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jeffox Posts: 671 Joined: Oct. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 24 2015,11:56    Or will he pick Sal Cordova for his running mate?   Run, Hootster, run!

GaryGaulin Posts: 5385 Joined: Oct. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: July 25 2015,12:51    Quote (k.e.. @ July 21 2015,05:45) Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 21 2015,07:14) I got it! The critter is now quickly learning to avoid the shock zone. And I did not need to complicate things by adding what would come from cellular intelligence. By the time I was thinking like a neuron I already knew what timing changes were needed. That led to avoid locations half of the time propagating waves like other locations normally do, which seems to have eliminated the problem of its mind going blank when the attractor is surrounded by avoids. After getting the propagation more or less figured out I was down to the expected shocks from it not seeing ahead in time, but that went away after doing what I did in an earlier ID Lab model (one for hippocampi) by including time frames that come next in sequence. I'm doing the same thing again. This time through the time dependent memory goes to the Navigation Network memory that in turn provides the necessary connections to the Intelligence Algorithm code module that adds what is needed to make the entire system come to life. I now only have to clean up the code, again. But this time it's mostly removal of experimental code that is no longer needed. After that I'll have what I need to make videos from. I already made a few short ones using the program. It did not seem worthwhile to show one that was not right yet, now suddenly that has changed. It feels good to be successfully past the hard part that has me trying one thing after another that usually does not work any better but none the less need to know what will happen so none are a "failure" they are just a part of what (like a long voyage to Pluto) slowly but surly gets us where we want to go in science..... Forget it Gary it'll never pay for your dentist Yes I know. Science funding and serious academic help is only available to those who are somehow involved in killing me off. -------------- The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 25 2015,12:59    we're all gonna wish we were nicer, when gary goes all James Houser on us.

NoName Posts: 2729 Joined: Mar. 2013 (Permalink) Posted: July 25 2015,13:01    Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 25 2015,13:51) Quote (k.e.. @ July 21 2015,05:45) Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 21 2015,07:14) I got it! The critter is now quickly learning to avoid the shock zone. And I did not need to complicate things by adding what would come from cellular intelligence. By the time I was thinking like a neuron I already knew what timing changes were needed. That led to avoid locations half of the time propagating waves like other locations normally do, which seems to have eliminated the problem of its mind going blank when the attractor is surrounded by avoids. After getting the propagation more or less figured out I was down to the expected shocks from it not seeing ahead in time, but that went away after doing what I did in an earlier ID Lab model (one for hippocampi) by including time frames that come next in sequence. I'm doing the same thing again. This time through the time dependent memory goes to the Navigation Network memory that in turn provides the necessary connections to the Intelligence Algorithm code module that adds what is needed to make the entire system come to life. I now only have to clean up the code, again. But this time it's mostly removal of experimental code that is no longer needed. After that I'll have what I need to make videos from. I already made a few short ones using the program. It did not seem worthwhile to show one that was not right yet, now suddenly that has changed. It feels good to be successfully past the hard part that has me trying one thing after another that usually does not work any better but none the less need to know what will happen so none are a "failure" they are just a part of what (like a long voyage to Pluto) slowly but surly gets us where we want to go in science..... Forget it Gary it'll never pay for your dentist Yes I know. Science funding and serious academic help is only available to those who are somehow involved in killing me off. You've been offered serious academic help, you lunatic.  You've ignored every single bit of it that's been offered. The only thing killing you is life, same as it's doing for all of us.  Get over yourself.  Nobody cares enough about your effluent or your petulant rages to bother suppressing you. You barely rise to the level of insignificant.

GaryGaulin Posts: 5385 Joined: Oct. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: July 25 2015,13:56    Quote (stevestory @ July 25 2015,12:59) we're all gonna wish we were nicer, when gary goes all James Houser on us. You should have said: "when the rest of the general public is forced to give up on us." Our state university is having its budget axed real good by our state governor. I'm now just an example that encourages other states to do the same. It's certainly not my fault this happened. -------------- The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.

N.Wells Posts: 1836 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 25 2015,15:08    Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 25 2015,13:56) Quote (stevestory @ July 25 2015,12:59) we're all gonna wish we were nicer, when gary goes all James Houser on us. You should have said: "when the rest of the general public is forced to give up on us." Our state university is having its budget axed real good by our state governor. I'm now just an example that encourages other states to do the same. It's certainly not my fault this happened. We have a lot of voters and politicians who are unfortunately short-sighted about the values of science and public higher education, and you are right that you are not at fault for this.  On the other hand, you are not an example that encourages or justifies cuts in funding for science or education. You are simply doing useless nonsense that you are trying to palm off as valuable and valid.  Until you start providing support for your assertions, providing operational definitions, testing your ideas, etc., etc., etc., you are not going to be able to make any contributions to knowledge.   Just how bad is your stuff when you haven't won over even a single convert anywhere?  Even flat earthers and young earth creationists (who set a useful modern standard for disconnection from evidence) have garnered a handful of supporters.  The best you've got is some throw-away encouragement for complex-looking program output by a few people who did not engage with your ideas or say anything substantive, but said stuff like 'looks good, will look at it when I have time'.

Woodbine Posts: 1218 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 25 2015,15:12    Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 25 2015,19:56) Our state university is having its budget axed real good by our state governor. I'm now just an example that encourages other states to do the same. What are you an example of, Gary?

GaryGaulin Posts: 5385 Joined: Oct. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: July 25 2015,16:37    Quote (Woodbine @ July 25 2015,15:12) Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 25 2015,19:56) Our state university is having its budget axed real good by our state governor. I'm now just an example that encourages other states to do the same. What are you an example of, Gary? The example being set is not controlled by me. I'm just enduring what the trillion dollar education system my wife and I personally pay thousands of dollars a year for in taxes (others much more) get in return for our investment in an academic system that's supposed to be there when we need them. Going to one of the academic websites like Panda's Thumb ends up linking to this forum where we find what looks more like a frat house that needs to be shut down before the public hazings end up in the evening news. That is in part caused by a forum like this not being an academic center of activity, that's for sure. It's not the forum's fault that greater academia is not more involved in PT and this thread but that's what we have here. And needing for everything academically important to be said through a science journal is just another way for academics to conveniently ignore scientific issues that academia is itself supposed to be responsible for keeping up with and participating in. -------------- The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 25 2015,17:16    Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 25 2015,17:37) I'm just enduring what the trillion dollar education system my wife and I personally pay thousands of dollars a year for in taxes FYI, 2% of the federal budget goes to education, and about 2% goes to science funding, so no, you're not paying thousands of monies a year to that, unless you are paying millions a year in taxes, which you aren't, because you're an undiagnosed mentally ill person, and not a multimillionaire.

Woodbine Posts: 1218 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 25 2015,17:45    Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 25 2015,22:37) I'm just enduring what the trillion dollar education system my wife and I personally pay thousands of dollars a year for in taxes (others much more) get in return for our investment in an academic system that's supposed to be there when we need them. The 'academic system' isn't an emergency service, Gary. Please remind us what it is you want from academia, and how you have tried to get it.

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 25 2015,17:49    Quote (Woodbine @ July 25 2015,15:45) Please remind us what it is you want from academia, Fame without earning it. Quote and how you have tried to get it. The Diagram. -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

GaryGaulin Posts: 5385 Joined: Oct. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: July 25 2015,18:55    Quote (stevestory @ July 25 2015,17:16) Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 25 2015,17:37) I'm just enduring what the trillion dollar education system my wife and I personally pay thousands of dollars a year for in taxes FYI, 2% of the federal budget goes to education, and about 2% goes to science funding, so no, you're not paying thousands of monies a year to that, unless you are paying millions a year in taxes, which you aren't, because you're an undiagnosed mentally ill person, and not a multimillionaire. Local and state taxes fund almost all of education which is why I mentioned that our state college budget is being axed by our state governor (who like it or not legally controls that). Changing the subject to cherry picked Federal stats is a red herring. This is something the Fed cannot even control. -------------- The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.

GaryGaulin Posts: 5385 Joined: Oct. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: July 25 2015,19:09    Or to be more precise: Local and state taxes fund almost all of education which is why I mentioned that our state university budget is being axed by our state governor (who like it or not legally controls that). -------------- The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.

NoName Posts: 2729 Joined: Mar. 2013 (Permalink) Posted: July 25 2015,19:18    And Gary proceeds to demonstrate the awesome mastery of logic that leaves his "theory" a disconnected mass of unformed and incoherent gibberish. Res ipsa loquitur Same as it ever was.

GaryGaulin Posts: 5385 Joined: Oct. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: July 25 2015,20:25    Quote (Woodbine @ July 25 2015,17:45) Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 25 2015,22:37) I'm just enduring what the trillion dollar education system my wife and I personally pay thousands of dollars a year for in taxes (others much more) get in return for our investment in an academic system that's supposed to be there when we need them. The 'academic system' isn't an emergency service, Gary. Please remind us what it is you want from academia, and how you have tried to get it. I'm not in need of rescue by the "academic system" in fact I had a number of noteworthy academics at the tracksite in the past several weeks. In some ways things are going fine while in others the politics of the system are an epic science stopper that is fueled by those who believe science only comes from academia therefore all money and resources must be thrown at it alone. I am entitled to absolutely nothing, and the no ID allowed warnings that even the Templeton Foundation uses makes it obvious that some parts of the greater "academic system" have a public policy that will not even allow their people to look at work like mine. At this point in time I have to get what I need by putting that kind of academic public policy to shame. -------------- The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.

Glen Davidson Posts: 1100 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 25 2015,20:32    Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 25 2015,20:25) Quote (Woodbine @ July 25 2015,17:45) Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 25 2015,22:37) I'm just enduring what the trillion dollar education system my wife and I personally pay thousands of dollars a year for in taxes (others much more) get in return for our investment in an academic system that's supposed to be there when we need them. The 'academic system' isn't an emergency service, Gary. Please remind us what it is you want from academia, and how you have tried to get it. I'm not in need of rescue by the "academic system" in fact I had a number of noteworthy academics at the tracksite in the past several weeks. In some ways things are going fine while in others the politics of the system are an epic science stopper that is fueled by those who believe science only comes from academia therefore all money and resources must be thrown at it alone. I am entitled to absolutely nothing, and the no ID allowed warnings that even the Templeton Foundation uses makes it obvious that some parts of the greater "academic system" have a public policy that will not even allow their people to look at work like mine. At this point in time I have to get what I need by putting that kind of academic public policy to shame. Oooooh, that's too bad. Glen Davidson -------------- http://tinyurl.com/mxaa3p....p Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of coincidence---ID philosophy

GaryGaulin Posts: 5385 Joined: Oct. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: July 25 2015,20:56    Quote (Glen Davidson @ July 25 2015,20:32) Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 25 2015,20:25) Quote (Woodbine @ July 25 2015,17:45)   Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 25 2015,22:37) I'm just enduring what the trillion dollar education system my wife and I personally pay thousands of dollars a year for in taxes (others much more) get in return for our investment in an academic system that's supposed to be there when we need them. The 'academic system' isn't an emergency service, Gary. Please remind us what it is you want from academia, and how you have tried to get it. I'm not in need of rescue by the "academic system" in fact I had a number of noteworthy academics at the tracksite in the past several weeks. In some ways things are going fine while in others the politics of the system are an epic science stopper that is fueled by those who believe science only comes from academia therefore all money and resources must be thrown at it alone. I am entitled to absolutely nothing, and the no ID allowed warnings that even the Templeton Foundation uses makes it obvious that some parts of the greater "academic system" have a public policy that will not even allow their people to look at work like mine. At this point in time I have to get what I need by putting that kind of academic public policy to shame. Oooooh, that's too bad. Glen Davidson It is too bad that the only thing I have to show is evidence that the academic system at-large is not at all the fair and open system the general public was led to believe it is. Needing to speak through science journals that are designed for academic labs to report lab results in is a very serious barrier that can only be torn down by someone of academic authority saying hi in this thread and agreeing that many here are just wankers yanking my chain. -------------- The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.

Glen Davidson Posts: 1100 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 25 2015,21:11    Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 25 2015,20:56) Quote (Glen Davidson @ July 25 2015,20:32)   Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 25 2015,20:25)   Quote (Woodbine @ July 25 2015,17:45)     Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 25 2015,22:37) I'm just enduring what the trillion dollar education system my wife and I personally pay thousands of dollars a year for in taxes (others much more) get in return for our investment in an academic system that's supposed to be there when we need them. The 'academic system' isn't an emergency service, Gary. Please remind us what it is you want from academia, and how you have tried to get it. I'm not in need of rescue by the "academic system" in fact I had a number of noteworthy academics at the tracksite in the past several weeks. In some ways things are going fine while in others the politics of the system are an epic science stopper that is fueled by those who believe science only comes from academia therefore all money and resources must be thrown at it alone. I am entitled to absolutely nothing, and the no ID allowed warnings that even the Templeton Foundation uses makes it obvious that some parts of the greater "academic system" have a public policy that will not even allow their people to look at work like mine. At this point in time I have to get what I need by putting that kind of academic public policy to shame. Oooooh, that's too bad. Glen Davidson It is too bad that the only thing I have to show is evidence that the academic system at-large is not at all the fair and open system the general public was led to believe it is. Needing to speak through science journals that are designed for academic labs to report lab results in is a very serious barrier that can only be torn down by someone of academic authority saying hi in this thread and agreeing that many here are just wankers yanking my chain. It's pathetic not to have any meaningful results, isn't it? Whatever problem academia has is not going to be highlighted by anything that begins with the wishful thinking of a well-known pseudoscience. Glen Davidson -------------- http://tinyurl.com/mxaa3p....p Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of coincidence---ID philosophy

N.Wells Posts: 1836 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 25 2015,21:21    Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 25 2015,16:37)     Quote (Woodbine @ July 25 2015,15:12)     Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 25 2015,19:56) Our state university is having its budget axed real good by our state governor. I'm now just an example that encourages other states to do the same. What are you an example of, Gary? The example being set is not controlled by me. I'm just enduring what the trillion dollar education system my wife and I personally pay thousands of dollars a year for in taxes (others much more) get in return for our investment in an academic system that's supposed to be there when we need them. Going to one of the academic websites like Panda's Thumb ends up linking to this forum where we find what looks more like a frat house that needs to be shut down before the public hazings end up in the evening news. That is in part caused by a forum like this not being an academic center of activity, that's for sure. It's not the forum's fault that greater academia is not more involved in PT and this thread but that's what we have here. And needing for everything academically important to be said through a science journal is just another way for academics to conveniently ignore scientific issues that academia is itself supposed to be responsible for keeping up with and participating in.   Quote and the no ID allowed warnings that even the Templeton Foundation uses makes it obvious that some parts of the greater "academic system" have a public policy that will not even allow their people to look at work like mine. No one anywhere in legitimate scientific research is prohibited from looking at your rubbish.  On the other hand, nothing that you have done indicates that anyone needs to pay attention to it, and much much of what you have done demonstrates convincingly that it is best ignored. You can get your ideas into science via conferences as well as publications (books and papers).  You are welcome to explore more esoteric routes such as internet stuff.  For instance there's a huge amount of scientifically valuable statistics stuff on the internet, plus all kinds of data archives, short courses, lectures, and immensely useful tools such as image analysis software, converters for carbon-14 dates, and keys to fossils, organisms, minerals, java applets that demonstrate complex ideas, and so on.   However, what all of that stuff has that yours doesn't is demonstrated value.  Beyond that, there's all kinds of crap of no worth at all, or even negative worth.  That's where yours fits.  The job of science is to ignore that stuff or counter it.  Where you see academic snobbery, everyone else sees you failing to reach minimum standards for serious consideration.     Quote those who believe science only comes from academia therefore all money and resources must be thrown at it alone. I don't know anyone who fits that description, so I think you are being delusional. There always has been and still is a role for amateurs in science (e.g., Charles Darwin!).  More to the point, Mike Taylor, Andrea Cau, Ray Stanford, John Catalani, Mickey Mortimer, Richard & Mary Leakey (sort of).   An instructive example (especially for you) of both the promises and pitfalls of amateur participation in science and doing it wrong is Dave Peters, who did some truly wonderful children's books on dinosaurs ( http://babbletrish.blogspot.com/2011.......ks.html ) and was developing a good reputation for some specialized research on pterosaurs, but then went overboard on a bizarre and unsupportable "technique" for examining fossils.  He developed a habit of making bizarre and unsupported assertions (hmm, sounds like someone we know), which caused him to fall into disregard by serious researchers. Check out his https://pterosaurheresies.wordpress.com/....ess....ess.com  and reptileevolution.com which superficially look quite impressive, but to read why he no longer has any influence in academia, see http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/tetrapo....ion-com http://paleoking.blogspot.com/2011.......rs.html http://bigcat.fhsu.edu/biology....cle.pdf http://archosaurian.deviantart.com/journal....2557657 http://theropoddatabase.blogspot.com/2012....ks.html

GaryGaulin Posts: 5385 Joined: Oct. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: July 26 2015,01:35    Quote (Glen Davidson @ July 25 2015,21:11) It's pathetic not to have any meaningful results, isn't it? Whatever problem academia has is not going to be highlighted by anything that begins with the wishful thinking of a well-known pseudoscience. Hey Glen, FYI, I am currently preparing the ID Lab to make YouTube videos from. More specifically labeling the performance chart that will appear when in turbo mode. There is no doubt that the results from the latest ID Lab are scientifically interesting, especially from the standpoint of understanding the deepest secrets of how our brain and its imagination works. I seriously am going where computer related science has never gone before, using a framework that starts with the premise of the theory of intelligent design on into scientific detail that sorts out the various levels of intelligence in a way that helps Sal get where none have gone before in the earlier mentioned genetic RAM circuitry they were describing. Examples like that help show why the old "ID is not science" mantra does not work anymore. It's something those concerned in greater academia might like to at least get a memo on so they're not blindsided by what's already on the way. Labeling of my work as pseudoscience is largely from academic snobbery and without thinking about it boringly repeating statements from long ago that are no longer true, in response to theory that covers intelligent cause and such. It's now far more scientifically interesting to make that a thing of the past and gone, so goodbye to your scientifically boring world-view with the mind of a parrot in it. -------------- The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 26 2015,01:42    Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 26 2015,09:35) Quote (Glen Davidson @ July 25 2015,21:11) It's pathetic not to have any meaningful results, isn't it? Whatever problem academia has is not going to be highlighted by anything that begins with the wishful thinking of a well-known pseudoscience. Hey Glen, FYI, I am currently preparing the ID Lab to make YouTube videos from. More specifically labeling the performance chart that will appear when in turbo mode. There is no doubt that the results from the latest ID Lab are scientifically interesting, especially from the standpoint of understanding the deepest secrets of how our brain and its imagination works. I seriously am going where computer related science has never gone before, using a framework that starts with the premise of the theory of intelligent design on into scientific detail that sorts out the various levels of intelligence in a way that helps Sal get where none have gone before in the earlier mentioned genetic RAM circuitry they were describing. Examples like that help show why the old "ID is not science" mantra does not work anymore. It's something those concerned in greater academia might like to at least get a memo on so they're not blindsided by what's already on the way. Labeling of my work as pseudoscience is largely from academic snobbery and without thinking about it boringly repeating statements from long ago that are no longer true, in response to theory that covers intelligent cause and such. It's now far more scientifically interesting to make that a thing of the past and gone, so goodbye to your scientifically boring world-view with the mind of a parrot in it. Be sure to turn the comments section on your innertubes Gary. Are you handing out popcorn & parrot vouchers? -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Glen Davidson Posts: 1100 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 26 2015,04:16    Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 26 2015,01:35)   Quote (Glen Davidson @ July 25 2015,21:11) It's pathetic not to have any meaningful results, isn't it? Whatever problem academia has is not going to be highlighted by anything that begins with the wishful thinking of a well-known pseudoscience. Hey Glen, FYI, I am currently preparing the ID Lab to make YouTube videos from. More specifically labeling the performance chart that will appear when in turbo mode. There is no doubt that the results from the latest ID Lab are scientifically interesting, especially from the standpoint of understanding the deepest secrets of how our brain and its imagination works. I seriously am going where computer related science has never gone before, using a framework that starts with the premise of the theory of intelligent design on into scientific detail that sorts out the various levels of intelligence in a way that helps Sal get where none have gone before in the earlier mentioned genetic RAM circuitry they were describing. Examples like that help show why the old "ID is not science" mantra does not work anymore. It's something those concerned in greater academia might like to at least get a memo on so they're not blindsided by what's already on the way. Labeling of my work as pseudoscience is largely from academic snobbery and without thinking about it boringly repeating statements from long ago that are no longer true, in response to theory that covers intelligent cause and such. It's now far more scientifically interesting to make that a thing of the past and gone, so goodbye to your scientifically boring world-view with the mind of a parrot in it. Were you at all capable of modeling the mind of a parrot, that would be scientifically interesting. You're just modeling a model which in turn models nothing. Glen Davidson -------------- http://tinyurl.com/mxaa3p....p Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of coincidence---ID philosophy

N.Wells Posts: 1836 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 26 2015,09:22    Quote Labeling of my work as pseudoscience is largely from academic snobbery and without thinking about it boringly repeating statements from long ago that are no longer true, in response to theory that covers intelligent cause and such. It's now far more scientifically interesting to make that a thing of the past and gone Again with making claims that you do not support.  This, rather than academic snobbery, is why your stuff is dismissed as nonsense. I'm sure you find it comforting to dismiss criticism as academic snobbery, but the plain fact is that if you want to use your model as evidence for something, then you need to demonstrate that it indeed supports those assertions, and you also need to stop making other assertions that do not derive from it. No one else follows your logic and your reasoning, assuming that any exist.  You are going to have to document it all (spell out your definitions and the supporting evidence and demonstrate its implications, and do some logically valid hypothesis testing) if you want to attract positive attention to your ideas.

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 26 2015,18:33    Quote (N.Wells @ July 26 2015,17:22) Quote Labeling of my work as pseudoscience is largely from academic snobbery and without thinking about it boringly repeating statements from long ago that are no longer true, in response to theory that covers intelligent cause and such. It's now far more scientifically interesting to make that a thing of the past and gone Again with making claims that you do not support.  This, rather than academic snobbery, is why your stuff is dismissed as nonsense. I'm sure you find it comforting to dismiss criticism as academic snobbery, but the plain fact is that if you want to use your model as evidence for something, then you need to demonstrate that it indeed supports those assertions, and you also need to stop making other assertions that do not derive from it. No one else follows your logic and your reasoning, assuming that any exist.  You are going to have to document it all (spell out your definitions and the supporting evidence and demonstrate its implications, and do some logically valid hypothesis testing) if you want to attract positive attention to your ideas. Plainly Gary is willfully incapable of such effort. He is playing Leggo and calling it science. When he posts to tellytube that will be obvious to the whole world. Shit he can't even get a letter of support for his drivel from Casey. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

GaryGaulin Posts: 5385 Joined: Oct. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: July 26 2015,21:38    I so far have: THEORY OF OPERATION – HOW IT WORKS The Intelligence Design Lab-5 has behavior that is guided by an internal (neural) representation of the external world in activity patterns that recreate physical properties at each place mapped into the network. Signal flow propagates outward from an attractor (food) location and around places to avoid (bump into or periodically shocked by) along the way. It's confidence in motor actions depend on the magnitude and direction it is actually traveling matching the magnitude and direction of the signal flow at the corresponding place in its internal representation. To establish a benchmark that assumes error free signals from parts of the brain that use dead reckoning to convert what is seen through its eyes into spatial coordinates in its external environment the program simply uses the already calculated X,Y positions that are used to place things in the virtual environment. In the real world our brain oppositely converts visual signals to the spatial X,Y locations, which a virtual environment has to instead start with. Where that were added to this model and working perfectly that's what you would get for coordinates. The best of both worlds provides ideal numbers to work from, which gives this an excellent sense of where visible things are located around itself even though in this Lab its eyes cannot see anything. To test place avoidance abilities a hidden moving shock zone slowly rotates counterclockwise, while the critter chases food in a clockwise direction, heading straight towards the hazard. Though the test is demanding the confidence system of this intelligence strives for perfection, as does a human athlete. The relatively high confidence levels essentially indicate that it's having fun. In a research paper the arena and some of the navigational network is based upon some live rats preferred to chase after the treats even though they are not hungry enough to need to eat, while others preferred to remain in the shock free center zone. Even a rat has to first be willing. For the virtual critter the several If-Then statements that compare actual travel magnitude and direction to that of the internal representation makes it want nothing else but to chase the food around its arena. Getting out of the way of an approaching shock zone requires a good temporal sense of what is expected to soon happen. This was added by alternating between maps of both current cue card angular time and the next time frame ahead. Either way the time dependent room related memory RoomAvoidBit(X, Y, Time) has to be given a time frame to recall, even where that is present time. Only difference is that more than one moment in time is recalled. It this way ahead of time knows when it's in the way of the shock zone and gets out of there pronto. After avoiding being surrounded by the approaching zone it has to have the common sense to go around to the safer zone behind and wait for the food to be in the clear, while knowing where the food is located even when it's surrounded by places to avoid that can (where signal timing pattern is not right) block its signal activity. When attract and avoid locations When working properly The combined When this happens It was found that to anxiously The signal timing that was found to work best closely follows Hebbian Theory where here neighboring cells that fire (or not) together, wire together a network with activity patterns that recreate the physical properties of what is in the external environment. It can also be conceptualized as a conservation of energy strategy where at each place in the network an incoming charge from neighbors is sent to uncharged neighbors in the opposite outgoing direction. It's surprising how something this simple can organize into a network that provides navigational intuition like we have. This helps explain why animals (insects are also animals) seem born with an ability that is there from the start. It's something that has been thought of as slowly developing over millions of years of time by blundering animals passing on slightly less blundering behavioral traits to offspring, but like here when it's actually the result of activity patterns in a network of cells that for the most part always had the ability to provide these internal representations it's something that was much more likely to have existed when multicellular animals first appeared. There are then no incredibly complex brain centers that slowly programmed or hardwired these navigational behaviors, it's instead a process that is best explained by the activity patterns of cellular networks. -------------- The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.

GaryGaulin Posts: 5385 Joined: Oct. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: July 26 2015,21:43    And this sentence is a thought forming: "When attract and avoid locations When working properly The combined When this happens It was found that to anxiously" -------------- The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.

Texas Teach Posts: 2084 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 26 2015,22:24    Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 26 2015,21:43) And this sentence is a thought forming: "When attract and avoid locations When working properly The combined When this happens It was found that to anxiously" By no definition is that a sentence. -------------- "Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr "I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

GaryGaulin Posts: 5385 Joined: Oct. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: July 26 2015,22:53    Quote (Texas Teach @ July 26 2015,22:24) Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 26 2015,21:43) And this sentence is a thought forming: "When attract and avoid locations When working properly The combined When this happens It was found that to anxiously" By no definition is that a sentence. Now it is: Quote Where the signals from attract and avoid locations combine: the wanting to go both towards and away from the food results in it becoming nervously anxious, skittish, as are real animals with such a dilemma. -------------- The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.

Glen Davidson Posts: 1100 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 26 2015,22:53    Quote (Texas Teach @ July 26 2015,22:24) Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 26 2015,21:43) And this sentence is a thought forming: "When attract and avoid locations When working properly The combined When this happens It was found that to anxiously" By no definition is that a sentence. Barely counts as a thought--certainly not as a meaningful one. Glen Davidson -------------- http://tinyurl.com/mxaa3p....p Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of coincidence---ID philosophy

GaryGaulin Posts: 5385 Joined: Oct. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: July 27 2015,00:38    Seeing that we are already on a new page this is where I'm now at. And it only has to work as described for the model to be scientifically awesome: THEORY OF OPERATION – HOW IT WORKS The Intelligence Design Lab-5 has behavior that is guided by an internal (neural) representation of the external world in activity patterns that recreate physical properties at each place mapped into the network. Signal flow propagates outward from an attractor (food) location and around places to avoid (bump into or periodically shocked by) along the way. It's confidence in motor actions depend on the magnitude and direction it is actually traveling matching the magnitude and direction of the signal flow at the corresponding place in its internal representation. To establish a benchmark that assumes error free signals from parts of the brain that use dead reckoning to convert what is seen through its eyes into spatial coordinates in its external environment the program simply uses the already calculated X,Y positions that are used to place things in the virtual environment. In the real world our brain oppositely converts visual signals to the spatial X,Y locations, which a virtual environment has to instead start with. Where that were added to this model and working perfectly that's what you would get for coordinates. The best of both worlds provides ideal numbers to work from, which in turn gives this an excellent sense of where visible things are located around itself even though in this Lab its eyes cannot see anything. To test place avoidance abilities a hidden moving shock zone slowly rotates counterclockwise, while the critter chases food in a clockwise direction, heading straight towards the hazard. Though the test is demanding the confidence system of this intelligence strives for perfection, as does a human athlete. The relatively high confidence levels essentially indicate that it's having fun. In a research paper the arena and some of the navigational network is based upon some live rats preferred to chase after the treats even though they are not hungry enough to need to eat, while others preferred to remain in the shock free center zone. Even a rat has to first be willing. For the virtual critter the several If-Then statements that compare actual travel magnitude and direction to that of the internal representation makes it want nothing else but to chase the food around its arena. Getting out of the way of an approaching shock zone requires a good temporal sense of what is expected to soon happen. This was added by alternating between maps of both current cue card angular time and the next time frame ahead. Either way the time dependent room related memory RoomAvoidBit(X, Y, Time) has to be given a time frame to recall, even where that is present time. Only difference is that more than one moment in time is recalled. It this way ahead of time knows when it's in the way of the shock zone and gets out of there pronto. After avoiding being surrounded by the approaching zone it has to have the common sense to go around to the safer zone behind and wait for the food to be in the clear, while knowing where the food is located even when it's surrounded by places to avoid that can (where signal timing pattern is not right) block its signal activity. Where the signals from attract and avoid locations combine: the wanting to go both towards and away from the food results in it becoming nervously anxious, skittish, as are real animals with such a dilemma. The signal timing that was found to work best closely follows Hebbian Theory where here neighboring cells that fire (or not) together, wire together a network with activity patterns that recreate the physical properties of what is in the external environment. It can also be conceptualized as a conservation of energy strategy where at each place in the network an incoming charge from neighbors is sent to uncharged neighbors in the opposite outgoing direction. It's surprising how something this simple can organize into a network that provides navigational intuition like we have. Even where some tweaking is possible they still navigate well. This helps explain why animals (insects are also animals) seem born with an ability that is there from the start. The origin of this behavior was believed to be a learned instinct that slowly developed over millions of years of time from blundering animals passing on slightly less blundering behavioral traits to offspring. But if as this model suggests it's actually the result of activity patterns in a network of cells that for the most part always had the ability to provide these internal representations then it's much more likely to have existed when multicellular animals first appeared. There are then no complex brain centers that had to slowly be programmed or hardwired. The origin of our complex navigational behaviors is here best explained by the activity patterns in relatively simple cellular networks. -------------- The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.

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