élan vital you seem to be asserting? |
Quote | Joe G: Where? In the organisms- just as the information- in the organisms- |
I'm sorry, I can't parse this. Could you please explain exactly what you are claiming is present in living organisms in addition to physical and chemical processes?
Quote | You have no idea what IDists have been saying, do you? |
I'm trying to understand what you are saying. Please help me by stating your claims clearly and unambiguously.
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Joe G on March 2, 2012 at 1:49 am said: Quote | Patrick: Joe G: Where? In the organisms- just as the information- in the organisms- |
I'm sorry, I can't parse this.Could you please explain exactly what you are claiming is present in living organisms in addition to physical and chemical processes?
I'm trying to understand what you are saying.Please help me by stating your claims clearly and unambiguously.
ID claims that living organisms are not reducible to matter, energy, necessity and chance- ie that there is more to be a living organism that physics and chemistry.
ID claims that there is, for one, also information. Just as information runs a computer, information runs organisms.
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anybody still on the fence whether joe is retarded or just trolling?
-------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK
Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG
the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat
I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles
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