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Timothy McDougald Posts: 1036 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 04 2012,11:50    Quote (JLT @ June 04 2012,10:59) Quote When the design inference goes bad … Posted by News under Design inference, Intelligent Design, Just For Fun, News From “Jesus found in Texas bathroom mold, we learn           Quote A Texas family says they are getting strength from an image of Jesus they found in the mold growing inside the shower of their home.    Chyanna Richards, who lives in the home, told KTRK-TV, Houston, she doesn’t know if it’s mold or mildew in the bathroom but said the appearance of Jesus’ image has meaning.    “Maybe it means something. Maybe look into yourself and see if you need to change something in your life,” she said. It does indeed mean something, Madam. Take it from UD News, it means you need to change your life. Acquire a scrub brush and anti-mildew powder pronto, and get to work. I just applied Dembski's EF. It is obvious that there's no necessity for mold to grow in a form that might be recognized as Jesus by some. It is also obviously impossible that this happened by chance. Let's say the Jesus-like mold growth covers a 0.1x0.1 m area. Typical hyphae are a few µm wide, let's say 5 µm for ease of calculation. If I ignore for the moment anything else about growth pattern of mold, number of mold growth that can be identified as being Jesus if you look at it in the right way and if you're a religious whackjob who sees Jesus in everything, and all other factors that I don't know how to calculate, then I can easily estimate the possibility of this Jesus-like mold appearing by chance: The area can be described as 4x10^8 5x5 µm "pixels". Each of these pixels can have mold in it or not, so the possibility of this one Jesus-like mold appearing on a shower wall is 1/2^400000000 which is really, really, really impossible. Like, at least 300 zeros and stuff impossible. And I haven't even calculated how impossible it is that it turned up in this specific shower and not in any other shower, cheese sandwich, or tree stump. Which means that according to Dembski's EF Jesus himself designed this: Praise be the Lord! I don't know why the UD folks don't agree with me here. I'm pretty sure I followed the approved "How to calculate shit to arrive at some meaningless number with a lot of zeros to impress the rubes" method of ID math. It looks like Jesus is holding a lightsaber, are we sure this is jesus and not Obi-Wan Kenobi? -------------- Church burning ebola boy FTK: I Didn't answer your questions because it beats the hell out of me. PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: June 04 2012,12:02    Quote (afarensis @ June 04 2012,11:50) Quote (JLT @ June 04 2012,10:59) Quote When the design inference goes bad … Posted by News under Design inference, Intelligent Design, Just For Fun, News From “Jesus found in Texas bathroom mold, we learn             Quote A Texas family says they are getting strength from an image of Jesus they found in the mold growing inside the shower of their home.    Chyanna Richards, who lives in the home, told KTRK-TV, Houston, she doesn’t know if it’s mold or mildew in the bathroom but said the appearance of Jesus’ image has meaning.    “Maybe it means something. Maybe look into yourself and see if you need to change something in your life,” she said. It does indeed mean something, Madam. Take it from UD News, it means you need to change your life. Acquire a scrub brush and anti-mildew powder pronto, and get to work. I just applied Dembski's EF. It is obvious that there's no necessity for mold to grow in a form that might be recognized as Jesus by some. It is also obviously impossible that this happened by chance. Let's say the Jesus-like mold growth covers a 0.1x0.1 m area. Typical hyphae are a few µm wide, let's say 5 µm for ease of calculation. If I ignore for the moment anything else about growth pattern of mold, number of mold growth that can be identified as being Jesus if you look at it in the right way and if you're a religious whackjob who sees Jesus in everything, and all other factors that I don't know how to calculate, then I can easily estimate the possibility of this Jesus-like mold appearing by chance: The area can be described as 4x10^8 5x5 µm "pixels". Each of these pixels can have mold in it or not, so the possibility of this one Jesus-like mold appearing on a shower wall is 1/2^400000000 which is really, really, really impossible. Like, at least 300 zeros and stuff impossible. And I haven't even calculated how impossible it is that it turned up in this specific shower and not in any other shower, cheese sandwich, or tree stump. Which means that according to Dembski's EF Jesus himself designed this: Praise be the Lord! I don't know why the UD folks don't agree with me here. I'm pretty sure I followed the approved "How to calculate shit to arrive at some meaningless number with a lot of zeros to impress the rubes" method of ID math. It looks like Jesus is holding a lightsaber, are we sure this is jesus and not Obi-Wan Kenobi? Sorry.  I'm allergic to Jesus. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

JLT Posts: 740 Joined: Jan. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: June 04 2012,12:06    Quote (afarensis @ June 04 2012,17:50) It looks like Jesus is holding a lightsaber, are we sure this is jesus and not Obi-Wan Kenobi? Heathen. ETA: You, too, OgreMkV, you, too. May you be saved by some moldy Jeezes in your shower. -------------- "Random mutations, if they are truly random, will affect, and potentially damage, any aspect of the organism, [...] Thus, a realistic [computer] simulation [of evolution] would allow the program, OS, and hardware to be affected in a random fashion." GilDodgen, Frilly shirt owner

Robin Posts: 1431 Joined: Sep. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: June 04 2012,12:11    Quote (JLT @ June 04 2012,10:59) Which means that according to Dembski's EF Jesus himself designed this: Praise be the Lord! I don't know why the UD folks don't agree with me here. I'm pretty sure I followed the approved "How to calculate shit to arrive at some meaningless number with a lot of zeros to impress the rubes" method of ID math. Uhhh...that's not Jesus. It's Tommy Iommi from Black Sabbath. The image even shows his iconic left-handed Fender. Here's a pic that's nearly identical to the mold image: Now THAT'S scary coincodink! So...uhh...what the heck are they doing in that shower anyway? Edited by Robin on June 04 2012,12:12 -------------- we IDists rule in design for the flagellum and cilium largely because they do look designed.  Bilbo The only reason you reject Thor is because, like a cushion, you bear the imprint of the biggest arse that sat on you. Louis

dvunkannon Posts: 1377 Joined: June 2008 (Permalink) Posted: June 04 2012,12:13    Quote (JLT @ June 04 2012,02:50) Quote (Richardthughes @ June 01 2012,21:06)     Quote (JLT @ June 01 2012,06:53) I'm sure none of you would want to miss this:         Quote Luskin and Arrington Discuss ID Date:  Monday, June 4 Time:  4:00 to 6:00 Mountain Go here http://www.947krks.com/....rks....rks.com Then click on “Listen Live” Liveblog here, maybe? I'm wondering, is this the show Luskin and Barry will appear at to discuss the totally not religious ID? Get answers to your Bible questions, LOL. I'm feeling slightly masochistic today, maybe I'll listen in. Reading the bio, I see the host is another vulture, feeding off of the Columbine tragedy. Arrington must have felt right at home. -------------- I’m referring to evolution, not changes in allele frequencies. - Cornelius Hunter I’m not an evolutionist, I’m a change in allele frequentist! - Nakashima

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: June 04 2012,12:13    Quote (JLT @ June 04 2012,12:06) Quote (afarensis @ June 04 2012,17:50) It looks like Jesus is holding a lightsaber, are we sure this is jesus and not Obi-Wan Kenobi? Heathen. He's not a heathen as long as it's Alec Guiness' Obi-Wan and not that other guy. If he thinks it that "other" Star Wars series, then, yes, he's a heathen and should be forced to watch The Perils of Gwendoline in the Land of the Yik-Yak until he admits that the first three movies are worse than that one.** ** I refer here to the numbering scheme, not release dates. Edited by OgreMkV on June 04 2012,12:14 -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

dvunkannon Posts: 1377 Joined: June 2008 (Permalink) Posted: June 04 2012,12:17    Quote (OgreMkV @ June 04 2012,13:13) ** I refer here to the numbering scheme, not release dates. Thank the Sith you clarified that point! -------------- I’m referring to evolution, not changes in allele frequencies. - Cornelius Hunter I’m not an evolutionist, I’m a change in allele frequentist! - Nakashima

JLT Posts: 740 Joined: Jan. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: June 04 2012,12:24    Quote (Robin @ June 04 2012,18:11) Uhhh...that's not Jesus. It's Tommy Iommi from Black Sabbath. The image even shows his iconic left-handed Fender. Here's a pic that's nearly identical to the mold image: Now THAT'S scary coincodink! So...uhh...what the heck are they doing in that shower anyway? I see ... No one can defeat my mathematical proof on scientific grounds, so you have to resort to equivocations that betray your nihilistic materialistic atheistic worldview. Or something. P.S.: Your pornographic imagery (shower! Where people are nekkid!) slyly implied to distract from your obfuscatory comment: Noted. Edited by Lou FCD on June 08 2012,20:49 -------------- "Random mutations, if they are truly random, will affect, and potentially damage, any aspect of the organism, [...] Thus, a realistic [computer] simulation [of evolution] would allow the program, OS, and hardware to be affected in a random fashion." GilDodgen, Frilly shirt owner

Kattarina98 Posts: 1267 Joined: Sep. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: June 04 2012,12:25    Quote (dvunkannon @ June 04 2012,12:13)   Quote (JLT @ June 04 2012,02:50)   Quote (Richardthughes @ June 01 2012,21:06)         Quote (JLT @ June 01 2012,06:53) I'm sure none of you would want to miss this:           Quote Luskin and Arrington Discuss ID Date:  Monday, June 4 Time:  4:00 to 6:00 Mountain Go here http://www.947krks.com/....rks....rks.com Then click on “Listen Live” Liveblog here, maybe? I'm wondering, is this the show Luskin and Barry will appear at to discuss the totally not religious ID? Get answers to your Bible questions, LOL. I'm feeling slightly masochistic today, maybe I'll listen in. Reading the bio, I see the host is another vulture, feeding off of the Columbine tragedy. Arrington must have felt right at home. I'll tune it, at least for a while - just as soon as I figure out what time that is in Munich. My Wiki-educated guess is 10pm. My prophecy: Lacey Cuskin has a high, squeaky voice - think rubber duck. Bully Bannington sounds like a heavy drinker and smoker. -------------- Barry Arrington is a bitch.

Timothy McDougald Posts: 1036 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 04 2012,12:28    Quote (OgreMkV @ June 04 2012,12:13) Quote (JLT @ June 04 2012,12:06)   Quote (afarensis @ June 04 2012,17:50) It looks like Jesus is holding a lightsaber, are we sure this is jesus and not Obi-Wan Kenobi? Heathen. He's not a heathen as long as it's Alec Guiness' Obi-Wan and not that other guy. If he thinks it that "other" Star Wars series, then, yes, he's a heathen and should be forced to watch The Perils of Gwendoline in the Land of the Yik-Yak until he admits that the first three movies are worse than that one.** ** I refer here to the numbering scheme, not release dates. Alec Guiness, definitely Alec Guiness. -------------- Church burning ebola boy FTK: I Didn't answer your questions because it beats the hell out of me. PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

JLT Posts: 740 Joined: Jan. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: June 04 2012,12:30    Quote (Kattarina98 @ June 04 2012,18:25) I'll tune it, at least for a while - just as soon as I figure out what time that is in Munich. My Wiki-educated guess is 10pm. My prophecy: Lacey Cuskin has a high, squeaky voice - think rubber duck. Bully Bannington sounds like a heavy drinker and smoker. It's 12pm, I think. -------------- "Random mutations, if they are truly random, will affect, and potentially damage, any aspect of the organism, [...] Thus, a realistic [computer] simulation [of evolution] would allow the program, OS, and hardware to be affected in a random fashion." GilDodgen, Frilly shirt owner

Robin Posts: 1431 Joined: Sep. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: June 04 2012,12:32    Quote (JLT @ June 04 2012,12:24) I see ... No one can defeat my mathematical proof on scientific grounds, so you have to resort to equivocations that betray your nihilistic materialistic atheistic worldview. Or something. P.S.: Your pornographic imagery (shower! Where people are nekkid!) slyly implied to distract from your obfuscatory comment: Noted. POTW! -------------- we IDists rule in design for the flagellum and cilium largely because they do look designed.  Bilbo The only reason you reject Thor is because, like a cushion, you bear the imprint of the biggest arse that sat on you. Louis

George Posts: 316 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 04 2012,12:56    Quote (Robin @ June 04 2012,12:11)   Quote (JLT @ June 04 2012,10:59) Which means that according to Dembski's EF Jesus himself designed this: Praise be the Lord! I don't know why the UD folks don't agree with me here. I'm pretty sure I followed the approved "How to calculate shit to arrive at some meaningless number with a lot of zeros to impress the rubes" method of ID math. Uhhh...that's not Jesus. It's Tommy Iommi from Black Sabbath. The image even shows his iconic left-handed Fender. Here's a pic that's nearly identical to the mold image: Now THAT'S scary coincodink! So...uhh...what the heck are they doing in that shower anyway? I think this saintly, bearded gentleman a much more likely candidate to appear on a shower wall in mildew.   Shall I quote scripture? In the dark Where all the fevers grow Under the water Where the shark bubbles blow In the mornin' By yer radio Do the walls close in t' suffocate ya You ain't got no friends . . . An' all the others: they hate ya Does the life you been livin' gotta go? -- Stinkfoot Is that not suggestive of water and morning routines, small enclosed spaces and hygiene problems?

sparc Posts: 2088 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 04 2012,13:21    Quote (Robin @ June 04 2012,12:11) It's Tommy Iommi from Black Sabbath. The image even shows his iconic left-handed Fender. Here's a pic that's nearly identical to the mold image: Left-handed but clearly a Gibson SG and no Strat or Tele. In his own words:   Quote In the very early days of the band, I was into playing a battered Fender Stratocaster. The Strat was the hot guitar in England at the time, so playing one was very much a status thing. I know that people like Jimi Hendrix had played one, and I think that made everyone think of them as being "in". I did own an SG at that time too, but it was little more than a backup guitar for me in case my Strat broke down. Then, right in the middle of recording our first record, one of my pickups stopped working. Back then, fixing a guitar pickup wasn't as easy as it is today and it was real work to change them. We only had two days in the studio to finish the entire record, so there was no time to waste. It was at that moment that I switched over to the SG, and I never played the Stratocaster again (from Hit Parader Magazine, July 1993) -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

sledgehammer Posts: 533 Joined: Sep. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: June 04 2012,14:11    Quote (Robin @ June 04 2012,10:11)   Quote (JLT @ June 04 2012,10:59) Which means that according to Dembski's EF Jesus himself designed this: Praise be the Lord! I don't know why the UD folks don't agree with me here. I'm pretty sure I followed the approved "How to calculate shit to arrive at some meaningless number with a lot of zeros to impress the rubes" method of ID math. Uhhh...that's not Jesus. It's Tommy Iommi from Black Sabbath. The image even shows his iconic left-handed Fender. Here's a pic that's nearly identical to the mold image: Now THAT'S scary coincodink! So...uhh...what the heck are they doing in that shower anyway? And here I thought it was one of the Three Musketeers: -------------- The majority of the stupid is invincible and guaranteed for all time. The terror of their tyranny is alleviated by their lack of consistency. -A. Einstein  (H/T, JAD) If evolution is true, you could not know that it's true because your brain is nothing but chemicals. ?Think about that. -K. Hovind

dvunkannon Posts: 1377 Joined: June 2008 (Permalink) Posted: June 04 2012,14:21    Niwrad proves, PROVES, that OOL couldn't happen. Don't tell these guys... NASA AstroBiology Conference presentation on OOL -------------- I’m referring to evolution, not changes in allele frequencies. - Cornelius Hunter I’m not an evolutionist, I’m a change in allele frequentist! - Nakashima

Robin Posts: 1431 Joined: Sep. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: June 04 2012,14:22    Quote (sparc @ June 04 2012,13:21) Left-handed but clearly a Gibson SG and no Strat or Tele. In his own words:   [quote] I sit corrected. -------------- we IDists rule in design for the flagellum and cilium largely because they do look designed.  Bilbo The only reason you reject Thor is because, like a cushion, you bear the imprint of the biggest arse that sat on you. Louis

NormOlsen Posts: 104 Joined: Nov. 2011 (Permalink) Posted: June 04 2012,14:46    Quote (dvunkannon @ June 04 2012,14:21) Niwrad proves, PROVES, that OOL couldn't happen. Don't tell these guys... NASA AstroBiology Conference presentation on OOL Good lord, the verbiage, it just never ends.  I think Niwrad's been drinking the KF cool aid; all he needed was a few ugly flow charts and it would have been a full blown GEM.  And then Barry quips "Geat post!!" like he actually read the damn thing.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 04 2012,17:12    Quote (sledgehammer @ June 04 2012,14:11) Quote (Robin @ June 04 2012,10:11)     Quote (JLT @ June 04 2012,10:59) Which means that according to Dembski's EF Jesus himself designed this: Praise be the Lord! I don't know why the UD folks don't agree with me here. I'm pretty sure I followed the approved "How to calculate shit to arrive at some meaningless number with a lot of zeros to impress the rubes" method of ID math. Uhhh...that's not Jesus. It's Tommy Iommi from Black Sabbath. The image even shows his iconic left-handed Fender. Here's a pic that's nearly identical to the mold image: Now THAT'S scary coincodink! So...uhh...what the heck are they doing in that shower anyway? And here I thought it was one of the Three Musketeers: -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

JLT Posts: 740 Joined: Jan. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: June 04 2012,18:11    I can't listen to this. Luskin apparently prepared a best-of quotemines to read that prove how all those evolutionists secretely (= in their published articles and books) admit that there's no evidence whatsoever for evolution. BarryA sounds like an overexcited weasel. Fitting. Oh no. I give up. Now they're talking about this *explosion* of information known as Cambrian *explosion* where fully formed animals popped into existence... My bleeding ears. Old earth, young earth, that is kind of a Christian in-house discussion; as long as the earth was created and didn't create itself, ID is right... Thank god, another break. I'm a really peaceful person but, man, I'd enjoy to take both their heads and bang them together. Repeatedly. Btw, did any of you knew about this book? It's supposed to come out in a few weeks. I shudder at how they'll have massacred science in that one. Thankfully, I have to get up in the morning and can't listen to the second hour... -------------- "Random mutations, if they are truly random, will affect, and potentially damage, any aspect of the organism, [...] Thus, a realistic [computer] simulation [of evolution] would allow the program, OS, and hardware to be affected in a random fashion." GilDodgen, Frilly shirt owner

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 04 2012,18:28    Quote (JLT @ June 04 2012,18:11) I can't listen to this. Luskin apparently prepared a best-of quotemines to read that prove how all those evolutionists secretely (= in their published articles and books) admit that there's no evidence whatsoever for evolution. BarryA sounds like an overexcited weasel. Fitting. Oh no. I give up. Now they're talking about this *explosion* of information known as Cambrian *explosion* where fully formed animals popped into existence... My bleeding ears. Old earth, young earth, that is kind of a Christian in-house discussion; as long as the earth was created and didn't create itself, ID is right... Thank god, another break. I'm a really peaceful person but, man, I'd enjoy to take both their heads and bang them together. Repeatedly. Btw, did any of you knew about this book? It's supposed to come out in a few weeks. I shudder at how they'll have massacred science in that one. Thankfully, I have to get up in the morning and can't listen to the second hour... have you got a direct link? -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 04 2012,19:11    Quote (George @ June 04 2012,13:56) Quote (Robin @ June 04 2012,12:11)     Quote (JLT @ June 04 2012,10:59) Which means that according to Dembski's EF Jesus himself designed this: Praise be the Lord! I don't know why the UD folks don't agree with me here. I'm pretty sure I followed the approved "How to calculate shit to arrive at some meaningless number with a lot of zeros to impress the rubes" method of ID math. Uhhh...that's not Jesus. It's Tommy Iommi from Black Sabbath. The image even shows his iconic left-handed Fender. Here's a pic that's nearly identical to the mold image: Now THAT'S scary coincodink! So...uhh...what the heck are they doing in that shower anyway? I think this saintly, bearded gentleman a much more likely candidate to appear on a shower wall in mildew.   Shall I quote scripture? In the dark Where all the fevers grow Under the water Where the shark bubbles blow In the mornin' By yer radio Do the walls close in t' suffocate ya You ain't got no friends . . . An' all the others: they hate ya Does the life you been livin' gotta go? -- Stinkfoot Is that not suggestive of water and morning routines, small enclosed spaces and hygiene problems? Amen. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 04 2012,19:51    Quote (JLT @ June 04 2012,08:59) Quote When the design inference goes bad … Posted by News under Design inference, Intelligent Design, Just For Fun, News From “Jesus found in Texas bathroom mold, we learn             Quote A Texas family says they are getting strength from an image of Jesus they found in the mold growing inside the shower of their home.    Chyanna Richards, who lives in the home, told KTRK-TV, Houston, she doesn’t know if it’s mold or mildew in the bathroom but said the appearance of Jesus’ image has meaning.    “Maybe it means something. Maybe look into yourself and see if you need to change something in your life,” she said. It does indeed mean something, Madam. Take it from UD News, it means you need to change your life. Acquire a scrub brush and anti-mildew powder pronto, and get to work. I just applied Dembski's EF. It is obvious that there's no necessity for mold to grow in a form that might be recognized as Jesus by some. It is also obviously impossible that this happened by chance. Let's say the Jesus-like mold growth covers a 0.1x0.1 m area. Typical hyphae are a few µm wide, let's say 5 µm for ease of calculation. If I ignore for the moment anything else about growth pattern of mold, number of mold growth that can be identified as being Jesus if you look at it in the right way and if you're a religious whackjob who sees Jesus in everything, and all other factors that I don't know how to calculate, then I can easily estimate the possibility of this Jesus-like mold appearing by chance: The area can be described as 4x10^8 5x5 µm "pixels". Each of these pixels can have mold in it or not, so the possibility of this one Jesus-like mold appearing on a shower wall is 1/2^400000000 which is really, really, really impossible. Like, at least 300 zeros and stuff impossible. And I haven't even calculated how impossible it is that it turned up in this specific shower and not in any other shower, cheese sandwich, or tree stump. Which means that according to Dembski's EF Jesus himself designed this: Praise be the Lord! I don't know why the UD folks don't agree with me here. I'm pretty sure I followed the approved "How to calculate shit to arrive at some meaningless number with a lot of zeros to impress the rubes" method of ID math. As if. Clearly Weird Al with a Weed-EaterTM. -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

Timothy McDougald Posts: 1036 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 04 2012,20:07    Quote (Richardthughes @ June 04 2012,18:28)   Quote (JLT @ June 04 2012,18:11) I can't listen to this. Luskin apparently prepared a best-of quotemines to read that prove how all those evolutionists secretely (= in their published articles and books) admit that there's no evidence whatsoever for evolution. BarryA sounds like an overexcited weasel. Fitting. Oh no. I give up. Now they're talking about this *explosion* of information known as Cambrian *explosion* where fully formed animals popped into existence... My bleeding ears. Old earth, young earth, that is kind of a Christian in-house discussion; as long as the earth was created and didn't create itself, ID is right... Thank god, another break. I'm a really peaceful person but, man, I'd enjoy to take both their heads and bang them together. Repeatedly. Btw, did any of you knew about this book? It's supposed to come out in a few weeks. I shudder at how they'll have massacred science in that one. Thankfully, I have to get up in the morning and can't listen to the second hour... have you got a direct link? I found the book listed on Amazon Here is the description: Quote Evidence for a purely Darwinian account of human origins is supposed to be overwhelming. But is it? In this provocative book, three scientists challenge the claim that undirected natural selection is capable of building a human being, critically assess fossil and genetic evidence that human beings share a common ancestor with apes, and debunk recent claims that the human race could not have started from an original couple. Bolding mine.  No religion here, norsiree bob, its all science! Hopefully used copies will show up fairly quickly because I ain't paying full price for this dog... Edit to fix typos, -------------- Church burning ebola boy FTK: I Didn't answer your questions because it beats the hell out of me. PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

sledgehammer Posts: 533 Joined: Sep. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: June 04 2012,20:20    Quote (afarensis @ June 04 2012,18:07)         Quote Evidence for a purely Darwinian account of human origins is supposed to be overwhelming. But is it? In this provocative book,  three scientists challenge the claim that undirected natural selection is capable of building a human being, critically assess fossil and genetic evidence that human beings share a common ancestor with apes,and debunk recent claims that the human race could not have started from an original couple. So now Casey is a scientist?  That's rich. More like two lyin'tists and a shyster. Edited by sledgehammer on June 04 2012,18:25 -------------- The majority of the stupid is invincible and guaranteed for all time. The terror of their tyranny is alleviated by their lack of consistency. -A. Einstein  (H/T, JAD) If evolution is true, you could not know that it's true because your brain is nothing but chemicals. ?Think about that. -K. Hovind

Timothy McDougald Posts: 1036 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 04 2012,20:35    If this review is anything to go by, it's the same crap, different package, that Gauger, Axe, and Luskin have been peddling for awhile. -------------- Church burning ebola boy FTK: I Didn't answer your questions because it beats the hell out of me. PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: June 04 2012,21:29    Does it actually list the various fossil and whether each one is human or non-human? Be interesting to compare to the various lists that YECs have come up with in the past. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Kattarina98 Posts: 1267 Joined: Sep. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: June 05 2012,02:22    Quote (JLT @ June 04 2012,12:30) Quote (Kattarina98 @ June 04 2012,18:25) I'll tune it, at least for a while - just as soon as I figure out what time that is in Munich. My Wiki-educated guess is 10pm. My prophecy: Lacey Cuskin has a high, squeaky voice - think rubber duck. Bully Bannington sounds like a heavy drinker and smoker. It's 12pm, I think. Thank you, JLT! You were braver than I, I gave up after 30 minutes. After each commercial break, i.e. every 10 minutes or so, CL and BA hysterically hyped this new, groundbreaking book. - BTW, the commercials were epitomies of blasphemy, "God bless you, XYZ Insurance Company!" The first caller gave them a very welcome cue: Transitional fossils. They don't exist !!!111elevenhundred!!. That's when they started with the Cambrian explosion, and they got news - it only lasted 10 million years. Of course, this number still must have exasperated the YECs. And the way BA sucked up to CL was hilarious; he called him a renaissance man because he has got a degree in geography as well as in law. Plus, he is one of the luminaries at the DI. -------------- Barry Arrington is a bitch.

JLT Posts: 740 Joined: Jan. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: June 05 2012,02:30    Quote (afarensis @ June 05 2012,02:35) If this review is anything to go by, it's the same crap, different package, that Gauger, Axe, and Luskin have been peddling for awhile. It's interesting, while they normally target the mechanism(s) of evolution, in this book they mostly seem to go after common descent. Not surprisingly, since their target audience didn't come from no monkey. The caller to the radio show were all YECs (one called to relate his "astute observation" (BarryA) of how a big rainfall carved out a mini canyon somewhere, proving that it's just an assumption that it took a long time to produce the Grand Canyon; haven't we heard that before) and both BarryA and Luskin did their best to point out the "big tent" of ID and how both OECs and YECs subscribe to it. Luskin seemed kind of reluctant to say that a young earth is still a possibility, though. I thought by now he would be able to tell every lie with a straight face, but apparently even he has his limits. BarryA, OTOH, declared Luskin a "renaissance man" after reading Luskin's "credentials", which proves that BarryA knows no shame. -------------- "Random mutations, if they are truly random, will affect, and potentially damage, any aspect of the organism, [...] Thus, a realistic [computer] simulation [of evolution] would allow the program, OS, and hardware to be affected in a random fashion." GilDodgen, Frilly shirt owner

JLT Posts: 740 Joined: Jan. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: June 05 2012,02:38    Quote (Kattarina98 @ June 05 2012,08:22)   Quote (JLT @ June 04 2012,12:30)     Quote (Kattarina98 @ June 04 2012,18:25) I'll tune it, at least for a while - just as soon as I figure out what time that is in Munich. My Wiki-educated guess is 10pm. My prophecy: Lacey Cuskin has a high, squeaky voice - think rubber duck. Bully Bannington sounds like a heavy drinker and smoker. It's 12pm, I think. Thank you, JLT! You were braver than I, I gave up after 30 minutes. After each commercial break, i.e. every 10 minutes or so, CL and BA hysterically hyped this new, groundbreaking book. - BTW, the commercials were epitomies of blasphemy, "God bless you, XYZ Insurance Company!" The first caller gave them a very welcome cue: Transitional fossils. They don't exist !!!111elevenhundred!!. That's when they started with the Cambrian explosion, and they got news - it only lasted 10 million years. Of course, this number still must have exasperated the YECs. And the way BA sucked up to CL was hilarious; he called him a renaissance man because he has got a degree in geography as well as in law. Plus, he is one of the luminaries at the DI. Ha, you caught the renaissance man, too. One of the highlights. Yeah, BarryA was so far up Luskin's backside, he could probably see his tonsils. -------------- "Random mutations, if they are truly random, will affect, and potentially damage, any aspect of the organism, [...] Thus, a realistic [computer] simulation [of evolution] would allow the program, OS, and hardware to be affected in a random fashion." GilDodgen, Frilly shirt owner

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