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tsig



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2008,21:18   

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The sad part about our decreasing engineering graduation numbers is that we are paying engineers very well due to that shortage.  My company offers bonuses to get an engineer to sign on.  

So, what's going on?  Why the shortage?

It's the same thing with geologists. I don't know about other  companies, but BP offers some sweet incentives for employees to get geology degrees.

How much you think they'd pay FTK's buddy Walt Brown?

To go to work for them or to stay away?

  
Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2008,00:17   

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Whoa! Finland scores top marks in edmacation? But Dembski himself said in 2006:

Oh, stop gloating.  :-)

Bob

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keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2008,01:25   

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Christian AI. Dualistic AI. In Mapou's opinion, Christians are better at making AI than non-Christians. Because ... they're Christians, and they understand dualism.

Can a Christian artificial intelligence be possessed by demons?  If so, maybe this is a positive trend:

Exorcism undergoes a revival across Europe

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2008,09:34   

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-171166

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DaveScot

02/11/2008

10:12 am
DrDan

re comment #50

Exactly right. I’d written a rather detailed response to Aaron describing how the GPS system is defense related and that defense related technology workers must have a security clearance and FBI background check that is difficult for foreign born and foreign educated workers to obtain. I had a secret clearance in the past and GilDodgen (another UD author) I presume has one now. But I thought that would lead to further demands for proof of the security clearance claims which I didn’t feel like searching for so I didn’t post the comment and instead decided to make him do the legwork by asking how he arrived at the claim that exposure to ID in a high school biology class leads to a reduction in general scientific literacy. That’ll stop him cold without burdening me any further as I’m fairly confident there’s been no controlled study of ID exposure’s effect on scientific literacy and thus Aaron’s claim is without substance.


It's not secret anymore - You've just told everyone, Davetard!

:p

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OWKtree



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2008,09:38   

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Quote (The Wayward Hammer @ Feb. 10 2008,17:39)
The sad part about our decreasing engineering graduation numbers is that we are paying engineers very well due to that shortage.  My company offers bonuses to get an engineer to sign on.  

So, what's going on?  Why the shortage?

It's the same thing with geologists. I don't know about other  companies, but BP offers some sweet incentives for employees to get geology degrees.

How much you think they'd pay FTK's buddy Walt Brown?

To go to work for them or to stay away?

I think it's partially that both disciplines (geology and engineering) do not have a lot of leeway for loafing during the undergraduate years.

Both have serious mathematics requirements (4 calculus courses for undergrad engineering), hard sciences, etc. where you get it right via learning theory and application, or you flunk out.  No fuzziness.

So you buckle down and learn it, or you go elsewhere.

Basing my opinion on three factors:
a. Former engineering major (my degree is in Comp Sci.)
b. Long-time volunteer with an engineering/science social fraternity.
c. My brother is a geosciences professor in the SUNY system.  (Lots of chats about how his undergrad students are doing.)

- Kurt

  
Paul Flocken



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2008,09:44   

Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 09 2008,23:40)
If "George W. Bush" is his proper title, then why isn't "Barack H. Obama" Barack's proper title?

Because Obama is BLACK!
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DaveScot
02/08/2008
4:09 pm
Drat,

Of course there’s a reason. I’m using his full name because he’s black. I see using Hillary’s middle name too didn’t fool you any.

By the way, tard spelled backward isn’t fooling me any either. Hasta la vista, baby!

Of course he fails to explain why Condoleeza Rice, Colin Powell, George Foreman, Desmond Tutu, and Kofi Annan are not known with their middle names.  Martin Luther King Jr. and George Washington Carver weren't the only notable blacks in American history.  From a strictly muslim naming convention even Muhammed Ali did not choose a middle name that I can say I am aware of.  Then neither did Saddam Hussein, the source of the Obama bashing.  I fail to see how someone can think such transparent racism is not going to be called to the floor.

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Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2008,10:42   

Paul - didn't you know that Desmond is Tutu's middle name.  His first name is Archbishop.

And, yes, as you ask.  King is related to the swallow.

Bob

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2008,11:13   

Quote (Paul Flocken @ Feb. 11 2008,09:44)
...then why isn't "Barack H. Obama" Barack's proper title?[/quote]

Of course he fails to explain why Condoleeza Rice, Colin Powell, George Foreman, Desmond Tutu, and Kofi Annan are not known with their middle names.  Martin Luther King Jr. and George Washington Carver weren't the only notable blacks in American history.  From a strictly muslim naming convention even Muhammed Ali did not choose a middle name that I can say I am aware of.  Then neither did Saddam Hussein, the source of the Obama bashing.  I fail to see how someone can think such transparent racism is not going to be called to the floor.

Paul:  I am assuming that you have the Full Security Clearance issued to ID supporters of course.  If you do not, please pluck your eye out and throw it asway, like the bible instructs.  

Saddam Hussein's full name is

Saddam DaveScot Springer Hussein.

HTH :)

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Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

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Mister DNA



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2008,15:22   

Here's part of AtBC's/CBEB's Darwin Day Card to Uncommon Descent:


Those of you familiar with the Darwin Day is coming... saga at CBEB's will know where this is going.

I'll have more pics later.

btw, tomorrow is also my nephew's 16th birthday. I don't think he's going to believe me when I tell him the bakery misspelled "Travis".

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GCT



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2008,17:09   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 11 2008,10:34)
http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-171166

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DaveScot

02/11/2008

10:12 am
DrDan

re comment #50

Exactly right. I’d written a rather detailed response to Aaron describing how the GPS system is defense related and that defense related technology workers must have a security clearance and FBI background check that is difficult for foreign born and foreign educated workers to obtain. I had a secret clearance in the past and GilDodgen (another UD author) I presume has one now. But I thought that would lead to further demands for proof of the security clearance claims which I didn’t feel like searching for so I didn’t post the comment and instead decided to make him do the legwork by asking how he arrived at the claim that exposure to ID in a high school biology class leads to a reduction in general scientific literacy. That’ll stop him cold without burdening me any further as I’m fairly confident there’s been no controlled study of ID exposure’s effect on scientific literacy and thus Aaron’s claim is without substance.


It's not secret anymore - You've just told everyone, Davetard!

:p

Anyone else reminded of Maytag Repairman Joe's claims to be doing secret research in his basement?

Hey, how come Dembski didn't call DHS on Joe for that one? :angry:   If he was telling the truth, he was breaking the law in many, many ways.  I might be able to forgive Dembski though in that he might have realized that Joe was full of it just like everyone else did.

  
Hermagoras



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2008,18:30   

For good tard, nothing beats the fight between DaveScot, Larry Fafarman, and tribune 7 on the meaning of Ben Stein's "Bueller?" in Ferris Bueller's Day Off.  See here and following.

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Hermagoras



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2008,19:33   

larrynormanfan de-tards the Bueller:
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tribune7,
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this may be one of those things that becomes part of the culture despite what was actually said

I believe it’s called a “meme.”
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If you type Anyone? Bueller? Anyone? into Google you’ll see how common the apparently inaccurate derivatives are.

For “inaccurate derivatives” read “mutations.” For “common” read “having newly evolved functions.”


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Occam's Aftershave



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2008,20:28   

Did anyone ever hear a peep out of "The fig newton of information theory" Dembski on that list of fulfilled ID predictions he was crowing about a few weeks ago?

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2008,20:49   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Feb. 11 2008,20:28)
Did anyone ever hear a peep out of "The fig newton of information theory" Dembski on that list of fulfilled ID predictions he was crowing about a few weeks ago?

Good catch... I was wondering the same thing, but then I realized that Dembski sent the answer immediately to the Super Secret Squirell ID Lab for research, testing, and other sciencey sounding stuff.

Maybe he's waiting until he hears back from the Nobel Committee?  That's Herman Nobel, and he chairs the committee that does the admittance pass / fail  for the Baylor Cafeteria.

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2008,21:24   

Bwahahaha! Go, go, Guillermo! :D

They're mum so far at UD on this?

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2008,22:17   

I worked as a contractor for the Navy, and policy there was that everyone had to have a clearance, even people like me whose work did not involve handling classified data. One of my co-workers came to the line on the questionnaire asking about drug use. She simply wrote down the various bits of experimentation she had done in the past. She told me later in her interview, the interrogator noted that they had confirmed those incidents with folks she had known... "You've been a naughty girl," he said, "but you've been level with us and we're satisfied."

So if you're getting a clearance, it pays to be *completely* honest. It doesn't take a saint to get a clearance, but it does take a willingness to let the government know, in quite some detail, whatever might lurk in your past that could be a "lever".

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2008,22:27   

On the military side, you get clearance for showing up to basic training.  It used to be "Confidential" but now it's called something like "allowed to carry official U.S. military toilet paper".

It's nothing to crow about like you're James frickin' Bond.

"Secret" clearance, the next step up, isn't automatic but it's not all that rare, either.  It basically means "allowed to carry official U.S. military OFFICERS' toilet paper".

In my experience, the guys who brag about it

A. Should never have had it in the first place.
B. Are full of hot air.
C. Probably had to have it because they were in the same zip code as the trash compactor.
D. Are what's known as PX Rangers.

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Nomad



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2008,01:30   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Feb. 11 2008,22:17)
So if you're getting a clearance, it pays to be *completely* honest. It doesn't take a saint to get a clearance, but it does take a willingness to let the government know, in quite some detail, whatever might lurk in your past that could be a "lever".

That's actually very interesting to me.  I once read a fiction story that involved someone working for a not quite official military super secret type job.  The individual possessed certain tendencies labeled deviant by society at large, and was initially shocked to learn that his employers knew about them until he realized that they weren't passing moral judgments and would instead defend him against people looking to use that background as a means to compel him to work against them.

It's a practical approach, but I'm still a bit surprised to see the same government that brought us "don't ask, don't tell" using it.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2008,01:50   

I knew a Marine at Okinawa last year who told his bosses he only sold X maybe 5 times. When they put together a comprehensive picture of his past, and found out it was more like 100 times, yeah, that was one security clearance that didn't go through.

   
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2008,06:29   

why in hell would anyone talk straight to a military investigator?

Jarhead at door, clutching notebook:  "Sternburglar, it appears that a certain hausfrau in Kansas has claimed that she has had email sex with you for the past seven years, listing events that included virtual beastio-necro-incesto-erotica.  Is this true?  We need to know so that we can give her top super duper seeeeeeeecret access to the government ID labs at Area 51"

Steve:  "She lies.  Ask her how old science says the earth is."

Why would anyone talk straight to the jarhead with a notebook?  Unless, of course, you had a chance to pop off at the mouth regarding someone you don't really like?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2008,08:47   

Not content with being a mere Isaac Newton of information theory, Bill Dembski photoshops himself onto the picture of the 1927 Solvay Congress alongside Einstein, Bohr, Planck and the like.  No farting noises this time.



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2008,09:04   

Quote (olegt @ Feb. 12 2008,09:47)
Not content with being a mere Isaac Newton of information theory, Bill Dembski photoshops himself onto the picture of the 1927 Solvay Congress alongside Einstein, Bohr, Planck and the like.  No farting noises this time.


The wish-fulfillment in this pic is both touching and pathetic. Mostly pathetic.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2008,09:21   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 12 2008,09:04)
Quote (olegt @ Feb. 12 2008,09:47)
Not content with being a mere Isaac Newton of information theory, Bill Dembski photoshops himself onto the picture of the 1927 Solvay Congress alongside Einstein, Bohr, Planck and the like.  No farting noises this time.


The wish-fulfillment in this pic is both touching and pathetic. Mostly pathetic.

That's only touching in the sense of "Point to the doll to show where the bad man touched you."

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2008,09:27   

Quote (Maya @ Feb. 12 2008,09:21)
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 12 2008,09:04)
Quote (olegt @ Feb. 12 2008,09:47)
Not content with being a mere Isaac Newton of information theory, Bill Dembski photoshops himself onto the picture of the 1927 Solvay Congress alongside Einstein, Bohr, Planck and the like.  No farting noises this time.


The wish-fulfillment in this pic is both touching and pathetic. Mostly pathetic.

That's only touching in the sense of "Point to the doll to show where the bad man touched you."

Maya - That was beautiful.  I have tears in my eyes, and lust in my heart for you now.

ps:  WOOT - PICTURE IS OUTSTANDING!  I suggest an immediate copyright on it, as it is 100% guaranteed that this is going to be on Dembski's "Love Me Wall" in his broom closet Office at the seminary.

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olegt



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2008,09:37   

Speaking of dolls...

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2008,09:55   

Quote (olegt @ Feb. 12 2008,14:47)
Not content with being a mere Isaac Newton of information theory, Bill Dembski photoshops himself onto the picture of the 1927 Solvay Congress alongside Einstein, Bohr, Planck and the like.  No farting noises this time.


Wait....is this for REAL?

My initial reaction is: You have to be fucking shitting me!

My second reaction is not as polite, so I won't repeat it.

This is psychosis on a commitable level. Call the nice gents from the asylum, this beats a meltdown.

Louis

P.S. I've gone and looked and it seems to be by Galapagos Finch, whoever that is. Still freaky shit.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2008,09:58   

The consensus is that Finch is Dembski's alter-ego.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2008,10:01   

Quote (J-Dog @ Feb. 12 2008,09:27)
Quote (Maya @ Feb. 12 2008,09:21)
That's only touching in the sense of "Point to the doll to show where the bad man touched you."

Maya - That was beautiful.  I have tears in my eyes, and lust in my heart for you now.

You guys have that lust center located very close to the humor center in your brains.   :p

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2008,10:08   

Quote (Maya @ Feb. 12 2008,10:01)
Quote (J-Dog @ Feb. 12 2008,09:27)
 
Quote (Maya @ Feb. 12 2008,09:21)
That's only touching in the sense of "Point to the doll to show where the bad man touched you."

Maya - That was beautiful.  I have tears in my eyes, and lust in my heart for you now.

You guys have that lust center located very close to the humor center in your brains.   :p

err....I think my humor center is located just a little lower than my brain...

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Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2008,10:08   

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Speaking of dolls...

MMMmmm more dolls

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