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keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 05 2007,10:14   

December:  Uncommon Descent Ended the Year With a Bang
January:     Another Record Month for Uncommon Descent
February:   February Another Record Month for Uncommon Descent
March:       March Another Record Month for Uncommon Descent
April:         April Another Record Month for Uncommon Descent
May:                                   ???
June:                                  ???
July:                                   ???

What happened, Davey?

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djmullen



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 05 2007,12:13   

John W: "Cows are insects."

Two words: Cow swatter.

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 05 2007,12:34   

Quote (keiths @ Aug. 05 2007,10:14)
December:  Uncommon Descent Ended the Year With a Bang
January:     Another Record Month for Uncommon Descent
February:   February Another Record Month for Uncommon Descent
March:       March Another Record Month for Uncommon Descent
April:         April Another Record Month for Uncommon Descent
May:                                   ???
June:                                  ???
July:                                   ???

What happened, Davey?

This happened..

http://www.google.com/trends?....&sort=0


I asked him over at FtK's.

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djmullen



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 05 2007,12:39   

Tribune 7 speaks:  
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Now there is room for improvement, but you have to admit it is an interesting and worthy endeavor. Since, you have a background in statistics get in now on the pioneering stage and you might be mentioned in a textbook 120 years down the road.

"Fads and Fallacies in the Name of Science" Martin Gardner, 1957.

  
oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 05 2007,13:05   

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tribune7: How about asking what the probability would be for certain stones in a certain pattern with certain shared markings falling in a certain commmon direction?


Sal has been asked several times over at the SciPhiShow to demonstrate the EF on a "stones in a snowflake" pattern. So far he has not even acknowledged the request. And as he's stopped posting there it's unlikely he will.

Still, will he do it when it's (almost) asked on UD itself?

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
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Grayman



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 06 2007,01:53   

I tried following the good Dr. Dembski’s links to the vaunted Evolutionary Informatics lab at Baylor and Baylor would appear to have removed them all.  Does anyone know the story?

  
oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 06 2007,02:49   

Quote (Grayman @ Aug. 06 2007,01:53)
I tried following the good Dr. Dembski’s links to the vaunted Evolutionary Informatics lab at Baylor and Baylor would appear to have removed them all.  Does anyone know the story?

Not quite sure, but they've been down too long for it to be a random glitch.

Dr Dr Dr Dembski has said nothing in public, AFAIK.

What a humiliating climbdown if it's down on purpose! After all, this was one of Dembski's "2007 predictions".

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
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Zachriel



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 06 2007,07:32   

Kairosfocus sings the same tune on and on and on and on and on.



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kairosfocus: The Flagellum comprises 50 parts constructed based on DNA code, including some 30 unique proteins, and has a stator and rotor reversibly driving an external paddle to move the bacterium back or forth in a liquid medium. It IS an outboard motor, of a technology that emerging nanotech engineers are openly salivating over

Nonsense. It's an inboard motor. It's like he doesn't know anything about boats. Or whatever.


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kairosfocus does math: We have about 50 proteins at ~ 300 monomers each, in turn at 3 base pairs per DNA codon. So, we are looking at a DNA configurational space that we may crudely estimate at: 4^[50 x 300 x 3] = 4^45,000 ~ 5.01*10^27,092.

Let's try a simpler example. The gene responsible for nylonase is ~400 nucleotides long. The chance of that gene spontaneously assembling from random nucleotides is less than 1 in 10^240 or beyond the Universal Probability Bound. Therefore, it didn't happen!

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k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 06 2007,09:03   

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Let's try a simpler example. The gene responsible for nylonase is ~400 nucleotides long. The chance of that gene spontaneously assembling from random nucleotides is less than 1 in 10^240 or beyond the Universal Probability Bound. Therefore, it didn't happen!



PPPHHHHFFFFFFTT AS AN AUTOBIDICT I KNOW THAT ALREADY. THE ONLY REASON THOSE THINGS EAT NYLON IS BECAUSE GOD MADE NYLON AND THE NYLONASE BUG ON THE 3RD DAY AS A WARM UP TO HIS TOUR DE FORCE, SNAKES WITH LEGS!!!! SO HE COULD TAKE THEM OFF THEM IF THEY EVER PLAYED UP WITH EVE...WHICH ONE OF THEM DID!!! AND ITS A GOOD THING TOO, JUST IMAGINE IF THAT SNAKE HAD GOT AWAY WITH IT? WOMEN ALL OVER THE WORLD WOULD BE WANTING  SNAKES FOR LOVERS INSTEAD OF MEN......OH THAT HAPPENED, SORRY, AS YOU WERE.d.t.

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The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

   
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 06 2007,10:06   

Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 03 2007,12:43)
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31 July 2007
Trench warfare, not an arms race
Granville Sewell

In his new book, “The Edge of Evolution,” (another masterpiece) Michael Behe looks in considerable detail at the struggle for survival between humans and the malaria parasite where, in the last 100 years, the evolution of more organisms and generations can be studied than were involved in the entire natural history of mammals. He finds that natural selection can indeed be credited with some “change”, but concludes  
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Far and away the most extensive relevant data we have on the subject of evolution’s effects on competing organisms is that accumulated on interactions between humans and our parasites. As with the example of malaria, the data show trench warfare, with acts of desperate destruction, not arms races, with mutual improvements. The thrust and parry of human-malaria evolution did not build anything–it only destroyed things. Jettisoning G6PD wrecks, it does not construct. Throwing away band 3 protein does likewise…The arms race metaphor itself is misconceived…Real arms races are run by highly intelligent, bespectacled engineers in glass offices thoughtfully designing shiny weapons on modern computers. But there’s no thinking in the mud and cold of nature’s trenches…In its real war with malaria, the human genome has only diminished.
In an e-mail, I wrote Behe:  
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I still insist you don’t need to know any biology at all to have predicted your main conclusions, all you need to know is the second law of thermodynamics: natural forces don’t build bridges, they just destroy them*. But no one will listen to you unless you do know some biology, so I’m glad there are people like you who look at the details and arrive at the same obvious conclusions.
* see, for example, the link  here  from my 2005 John Wiley book.

Progress in the battle between Darwinism and ID is judged, by both sides, by who has the most Nobel prize winners and National Academy of Science members (they do!), but for me the whole issue has always been extremely simple. It’s not too complicated for the layman to understand, it’s too simple for the scientist.


I forget who recently called ID 'folk science', but there is no clearer example of that fact than Sewell's post.

I think that was me.

Please! No more autographs!

(I was out of town 4 days, now trying to catch up.)

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 06 2007,10:08   

[quote=Richardthughes,Aug. 02 2007,13:10]Fruity DaveTard mixes apples and oranges:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-130643

 
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DaveScot

08/02/2007

12:35 pm
tyke

Actually there’s little change in religious belief in the U.S. since 1978. It waxes and wanes a bit over time but there’s no real long term trend either way. It appears to go up sharply when the stock market tanks then slowly declines until the next market crash.

http://www.pollingreport.com/religion.htm

Wrong.

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 06 2007,10:16   

Quote (Hermagoras @ Aug. 05 2007,09:26)
tribune7, patronizing tard  
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Oh yes, the pillars and the roof. Sure, we all infer design when we see them beacuse we know what they are,
Not always. Sometimes we just find piles of broken stone, but we still infer they were once pillars.
not because we run them through the explanatory filter. How would you even do that?
That’s one of the neat things about Dembski’s work. Design exist, it can be inferred and Dembski is trying to present a way in which it can be quantified.
Now there is room for improvement, but you have to admit it is an interesting and worthy endeavor. Since, you have a background in statistics get in now on the pioneering stage and you might be mentioned in a textbook 120 years down the road.

Interesting slip. IDers seem to think that all of science takes place in introductory textbooks.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 06 2007,10:38   

DaveTard, slooooooooow reader:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-131160




ALL SCIENCE SO  FAR!!

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Rob



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 06 2007,11:29   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Aug. 05 2007,04:54)
Sal Notes:
   
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Dr. Olofsson’s paper was one of the more respectable critiques I’ve seen unlike the trash I saw out of Elsberry and Shallit and Perakh.

Translation:  
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Dr. Olofsson's paper focuses on only two of Dembski's problems and I can kind of understand his paper, as opposed to Elsberry, Shallit, and Perakh, who point out many problems, most of which I don't understand at all.


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N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 06 2007,15:03   

From Ms O'Leary, at http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....omments

   
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The Society for Vertebrate Paleontology, be it noted, has denounced the recently opened Creation Museum in Petersburg, Kentucky:

...........

But what on earth has happened to the Society for Invertebrate Paleontology? Why aren’t they chiming in?

Possibly because there is no such society.  Duh.

It's probably nitpicking to note that Denyse should have referred to the Society Of Vertebrate Paleontology, not "For".  But why should she start bothering to get her facts correct  now? - that would be out of character for her, and would just get in the way when she's telling stories.

  
oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 06 2007,17:22   

UK people, turn off teh irony meters.

PaV quotes the daily Mail
 
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I was just reading this fairly-well written article, and came upon one of the last paragraphs.


The Image of Pots and Kettles ….

Lets just say the daily Mail front page more often then not is a Princess Diana murder mystery conspiracy theory.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
Gordon Mullings

  
Gunthernacus



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 06 2007,18:42   

Patrick projects:  
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This objection has been made before on UD but yours is the most coherent version yet (I mean that as a compliment) since you’ve explained the reasoning behind it and it’s not just a “gut feeling” objection like most Darwinists make. [my italics]

Why can't the Darwinists put forth some hard-core subjective speculation like DT?

Patrick projects more:  
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Lest we retread ground once again…I’m assuming you’re saying that as a starting basis for making an argument about homologies of flagellar proteins, which usually turns into drawing a chart of said homologies and devolves into a game of wishful connect the dots without demonstrating how the various proteins can be formed, assembled and function as a motile device via unguided, purpose-less processes.

Why do Darwinists bother with that stuffed-shirt homology research and just jump straight to the wishful dot connecting that is the design inference where there is no demonstration of how the various proteins were formed, assembled, and given function?

 
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Why do I say the design inference is currently the strongest explanation? We know what intelligent agencies are capable of coupled with the knowledge of what nature, operating freely and unguided, is capable of. The whole point of Behe’s new book was to try and find experimental evidence for exactly what Darwinian mechanisms are capable of.

So Behe's is trying to find evidence for what Patrick already knows in his gut.

More Patrick
 
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Let’s say we have have a lower organism and a higher organism that share a homolog. But the creatures that are supposed to be in-between do not share this homolog. Now you could explain it away by saying this code “re-evolved”, but I’d consider this scenario to be more compatible with front-loading/designer reuse.

Let's make up a scenario where the evidence might actually be credible in pointing to design.  In a case like this isn't silly to think it could be explained by Darwinism?
 
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BTW, I’m not aware of such an example but it’d be an interesting data point if there was.

Oops.  Well, Darwinism would be silly if we had that evidence - and boy, it would be interesting if we did - but we don't.  But, if there were, those sneaky Darwinists would just explain it away somehow - they can't deny that!

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 06 2007,18:49   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Aug. 06 2007,17:22)
UK people, turn off teh irony meters.

PaV quotes the daily Mail
 
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I was just reading this fairly-well written article, and came upon one of the last paragraphs.


The Image of Pots and Kettles ….

Lets just say the daily Mail front page more often then not is a Princess Diana murder mystery conspiracy theory.

Nah, that's the express more than the mail.

The mail is more into having a go at the poor, immigrants, gays, the left wing, immigrants, the government, immigrants....

Of course, it does dabble in a little Diana-murder nonsense.

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I'm not the fastest or the baddest or the fatest.

You NEVER seem to address the fact that the grand majority of people supporting Darwinism in these on line forums and blogs are atheists. That doesn't seem to bother you guys in the least. - FtK

Roddenberry is my God.

   
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 06 2007,20:45   

No doubt this supports ID:

http://www.arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0707/0707.0011.pdf

Shame they never write their own papers..

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 06 2007,22:28   

Hard shift in the quote mine..

http://www.uncommondescent.com/id-defined/

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Positive evidence of design ... the lack of any known law that can explain ....


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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2007,03:33   

Tard.
Fresh to you from OE.
Overwhelming evidence
 
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Great argument
hblavatsky | Mon, 2007-08-06 22:32
Just a side node, isn't there a good argument that the panda's hand is well designed?

Yes, kind of like the way a banana fits perfectly in the palm of your hand and contains all the ideal nutrients. It's almost as if it was designed right? The Banana is naturally occurring evidence of something that is so useful, but could never have evolved.

When you evaluate Michael Behe's claims vs those of Dawkins and PZ Myers, it's worth remembering a few important things. While the consensus is admitidly against Behe, you have to realize that he is not working to a materialist agenda like the other so-called scientists. Science shouldn't be materialistic, we all agree with that dont we?

---
Helena Petrovna Blavatsky


Ok.  Who amongst you is Blavatsky?
This was the best parody post in a long time.
Whoever you are, keep up the good work! ;)
For those who don't get the reference...
The atheist's nightmare: the banana

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2007,04:47   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Aug. 05 2007,21:49)
 
Quote (Grayman @ Aug. 06 2007,01:53)
I tried following the good Dr. Dembski’s links to the vaunted Evolutionary Informatics lab at Baylor and Baylor would appear to have removed them all.  Does anyone know the story?

Not quite sure, but they've been down too long for it to be a random glitch.

Dr Dr Dr Dembski has said nothing in public, AFAIK.

What a humiliating climbdown if it's down on purpose! After all, this was one of Dembski's "2007 predictions".

Still down!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2007,05:58   

Quote (Gunthernacus @ Aug. 06 2007,18:42)
Oops.  Well, Darwinism would be silly if we had that evidence - and boy, it would be interesting if we did - but we don't.  But, if there were, those sneaky Darwinists would just explain it away somehow - they can't deny that!

What't the best way to explain away a problem that shoots holes in your pet belief? A miracle, of course!

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2007,06:45   

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Still down!


I don't recall doing that. Let me know when Springer pops up somewhere claiming it's all my fault.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2007,07:40   

Quote (Alan Fox @ Aug. 07 2007,04:47)
 
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Aug. 05 2007,21:49)
     
Quote (Grayman @ Aug. 06 2007,01:53)
I tried following the good Dr. Dembski’s links to the vaunted Evolutionary Informatics lab at Baylor and Baylor would appear to have removed them all.  Does anyone know the story?

Not quite sure, but they've been down too long for it to be a random glitch.

Dr Dr Dr Dembski has said nothing in public, AFAIK.

What a humiliating climbdown if it's down on purpose! After all, this was one of Dembski's "2007 predictions".

Still down!

Here's a slightly different URL:
http://web.ecs.baylor.edu/faculty/marks/Research/EILab/

Google within Baylor University for "Evolutionary Informatics Lab".

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2007,08:24   

Also of note: www.jesustombmath.org has also disappeared.  Which brings to mind the following question:

If evolutionary informatics is dead, why can't they find the body?  

You see where I'm going here.  

(Edited for poor phrasing)

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2007,08:47   

Quote (Hermagoras @ Aug. 07 2007,08:24)
Also of note: www.jesustombmath.org has also disappeared.  Which brings to mind the following question:

If evolutionary informatics is dead, why can't they find the body?  

You see where I'm going here.  

(Edited for poor phrasing)

Then I deduce that Baylor has realized how very stupid it all is and kicked them off! Jesustombmath indeed!
The whois says
 
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Domain ID:D148233628-LROR
Domain Name:JESUSTOMBMATH.ORG
Created On:25-Jun-2007 15:14:20 UTC
Registrant Name:William Dembski


Created on the 25th Jun, excised on the (what was it anybody?) 1st August or so. It lasted somewhat over a month. Is this the ID revolution Dr Dr Dr Dembski promised us at the start of the year?

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2007,08:56   

In the I-can't-believe-he-actually-said-that department:
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kairosfocus: So, if you want to see how critics fare on an even playing field [poorly indeed, on the merits], you will have to keep an eye on UD, folks.


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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2007,08:59   

ID's core competency is defuncting websites.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2007,09:10   

Tribune7 seyz:  
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I think the reason why Miss Coulter is hated isn’t because she is blunt or rude but because she is effective.

If she were caught lying (a la Michael Moore) that would hurt her, but she hasn’t been despite the fact that her opponents certainly scrutinize her work.


Mediamatters note
 
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Among other things, Coulter:

   * misrepresented and distorted the statements of her sources;
   * omitted information in those sources that refuted the claims in her book;
   * misrepresented news coverage to allege bias;
   * relied upon outdated and unreliable sources;
   * and invented "facts."


What kind of insulated environment does tribune7 exist in?

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
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