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keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,02:26   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Sep. 05 2007,06:42)
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P.S. I was Karl Pfluger. Those were good times.

Oh, Wow!

Which one of you is Tom English?

Tom was real. At the time, he was writing a book chapter entitled "Intelligent Design and Evolutionary Computation", so those threads at UD were right up his alley. I've been keeping an eye out for the book, which is titled "Evolutionary Design", but I don't think it's been published yet.

Meanwhile, poor Gil is still struggling with computers:  
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Argghhh! HTML is a menace.


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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,03:42   

GilDodgen is a scary tard considering he's having issues with simple html  

     
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Euler was one clever dude.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler?s_identity


     
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Argghhh! HTML is a menace. Try this:

http://tinyurl.com/ysybq

From the Wiki article:

   A reader poll conducted by Mathematical Intelligencer named the [Euler] identity as the most beautiful theorem in mathematics.


     
Quote (GilDodgesJanieBelle @ 09/04/2007 11:01 pm)
BTW, I?m now using a finite element analysis program (LS-DYNA) in my work in aerospace research and development. It models the laws of physics and material properties purely mathematically, and produces amazing results in real-world applications.


Dear Gil,

In the interest of informed consent, please post a list of all flying vehicles upon which you may have worked.

kthanxbye

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,03:54   

Rude is a tard

 
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The formalist wants a world of logic stripped of all meaning, just as the postmodernist wants a world of meaning stripped of all logic. Intelligent Design is invested in both worlds...


Sig worthy.

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Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

   
Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,06:30   

Baylor is in the news at the Chronicle of Higher Ed again, although this time it may not be relevant to ID martyrdom. Sounds interesting anyway.

"Controversial Book About Baylor U., Rejected by Its Press, Finds Another Publisher" is available online at this site

Here's the money quote - "It's about Christian higher education," he said of the book, "and the experiment that Baylor is going through to see if there can be a Christian research university."

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,06:51   

Quote (keiths @ Sep. 06 2007,03:26)
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Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Sep. 05 2007,06:42)
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Quote (keiths @ Sep. 04 2007,23:45)
P.S. I was Karl Pfluger. Those were good times.

Oh, Wow!

Which one of you is Tom English?

Tom was real. At the time, he was writing a book chapter entitled "Intelligent Design and Evolutionary Computation", so those threads at UD were right up his alley. I've been keeping an eye out for the book, which is titled "Evolutionary Design", but I don't think it's been published yet.

Meanwhile, poor Gil is still struggling with computers: ? ?  
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Argghhh! HTML is a menace.

UD even went to the trouble of distinguishing Tom from another Tom English who was tangentially involved in the debate. During the simulation interchange I visited Tom's site and looked through some of his papers - impressive work. For me, he had solid gold credibility in that discussion.

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,07:44   

WAD on September 6, 2007:

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(3) To compare Robert Marks's Evolutionary Informatics Lab with other Baylor centers or institutes is highly misleading.

...the Baylor administration went into Robert Marks's personal webspace...solely because anonymous (i.e., to this point unnamed) critics linked the research of the lab to intelligent design.


WAD in on New Year's day, 2007:

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2007 Buckle your safety belts!
William Dembski

Happy New Year to all UD regulars. I expect 2007 to be a bang-up year for ID. Here are three things in particular I'm looking forward to in the coming year:

1. A new ID friendly research center at a major university. (This is not merely an idle wish - stay tuned.)

Oh my.

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,08:33   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Sep. 06 2007,03:54)
Rude is a tard

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The formalist wants a world of logic stripped of all meaning, just as the postmodernist wants a world of meaning stripped of all logic. Intelligent Design is invested in both worlds...


Sig worthy.

So Intelligent Design wants a world stripped of all meaning and all logic. Nice of him to admit it.

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heddle



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,08:39   

What was the lab that the informatics lab at Baylor was supposed to trounce? Is there a reference to that comment on UD?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,08:44   

The lab I work in at MSU, the Digital Evolution Laboratory.

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Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,09:15   

Well, at least one designed function of Dr. Dr. Dembski's blog seems to be working well.  From FtK's blog  
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I just ordered a copy of Denyse O'Leary's latest book, The Spiritual Brain: A Neuroscientist's Case for the Existence of the Soul.

Unfortunately Dr. Dr. D probably won't get a nickel from this sale. Hope his new book comes out soon!

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Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind
Has been obligated from the beginning
To create an ordered universe
As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.
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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,10:15   

only-semi-tard

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ID is entwined with YEC so anytime ID raises its head it is the same as YEC raising its head. Despite the protestations that ID is not YEC, it is so closely identified with it that for all practical purposes they are the same. If all the YEC proponents left this site, it would wither and die.


maybe this feller has a point.  the baylor flap is all about YEC, and until ID breaks up the big tent they won't get no respect?

i'd be tickled shitless to see this happen, but we all know for expedient political reasons it never will.

Side Note, which one of you was this?

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

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Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,10:45   

Erasmus - I think jerry is one of their regular tards.

I'm hoping someone tried to argue against his comment.  The next post is about an article in the Lebanon Daily News which includes this bit of hard-core science:
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I?m confident that in the not-to-distant future the information-revolution will sound the death knell for Darwinism. The hard evidence of technology will shake the pillars of evolutionary theory and toss them into the dustbin of history. When America restores true Bible science and accountability to our Creator God into our political and educational institutions, we?ll have taken a giant step toward healthier national character and the prevention of crime, life without purpose and the consequences of our condom culture.

Condom culture? What a dick.

Bob

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,10:47   

Deep FCD Mole at UD? ?

Who is this DLH that has posting privaleges? ?Who is this DLH that did not get the memo that ID is NOT about God???

The link at UD goes to a Lebanon PA paper, and purports to be a letter to the editor from a "Homer Snavely".

Because nothing says ID is science better than quotes from teh bible. :)

Funny, Fundy Stufff!

http://www.uncommondescent.com/darwini....-design

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
Altabin



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,10:48   

[Been away for a while, but nothing seems to have changed...]

DLH (who he?) is very excited about the media attention ID is getting.  Apparently, it's only a matter of time before ID ... um, does what exactly? Anyway, the Lebanon Daily News (that's Lebanon PA, just 50 miles from Dover, folks!) writes:
     
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In the words of the brilliant investigative-journalist and four-time Gold Medallion winner, Lee Strobel,

?My road to atheism was paved by science ? but, ironically science became my later journey to God.?

The public needs enlightenment on the truth of intelligent design as increasing numbers of the world?s greatest scientists are yielding to the compelling and mounting evidence of this burgeoning movement. In recent years the erroneous teaching of Darwinism and life by random chance is becoming unraveled and exposing itself for what it really is: a bankrupt philosophy masquerading as a science with the aid of fake fossil mills loose in the world.

Golly, three cheers indeed for an editor with courage, as DLH says!

Couple of tiny points, though.  First, this isn't the editorial, but just some random nutjob writing to the editor.

And for all his admiration of editorial courage, it's funny that DLH didn't have the cajones himself to quote the rest of the piece:
   
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I?m confident that in the not-to-distant future the information-revolution will sound the death knell for Darwinism. The hard evidence of technology will shake the pillars of evolutionary theory and toss them into the dustbin of history. When America restores true Bible science and accountability to our Creator God into our political and educational institutions, we?ll have taken a giant step toward healthier national character and the prevention of crime, life without purpose and the consequences of our condom culture.

One can only scratch the surface of the marvels of Intelligent Design:

? Our brain?s impulses firing at 10 billion times per second;

? The fine tuning and interconnected processes that orchestrate our universe;

? The consciousness of the mind, made in God?s image, fitted for laughing, loving and weeping;

? Our body?s 100 trillion cells and the incredible activity inside each one, including artificial languages, decoding systems, DNA and memory banks.

Hundreds of cases in point are limited by time and space. But as Psalm 139:14 states, ?Thou art fearfully and wonderfully made.? And in the words of Jesus, ?The very hairs of your head are numbered.? ? Matthew 10:30.

Nevertheless, true Bible Science ID has nothing to do with religion.

Edit: Dammit, beaten to the punch!

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,10:53   

Quote (Altabin @ Sep. 06 2007,10:48)
Nevertheless, true Bible Science ID has nothing to do with religion.

Edit: Dammit, beaten to the punch!

Altaban - Great Minds Travel The Same Paths!

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,10:56   

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a bankrupt philosophy masquerading as a science with the aid of fake fossil mills loose in the world.


Do you think UD will tackle the controversial issue of all those 'fake fossil mills' we run? I sure hope so!

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,10:57   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Sep. 06 2007,10:15)
only-semi-tard

 
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ID is entwined with YEC so anytime ID raises its head it is the same as YEC raising its head. Despite the protestations that ID is not YEC, it is so closely identified with it that for all practical purposes they are the same. If all the YEC proponents left this site, it would wither and die.


maybe this feller has a point. ?the baylor flap is all about YEC, and until ID breaks up the big tent they won't get no respect?

i'd be tickled shitless to see this happen, but we all know for expedient political reasons it never will.

Side Note, which one of you was this?

Big Bill hisself smacks down Jerry for not reading the memo:

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William Dembski
09/06/2007
10:51 am
This is not about YEC. The Baylor administration has been dealing with this issue long enough. They are coming down on ID as ID.


In other news, we've always been at war with Eastasia.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,10:59   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Sep. 06 2007,10:15)
only-semi-tard

 
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ID is entwined with YEC so anytime ID raises its head it is the same as YEC raising its head. Despite the protestations that ID is not YEC, it is so closely identified with it that for all practical purposes they are the same. If all the YEC proponents left this site, it would wither and die.


maybe this feller has a point. ?the baylor flap is all about YEC, and until ID breaks up the big tent they won't get no respect?

i'd be tickled shitless to see this happen, but we all know for expedient political reasons it never will.

Side Note, which one of you was this?

Your buddy Jerry gets slapped around by Old Bill Hisself!

He might be an old-timer, but he must still Fear The Fists Of ID Theory! ?

ID=ID, not YEC says Dr. Dr. Bill. ? He must be
this close to firing up the Magic Bannnanator Button!

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Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,11:01   

what a queer millennial eschatology.  ID will save souls and straighten Amurrika out on her path to redeeming the world.  

*2 minute hate timeout*

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Altabin



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,11:04   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 06 2007,17:56)
 
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a bankrupt philosophy masquerading as a science with the aid of fake fossil mills loose in the world.


Do you think UD will tackle the controversial issue of all those 'fake fossil mills' we run? I sure hope so!

I want to know how it's going to deal with the "condom culture."

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,11:10   

Quote (Altabin @ Sep. 06 2007,11:04)
I want to know how it's going to deal with the "condom culture."

With an appropriate combination of antibiotics?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,11:15   

Quote (Altabin @ Sep. 06 2007,11:04)
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I want to know how it's going to deal with the "condom culture."

#1.  Buy more.
#2.  Keep testing

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,11:31   

Quote (Altabin @ Sep. 06 2007,11:04)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 06 2007,17:56)
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a bankrupt philosophy masquerading as a science with the aid of fake fossil mills loose in the world.


Do you think UD will tackle the controversial issue of all those 'fake fossil mills' we run? I sure hope so!

I want to know how it's going to deal with the "condom culture."

Apparently, 'condom culture' is a fundie buzzword. It gets 1,230 google hits as a phrase.

Might make a good band name, too.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,11:39   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 06 2007,17:31)
Quote (Altabin @ Sep. 06 2007,11:04)
 
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 06 2007,17:56)
? ?
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a bankrupt philosophy masquerading as a science with the aid of fake fossil mills loose in the world.


Do you think UD will tackle the controversial issue of all those 'fake fossil mills' we run? I sure hope so!

I want to know how it's going to deal with the "condom culture."

Apparently, 'condom culture' is a fundie buzzword. It gets 1,230 google hits as a phrase.

Might make a good band name, too.

"WE ARE CONDOM CULTURE!!!! HOW YOU FEELIN' SAN DIEGO!!!!"

"Slightly rubbery and desensitised thank you"

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,11:40   

Quote (J-Dog @ Sep. 06 2007,17:15)
Quote (Altabin @ Sep. 06 2007,11:04)
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I want to know how it's going to deal with the "condom culture."

#1. ?Buy more.
#2. ?Keep testing

Finally! A solution I can get behind....

.....erm what I mean is......

Forget it.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,11:47   

Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 06 2007,19:10)
Quote (Altabin @ Sep. 06 2007,11:04)
I want to know how it's going to deal with the "condom culture."

With an appropriate combination of antibiotics?

Anti buttocks ? what have you got against them?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,11:49   

Quote (J-Dog @ Sep. 06 2007,11:15)
 
Quote (Altabin @ Sep. 06 2007,11:04)
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I want to know how it's going to deal with the "condom culture."

#1.  Buy more.
#2.  Keep testing

Definitely. Science has a lot to offer for the condom culture. By sheer coincidence, my brother works at Family Health International, a place in the Research Triangle that operates, among other things, a condom testing lab. He promised me a tour the next time I visited Carrboro. And the company is mentioned in this interesting article from Reuters, indicating that the condom culture is global...

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,12:24   

Quote (k.e @ Sep. 05 2007,23:38)
Now that the Dr Dr. Wad of Id has found his inner voice maybe he and Dr Berlinski Berlinski (who famously interviewed himself for some puff piece) could interview each other.

..I imagine it would go like this.

WAD: Now Dr Dembski, the recent controversy that you have been involved in, was brought to prominence through the mainstream press was it not?
WAD: Yes Dr Dembski, that is correct.
Dr.B: Am I an incorrigible DI fellow?
Dr.B: Yes and you are an outside the box radical thinker:
Dr.B: Why that's very nice of you. Do you really think so?
WAD: Is it my turn again?
WAD: Yes
WAD: Do you think the latest mistakes by the Darwinist old guard at Baylor will be a boost for ID?
WAD: Absolutly, one more mistake like that and Darwinism is finished.
Dr.B: How is your love life now that you have found god?
Dr.B: That?s a rather delicate question I don't think I should answer that.
Dr.B: Why not? You were at an existential dead end last time we talked.
Dr.B: I think we should end this interview.
Dr.B: But Dr Dembski is still here.
Dr.B: Is he?
WAD: Is who?
WAD: You, you idiot.

:D JzHC, I'm trying to catch up with all this and my coffee is running out of my eyes! I'm beginning to think that everyone at UD is a sock puppet of someone here! This cannot be happening.

Something about k.e. reminds me of Benjamin Peret!

Permission to forward dialogue to musician to set to music for musical. :)

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,12:32   

tard

apparently 3 UD posts, 1 Baptist Press post and 1 World Magazine post count as 'Media Coverage'

Leach the Controversy!!!

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

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I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
Altabin



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2007,12:41   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Sep. 06 2007,19:32)
tard

apparently 3 UD posts, 1 Baptist Press post and 1 World Magazine post count as 'Media Coverage'

Leach the Controversy!!!

Give Dr Rev Dr Dembski a break.  At least he didn't begin his post with a self-referential:

September 6, 2007: "MEDIA COVERAGE: Baylor, Robert Marks, and the Evolutionary Informatics Lab."  The widely-read Uncommon Descent weblog surveys the recent coverage of this issue in the media.

Though that would have upped the media feeding frenzy to eight articles (only half of which were from his own blog).

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