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GaryGaulin Posts: 5385 Joined: Oct. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: July 15 2015,07:14    Quote (Woodbine @ July 14 2015,04:53) Thanks, Gary. I'm so used to negativity, I'm not sure what to say. But you're welcome, to read a couple more from Sal that at least I'm thankful for: http://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2015.......5133532 Considering how Sal has always been such an outspoken spokesperson for ID it's hard for me to see their opinion as having "broken ranks with my own" it's more like that's where the ranks are now sure to go. I agree that the fate of ID movement does not at all depend on the "junk DNA" issue. It depends on making this kind of progress towards better understanding the cognitive science basics of genetic systems. -------------- The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 15 2015,07:25    Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 15 2015,15:14) Quote (Woodbine @ July 14 2015,04:53) Thanks, Gary. I'm so used to negativity, I'm not sure what to say. But you're welcome, to read a couple more from Sal that at least I'm thankful for: http://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2015.......5133532 Considering how Sal has always been such an outspoken spokesperson for ID it's hard for me to see their opinion as having "broken ranks with my own" it's more like that's where the ranks are now sure to go. I agree that the fate of ID movement does not at all depend on the "junk DNA" issue. It depends on making this kind of progress towards better understanding the cognitive science basics of genetic systems. No Gary it depends on fooling the legal system which you and Casey have failed to do. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

NoName Posts: 2729 Joined: Mar. 2013 (Permalink) Posted: July 15 2015,07:40    Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 15 2015,08:14) ... I agree that the fate of ID movement does not at all depend on the "junk DNA" issue. It depends on making this kind of progress towards better understanding the cognitive science basics of genetic systems. What kind of progress?  ID has made none. What 'cognitive science basics' apply to genetic systems? Genetic systems are entirely and completely encompassed by physics and chemistry. You keep asserting otherwise, but you have never once provided a single piece of evidence that suggests there is something to genetic systems other than physics and chemistry. Atoms do not learn. Molecules, as such, do not learn. Genes are 'controlled' entirely by physics and chemistry. Put up or shut up, fail-boy. One single piece of evidence that cognitive science has anything to do with the 'basics of genetic systems'.

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 15 2015,08:49    Bedbugs are hallmarks of sanity in comparison. -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 15 2015,12:09    Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 15 2015,05:14) It depends on making this kind of progress towards better understanding the cognitive science basics of genetic systems. When you're done, perhaps you can make a start on the aerodynamic basics of quantum uncertainty, or the nuclear-fission basics of psychology. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

GaryGaulin Posts: 5385 Joined: Oct. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: July 16 2015,17:31    On the junk DNA issue: http://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2015....6747128 -------------- The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.

GaryGaulin Posts: 5385 Joined: Oct. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: July 16 2015,19:50    Quote (Jim_Wynne @ July 14 2015,09:37) One of the basic things that GG doesn't understand about science (one of many) is the value of failure........ In order to get an idea of how it works I ended up needing to try the navigational network BehaviorRAM around 1000 different ways. With at least ten times more of tweaking needed for a good understanding of what works best I'm considering adding the cellular level intelligence that in a real brain the neurons each add to the system. That requires knowing what the cells are training on. But I have a hunch that would make it a day's work to code. There is a chance this idea might fail. But if it doesn't then I will have a two intelligence level model that will figure all that out on its own, way better than I probably ever could, for it. Only way to know whether it works or not is add it to the model I have right now. At this point I have much more stable code and better behavior, but what is preprogrammed into the Behavior RAM is still a best guess by me. There is also the paper showing a "tendency for an excess of concordant cell pairs" with ideal ratios I would like to show are in the computer model too. In this case I am honestly not exactly sure of the biological neuroscience that goes with it. I only know that I have much the same going on in the propagation waves when all the places are that time timed well enough for the critter to have no problem avoiding the moving hidden shock zone. Even where the idea of adding the cellular level intelligence does not work out it will be worth the effort. At least know that it doesn't, which is better than not not knowing either way. -------------- The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.

Jim_Wynne Posts: 1208 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 16 2015,21:00    Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 16 2015,19:50) Quote (Jim_Wynne @ July 14 2015,09:37) One of the basic things that GG doesn't understand about science (one of many) is the value of failure........ In order to get an idea of how it works I ended up needing to try the navigational network BehaviorRAM around 1000 different ways. With at least ten times more of tweaking needed for a good understanding of what works best I'm considering adding the cellular level intelligence that in a real brain the neurons each add to the system. That requires knowing what the cells are training on. But I have a hunch that would make it a day's work to code. There is a chance this idea might fail. But if it doesn't then I will have a two intelligence level model that will figure all that out on its own, way better than I probably ever could, for it. Only way to know whether it works or not is add it to the model I have right now. At this point I have much more stable code and better behavior, but what is preprogrammed into the Behavior RAM is still a best guess by me. There is also the paper showing a "tendency for an excess of concordant cell pairs" with ideal ratios I would like to show are in the computer model too. In this case I am honestly not exactly sure of the biological neuroscience that goes with it. I only know that I have much the same going on in the propagation waves when all the places are that time timed well enough for the critter to have no problem avoiding the moving hidden shock zone. Even where the idea of adding the cellular level intelligence does not work out it will be worth the effort. At least know that it doesn't, which is better than not not knowing either way. Code debugging doesn't constitute failure in the sense I was using.  I have a feeling that if you could write out a sensible overview of what you would expect your program to do, a competent programmer could have it done in no more than half the time it takes you, and of course in a more efficient language and manner.  You have something that would be very impressive for an eighth-grade science fair, other than the fact that it's all wrong. -------------- Evolution is not about laws but about randomness on happanchance.--Robert Byers, at PT

GaryGaulin Posts: 5385 Joined: Oct. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: July 17 2015,19:40    The Pluto mission is getting exciting: http://space.io9.com/this-is....7476117 This week PBS aired:     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....RYpjP-8 -------------- The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.

Texas Teach Posts: 2084 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 17 2015,19:57    Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 17 2015,19:40) The Pluto mission is getting exciting: http://space.io9.com/this-is....7476117 This week PBS aired:     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....RYpjP-8 Let me guess: your "theory" predicted Pluto. -------------- "Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr "I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

N.Wells Posts: 1836 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 17 2015,23:02    No, it's way too Goofy for that. ETA, better?:  No, all of its predictions were Goofy

ChemiCat Posts: 532 Joined: Nov. 2013 (Permalink) Posted: July 18 2015,10:22    Quote No, it's way too Goofy for that. Well, it is all Mickey Mouse science.

dazz Posts: 247 Joined: Mar. 2015 (Permalink) Posted: July 18 2015,18:24    Quote (ChemiCat @ July 18 2015,10:22) Quote No, it's way too Goofy for that. Well, it is all Mickey Mouse science. Mouses spend more time in a lab than all the IDiots combined

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 19 2015,14:38    Quote (dazz @ July 18 2015,16:24) Quote (ChemiCat @ July 18 2015,10:22) Quote No, it's way too Goofy for that. Well, it is all Mickey Mouse science. Mouses spend more time in a lab than all the IDiots combined (snagglepuss) Meeces! (/snagglepuss) -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 19 2015,16:35    But at least it doesn't involve wascally wabbits!

dazz Posts: 247 Joined: Mar. 2015 (Permalink) Posted: July 20 2015,04:38    Quote (fnxtr @ July 19 2015,14:38) Quote (dazz @ July 18 2015,16:24) Quote (ChemiCat @ July 18 2015,10:22)   Quote No, it's way too Goofy for that. Well, it is all Mickey Mouse science. Mouses spend more time in a lab than all the IDiots combined (snagglepuss) Meeces! (/snagglepuss) Ouch! not a native english speaker here, still embarrassing, hahaha

Trubble Posts: 20 Joined: May 2011 (Permalink) Posted: July 20 2015,11:05    Quote (snagglepuss) Meeces! (/snagglepuss) No, not Snagglepuss. Mr. Jinks Am I showing my age?

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 20 2015,20:52    Quote (Trubble @ July 20 2015,09:05) Quote (snagglepuss) Meeces! (/snagglepuss) No, not Snagglepuss. Mr. Jinks Am I showing my age? My bad. I got my cartoon pussies confused. eta: yeah, but do you remember the go-go gophers? That'd never get airtime these days... -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

GaryGaulin Posts: 5385 Joined: Oct. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: July 20 2015,23:14    I got it! The critter is now quickly learning to avoid the shock zone. And I did not need to complicate things by adding what would come from cellular intelligence. By the time I was thinking like a neuron I already knew what timing changes were needed. That led to avoid locations half of the time propagating waves like other locations normally do, which seems to have eliminated the problem of its mind going blank when the attractor is surrounded by avoids. After getting the propagation more or less figured out I was down to the expected shocks from it not seeing ahead in time, but that went away after doing what I did in an earlier ID Lab model (one for hippocampi) by including time frames that come next in sequence. I'm doing the same thing again. This time through the time dependent memory goes to the Navigation Network memory that in turn provides the necessary connections to the Intelligence Algorithm code module that adds what is needed to make the entire system come to life. I now only have to clean up the code, again. But this time it's mostly removal of experimental code that is no longer needed. After that I'll have what I need to make videos from. I already made a few short ones using the program. It did not seem worthwhile to show one that was not right yet, now suddenly that has changed. It feels good to be successfully past the hard part that has me trying one thing after another that usually does not work any better but none the less need to know what will happen so none are a "failure" they are just a part of what (like a long voyage to Pluto) slowly but surly gets us where we want to go in science..... -------------- The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.

dazz Posts: 247 Joined: Mar. 2015 (Permalink) Posted: July 21 2015,02:57    OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! I beat you to it Gaulin!, Suck it up!

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 21 2015,05:45    Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 21 2015,07:14) I got it! The critter is now quickly learning to avoid the shock zone. And I did not need to complicate things by adding what would come from cellular intelligence. By the time I was thinking like a neuron I already knew what timing changes were needed. That led to avoid locations half of the time propagating waves like other locations normally do, which seems to have eliminated the problem of its mind going blank when the attractor is surrounded by avoids. After getting the propagation more or less figured out I was down to the expected shocks from it not seeing ahead in time, but that went away after doing what I did in an earlier ID Lab model (one for hippocampi) by including time frames that come next in sequence. I'm doing the same thing again. This time through the time dependent memory goes to the Navigation Network memory that in turn provides the necessary connections to the Intelligence Algorithm code module that adds what is needed to make the entire system come to life. I now only have to clean up the code, again. But this time it's mostly removal of experimental code that is no longer needed. After that I'll have what I need to make videos from. I already made a few short ones using the program. It did not seem worthwhile to show one that was not right yet, now suddenly that has changed. It feels good to be successfully past the hard part that has me trying one thing after another that usually does not work any better but none the less need to know what will happen so none are a "failure" they are just a part of what (like a long voyage to Pluto) slowly but surly gets us where we want to go in science..... Forget it Gary it'll never pay for your dentist -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 21 2015,10:55    Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 20 2015,21:14) By the time I was thinking like a neuron... I don't have anything to add. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

NoName Posts: 2729 Joined: Mar. 2013 (Permalink) Posted: July 21 2015,11:08    Quote (JohnW @ July 21 2015,11:55) Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 20 2015,21:14) By the time I was thinking like a neuron... I don't have anything to add. Sadly, despite the mass of verbiage he spews, neither does Gary.

ChemiCat Posts: 532 Joined: Nov. 2013 (Permalink) Posted: July 21 2015,13:06    Quote ......I was thinking like a neuron..... Gaulin, I think you mean "I was thinking with my only neuron".

dazz Posts: 247 Joined: Mar. 2015 (Permalink) Posted: July 21 2015,14:10    Here's GG's only neuron's precise location, in case anyone's curious:

GaryGaulin Posts: 5385 Joined: Oct. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: July 22 2015,16:44    Quote (Texas Teach @ July 17 2015,19:57) Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 17 2015,19:40) The Pluto mission is getting exciting: http://space.io9.com/this-is....7476117 This week PBS aired:     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....RYpjP-8 Let me guess: your "theory" predicted Pluto. And even though it was a dumbo question: The excitement is from finally having a good look at what our planet was formed from too. Apparently there were giant mountains of frozen cow farts all set to fertilize all the organic chemistry expected to happen after being slowly thawed by a warm Sun. I'm now in search of the latest chemistry data from New Horizons. Do you have that handy? -------------- The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 22 2015,17:06    Quote (dazz @ July 20 2015,05:38) Quote (fnxtr @ July 19 2015,14:38) Quote (dazz @ July 18 2015,16:24)   Quote (ChemiCat @ July 18 2015,10:22)   Quote No, it's way too Goofy for that. Well, it is all Mickey Mouse science. Mouses spend more time in a lab than all the IDiots combined (snagglepuss) Meeces! (/snagglepuss) Ouch! not a native english speaker here, still embarrassing, hahaha Don't be embarrassed. Gary, for instance, somehow has no native language.

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 22 2015,17:59    Quote (stevestory @ July 22 2015,15:06) Quote (dazz @ July 20 2015,05:38) Quote (fnxtr @ July 19 2015,14:38)   Quote (dazz @ July 18 2015,16:24)   Quote (ChemiCat @ July 18 2015,10:22)     Quote No, it's way too Goofy for that. Well, it is all Mickey Mouse science. Mouses spend more time in a lab than all the IDiots combined (snagglepuss) Meeces! (/snagglepuss) Ouch! not a native english speaker here, still embarrassing, hahaha Don't be embarrassed. Gary, for instance, somehow has no native language. Depends on one's definition.  Is "bollocks" a language?  People talk bollocks all the time. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

GaryGaulin Posts: 5385 Joined: Oct. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: July 23 2015,05:35    New preliminary! https://sites.google.com/site....ary.zip Press Turbo then put the Chart on screen to see how fast the critter learns to avoid the hidden moving shock zone. -------------- The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.

NoName Posts: 2729 Joined: Mar. 2013 (Permalink) Posted: July 23 2015,06:38    Our very own cheap knock-off of Donald Trump proudly posts the latest results of his wasted efforts at coding up his fantasy. One wonders -- is his hair as bad as Trump's?

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