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carlsonjok



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2010,07:09   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Feb. 21 2010,07:02)
Quote (Daevans @ Feb. 21 2010,07:00)
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Feb. 21 2010,06:49)
 
Quote (Daevans @ Feb. 21 2010,03:07)
 I don't believe evolution is a complete picture or that everything about evolutionary theory has been satisfactorily explained.

And no reputable scientist would assert that.

So it's a strawman.

Good luck with med school.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/26858.php

"And no reputable scientist would assert that."

p

That's odd.

I didn't find any statement in that link about evolutionary theory being complete.

How surprising.

Aww, come on guys!  You're not even trying here. Daevans skips step 3 and charges into 4. Then Albie skips 5 and rushes into 6.



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Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2010,07:12   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Feb. 21 2010,07:09)
Aww, come on guys!  You're not even trying here. Daevans skips step 3 and charges into 4. Then Albie skips 5 and rushes into 6.

Well, you shouldn't have posted that timeline. It just gives people bad ideas.

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olegt



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2010,07:17   

Looks like a new chewing toy has arrived.

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Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2010,07:18   

Quote (olegt @ Feb. 21 2010,07:17)
Looks like a new chewing toy has arrived.

And already departed.

So I'm skipping to step 7!



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BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2010,07:52   

Quote (olegt @ Feb. 21 2010,05:17)
Looks like a new chewing toy has arrived.

I'm gonna have to go with an old chew toy has returned looking half a century younger and at the beginning of a long series of let-downs rather than the end of one.

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JLT



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2010,08:11   

Quote (Daevans @ Feb. 21 2010,11:08)
Also your all forgetting about "Professor John A. Davison's work", he is definitely not in either "camps". furthermore the unlikelihood that Darwinian evolution can explain the appearance of the formation of NEW information in the cell.
 We need a more scientifically fulfilling mechanism, one that takes in account advances in paleontology, genome analysis, genetics and embryology. The present model simply doesn't meet that standard however a "preexisting genomic mechanism" could.

So, you're a med student. Then you might've heard about something called antibodies. Our immune system can produce antibodies against almost everything that invades the body although our genome doesn't code for every possible antibody. Instead, during the maturation of B cells (the antibody producing cells) in each B cell precursor the antibody-coding gene is randomly assembled from some gene segments. There're about 10000 possible combinations, plus variations in the binding regions between segments.
Whichever B cell binds however weakly to a specific invader (= an antigen) gets a signal through that binding to start proliferating. The progeny inherits of course the newly assembled antibody gene but in addition a gene that's also activated in the proliferating B cell introduces random mutations in the antibody gene so that each progeny cell gets a slightly modified version. This new version can bind better or worse to the antigen than the original version. The better the binding the stronger the survival signal for the daughter cell - so, if the binding is more efficient in one cell than the other, the cell with the better antibody will produce more offspring than the other. With each proliferation cycle this step is repeated until in the end only B cells survive* that produce high-affinity antibodies against the antigen.

At which point did the intelligent antibody designer inject the information about how to produce high-affinity antibodies against this antigen? Since this information isn't contained in the genome it must be new information that according to you can't come about by mutation and selection. So, where did it come from in your opinion?


* Or more specific, B cells with high-affinity antibodies outcompete the rest.

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Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2010,08:17   

Just to make it clear, what I had in mind was Paul Nelson.

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Steverino



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2010,08:33   

Daevans,

I hope you have an ample supply of KY handy

(Oh boy!...this is goona be great!...sitting back with a large popcorn....)

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2010,10:40   

DAEvans:

 
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You act like it's a conspiracy against the Darwin faction and that isn't the case.


Two words: cdesign proponentsists.

ETA: corrected spelling.

Edited by Wesley R. Elsberry on Feb. 23 2010,13:54

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Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2010,11:17   

Quote (Steverino @ Feb. 21 2010,08:33)
(Oh boy!...this is goona be great!...sitting back with a large popcorn....)

I think this is another hit-n-run troll from Dr Dr D's spring class barrel o' monkeys.

Dale got the 10 post minimum, but I don't think he made it to the required 3000 words. So perhaps he'll be back.

Just in case Dr. Dr. D. ever checks the URLs that his monkeys turn in, perhaps he can answer a question I've had ever since I first clapped eyes on one of his syllabi.

Is that epigram at the top ("What you believe to be true will control you whether it’s true or not.") supposed to be deep, ironic, or WTF?

thanks

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2010,11:38   

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Dale got the 10 post minimum, but I don't think he made it to the required 3000 words. So perhaps he'll be back.


Based on the honesty and integrity traditions established by the actions of Paul Nelson, WAD and "Dr." Kent Hovind, I'm guessing that our Newest Christian Clown will be counting what we typed as part of "his" 3,000 words.

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Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2010,12:01   

As soon as I read something as moronic as this

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unlikelihood that Darwinian evolution can explain the appearance of the formation of NEW information in the cell.


I jump directly to stage 6.

  
Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2010,12:22   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Feb. 21 2010,04:27)
Quote (Daevans @ Feb. 21 2010,05:46)
Did I mention God? Could you please point that out to me I think I missed it?

You have to understand that there is a pattern, or trajectory, to the life of an anti-evolutionist here at this site. It goes something like this:

Step 1. Hi!  I am just trying to understand evolution!  Can you help me?

......

I nominate this for a double post of the moment award with clusters!!!11!!eleven

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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2010,12:25   

AtBC posse: "King to bishop six, check."

Cryptocreo: (flaps wings, craps on K4, flies away to collect Dembski-credits)

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Steverino



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2010,14:16   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Feb. 21 2010,11:17)
Quote (Steverino @ Feb. 21 2010,08:33)
(Oh boy!...this is goona be great!...sitting back with a large popcorn....)

I think this is another hit-n-run troll from Dr Dr D's spring class barrel o' monkeys.

Dale got the 10 post minimum, but I don't think he made it to the required 3000 words. So perhaps he'll be back.

Just in case Dr. Dr. D. ever checks the URLs that his monkeys turn in, perhaps he can answer a question I've had ever since I first clapped eyes on one of his syllabi.

Is that epigram at the top ("What you believe to be true will control you whether it’s true or not.") supposed to be deep, ironic, or WTF?

thanks

Darn!....It's been a while since I have seen you guys disembowel a CreoTard or IDiot.

It's like driving by a really nasty car crash...you know you shouldn't look....but, you just can't help yourself.

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Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2010,14:28   

These creatobots seem to be leaving very quickly.

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Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2010,14:38   

Seriously, could I get points towards a ThD by dropping into a science discussion group, type "Jon Davison" and bugger off?

Sorry, Professor Jon Davison.

I've always wanted to be Rev Bill.  Or maybe just The Rev.  I could marry people in bars and that would be cool.  "I now pronounce you trouble and strife."  

Has a nice ring to it, don't you think?

  
Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2010,15:04   

Quote (Daevans @ Feb. 21 2010,05:00)
 
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Feb. 21 2010,06:49)
   
Quote (Daevans @ Feb. 21 2010,03:07)
 I don't believe evolution is a complete picture or that everything about evolutionary theory has been satisfactorily explained.

And no reputable scientist would assert that.

So it's a strawman.

Good luck with med school.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/26858.php

"And no reputable scientist would assert that."

p

You are a malpractice lawyer's wet-dream. How can your ability to read be so pathetic that you really think that the linked news item from 2005 asserted that "everything about evolutionary theory has been satisfactorily explained?"

Read this from the news item: (Sound out the words if needed)
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Batzer explained that the exact purpose or function of these elements is still debated, but understanding their basic behavior and history could be crucial to finding answers in the future.


Now compare with, "everything about evolutionary theory has been satisfactorily explained." I am worried for your future patients.

Edited by Dr.GH on Feb. 21 2010,13:05

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ERV



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2010,21:09   

Quote (Daevans @ Feb. 21 2010,03:07)
 I don't believe evolution is a complete picture or that everything about evolutionary theory has been satisfactorily explained. I would even say from what we know the Genome might hold some of those answers.

Like What?

Feel free to Be as Technical as you like, 'medical Student'.

Do you think Alu elements are Evidences for Creation?

Are you a moron?

  
fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2010,21:19   

Ooo, ERV's here.

This should be good.  

As in Olympic women's hockey, Canada vs. Slovakia 'good'.

(fnxtr butters popcorn, sits back to watch)

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ERV



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2010,21:31   

I felt a disturbance in The Force... as if a million mobile elements cried out in horror...

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2010,21:36   

fuck carlson that is spectacular.

and you broke it already.

mebbe

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2010,22:19   

dembski's class comes here? Where's the dembski wall of shame thread?

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2010,04:00   

Quote (ERV @ Feb. 22 2010,02:09)
Quote (Daevans @ Feb. 21 2010,03:07)
 I don't believe evolution is a complete picture or that everything about evolutionary theory has been satisfactorily explained. I would even say from what we know the Genome might hold some of those answers.

Like What?

Feel free to Be as Technical as you like, 'medical Student'.

Do you think Alu elements are Evidences for Creation?

Are you a moron?

LOL "Be as technical as you like". Tee hee hee. Oh I'll take £100 on no technical ability beyond "cut and paste" or maybe "slight reword of cut and paste".

Ah, my cynicism, it's acting up again. Maybe this new chum really is the one with the oft touted-never seen "Fallacy Free Creationist Argument". After all, asking about increasing genomic information is really rare. I've never heard that one before. No, really. I'll also bet that a consistent definition of "information" from our new chum will take some time to come forth. I'll bet that even when it does emerge the standard equivocation with woolly terms like "meaning" accompany it.

I am also tickled pink by the sanctimonious instruction that a theory of such import needs examining because otherwise accepting it with all its faults and inexactitude is irresponsible. Wow. This is such a novel concept. I'll run off and tell all my colleagues about it immediately. No other scientist I've ever talked to has ever thought of examining current theories with a sceptical eye and some intellectual rigour. This will revolutionise the world! I predict we scientists will get right on this.

Louis

ETA Because this cannot be used enough:



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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2010,07:18   

ahhhh, now it makes sense to me.

ashamed of his 5000th post, Louis has created a sock with which to troll the ATBC board.

should be fun!  at least his sock has TWO eyebrows!

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Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2010,07:48   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Feb. 22 2010,08:18)
ahhhh, now it makes sense to me.

ashamed of his 5000th post, Louis has created a sock with which to troll the ATBC board.

should be fun!  at least his sock has TWO eyebrows!

I have to agree on sock - his avatar is one of the captains of the TARDis.

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2010,07:58   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Feb. 22 2010,12:18)
ahhhh, now it makes sense to me.

ashamed of his 5000th post, Louis has created a sock with which to troll the ATBC board.

should be fun!  at least his sock has TWO eyebrows!

Sock? I don't have a) that much time or b) the inclination. I can make crappy arguments under my own name thanks!

Louis

ETA P.S. Also, "Evans" is a Welsh surname. No. Just no. I'd at least pretend to be American if I was going to bother. Spelling things wrong would amuse me for starters.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2010,09:54   

Quote (Louis @ Feb. 22 2010,07:58)
Spelling things wrong would amuse me for starters.

Like this?

Spelling things wroung would amouse me for starters.

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2010,11:36   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Feb. 22 2010,14:54)
Quote (Louis @ Feb. 22 2010,07:58)
Spelling things wrong would amuse me for starters.

Like this?

Spelling things wroung would amouse me for starters.

Ouh absouloutely.

Lououis

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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2010,11:41   

My money's on "DNA is like computer code".

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