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Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 16 2009,18:42    I have just been watching a new series on the BBC called Earth: The Climate Wars. Dr Iain Stewart is doing a smack down on the climate change skeptics and making a damned good job of it in plain language. The similarities to ID tactics is like deja vu. I thought it might be of interest here, if the link works. Parts 1&2 are up and part 3 due in a day or two.   http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer...._Begins Not sure about access outside the UK. :(  Damn! Messed the title up. :angry:

Peter Henderson Posts: 298 Joined: Aug. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 21 2009,18:35    Iain Stewart is superb as an orator for science Stephen. His earlier series, Journeys to the centre of the Earth and Journeys to the ring of fire are both excellent, and great geology lessons. However, this has been making the headlines in the UK recently: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth....ms.html Quote "On the face of it, looks like the raw data was being manipulated in order to prove what they wanted to prove," said Lord Lawson, Margaret Thatcher's former chancellor who has reinvented himself as a critic of climate change science. "They were talking about destroying various files in order to prevent data being revealed under the Freedom of Information Act and they were trying to prevent other dissenting scientists from having their articles published in learned journals. "It may be that there's an innocent explanation for all this... but there needs to be a fundamental independent inquiry to get at the truth."

Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 21 2009,19:29    Non-Britian, non-view. -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2009,00:26    Quote (Dr.GH @ Dec. 21 2009,19:29) Non-Britian, non-view. If you really want, proxy: http://hurwi.net/blog/?p=28 -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Jim_Wynne Posts: 1208 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2009,11:58    Quote (Peter Henderson @ Dec. 21 2009,18:35) Iain Stewart is superb as an orator for science Stephen. Who is science Stephen?   -------------- Evolution is not about laws but about randomness on happanchance.--Robert Byers, at PT

studio Posts: 2 Joined: Jan. 2010 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 13 2010,15:16    Not sure where to post this, as this does relate. Please direct me if this is not appropriate: There is a LIVE Weekly Study on this topic, where you can watch streaming live and ask your questions via a chat box. And they will ask your question LIVE!  It's called "Evolution Vs. Creation" it is good.  You can be heard! View it Weekly on Wednesdays @ 7:10 pm (EST) here's the link:  http://bit.ly/8zmgiG You'll like it!  :)

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 13 2010,15:19    That translates to this really long URL: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/faithmc.com Can't imagine why anyone would want to disguise it. -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 13 2010,15:31    lol, Jesusspambot posted that same comment on the Explore Evolution thread. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 13 2010,16:37    Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 13 2010,15:31) lol, Jesusspambot posted that same comment on the Explore Evolution thread. That's not a Jesusspambot!   That's a desperate attempt for extra credit from Dr. Dr.'s "ID For Pfun and Prophet" class! (They must have forgotten to Buy one / all of Dembski's books). -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 02 2010,09:58    http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2010....-change Quote The  climate panel was created in 1988 under United Nations auspices to periodically review factors, human and natural, influencing climate and assess possible ways to limit risks. While it shared the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize, it has been under fire in recent weeks over disclosures of errors and unsubstantiated conclusions in its reports and charges of potential conflicts of interest. Some of the pressure is coming from within the leadership of the group. In e-mail exchanges and phone conversations with half a dozen panel authors over the last few days, it became evident that there is a split. Some panel scientists feel the recent disclosures about unsubstantiated predictions of  the vanishing of Himalayan glaciers, debate over  statements made about disasters and climate and other issues will blow over. Others see a clear need for an open exploration of ways to add more transparency and objectivity on top of the many steps taken in two decades of work. -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

dhogaza Posts: 525 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 02 2010,14:25    Quote Some panel scientists feel the recent disclosures about unsubstantiated predictions of  the vanishing of Himalayan glaciers Ugh, I guess I need to start getting used to that kind of misrepresentation from Revkin. The Himalayan glacier error was made by working group II, which deals with impacts of climate change, not climate science per se.  The science summary is done by working group I, and their report didn't mention the poorly-resourced WWF report cited by WGII. Which is why the bogus 2035 number didn't make it into the Summary for Policy Makers.  The wording on glaciers for the SPM was vetted by the glaciologists of WGI. There are no "unsubstantiated predictions" in the physical science chapter of AR4, nor in the SPM, and it's the SPM that's most used.  WG II cited a report that contained an error.  The error was spotted, but not reported directly to the editor of that portion of WG II, but to an intermediary and apparently never got forwarded on.

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 02 2010,14:28    The problem is in the politics. How many people can distinguish between the working groups or even know what that means? -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

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