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JonF Posts: 634 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2015,13:18    Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,13:18) Quote (JohnW @ June 24 2015,12:15)   Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,10:06)   Quote (JohnW @ June 24 2015,12:05)     Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,10:01)     Quote (JohnW @ June 24 2015,12:00)       Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,09:55) https://www.mathsisfun.com/definit....ty.html http://home.avvanta.com/~math......ability https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki.......ability So where is your reference defining probability as "something that has a chance", caekboy?  It's none of those. First link: Probability is the chance that something will happen - Dumbass Johnny strikes again "The chance that something will happen" and "something that has a chance" have different meanings, at least in English.  In Joeish, who knows? P,lease explain the alleged differences. Your say-so isn't any good and we all know that you are a piece-of-shit loser OK, Joe.  I forgot the level of education I was dealing with here. "The chance that something will happen" is a decent definition of probability, as in  The probability that Joe will admit he is wrong, based on empirical evidence, is zero. But if probability is "something that has a chance"?  That would mean that probability is the thing having the chance to occur, not the chance itself.  So in the above sentence, the probability would be "Joe admitting he is wrong," not "zero."  Which makes no sense to anyone, except possibly you. Have you got that now, or would you like me to try again with shorter words? LoL! Thankfully you aren't a teacher. If something has a chance that would mean there is a chance that it will happen. Yeah, Joey, really you should learn English. One of the chances that an event can have is impossibility, probability zero. Your own references, four of 'em so far, refute you .  Every one. Quote That means "The chance that something will happen" is the same as "something that has a chance". Not if the chance that the event will happen is zero, which all your references clearly state is possible.

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2015,13:20    Quote (JonF @ June 24 2015,11:13) Words fail me. Take a leaf from Joe's book, Jon.  Redefine them. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2015,13:20    Quote (JonF @ June 24 2015,13:10) Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,12:55) https://www.mathsisfun.com/definit....ty.html "Probability is the chance that something will happen - how likely it is that some event will happen. Sometimes you can measure a probability with a number like "10% chance of rain", or you can use words such as impossible, unlikely, possible, even chance, likely and certain."  I.e between zero and one inclusive, and zero is a valid probability.     Quote http://home.avvanta.com/~math......ability "Probability is the measure of the likeliness that an event will occur.[1] Probability is quantified as a number between 0 and 1 (where 0 indicates impossibility and 1 indicates certainty)." I.e between zero and one inclusive, and zero is a valid probability.   Quote URL=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki.......ability[/URL] "Probability is the likelihood of something happening in the future. It is expressed as a number between zero (can never happen) to 1 (will always happen)." I.e between zero and one inclusive, and zero is a valid probability. Impossible things are not probable and they do not have a probability. Zero probability relates to that which is statistically impossible but not impossible in reality. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2015,13:20    Quote (JohnW @ June 24 2015,13:20) Quote (JonF @ June 24 2015,11:13) Words fail me. Take a leaf from Joe's book, Jon.  Redefine them. That's your job, Johnny, to redefine words. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2015,13:21    Quote (JonF @ June 24 2015,13:18) Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,13:18)   Quote (JohnW @ June 24 2015,12:15)   Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,10:06)     Quote (JohnW @ June 24 2015,12:05)     Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,10:01)       Quote (JohnW @ June 24 2015,12:00)       Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,09:55) https://www.mathsisfun.com/definit....ty.html http://home.avvanta.com/~math......ability https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki.......ability So where is your reference defining probability as "something that has a chance", caekboy?  It's none of those. First link: Probability is the chance that something will happen - Dumbass Johnny strikes again "The chance that something will happen" and "something that has a chance" have different meanings, at least in English.  In Joeish, who knows? P,lease explain the alleged differences. Your say-so isn't any good and we all know that you are a piece-of-shit loser OK, Joe.  I forgot the level of education I was dealing with here. "The chance that something will happen" is a decent definition of probability, as in  The probability that Joe will admit he is wrong, based on empirical evidence, is zero. But if probability is "something that has a chance"?  That would mean that probability is the thing having the chance to occur, not the chance itself.  So in the above sentence, the probability would be "Joe admitting he is wrong," not "zero."  Which makes no sense to anyone, except possibly you. Have you got that now, or would you like me to try again with shorter words? LoL! Thankfully you aren't a teacher. If something has a chance that would mean there is a chance that it will happen. Yeah, Joey, really you should learn English. One of the chances that an event can have is impossibility, probability zero. Your own references, four of 'em so far, refute you .  Every one. Quote That means "The chance that something will happen" is the same as "something that has a chance". Not if the chance that the event will happen is zero, which all your references clearly state is possible. Zero would mean it doesn't have a chance, oh wait, in probability 0 can be > 0 -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2015,13:24    Something that is impossible doesn't have a chance, nor a likelihood. Something that is impossible does not fit in the definitions of probability provided by JonF. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

JonF Posts: 634 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2015,13:24    Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,14:16) Quote (JonF @ June 24 2015,13:13)   Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,12:56) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki.......equency "Frequency is the number of occurrences of a repeating event per unit time.[1] It is also referred to as temporal frequency, which emphasizes the contrast to spatial frequency and angular frequency. The period is the duration of time of one cycle in a repeating event, so the period {not t wavelength - Jonf} is the reciprocal of the frequency. ... For periodic waves in nondispersive media (that is, media in which the wave speed is independent of frequency), frequency has an inverse relationship to the wavelength, λ (lambda). Even in dispersive media, the frequency f of a sinusoidal wave is equal to the phase velocity v of the wave divided by the wavelength λ of the wave: f = v/λ In the special case of electromagnetic waves moving through a vacuum, then v = c, where c is the speed of light in a vacuum, and this expression becomes: f = c/λ When waves from a monochrome source travel from one medium to another, their frequency remains the same—only their wavelength and speed change." Words fail me. I HAVE TO HAVE IT. I DO NOT HAVE THE WAVE AND YOUR SAY-SO IS MEANINGLESS. How many fucking times do I have to tell you assholes that? If someone is looking at a wave- at least one complete wave- on an oscilloscope does that person have both the frequency and wavelength right there in that same wave? Yes or no I suppose you will have to repeat it until it becomes true. That'll take some time. You have the wavelength.  Unless, of course, you have some special appliance repairman meaning of "have" other than "to hold in one's use, service, regard, or at one's disposal" http://www.merriam-webster.com/diction....e. You have (hee hee) the wavelength at your disposal which means: "able to be used by you; able to help you" http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us....isposal or "available for someone to use" Learner's Dictionary That last site is especially apropos. How do you define "have", Joey?

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2015,13:26    Quote 1. the chance that something will happen 2. something that has a chance of happening 3. a measure of how often a particular event will happen if something (such as tossing a coin) is done repeatedly Impossible things do not fit any of those. 1- Impossible things do not have a chance they will happen 2- Impossible things do have a chance of happening 3- we cannot measure impossible things let alone repeat them -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2015,13:27    Quote (JonF @ June 24 2015,13:24) Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,14:16)   Quote (JonF @ June 24 2015,13:13)   Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,12:56) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki.......equency "Frequency is the number of occurrences of a repeating event per unit time.[1] It is also referred to as temporal frequency, which emphasizes the contrast to spatial frequency and angular frequency. The period is the duration of time of one cycle in a repeating event, so the period {not t wavelength - Jonf} is the reciprocal of the frequency. ... For periodic waves in nondispersive media (that is, media in which the wave speed is independent of frequency), frequency has an inverse relationship to the wavelength, λ (lambda). Even in dispersive media, the frequency f of a sinusoidal wave is equal to the phase velocity v of the wave divided by the wavelength λ of the wave: f = v/λ In the special case of electromagnetic waves moving through a vacuum, then v = c, where c is the speed of light in a vacuum, and this expression becomes: f = c/λ When waves from a monochrome source travel from one medium to another, their frequency remains the same—only their wavelength and speed change." Words fail me. I HAVE TO HAVE IT. I DO NOT HAVE THE WAVE AND YOUR SAY-SO IS MEANINGLESS. How many fucking times do I have to tell you assholes that? If someone is looking at a wave- at least one complete wave- on an oscilloscope does that person have both the frequency and wavelength right there in that same wave? Yes or no I suppose you will have to repeat it until it becomes true. That'll take some time. You have the wavelength.  Unless, of course, you have some special appliance repairman meaning of "have" other than "to hold in one's use, service, regard, or at one's disposal" http://www.merriam-webster.com/diction....n....e. You have (hee hee) the wavelength at your disposal which means: "able to be used by you; able to help you" http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us....i....isposal or "available for someone to use" Learner's Dictionary That last site is especially apropos. How do you define "have", Joey? Umm you don't get to tell me what I mean by "have". Why are you such a fucking lowlife? If someone is looking at a wave- at least one complete wave- on an oscilloscope does that person have both the frequency and wavelength right there in that same wave? Yes or no -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2015,13:29    Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,13:26) Quote 1. the chance that something will happen 2. something that has a chance of happening 3. a measure of how often a particular event will happen if something (such as tossing a coin) is done repeatedly Impossible things do not fit any of those. 1- Impossible things do not have a chance they will happen 2- Impossible things do have a chance of happening 3- we cannot measure impossible things let alone repeat them LoL! Retry: Quote 1. the chance that something will happen 2. something that has a chance of happening 3. a measure of how often a particular event will happen if something (such as tossing a coin) is done repeatedly Impossible things do not fit any of those. 1- Impossible things do not have a chance they will happen 2- Impossible things do not have a chance of happening 3- we cannot measure impossible things let alone repeat them -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2015,13:29    If someone is looking at a wave- at least one complete wave- on an oscilloscope does that person have both the frequency and wavelength right there in that same wave? Yes or no -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

JonF Posts: 634 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2015,13:29    Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,13:45) Quote (JonF @ June 24 2015,12:42) Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,11:20)   Quote (k.e.. @ June 24 2015,10:19)   Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,18:17)     Quote (k.e.. @ June 24 2015,10:16)     Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,18:13)       Quote (k.e.. @ June 24 2015,10:10)       Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,18:06)         Quote (JonF @ June 23 2015,13:23)         Quote (Joe G @ June 23 2015,13:19)           Quote (k.e.. @ June 23 2015,10:41)           Quote (Joe G @ June 23 2015,18:11)             Quote (k.e.. @ June 23 2015,09:31)             Quote (fnxtr @ June 23 2015,17:18) (shrug) Okay, Joe. You're right, we're wrong. There's a designer. CSI/dFDIWLEN/whatever proves it. Now what? Well now you claim frequency = wavelength probability of zero is non existant (snikker) The designer is Allah ticks are vegetarian Call everyone a homo HOMO!! THAT'S WHAT! Yes if you have the wavelength then you have the frequency. Zero = impossibility. I never said anything about Allah, obviously Davey is a whining pussy. And just because ticks go on watermelon doesn't mean they are vegetarian. Davey is an ignorant pussy. Joe what's the frequency of a 10 meter wave in a block of steel? Stupid stupid man. And if Allah isn't the designer what is? As far as the ticks go you are the expert hahahahahah. I don't have the wavelength, Davey. If you have it then just do the calculation you moron. Frequency = 1/T where T is the time it takes for one wavelength to be completed. Absolutely. Therefore frequency does not equal wavelength since you cannot derive one from the other without more information. Sorry, had to use words with more that three letters.  Maybe you can figure it out anyway if you try real hard. Frequency and wavelength represent the SAME wave. They are different numerical representations of the SAME thing. If you have one you have the other. False Joe one canot be derived from the other. Otherwise you would be able to tell me the frequency of a 10 meter wave in a block of steel. But since you think science sunject should be taught in social studie class maybe that's where you learn't physics? I derive one from the other all the time.       Quote Otherwise you would be able to tell me the frequency of a 10 meter wave in a block of steel. I don't have it, asshole. You are untrustworthy and what you say is meaningless. It is a FACT that my kid was taught about evolution is social studies. Joe it's THE SAME WAVE what is the frequency? I don't have it, Davey. Why are you such a fucking asshole? So you were LYING when you said you derive one from the other all the time or do you have a short memory? No, Davey, you are retarded. If I have the wavelength I can derive the frequency 100% of the time. Cool! The wavelength is 10 meters.  What's the frequency? Oops, Joey's caught again.  But he absolutely cannot admit it, he'll just continue to post contradictory claims. Pathetic. I HAVE TO HAVE IT. I DO NOT HAVE THE WAVE AND YOUR SAY-SO IS MEANINGLESS. How many fucking times do I have to tell you assholes that? If someone is looking at a wave- at least one complete wave- on an oscilloscope does that person have both the frequency and wavelength right there in that same wave? Yes or no No, unless the scope has a calibrated time base. Duh. Of course, if a scope does have a calibrated time base as many do, then you need to know that and what it is in order to convert wavelength to frequency. What's the frequency of that one, Joey?

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2015,13:32    Quote (JonF @ June 24 2015,13:29) Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,13:45) Quote (JonF @ June 24 2015,12:42)   Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,11:20)   Quote (k.e.. @ June 24 2015,10:19)     Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,18:17)     Quote (k.e.. @ June 24 2015,10:16)       Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,18:13)       Quote (k.e.. @ June 24 2015,10:10)         Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,18:06)         Quote (JonF @ June 23 2015,13:23)           Quote (Joe G @ June 23 2015,13:19)           Quote (k.e.. @ June 23 2015,10:41)             Quote (Joe G @ June 23 2015,18:11)             Quote (k.e.. @ June 23 2015,09:31)               Quote (fnxtr @ June 23 2015,17:18) (shrug) Okay, Joe. You're right, we're wrong. There's a designer. CSI/dFDIWLEN/whatever proves it. Now what? Well now you claim frequency = wavelength probability of zero is non existant (snikker) The designer is Allah ticks are vegetarian Call everyone a homo HOMO!! THAT'S WHAT! Yes if you have the wavelength then you have the frequency. Zero = impossibility. I never said anything about Allah, obviously Davey is a whining pussy. And just because ticks go on watermelon doesn't mean they are vegetarian. Davey is an ignorant pussy. Joe what's the frequency of a 10 meter wave in a block of steel? Stupid stupid man. And if Allah isn't the designer what is? As far as the ticks go you are the expert hahahahahah. I don't have the wavelength, Davey. If you have it then just do the calculation you moron. Frequency = 1/T where T is the time it takes for one wavelength to be completed. Absolutely. Therefore frequency does not equal wavelength since you cannot derive one from the other without more information. Sorry, had to use words with more that three letters.  Maybe you can figure it out anyway if you try real hard. Frequency and wavelength represent the SAME wave. They are different numerical representations of the SAME thing. If you have one you have the other. False Joe one canot be derived from the other. Otherwise you would be able to tell me the frequency of a 10 meter wave in a block of steel. But since you think science sunject should be taught in social studie class maybe that's where you learn't physics? I derive one from the other all the time.         Quote Otherwise you would be able to tell me the frequency of a 10 meter wave in a block of steel. I don't have it, asshole. You are untrustworthy and what you say is meaningless. It is a FACT that my kid was taught about evolution is social studies. Joe it's THE SAME WAVE what is the frequency? I don't have it, Davey. Why are you such a fucking asshole? So you were LYING when you said you derive one from the other all the time or do you have a short memory? No, Davey, you are retarded. If I have the wavelength I can derive the frequency 100% of the time. Cool! The wavelength is 10 meters.  What's the frequency? Oops, Joey's caught again.  But he absolutely cannot admit it, he'll just continue to post contradictory claims. Pathetic. I HAVE TO HAVE IT. I DO NOT HAVE THE WAVE AND YOUR SAY-SO IS MEANINGLESS. How many fucking times do I have to tell you assholes that? If someone is looking at a wave- at least one complete wave- on an oscilloscope does that person have both the frequency and wavelength right there in that same wave? Yes or no No, unless the scope has a calibrated time base. Duh. Of course, if a scope does have a calibrated time base as many do, then you need to know that and what it is in order to convert wavelength to frequency. What's the frequency of that one, Joey? Your desperation is hilarious. YOU should be able to figure it out, asshole. THAT is all that matters, dumbass. It's funny watching you morons try to make this personal. If that is what you really want just stop on by and I can cure you of it. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

JonF Posts: 634 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2015,13:32    Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,13:45) Quote (JonF @ June 24 2015,12:40) Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,11:08)   Quote (JonF @ June 23 2015,13:24)   Quote (Joe G @ June 23 2015,13:21)     Quote (JonF @ June 23 2015,11:11)     Quote (Joe G @ June 23 2015,11:14)       Quote (JonF @ June 23 2015,08:07)       Quote (Joe G @ June 22 2015,16:24)         Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ June 22 2015,15:08)         Quote (Woodbine @ June 22 2015,15:05) Hey, Joe....I've just checked in with the guys at the lab and you should see the size of the number they've found....it's massive! Today Chubs also announced that you can't have a probability be zero.  But compared to his other stupidity that's nothing...  ;) I said zero equals an impossibility. Richie already posted a reference that says a probability is between zero and one. Is zero between zero and one? Depends, did he mean "between zero and one inclusive" or "between zero and one exclusive"? Hint: the former. Mathematicians recognize both closed and open intervals. Duh. "Between" has a specific meaning. In probability/math it has two meanings; open interval or closed interval. In this case which is meant is intuitively obvious to the most casual observer, assuming that observer has two or more functioning brain cells. That explains why you couldn't figure it out. If it isn't mentioned then it is exclusive. Do impossible events have a probability? If it isn't mentioned it's derived from context.  When the context is probability, "between zero and one" is always inclusive. Duh. If probability is defined as something that has a chance, AND impossible means that there isn't a chance, how can something impossible have a probability? Do tell. Probability is not defined as something that has a chance.  Why do you bother making up that crap? Oh, I forgot, it's because you have no answer but you just can't stand o walk away.  So you try to change the subject. As shown upthread, probabilities are always between zero and one inclusive. Therefore you are wrong claiming that saying a probability is between zero and one does not include zero or one is wrong. DEFINE PROBABILITY OR SHUT THE FUCK UP I see that you just can't handle the fact that I did, after you posted this post but before many of your recent incoherencies. I also see that you have posted four links to definitions, each of which contradicted your claims about probability. Poor, incompetent, chubsie.

JonF Posts: 634 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2015,13:33    Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,13:47) Quote (JonF @ June 24 2015,12:40) Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,11:08)   Quote (JonF @ June 23 2015,13:24)   Quote (Joe G @ June 23 2015,13:21)     Quote (JonF @ June 23 2015,11:11)     Quote (Joe G @ June 23 2015,11:14)       Quote (JonF @ June 23 2015,08:07)       Quote (Joe G @ June 22 2015,16:24)         Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ June 22 2015,15:08)         Quote (Woodbine @ June 22 2015,15:05) Hey, Joe....I've just checked in with the guys at the lab and you should see the size of the number they've found....it's massive! Today Chubs also announced that you can't have a probability be zero.  But compared to his other stupidity that's nothing...  ;) I said zero equals an impossibility. Richie already posted a reference that says a probability is between zero and one. Is zero between zero and one? Depends, did he mean "between zero and one inclusive" or "between zero and one exclusive"? Hint: the former. Mathematicians recognize both closed and open intervals. Duh. "Between" has a specific meaning. In probability/math it has two meanings; open interval or closed interval. In this case which is meant is intuitively obvious to the most casual observer, assuming that observer has two or more functioning brain cells. That explains why you couldn't figure it out. If it isn't mentioned then it is exclusive. Do impossible events have a probability? If it isn't mentioned it's derived from context.  When the context is probability, "between zero and one" is always inclusive. Duh. If probability is defined as something that has a chance, AND impossible means that there isn't a chance, how can something impossible have a probability? Do tell. Probability is not defined as something that has a chance.  Why do you bother making up that crap? Oh, I forgot, it's because you have no answer but you just can't stand o walk away.  So you try to change the subject. As shown upthread, probabilities are always between zero and one inclusive. Therefore you are wrong claiming that saying a probability is between zero and one does not include zero or one is wrong. Impossible things do not have a probability. The do, according to your references.

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2015,13:33    Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,12:00) Quote (OgreMkV @ June 24 2015,11:58) Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,11:43) 1/T works, moron, regardless of the medium. My claim still holds- if I have the wavelength I can derive the frequency. They are two different numerical representations of the SAME wave And we've already proven, multiple times, that you can't do that. You are just too arrogant and meglomanical to see it. What is the frequency of a sound wave with a wavelength of 1 meter? No, Kevin, you are a moron who couldn't prove anything. I HAVE TO HAVE THE WAVELENGTH, MORON. Really? I gave you the wavelength... 1 meter. What you HAVE TO HAVE is the velocity of the wave... since you don't you can't derive the frequency and the frequency can vary depending on the speed of the wave in different media. Therefore, you have just shown t yourself that there is not a 1:1 correspondence between wavelength and frequency. Not to mention that they aren't even the same units (as has been mentioned to you dozens of times now), so they CANNOT be equal. Because you seem to be confused, math is done on units as well as the numbers. You can't just look at the numbers. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2015,13:34    Quote (JonF @ June 24 2015,13:33) Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,13:47) Quote (JonF @ June 24 2015,12:40)   Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,11:08)   Quote (JonF @ June 23 2015,13:24)     Quote (Joe G @ June 23 2015,13:21)     Quote (JonF @ June 23 2015,11:11)       Quote (Joe G @ June 23 2015,11:14)       Quote (JonF @ June 23 2015,08:07)         Quote (Joe G @ June 22 2015,16:24)         Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ June 22 2015,15:08)           Quote (Woodbine @ June 22 2015,15:05) Hey, Joe....I've just checked in with the guys at the lab and you should see the size of the number they've found....it's massive! Today Chubs also announced that you can't have a probability be zero.  But compared to his other stupidity that's nothing...  ;) I said zero equals an impossibility. Richie already posted a reference that says a probability is between zero and one. Is zero between zero and one? Depends, did he mean "between zero and one inclusive" or "between zero and one exclusive"? Hint: the former. Mathematicians recognize both closed and open intervals. Duh. "Between" has a specific meaning. In probability/math it has two meanings; open interval or closed interval. In this case which is meant is intuitively obvious to the most casual observer, assuming that observer has two or more functioning brain cells. That explains why you couldn't figure it out. If it isn't mentioned then it is exclusive. Do impossible events have a probability? If it isn't mentioned it's derived from context.  When the context is probability, "between zero and one" is always inclusive. Duh. If probability is defined as something that has a chance, AND impossible means that there isn't a chance, how can something impossible have a probability? Do tell. Probability is not defined as something that has a chance.  Why do you bother making up that crap? Oh, I forgot, it's because you have no answer but you just can't stand o walk away.  So you try to change the subject. As shown upthread, probabilities are always between zero and one inclusive. Therefore you are wrong claiming that saying a probability is between zero and one does not include zero or one is wrong. Impossible things do not have a probability. The do, according to your references. They don't according to your definitions. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2015,13:35    Quote (OgreMkV @ June 24 2015,13:33) Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,12:00) Quote (OgreMkV @ June 24 2015,11:58)   Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,11:43) 1/T works, moron, regardless of the medium. My claim still holds- if I have the wavelength I can derive the frequency. They are two different numerical representations of the SAME wave And we've already proven, multiple times, that you can't do that. You are just too arrogant and meglomanical to see it. What is the frequency of a sound wave with a wavelength of 1 meter? No, Kevin, you are a moron who couldn't prove anything. I HAVE TO HAVE THE WAVELENGTH, MORON. Really? I gave you the wavelength... 1 meter. What you HAVE TO HAVE is the velocity of the wave... since you don't you can't derive the frequency and the frequency can vary depending on the speed of the wave in different media. Therefore, you have just shown t yourself that there is not a 1:1 correspondence between wavelength and frequency. Not to mention that they aren't even the same units (as has been mentioned to you dozens of times now), so they CANNOT be equal. Because you seem to be confused, math is done on units as well as the numbers. You can't just look at the numbers. Follow along or shut up. If you have the wavelength then you should be able to know the frequency. Asshole -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

JonF Posts: 634 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2015,13:36    Quote (JohnW @ June 24 2015,14:20) Quote (JonF @ June 24 2015,11:13) Words fail me. Take a leaf from Joe's book, Jon.  Redefine them. There's a though. Probability is defined as a number between zero and infinity, such that the probability of Joe being an ignorant incompetent asshole is infinity; i.e. certain from his birth until forever. This could be fun!

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2015,13:36    Quote (JonF @ June 24 2015,13:32) Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,13:45) Quote (JonF @ June 24 2015,12:40)   Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,11:08)   Quote (JonF @ June 23 2015,13:24)     Quote (Joe G @ June 23 2015,13:21)     Quote (JonF @ June 23 2015,11:11)       Quote (Joe G @ June 23 2015,11:14)       Quote (JonF @ June 23 2015,08:07)         Quote (Joe G @ June 22 2015,16:24)         Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ June 22 2015,15:08)           Quote (Woodbine @ June 22 2015,15:05) Hey, Joe....I've just checked in with the guys at the lab and you should see the size of the number they've found....it's massive! Today Chubs also announced that you can't have a probability be zero.  But compared to his other stupidity that's nothing...  ;) I said zero equals an impossibility. Richie already posted a reference that says a probability is between zero and one. Is zero between zero and one? Depends, did he mean "between zero and one inclusive" or "between zero and one exclusive"? Hint: the former. Mathematicians recognize both closed and open intervals. Duh. "Between" has a specific meaning. In probability/math it has two meanings; open interval or closed interval. In this case which is meant is intuitively obvious to the most casual observer, assuming that observer has two or more functioning brain cells. That explains why you couldn't figure it out. If it isn't mentioned then it is exclusive. Do impossible events have a probability? If it isn't mentioned it's derived from context.  When the context is probability, "between zero and one" is always inclusive. Duh. If probability is defined as something that has a chance, AND impossible means that there isn't a chance, how can something impossible have a probability? Do tell. Probability is not defined as something that has a chance.  Why do you bother making up that crap? Oh, I forgot, it's because you have no answer but you just can't stand o walk away.  So you try to change the subject. As shown upthread, probabilities are always between zero and one inclusive. Therefore you are wrong claiming that saying a probability is between zero and one does not include zero or one is wrong. DEFINE PROBABILITY OR SHUT THE FUCK UP I see that you just can't handle the fact that I did, after you posted this post but before many of your recent incoherencies. I also see that you have posted four links to definitions, each of which contradicted your claims about probability. Poor, incompetent, chubsie. And your definitions prove that impossible is not a probability. Thank you. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2015,13:36    Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,11:21) Zero would mean it doesn't have a chance, oh wait, in probability 0 can be > 0 "0 can be >0" Magnificent.  So good I'll quote it again: "0 can be >0" I don't know if this is the stupidest thing he's ever said - there's so much competition.  But it's on the first page of the list. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2015,13:37    Quote (JonF @ June 24 2015,13:36) Quote (JohnW @ June 24 2015,14:20) Quote (JonF @ June 24 2015,11:13) Words fail me. Take a leaf from Joe's book, Jon.  Redefine them. There's a though. Probability is defined as a number between zero and infinity, such that the probability of Joe being an ignorant incompetent asshole is infinity; i.e. certain from his birth until forever. This could be fun! JonF- YOU provided definitions of probability. Impossible things do not fit any of your definitions. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

JonF Posts: 634 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2015,13:38    Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,14:20) Quote (JonF @ June 24 2015,13:10) Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,12:55) https://www.mathsisfun.com/definit....ty.html "Probability is the chance that something will happen - how likely it is that some event will happen. Sometimes you can measure a probability with a number like "10% chance of rain", or you can use words such as impossible, unlikely, possible, even chance, likely and certain."  I.e between zero and one inclusive, and zero is a valid probability.       Quote http://home.avvanta.com/~math......ability "Probability is the measure of the likeliness that an event will occur.[1] Probability is quantified as a number between 0 and 1 (where 0 indicates impossibility and 1 indicates certainty)." I.e between zero and one inclusive, and zero is a valid probability.   Quote URL=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki.......ability[/URL] "Probability is the likelihood of something happening in the future. It is expressed as a number between zero (can never happen) to 1 (will always happen)." I.e between zero and one inclusive, and zero is a valid probability. Impossible things are not probable and they do not have a probability. Zero probability relates to that which is statistically impossible but not impossible in reality. Nope.  See your references' definitions.  They explicitly defined impossibility as probability zero and vice versa with no caveats.  Real word, your fantasy world, World of Warcraft; probability zero occurs and means impossibility.  E.g. "The probability that Joe will ever get a clue is zero.  It will never happen."

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2015,13:38    Quote (JohnW @ June 24 2015,13:36) Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,11:21) Zero would mean it doesn't have a chance, oh wait, in probability 0 can be > 0 "0 can be >0" Magnificent.  So good I'll quote it again: "0 can be >0" I don't know if this is the stupidest thing he's ever said - there's so much competition.  But it's on the first page of the list. I provided the reference, moron. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki....ability Quote To say that something "has a zero probability of occurring" means that its probability is statistically equivalent to zero. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2015,13:39    Quote (JonF @ June 24 2015,13:38) Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,14:20) Quote (JonF @ June 24 2015,13:10)   Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,12:55) https://www.mathsisfun.com/definit....ty.html "Probability is the chance that something will happen - how likely it is that some event will happen. Sometimes you can measure a probability with a number like "10% chance of rain", or you can use words such as impossible, unlikely, possible, even chance, likely and certain."  I.e between zero and one inclusive, and zero is a valid probability.       Quote http://home.avvanta.com/~math......ability "Probability is the measure of the likeliness that an event will occur.[1] Probability is quantified as a number between 0 and 1 (where 0 indicates impossibility and 1 indicates certainty)." I.e between zero and one inclusive, and zero is a valid probability.     Quote URL=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki.......ability[/URL] "Probability is the likelihood of something happening in the future. It is expressed as a number between zero (can never happen) to 1 (will always happen)." I.e between zero and one inclusive, and zero is a valid probability. Impossible things are not probable and they do not have a probability. Zero probability relates to that which is statistically impossible but not impossible in reality. Nope.  See your references' definitions.  They explicitly defined impossibility as probability zero and vice versa with no caveats.  Real word, your fantasy world, World of Warcraft; probability zero occurs and means impossibility.  E.g. "The probability that Joe will ever get a clue is zero.  It will never happen." And yet your definitions support my claim. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2015,13:41    There is a difference between impossibility and mere zero probability -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2015,13:42    Quote (JohnW @ June 24 2015,13:36) Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,11:21) Zero would mean it doesn't have a chance, oh wait, in probability 0 can be > 0 "0 can be >0" Magnificent.  So good I'll quote it again: "0 can be >0" I don't know if this is the stupidest thing he's ever said - there's so much competition.  But it's on the first page of the list. CONTEXT is important also. Notice that cowardly Johnny omitted the context and quote-mined my post. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2015,13:43    Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,13:35) Quote (OgreMkV @ June 24 2015,13:33) Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,12:00)   Quote (OgreMkV @ June 24 2015,11:58)   Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,11:43) 1/T works, moron, regardless of the medium. My claim still holds- if I have the wavelength I can derive the frequency. They are two different numerical representations of the SAME wave And we've already proven, multiple times, that you can't do that. You are just too arrogant and meglomanical to see it. What is the frequency of a sound wave with a wavelength of 1 meter? No, Kevin, you are a moron who couldn't prove anything. I HAVE TO HAVE THE WAVELENGTH, MORON. Really? I gave you the wavelength... 1 meter. What you HAVE TO HAVE is the velocity of the wave... since you don't you can't derive the frequency and the frequency can vary depending on the speed of the wave in different media. Therefore, you have just shown t yourself that there is not a 1:1 correspondence between wavelength and frequency. Not to mention that they aren't even the same units (as has been mentioned to you dozens of times now), so they CANNOT be equal. Because you seem to be confused, math is done on units as well as the numbers. You can't just look at the numbers. Follow along or shut up. If you have the wavelength then you should be able to know the frequency. Asshole I don't disagree with what you say NOW. You SHOULD be able to know the frequency IF you also know the velocity. But there is no possible way (zero probability) that wavelength = frequency. "=" has a specific mathematical definition, which you have been desperately trying to change. Just say "I'm sorry, wavelength does not equal frequency, but instead velocity = wavelength * frequency" and we're all good. But you won't and that's funny. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2015,13:45    Quote (OgreMkV @ June 24 2015,13:43) Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,13:35) Quote (OgreMkV @ June 24 2015,13:33)   Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,12:00)   Quote (OgreMkV @ June 24 2015,11:58)     Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,11:43) 1/T works, moron, regardless of the medium. My claim still holds- if I have the wavelength I can derive the frequency. They are two different numerical representations of the SAME wave And we've already proven, multiple times, that you can't do that. You are just too arrogant and meglomanical to see it. What is the frequency of a sound wave with a wavelength of 1 meter? No, Kevin, you are a moron who couldn't prove anything. I HAVE TO HAVE THE WAVELENGTH, MORON. Really? I gave you the wavelength... 1 meter. What you HAVE TO HAVE is the velocity of the wave... since you don't you can't derive the frequency and the frequency can vary depending on the speed of the wave in different media. Therefore, you have just shown t yourself that there is not a 1:1 correspondence between wavelength and frequency. Not to mention that they aren't even the same units (as has been mentioned to you dozens of times now), so they CANNOT be equal. Because you seem to be confused, math is done on units as well as the numbers. You can't just look at the numbers. Follow along or shut up. If you have the wavelength then you should be able to know the frequency. Asshole I don't disagree with what you say NOW. You SHOULD be able to know the frequency IF you also know the velocity. But there is no possible way (zero probability) that wavelength = frequency. "=" has a specific mathematical definition, which you have been desperately trying to change. Just say "I'm sorry, wavelength does not equal frequency, but instead velocity = wavelength * frequency" and we're all good. But you won't and that's funny. Frequency and wavelength are different numerical representations of the same wave. And that you agree with what I say NOW tells me you just started to listen. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

JonF Posts: 634 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2015,13:45    Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,14:24) Something that is impossible doesn't have a chance, nor a likelihood. Something that is impossible does not fit in the definitions of probability provided by JonF. Um, yes, it does. As I posted from M-W.  And as you posted: https://www.mathsisfun.com/definit....ty.html[/quote] "Probability is the chance that something will happen - how likely it is that some event will happen. Sometimes you can measure a probability with a number like "10% chance of rain", or you can use words such as impossible, unlikely, possible, even chance, likely and certain."  I.e between zero and one inclusive, and zero is a valid probability.         Quote http://home.avvanta.com/~math......ability "Probability is the measure of the likeliness that an event will occur.[1] Probability is quantified as a number between 0 and 1 (where 0 indicates impossibility and 1 indicates certainty)." I.e between zero and one inclusive, and zero is a valid probability.       Quote URL=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki.......ability[/URL] "Probability is the likelihood of something happening in the future. It is expressed as a number between zero (can never happen) to 1 (will always happen)." I.e between zero and one inclusive, and zero is a valid probability.

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