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Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 28 2007,23:02    Quote I am not sure I totally agree. My recollection of the stillborn offer to debate Barbara Forrest was that he would accept only as much honoraria as was offered the other participants, with the implication that he was open to doing it for free. hmm, really?  I'd like to clear that up for sure, since money does seem to be a serious issue when dembski is asked for his testimony, for example, and I have seen it arise in other "debate" issues as well. if you find clarification on that, and you feel like it, would you go ahead and post it here? Quote a bunch of unwarranted death threats is a bit beyond street theater. I keep wondering if Dembski thinks that's true. remember some of the disturbing things he and Sal had to say during the whole "vise strategy" thing? -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 28 2007,23:03    Quote (Ichthyic @ May 28 2007,21:48) Quote (stevestory @ May 28 2007,20:26) Quote (Ichthyic @ May 28 2007,21:13) If he offers to do it completely for free, and at Avalos' university, I'll be shocked, to say the least. Whatever endocrinological systems of yours would most suffer from that sort of shock can rest easy. There is not a cloud on the horizon. hmm, it makes me kind of hope he does offer it for free and under the conditions Avalos specifies. I am all of a sudden kinda curious as to which endocrine systems would be affected, now that you mention it. "Oh my, I do believe I got the vapors!" After I wrote that, I realized I've been reading too much Wodehouse lately. There's a certain whimsy which is creeping into my tone.

"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank Posts: 2560 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 28 2007,23:10    Quote (carlsonjok @ May 28 2007,22:18) The whole Gonzalez-Avalos deal is the first time, IMO, that he has put more than a half-assed effort into his contributions there. He sees himself as an impact player and strives for a larger stage than UD and SWBTS can ever offer.  After his complete failure to ensnare Forrest into "Vise Strategy: Part Deux", the Gonzalez tenure denial is the first thing that looks like a casus belli. Alas, the sad reality is that ID is dead, Dr Dr Dembski is a nobody, and the rest of the world doesn't give a flying fig what Dr Dr Dembski (or any other IDer) says.  (shrug) -------------- Editor, Red and Black Publishers www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 29 2007,00:36    This is the text of WmAD's offer: Quote http://www.uncommondescent.com/evoluti....-123025 By the way, my wife is from Iowa, and I get up there now and again. I’d be happy to debate you at ISU if you’re up for it. My one condition is that I have as much uninterrupted time to present my case as you do yours. The title of my talk would be “How to be an intellectually fulfilled atheist.” I would read that as saying that "getting paid" is not a condition. Bob -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 29 2007,02:26    Quote The title of my talk would be “How to be an intellectually fulfilled atheist.” wait... that would be the title of DEMBSKI'S talk ?? ahh, i see.  He's not serious.  read the rest of the post. he's trying to be ironic and witty. -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 29 2007,05:38    Quote (Bob O'H @ May 29 2007,00:36) This is the text of WmAD's offer:     Quote http://www.uncommondescent.com/evoluti....-123025 By the way, my wife is from Iowa, and I get up there now and again. I’d be happy to debate you at ISU if you’re up for it. My one condition is that I have as much uninterrupted time to present my case as you do yours. The title of my talk would be “How to be an intellectually fulfilled atheist.” I would read that as saying that "getting paid" is not a condition. Bob This is all "I'm an angry prick" and should be disregarded. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 29 2007,06:20    Quote (Ichthyic @ May 28 2007,20:25) Quote A way to recapture some of the limelight, if you will. that, and a way to score some quick cash. http://www.fteonline.com/publications-video.php 1 copies of Of Pandas and People 1 copies of Evolution as Dogma 1 copies of Darwinism: Science or Philosophy 1 copies of Darwin on Trial 1 copies of Defeating Darwinism 1 copies of The Wedge of Truth 1 copies of Darwin’s Black Box 1 copies of The Design Inference 1 copies of Intelligent Design: The Bridge Between Science... 1 copies of Mere Creation 1 copies of The Design Revolution 1 copies of No Free Lunch 1 copies of Uncommon Dissent 1 copies of Darwin’s Nemesis 1 copies of What’s Darwin Got to Do With It? 1 copies of Icons of Evolution - Book 1 copies of Unlocking The Mystery Of Life 1 copies of The Privileged Planet - Movie 1 copies of Icons of Evolution - Movie Total Before Shipping = $379.40 Total Shipping = $18.50 Total Tax = $0 Overall Total = $397.90 --------------------------- Actual Value = $0.00 -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

franky172 Posts: 160 Joined: Jan. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 29 2007,09:14    KairosFocus and Phevans are going at it over on the "Sewell's law" (snicker) thread. KairosFocus would like to argue points that aren't being discussed.  A new prince tard?

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 29 2007,09:18    Quote (franky172 @ May 29 2007,09:14) KairosFocus and Phevans are going at it over on the "Sewell's law" (snicker) thread. KairosFocus would like to argue points that aren't being discussed.  A new prince tard? Ah, "design of the gaps" - retreating backwards as each point is refuted. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 29 2007,09:25    Quote (franky172 @ May 29 2007,09:14) KairosFocus and Phevans are going at it over on the "Sewell's law" (snicker) thread. KairosFocus would like to argue points that aren't being discussed.  A new prince tard? Boringagain77 adds   Quote The overall functionality of the yeast is decreased in its normal environment, thus when the stress is removed from the mutant yeast, the original yeast will be favored by selection over the mutant yeast. Clearly you have not demonstrated a gain in information since you have not “built a better overall yeast” that will be favored by selection. Um, what if you don't remove the stress from the mutant yeast? Does that disprove ID? Don't enviroments ever change? erm.... he (it?) adds   Quote Gene duplication, polyploidy, insertions, etc. do not help — they represent an increase in amount of DNA, but not an increase in the amount of functional genetic information—these create nothing new. Um, would this be the complex specified information that you  cannot quantify? And DS admits you cannot? errrr.... -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 29 2007,09:27    Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ May 29 2007,09:25) Quote (franky172 @ May 29 2007,09:14) KairosFocus and Phevans are going at it over on the "Sewell's law" (snicker) thread. KairosFocus would like to argue points that aren't being discussed.  A new prince tard? Boringagain77 adds   Quote The overall functionality of the yeast is decreased in its normal environment, thus when the stress is removed from the mutant yeast, the original yeast will be favored by selection over the mutant yeast. Clearly you have not demonstrated a gain in information since you have not “built a better overall yeast” that will be favored by selection. Um, what if you don't remove the stress from the mutant yeast? Does that disprove ID? Don't enviroments ever change? erm.... he (it?) adds   Quote Gene duplication, polyploidy, insertions, etc. do not help — they represent an increase in amount of DNA, but not an increase in the amount of functional genetic information—these create nothing new. Um, would this be the complex specified information that you  cannot quantify? And DS admits you cannot? errrr.... Does the copied gene give redundancy? If so that is a new function, with new information... -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 29 2007,09:28    Quote (Richardthughes @ May 29 2007,09:18) Quote (franky172 @ May 29 2007,09:14) KairosFocus and Phevans are going at it over on the "Sewell's law" (snicker) thread. KairosFocus would like to argue points that aren't being discussed.  A new prince tard? Ah, "design of the gaps" - retreating backwards as each point is refuted. Quick, somebody grab the goalposts!  They're headed for the parking lot! -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

franky172 Posts: 160 Joined: Jan. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 29 2007,10:16    Quote (Richardthughes @ May 29 2007,09:27) Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ May 29 2007,09:25)   Quote (franky172 @ May 29 2007,09:14) KairosFocus and Phevans are going at it over on the "Sewell's law" (snicker) thread. KairosFocus would like to argue points that aren't being discussed.  A new prince tard? Boringagain77 adds     Quote The overall functionality of the yeast is decreased in its normal environment, thus when the stress is removed from the mutant yeast, the original yeast will be favored by selection over the mutant yeast. Clearly you have not demonstrated a gain in information since you have not “built a better overall yeast” that will be favored by selection. Um, what if you don't remove the stress from the mutant yeast? Does that disprove ID? Don't enviroments ever change? erm.... he (it?) adds     Quote Gene duplication, polyploidy, insertions, etc. do not help — they represent an increase in amount of DNA, but not an increase in the amount of functional genetic information—these create nothing new. Um, would this be the complex specified information that you  cannot quantify? And DS admits you cannot? errrr.... Does the copied gene give redundancy? If so that is a new function, with new information... Obviously KairosFocus and BornAgain are ignorant of the large number of beneficial mutations that have been observed. That's OK. We're all ignorant about some things, I just choose not to spout off about those things I am ignorant of.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 29 2007,11:59    http://barrettbrown.blogspot.com/2007....se.html

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 29 2007,14:07    Quote Actual Value = $0.00 I see a MasterCard commercial floating in there somewhere... -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 29 2007,14:10    http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-museum Quote I have little use for creation museums, but way, way less use for self-regarding, overaged art twerps who pretend superiority to millions of people who do real jobs for a living. So, I thought, Die. Twerp. Die. Before the cat gets you. Is it common for irony meters to gently melt into a puddle of molten metal? Bob -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 29 2007,14:18    Bob, Yours merely melted? Wow! Let me know your brand! Mine just fused a city block and burnt my house down. Louis -------------- Bye.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 29 2007,14:45    Quote (Bob O'H @ May 29 2007,14:10) http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-museum   Quote I have little use for creation museums, but way, way less use for self-regarding, overaged art twerps who pretend superiority to millions of people who do real jobs for a living. So, I thought, Die. Twerp. Die. Before the cat gets you. Is it common for irony meters to gently melt into a puddle of molten metal? Bob Quote who pretend superiority to millions of people who do real jobs for a living. O'Leary apparently does not own a mirror. Quote Die. Twerp. Die. Before the cat gets you. WTF? O'Leary's hidden violent side? -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 29 2007,14:48    Quote (Bob O'H @ May 29 2007,14:10) http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-museum   Quote I have little use for creation museums, but way, way less use for self-regarding, overaged art twerps who pretend superiority to millions of people who do real jobs for a living. So, I thought, Die. Twerp. Die. Before the cat gets you. Is it common for irony meters to gently melt into a puddle of molten metal? Bob WOW!  Denyse REALLY goes after Kristine's "Witch" title, and I think we are actually viewing the Good Witch - Bad Witch dichotomy: Kristine as The Good Witch - To view Denyse as The Bad Witch, you will have to click the link - I don't want to ruin anyone's appetite - http://img104.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wickedwitchow6.png -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 29 2007,14:50    Quote (J-Dog @ May 29 2007,14:48) Kristine as The Good Witch - DO WANT -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

jeannot Posts: 1201 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 29 2007,14:51    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 29 2007,14:45) Quote Die. Twerp. Die. Before the cat gets you. WTF? O'Leary's hidden violent side? Who is she talking to? Scientists?  :O

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 29 2007,14:56    DON'T WANT -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 29 2007,17:50    Quote (Bob O'H @ May 29 2007,14:10) http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-museum           Quote I have little use for creation museums, but way, way less use for self-regarding, overaged art twerps who pretend superiority to millions of people who do real jobs for a living. So, I thought, Die. Twerp. Die. Before the cat gets you. Is it common for irony meters to gently melt into a puddle of molten metal? Bob I've memorized all of the algorithms employed by my most accurate meter and now detect irony by pure mentation.  I'm through replacing all this expensive hardware. I now turn my gaze upon Uncommonly Denyse's latest post. I see. "Overaged." Mmmm..  "Twerp." Huh?  "Self regarding?" Uhh... "REAL work for a living"  Wha....? ...and.... ...and....and...and... ....and...ahhh...AARRRGGGGG....GaKK...gik...gOk...kkKkkGiK -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 29 2007,18:01    let the above act as a warning... oh, and btw, did I mention i now sell irony divining rods? -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 29 2007,18:16    ALRIGHT!  Everbody better fucking stand back!  No, BACK.  WAY BACK!  I'M SERIOUS.  Now drop your visors and put in your ear protection!  ASSUME THE POSITION.         Quote I have little use for creation museums, but way, way less use for self-regarding, overaged art twerps who pretend superiority to millions of people who do real jobs for a living. Rothstein was born in 1952.  He turns/turned 55 on his birthday this year. Uncommonly Denyse is 57. GAAAAAA.... I FUCKING WARNED YOU.... Who's going to clean this up? -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 29 2007,18:30    Quote Who's going to clean this up? nurse Bettinke? -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

phonon Posts: 396 Joined: Nov. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 29 2007,18:33    http://www.uncommondescent.com/off-top....re-2373 DaveScot   Quote I was reading the 2007 IPCC report’s 2007 Physical Science Basis and it came as a surprise how much variance there is from year to year in how atmospheric CO2 increases. Translation: "Yeah, I actually did some reading and I realized that I don't really know enough about global warming to draw the sweeping conclusions I have drawn in the past, so based on this new information, let me make a few sweeping conclusions."   Quote t seems like it might be much more economically viable and beneficially desirable to pursue reforestation instead of reducing CO2 emissions. Why even bother if CO2 has nothing to do with global warming? And I'm not sure where he got the 100% figure, but CO2 obviously doesn't reduce by 100% before it increases by 100% and it obviously doesn't double year to year. -------------- With most men, unbelief in one thing springs from blind belief in another. - Georg Christoph Lichtenberg To do just the opposite is also a form of imitation. - Georg Christoph Lichtenberg

C.J.O'Brien Posts: 395 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 29 2007,18:36    S Wakefield Tolbert: Quote Richard Dawkins may know science, but he looks like a child fiddling with crayloa crayons when pondering the nature of God and Church and the interrelations of these to science. LOL. That's so precious, I don't even mind or hardly notice the scorch marks from yet another irony-meter-related little oopsy. So do we all, SWT, so do we all. -------------- The is the beauty of being me- anything that any man does I can understand. --Joe G

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 29 2007,18:37    Quote And I'm not sure where he got the 100% figure he has a VERY large rectum.  fits both all the information he posts on UD, as well as his oversized head, with room to spare. -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 29 2007,18:39    Quote (Ichthyic @ May 29 2007,18:37) Quote And I'm not sure where he got the 100% figure he has a VERY large rectum.  fits both all the information he posts on UD, as well as his oversized head, with room to spare. LOL, thanks for that. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

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