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GCT



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2007,17:41   

Quote (ERV @ Sep. 03 2007,18:31)
Okay, I cant take it anymore-- I have to register to vent here :P

So, SAL isnt going to post anymore, he just passes the torch to Casey. ?Casey is too dumb to notice that his insults arent insults:

1-- Yeah, I hate Falwell. ?I grew up in a small town, ALL of my gay friends admitted to me at one point or another that they were suicidal.... because of Falwells/Haggards/etc etc culture of hate. ?But how many kids dont have someone safe to talk to? ?How many gay kids blow their face off, strangle themselves, poison themselves, because of True Christian hate? ?Damn straight, the happiest day of my life would be the day that whole clan drove off a cliff.

2-- So... Its 'good' that missionaries lie to people? ?A lie that causes a slow painful death? ?A lie that kills children? ?Casey Luskin thinks its okay to tell people condoms dont prevent HIV transmission?

May they never stop digging :)

ERV, welcome.  Welcome to the land of the banned.

Grab one of your favorite beverages and enjoy the tard that is UD.  And, please keep the hits coming.  I think we all enjoyed your take-down of Sal and everyone else there while it lasted.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2007,17:52   

ERV, welcome aboard!

And it may interest you to know that lovable tard (who knows so much how to be a 'serious scholar' ) Dave Scot reads this thread.

:p

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2007,17:57   

Hey ERV,

Welcome to our little group.  It's like Mystery Science Theatre except without the popcorn.  We do, however, have robot puppets.  

Hermagoras

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2007,18:51   

Yo, yo yo, Abbie Dr. Smith - welcome to the cave.  Pull up a rock and prepare to get entertained.  

Your takedown of Sal and Luskin bring a tear to my eye - I am, after all a sensitive kind of guy.  Personaly, I think we need someone of your perspicacity and wit to get out of HIV research and into evo-devo.  With your help it will be revealed that while we poor Neandertals were writing poetry, painting and re-decorating our caves,  the bloodthirsty Homos from Seattle and Texas stole our caves and killed us in the name of their god(s).  

Welcome.

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2007,18:56   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Sep. 03 2007,16:12)
And even more bizarrely, Grandma Tard posts something for Dr. Dr. Dembski!

Have his posting privileges been revoked?

Yeah, but look at the dates... this Tard is aged.  It does not go into the All New Tardariffic Happenings.

However... This latest Dembski goof erupted after the Holiday wekend had started.  I expect a fun response from Baylor tomorrow, and much wailing and gnashing of teeth to occur from Dembski-land and UD soon...

Stay tuned!  

Maybe am ATBC pool for what happens, and when?

Edited by Wesley R. Elsberry on Sep. 04 2007,07:00

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2007,19:14   

Quote (J-Dog @ Sep. 03 2007,18:56)
?  
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Sep. 03 2007,16:12)
And even more bizarrely, Grandma Tard posts something for Dr. Dr. Dembski!

Have his posting privileges been revoked?

Yeah, but look at the dates... this Tard is aged. ?It does not go into the All New Tardariffic Happenings.

Actually, I suspect it does. Dr. Marks continued to collaborate with Dr. Dembski, and it wasn't too long after he hosted Dembski's Jesus Tomb Math paper that the lab's website went dark.

Another interesting bit of trivia http://www.evolutionaryinformatics.org is actually registered to Dembski, not Marks.

Edited by Wesley R. Elsberry on Sep. 04 2007,07:00

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2007,20:10   

Trying to make sense of the Dembski-Marks-Baylor-UnwittingLabHosts thing to which Dembski relates in a series of flashbacks in no particular order at :http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....owship-

(I tried to put the dates in a neutral format, and in more or less the correct order):

1999-2005 Dr Dr Demsbki at Baylor. Booted out.
(unspecified) Distinguished Distinguished Proffesor Marks secures a grant from Lifeworks.
06 NOV 2006 Dr Dr Demsbki appointed Senior Research Scientist at Baylor.
04 Dec 2006 Dr Dr Dembski called into Dean's office: "you're not supposed to be here, are you?"
05 Dec 2006 Meeting about Dr Dr Demsbki at Baylors Faculty Senate. Demsbki's position to be revoked.
07 Dec 2006 Dr Dr Demsbki learns his postion is about to br revoked.
07 Dec 2006 Distinguished Distinguised Prof Marks and and another DDP Walter Bradley tried to persuage Dean Kelley to let Dembski stay
08 Dec 2006 Baylor claim to have good reason to terminate the good Dr Dr. He's basically been moonlighting.
08 Dec 2006 (later) Dr Dr Dembski gets email inviting him to collect all of his crap from his desk.
09 Dec 2006 Dembski tries to get subsidised meal from an institution which no longer employs him and is escorted off the premises by security (forcefully I hope :))

01 Jan 2007 Dembski looks forward to ID-friendly research center at Baylor. Despite the fact that he's not even allowed to eat there anymore. Hasn't he read his own summary ferchrisakes?
http://www.uncommondescent.com/darwinism/2007-buckle-your-seat-belts/
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Happy New Year to all UD regulars. I expect 2007 to be a bang-up year for ID. Here are three things in particular I'm looking forward to in the coming year:

A new ID friendly research center at a major university. (This is not merely an idle wish - stay tuned.)


02 Jun 2007 Dembski announces the Baylor Informatics Lab, a collaboration of him and Robert Marks at (a university that won't even allow him to eat on their premises). The lab is a virtual entity within the "personal" sub-pages of Robert Marks II (not distinguished professor Marks?). Baylor don't know about it yet.
02 June 2007 Botnik, AKA William Dembski is the first to congratulate Dembski on the new lab.
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Fantastic! I suppose the other side is going to say that this has nothing to do with ID.


03 June 2007 Bob O'H first ATBC person to poke fun at informatics lab.
06 Jun 2007 Steve Story reveals that he has had 20 year old girlfriends with D-cups (That doesn't belong here, but, bastard).
12 July 2007 Dembski and Marks nearly eviscerate "The Jesus Tomb", but it turns out they're a tard late -- every else had already been there and done that.
Link still http://ecs.baylor.edu/Research/EILab
XX July 2007 Demsbki acquires domain name www.evolutionaryinformatics.org.
15 July 2007 A better link to the Informatics lab revealed at UD
16 Jul 2007 RichardHughes notes "Bwahahahahahaha..."
16 Jul 2007 etc. etc.
17 Jul 2007 Albatrosity2 posts picture of Ben Stein (who he?, ed)
20 Jul 2007 Reference to Informatics Lab in Archie Bunker thread
20 Jul 2007 Casey Luskin interviews Robert Marks converning the new Evolitionary Informatics Lab
27 Jul 2007 (O'L) Kelley tell Marks he must remove his (fraudulent) website. ?(SH added Fraudulent because it was)
29 Jul 2007 (O'L) Kelly suggests a meeting, Marks gets a lawyer.
02 Aug 2007 Wesley notes that the "Evolutionary Informatics" group link is dead.
03 (O'L) Kelly removes content from Marks "Baylor" web space which Baylor owns, without asking his consent.
03 Aug 2007 At UD, rrf asks why the informatics link is not working. He/She is Ignored.
04 Aug 2007 At UD, IrishFather42 points out that the Baylor Informatics Link no longer works. He/She is ignored.
08 Aug 2007 At UD, Grayman asks if anyone can shed any light on the non-workingness of the BIL. He/She is Ignored.
XX Aug 2007 Slimey Sal ( not his real name), aka Salvador Cordova (not his real name), currently in hiding, attempts to apply for position at Informatics Lab, which everyone else knows has been defunct for some time (at the very best).

edits: question marks, Dembski mispellings, Casey mispelled, removed business seminar ref, incorporated O'Leary timeline. "Personal" quoted. "Fraudulent" quoted

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2007,20:53   

Some encouragement:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-135522

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Peter

09/03/2007

6:09 pm
You can?t soar like an eagle when you are surrounded by ostriches.

This is disheartening, but it could be worse. Don?t forget that Einstein had to work in a patent office. A lot of people already believe in ID, so your work continues to be important. When people discover how badly the NDE behave they will have even less credibility. Why suppress the ID if it is so weak? The truth will out in the end.


Dembski....Einstein.

Hmmm. Those crafty Darwinists, they stopped you even formulating a theory of ID...

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2007,20:55   

What the hell is the Lifeworks foundation anyway?  A google search seems to bring it up mainly as a patron of the arts.

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Mister DNA



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2007,21:18   

Quote (Hermagoras @ Sep. 03 2007,20:55)
What the hell is the Lifeworks foundation anyway?  A google search seems to bring it up mainly as a patron of the arts.

Doesn't "street theater" qualify as the Arts?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2007,21:55   

Quote (steve_h @ Sep. 04 2007,04:10)
Trying to make sense of the Dembski-Marks-Baylor-UnwittingLabHosts thing to which Dembski relates in a series of flashbacks in no particular order at :http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....owship-

(I tried to put the dates in a neutral format, and in more or less the correct order):

1999-2005 Dr Dr Demsbki at Baylor. Booted out.
(unspecified) Distinguished Distinguished Proffesor Marks secures a grant from Lifeworks.
06 NOV 2006 Dr Dr Demsbki appointed Senior Research Scientist at Baylor.
04 Dec 2006 Dr Dr Dembski called into Dean's office: "you're not supposed to be here, are you?"
05 Dec 2006 Meeting about Dr Dr Demsbki at Baylors Faculty Senate. Demsbki's position to be revoked.
07 Dec 2006 Dr Dr Demsbki learns his postion is about to br revoked.
07 Dec 2006 Distinguished Distinguised Prof Marks and and another DDP Walter Bradley tried to persuage Dean Kelley to let Dembski stay
08 Dec 2006 Baylor claim to have good reason to terminate the good Dr Dr. He's basically been moonlighting.
08 Dec 2006 (later) Dr Dr Dembski gets email inviting him to collect all of his crap from his desk.
09 Dec 2006 Dembski tries to get subsidised meal from an institution which no longer employs him and is escorted off the premises by security (forcefully I hope :))

01 Jan 2007 Dembski looks forward to ID-friendly research center at Baylor. Despite the fact that he's not even allowed to eat there anymore. Hasn't he read his own summary ferchrisakes?
http://www.uncommondescent.com/darwinism/2007-buckle-your-seat-belts/  
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Happy New Year to all UD regulars. I expect 2007 to be a bang-up year for ID. Here are three things in particular I'm looking forward to in the coming year:

A new ID friendly research center at a major university. (This is not merely an idle wish - stay tuned.)


02 Jun 2007 Dembski announces the Baylor Informatics Lab, a collaboration of him and Robert Marks at (a university that won't even allow him to eat on their premises). The lab is a virtual entity within the "personal" sub-pages of Robert Marks II (not distinguished professor Marks?). Baylor don't know about it yet.
02 June 2007 Botnik, AKA William Dembski is the first to congratulate Dembski on the new lab.
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Fantastic! I suppose the other side is going to say that this has nothing to do with ID.


03 June 2007 Bob O'H first ATBC person to poke fun at informatics lab.
06 Jun 2007 Steve Story reveals that he has had 20 year old girlfriends with D-cups (That doesn't belong here, but, bastard).
12 July 2007 Dembski and Marks nearly eviscerate "The Jesus Tomb", but it turns out they're a tard late -- every else had already been there and done that.
Link still http://ecs.baylor.edu/Research/EILab
XX July 2007 Demsbki acquires domain name www.evolutionaryinformatics.org.
15 July 2007 A better link to the Informatics lab revealed at UD
16 Jul 2007 RichardHughes notes "Bwahahahahahaha..."
16 Jul 2007 etc. etc.
17 Jul 2007 Albatrosity2 posts picture of Ben Stein (who he?, ed)
20 Jul 2007 Reference to Informatics Lab in Archie Bunker thread
20 Jul 2007 Casey Luskin interviews Robert Marks converning the new Evolitionary Informatics Lab
27 Jul 2007 (O'L) Kelley tell Marks he must remove his (fraudulent) website. ?(SH added Fraudulent because it was)
29 Jul 2007 (O'L) Kelly suggests a meeting, Marks gets a lawyer.
02 Aug 2007 Wesley notes that the "Evolutionary Informatics" group link is dead.
03 (O'L) Kelly removes content from Marks "Baylor" web space which Baylor owns, without asking his consent.
03 Aug 2007 At UD, rrf asks why the informatics link is not working. He/She is Ignored.
04 Aug 2007 At UD, IrishFather42 points out that the Baylor Informatics Link no longer works. He/She is ignored.
08 Aug 2007 At UD, Grayman asks if anyone can shed any light on the non-workingness of the BIL. He/She is Ignored.
XX Aug 2007 Slimey Sal ( not his real name), aka Salvador Cordova (not his real name), currently in hiding, attempts to apply for position at Informatics Lab, which everyone else knows has been defunct for some time (at the very best).

edits: question marks, Dembski mispellings, Casey mispelled, removed business seminar ref, incorporated O'Leary timeline. "Personal" quoted. "Fraudulent" quoted

*Stands and claps*
For me Post of the month


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....at (a university that won't even allow him to eat on their premises).


PERSONA NON VORO!

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2007,22:46   

The sharp, incisive mind of a lawyer:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/culture....-135544

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BarryA

09/03/2007

9:47 pm
vividblue, the reasoning that follows in the next sentence. I am not saying this is the position most Calvinists hold. It is a corruption of the doctrine. As Chesterton said in Orthodoxy, insanity is not the absense of logic, but too much logic.


Emphasis mine.

Too much logic? I thought it was demons. At least, that's what's offered in the designers manual.

I am troubled by Christianity's anti-intellectualism.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2007,00:21   

Picking up RTH's crumbs....
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Barry A. Bleats..... As Chesterton said in Orthodoxy, insanity is not the absense of logic, but too much logic.


Yes of course, that explains Dembski's curse ...oh and witchcraft *snicker*.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2007,00:47   

One for those in academia:
(all quotes from Denyse O'Dembski.  Emphases mine)
 
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On Thursday (12.07.06) I learned it was definite that Baylor University was revoking a postdoctoral fellowship that I held in the Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering.


 
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My appointment as Senior Research Scientist in Baylor?s Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering began November 2006.


For those of you stuck in the real world, a post-doc is someone who has just got their PhD, and is still considered junior - they can't officially supervise PhD students for example.  A senior research scientist is at least one step above in the ladder.

I was initially amused that Dembski was prepared to take a demotion, but it looks as if he wasn't, even if administratively that's what was happening.

Bob

Edited by Wesley R. Elsberry on Sep. 04 2007,06:59

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2007,01:12   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Sep. 04 2007,00:47)
One for those in academia:

...For those of you stuck in the real world, a post-doc is someone who has just got their PhD, and is still considered junior - they can't officially supervise PhD students for example. ?A senior research scientist is at least one step above in the ladder.

I was initially amused that Dembski was prepared to take a demotion, but it looks as if he wasn't, even if administratively that's what was happening.

I don't know that it's above in the ladder, more like different ladders. A postdoc is a trainee with a fellowship and stipend who is expected to move on in 2-5 years, but a senior research scientist is generally an employee with a salary and no term limit.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2007,01:29   

It seems that Dembski is only adept at calling Waterloo and "victory" far too prematurely.

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Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2007,01:32   

JAM - I think your description of a senior scientist would (in practice) match mine for a university - I assume you weren't thinking of technicians.  I guess for applied institutes your definition is appropriate (I'm thinking of places like CSL or NIAB in the UK, which do mainly monitoring work rather than academic research).

Mind you, whichever definition we take, it doesn't help Dembski much, does it?

Bob

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2007,03:23   

I know I said "Botnik AKA Dembski" but a thought just occurred to me (Well, it is the first Tuesday of the month): ? Could Botnik, who has just caused some embarrassment with his fake letter, be Joel ?"ID is ?creation in disguise" Borofsky, the world's leading only ever ID research assistant - or was he banned?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2007,03:44   

Quote (steve_h @ Sep. 03 2007,20:10)
09 Dec 2006 Dembski tries to get subsidised meal from an institution which no longer employs him and is escorted off the premises by security (forcefully I hope :))


Of all people Dembski should know there?s No Free Lunch.

(sorry, that was just to easy)

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2007,06:40   

Latest and greatest update to the Baylor/Dembski/Marks love triangle page
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2007,06:59   

Not that we actually needed it any more, but Baylor did respond last night...

 
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Subject: RE: About Robert Marks and the "Evolutionary Informatics" lab
From:    "O'Brien, Randall" <Randall_OBrien@...>
Date:    Mon, September 3, 2007 6:38 pm
Cc:      John_Lillley@...
        "Beckenhauer, Charles" <Charles_Beckenhauer@...>
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Dear Mr. Elsberry, Mr. Story, and Dr. Irons,

Like you, we are shocked to read this misrepresentation of our President's voice. Please know that President Lilley has NOT written this letter! It is a complete fabrication!

Sincerely yours,
J. Randall O'Brien,
Executive Vice President and Provost
Baylor U.

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From: Lilley, John M.
Sent: Mon 9/3/2007 8:54 AM
To: O'Brien, Randall
Subject: FW: About Robert Marks and the "Evolutionary Informatics" lab



Please handle.  John


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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2007,07:16   

Dr. Koonin wrote a (poorly thought out, and fundamentally flawed, IMHO) paper:
http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....he-gaps

The basic argument amounts to: "We don't know how this happened, so there must be an infinite number of universes."

Now the IDers are out commenting:
http://www.biology-direct.com/content/2/1/15/comments

I'm partial to this gem:
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since irreducible complexity and gradual evolution are mutually exclusive (cf. the concept of a perpetual motion machine for physics).

huh?

What is this "biology direct" "journal" anyway?  Based on the reviews, I would have thought this paper would be rejected outright.
(see: http://www.biology-direct.com/content/2/1/15#IDA0AXRR)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2007,07:17   

Oh, wait a minute:

http://www.biology-direct.com/
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Editors-in-Chief:
Eugene V Koonin,
National Center for Biotechnology Information, NIH;

  
Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2007,07:20   

William A. Dembski, 2006/12/03:

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Some internet gossip is going around suggesting that I am about to start a ?new job.? My job, and one I intend to keep for a long time, is as Research Professor in Philosophy at Southwestern Seminary. This is where I teach and this is where I derive my salary and benefits. I very much enjoy my students and colleagues. I recently spoke in chapel there, and, for the good of your soul, you do well to look at the text of my message: http://www.designinference.com/documen....ss.pdf.

In addition to this ?day job,? I have formal and informal affiliations with many groups and organizations. Because of some health issues in my family, we continue to live in the Waco area (Ft. Worth is about 90 miles north, requiring of me a long commute to Southwestern Seminary). Because Baylor is in Waco and because I was on the faculty of Baylor for over five years, I continue to stay in touch with Baylor colleagues, some of whom I collaborate with in research.


William A. Dembski (via D. O'Leary), 2007/09/03:

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(4) My appointment as Senior Research Scientist in Baylor's Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering began November 2006. The dean and department head were aware of my presence in the department and for one month raised no objection. I was given a small windowless office in the engineering building (Rogers 305A), which I planned to use once or twice a week. I had no teaching duties ^W this was strictly a research position. Also, I had access to the Baylor library and online journals.

[...]

(9) On Friday (12.08.06) Baylor claimed finally to have found a good reason to remove me, namely, a policy that forbids postdocs from having full outside employment (which I do with my job at Southwestern Seminary). [...]


So, as of the 2006/12/03 posting date, Dembski's understanding was that he did have employment at Baylor University, something he was at pains to obscure in his post on UD of that date.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2007,07:25   

Internet gossip: 1
Dembski: 0

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2007,07:36   

steve_h -

Outstanding post!  Great reference tool.

Thanks for doing the work.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2007,07:38   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 03 2007,20:53)
Dembski....Einstein.

Hmmm. Those crafty Darwinists, they stopped you even formulating a theory of ID...

Damn - You beat me to it!

Dembski = Einstein tells us all we need to know about the driving insatiable thirst for knowledge exhibited by your average UD poster.

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UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2007,07:46   

Quote (J-Dog @ Sep. 04 2007,07:38)
Dembski = Einstein tells us all we need to know about the driving insatiable thirst for knowledge exhibited by your average UD poster.

It also tells us all we need to know about why Dr. Dr. Dembski maintains the otherwise embarrassing website that is rapidly becoming uncommonly denser.

That, and the need to sell books.

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Has been obligated from the beginning
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Stephen Elliott



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2007,07:53   

Welcome ERV.
Most of us followed (to some degree) your foray into the UD quagmire. Almost anyone who asks reasonable questions over there gets somewhat the same treatment.
I hope you enjoy playing with the banned.

  
N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2007,08:50   

Quote (steve_h @ Sep. 03 2007,20:10)
Trying to make sense of the Dembski-Marks-Baylor-UnwittingLabHosts thing to which Dembski relates in a series of flashbacks in no particular order at :http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....owship-

(I tried to put the dates in a neutral format, and in more or less the correct order):

1999-2005 Dr Dr Demsbki at Baylor. Booted out.
(unspecified) Distinguished Distinguished Proffesor Marks secures a grant from Lifeworks.
06 NOV 2006 Dr Dr Demsbki appointed Senior Research Scientist at Baylor.
04 Dec 2006 Dr Dr Dembski called into Dean's office: "you're not supposed to be here, are you?"
05 Dec 2006 Meeting about Dr Dr Demsbki at Baylors Faculty Senate. Demsbki's position to be revoked.
07 Dec 2006 Dr Dr Demsbki learns his postion is about to br revoked.
07 Dec 2006 Distinguished Distinguised Prof Marks and and another DDP Walter Bradley tried to persuage Dean Kelley to let Dembski stay
08 Dec 2006 Baylor claim to have good reason to terminate the good Dr Dr. He's basically been moonlighting.
08 Dec 2006 (later) Dr Dr Dembski gets email inviting him to collect all of his crap from his desk.
09 Dec 2006 Dembski tries to get subsidised meal from an institution which no longer employs him and is escorted off the premises by security (forcefully I hope :))

01 Jan 2007 Dembski looks forward to ID-friendly research center at Baylor. Despite the fact that he's not even allowed to eat there anymore. Hasn't he read his own summary ferchrisakes?
http://www.uncommondescent.com/darwinism/2007-buckle-your-seat-belts/      
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Happy New Year to all UD regulars. I expect 2007 to be a bang-up year for ID. Here are three things in particular I'm looking forward to in the coming year:

A new ID friendly research center at a major university. (This is not merely an idle wish - stay tuned.)


02 Jun 2007 Dembski announces the Baylor Informatics Lab, a collaboration of him and Robert Marks at (a university that won't even allow him to eat on their premises). The lab is a virtual entity within the "personal" sub-pages of Robert Marks II (not distinguished professor Marks?). Baylor don't know about it yet.
02 June 2007 Botnik, AKA William Dembski is the first to congratulate Dembski on the new lab.      
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Fantastic! I suppose the other side is going to say that this has nothing to do with ID.


03 June 2007 Bob O'H first ATBC person to poke fun at informatics lab.
06 Jun 2007 Steve Story reveals that he has had 20 year old girlfriends with D-cups (That doesn't belong here, but, bastard).
12 July 2007 Dembski and Marks nearly eviscerate "The Jesus Tomb", but it turns out they're a tard late -- every else had already been there and done that.
Link still http://ecs.baylor.edu/Research/EILab
XX July 2007 Demsbki acquires domain name www.evolutionaryinformatics.org.
15 July 2007 A better link to the Informatics lab revealed at UD
16 Jul 2007 RichardHughes notes "Bwahahahahahaha..."
16 Jul 2007 etc. etc.
17 Jul 2007 Albatrosity2 posts picture of Ben Stein (who he?, ed)
20 Jul 2007 Reference to Informatics Lab in Archie Bunker thread
20 Jul 2007 Casey Luskin interviews Robert Marks converning the new Evolitionary Informatics Lab
27 Jul 2007 (O'L) Kelley tell Marks he must remove his (fraudulent) website. ?(SH added Fraudulent because it was)
29 Jul 2007 (O'L) Kelly suggests a meeting, Marks gets a lawyer.
02 Aug 2007 Wesley notes that the "Evolutionary Informatics" group link is dead.
03 (O'L) Kelly removes content from Marks "Baylor" web space which Baylor owns, without asking his consent.
03 Aug 2007 At UD, rrf asks why the informatics link is not working. He/She is Ignored.
04 Aug 2007 At UD, IrishFather42 points out that the Baylor Informatics Link no longer works. He/She is ignored.
08 Aug 2007 At UD, Grayman asks if anyone can shed any light on the non-workingness of the BIL. He/She is Ignored.
XX Aug 2007 Slimey Sal ( not his real name), aka Salvador Cordova (not his real name), currently in hiding, attempts to apply for position at Informatics Lab, which everyone else knows has been defunct for some time (at the very best).

edits: question marks, Dembski mispellings, Casey mispelled, removed business seminar ref, incorporated O'Leary timeline. "Personal" quoted. "Fraudulent" quoted

Interpreted version of 2006 events:

Dembski booted out.
Dembski & Marks get grant as a way for Dembski to sneak back in.  No one in Baylor administration notices.
Dembski gets broom closet as office in Engineering Building.  
Dembski's re-infiltration is almost complete.  Again, no one in Admin notices, despite having signed off on apparently routine paperwork, no doubt under false impression that Engineering was a serious & trustworthy department.

Sometime late Friday 1 Dec 2006 or over the weekend, someone in Admin puts two and two together, getting 4.  

First thing Monday 4 Dec. 2006, Fan in full contact with Dembski.
Revocation of Deanly assumptions about Engineering.

Tuesday 5 December:  Research Office gets strongly worded memo from Dean, noting that any grants mentioning W. Dembski should not be processed, and that any proposals from Dr. Marks or mentioning Lifeworks or Intelligent Design should be red-flagged and routed via the Dean prior to proceeding with the proposal.  (OK, I'm just guessing here.)

8 December 2006: Baylor finally comes up with a sufficiently legitimate excuse to remove Dr Dr wMAD.  

8 December 2006, about 2 seconds later: WAD successfully excised.

It is very odd that the latest screed was posted by O'Leary for Dembski.  Dembski clearly wrote it, and, what, Botnik was too busy?

It is also odd that Dembski wants to share this.

It is furthermore odd that Dembski is so concerned with reconnecting himself to Baylor.  The normal reaction would be to consider yourself slighted by a bunch of a-holes and move on to greener pastures without looking back.  Apparently, he really really really doesn't handle rejection.

  
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