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Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: May 30 2015,09:28   

Check out the comment string on this OP.
Gordon (KairosFocus) Mullings at his pearl clutching best

  
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: May 30 2015,09:31   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ May 30 2015,09:28)
Check out the comment string on this OP.
[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/design-inference/lets-discuss-elizabeth-liddle-i-do-not-think-the-id-case-holds-up-i-think-it-is-undermined

-by-want-of-any-evidence-for-the-putative-designer/]Gordon (KairosFocus) Mullings at his pearl clutching best[/URL]

Oops

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 30 2015,09:39   

Yeah, you need to use something like TinyURL....

Kairosfartus

....especially when it involves Captain Concise.

  
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: May 30 2015,10:26   

Gordon says:
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PPS: FTR, you need to understand that if you and others of your circle choose to go insist on down this path of picking a polarising fight, instead of dealing with the issue, you are sending a message that were I you I would think twice about. Especially when the very fact of picking this thread means you are targetting a victim of cyberstalking and other abusive online behaviour emanating from the circle of sites already pointed out.

Gordon KairosFocus Mullings appears to be saying that Elizabeth Liddle chose to comment on his OP because he is a victim of cyberstalking. Let me remind everyone of the title of the OP that Mullings is assigning malevolence as the motivation for Elizabeth's comments.

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Let’s discuss: >> Elizabeth Liddle: I do not think the ID case holds up. I think it is undermined by [want of . . . ???] any evidence for the putative designer . . . >>


I think that Gordo needs to replace his tinfoil hat.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 30 2015,10:30   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ May 30 2015,10:26)
Gordon says:
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PPS: FTR, you need to understand that if you and others of your circle choose to go insist on down this path of picking a polarising fight, instead of dealing with the issue, you are sending a message that were I you I would think twice about. Especially when the very fact of picking this thread means you are targetting a victim of cyberstalking and other abusive online behaviour emanating from the circle of sites already pointed out.

Gordon KairosFocus Mullings appears to be saying that Elizabeth Liddle chose to comment on his OP because he is a victim of cyberstalking. Let me remind everyone of the title of the OP that Mullings is assigning malevolence as the motivation for Elizabeth's comments.

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Let’s discuss: >> Elizabeth Liddle: I do not think the ID case holds up. I think it is undermined by [want of . . . ???] any evidence for the putative designer . . . >>


I think that Gordo needs to replace his tinfoil hat.

Comments closed now, of course.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 30 2015,11:12   

Quote (Jim_Wynne @ May 30 2015,10:30)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ May 30 2015,10:26)
Gordon says:  
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PPS: FTR, you need to understand that if you and others of your circle choose to go insist on down this path of picking a polarising fight, instead of dealing with the issue, you are sending a message that were I you I would think twice about. Especially when the very fact of picking this thread means you are targetting a victim of cyberstalking and other abusive online behaviour emanating from the circle of sites already pointed out.

Gordon KairosFocus Mullings appears to be saying that Elizabeth Liddle chose to comment on his OP because he is a victim of cyberstalking. Let me remind everyone of the title of the OP that Mullings is assigning malevolence as the motivation for Elizabeth's comments.

 
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Let’s discuss: >> Elizabeth Liddle: I do not think the ID case holds up. I think it is undermined by [want of . . . ???] any evidence for the putative designer . . . >>


I think that Gordo needs to replace his tinfoil hat.

Comments closed now, of course.

As predictable as night following day.

  
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: May 31 2015,06:37   

Lewontin!

Edited by Reciprocating Bill on May 31 2015,07:37

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 31 2015,08:40   

Uncommon Descent in Numbers - 2nd edition

   
Occam's Aftershave



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(Permalink) Posted: May 31 2015,09:05   

Butthurt Kariosflatus has put another long screed at UD, titled in 48 point font.  Nothing that he hasn't posed at least 5 times before, complete with exploded view of fishing reel.  Comments off of course.

Gordo the Manjack Heights mauler, you're a peach!   :p

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"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic."
"Jews and Christians are Muslims."

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(Permalink) Posted: May 31 2015,12:59   

Quote (DiEb @ May 31 2015,08:40)
Uncommon Descent in Numbers - 2nd edition

1. In awe of your skills.
2. Thanks!

What analytics stack did you use?

Edited by Richardthughes on May 31 2015,13:01

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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DiEb



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(Permalink) Posted: May 31 2015,13:06   

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Quote (DiEb @ May 31 2015,08:40)
Uncommon Descent in Numbers - 2nd edition

1. In awe of your skills.
2. Thanks!

What analytics stack did you use?

1) Thanks :-)

2) Not much. I wrote a perl script to crawl the threads, and created the pictures using R.

   
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: May 31 2015,20:28   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ May 31 2015,09:05)
Butthurt Kariosflatus has put another long screed at UD, titled in 48 point font.  Nothing that he hasn't posed at least 5 times before, complete with exploded view of fishing reel.  Comments off of course.

Gordo the Manjack Heights mauler, you're a peach!   :p

He has claimed that this will only be one of many upcoming screeds criticizing comments made by Elizabeth Liddle. No doubt with comments closed.

Gordo has a real hate on for Dr. Liddle.

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: May 31 2015,20:33   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ May 31 2015,20:28)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ May 31 2015,09:05)
Butthurt Kariosflatus has put another long screed at UD, titled in 48 point font.  Nothing that he hasn't posed at least 5 times before, complete with exploded view of fishing reel.  Comments off of course.

Gordo the Manjack Heights mauler, you're a peach!   :p

He has claimed that this will only be one of many upcoming screeds criticizing comments made by Elizabeth Liddle. No doubt with comments closed.

Gordo has a real hate on for Dr. Liddle.

He might be one of those that has issues with non subservient women?

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: May 31 2015,20:46   

Or women who are smarter than or know more than him.

Men too.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 31 2015,21:40   

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Or women who are smarter than or know more than him.

Men too.

That's a considerable percentage of the population to hate.  Must be exhausting.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 01 2015,14:39   

Over at UD looks like it's William J. Blowhard's turn to drive the Tard train.

At TSZ the question was asked "what is the energy source that allowed the Intelligent Designer to physically move matter?".  In other words what is the mechanism that let the Designer move raw materials from point A to point B in order to manufacture his designs, say the first bacterial flagellum.   After thinking long and hard WJM offered up the latest IDiotic explanation:  intent.  That's right, the Designer just had to intend for all those millions of species to come into existence and *POOF*, there they were!  ;)  

Besides not addressing the original question this also raises the issue of how do IDers know the final product was what the Designer actually intended?  Now we've got the incompetent bumbling Designer or the evil sadistic Designer back in play.

This latest bullshit excuse ranks right up there with Joe G's "design is the mechanism" as far as a worthless rhetorical evasion.   :p

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic."
"Jews and Christians are Muslims."

- Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 01 2015,14:57   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ June 01 2015,15:39)
Over at UD looks like it's William J. Blowhard's turn to drive the Tard train.

At TSZ the question was asked "what is the energy source that allowed the Intelligent Designer to physically move matter?".  In other words what is the mechanism that let the Designer move raw materials from point A to point B in order to manufacture his designs, say the first bacterial flagellum.   After thinking long and hard WJM offered up the latest IDiotic explanation:  intent.  That's right, the Designer just had to intend for all those millions of species to come into existence and *POOF*, there they were!  ;)  

Besides not addressing the original question this also raises the issue of how do IDers know the final product was what the Designer actually intended?  Now we've got the incompetent bumbling Designer or the evil sadistic Designer back in play.

This latest bullshit excuse ranks right up there with Joe G's "design is the mechanism" as far as a worthless rhetorical evasion.   :p

It's the inevitable result of trying to focus on 'design' and ignore 'production'.  Countless things are designed but never created, countless things are produced that are not designed, in any standard usage of the term.
Of course, the ID crowd needs to rely on the standard usage/meaning(s) all while trying to take cover under quite absurd arcane redefinitions.  
The twin elephants in the ID room are that design by itself is impotent, and manufacture can occur without anything like design.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 01 2015,15:13   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ June 01 2015,12:39)
Over at UD looks like it's William J. Blowhard's turn to drive the Tard train.

At TSZ the question was asked "what is the energy source that allowed the Intelligent Designer to physically move matter?".  In other words what is the mechanism that let the Designer move raw materials from point A to point B in order to manufacture his designs, say the first bacterial flagellum.   After thinking long and hard WJM offered up the latest IDiotic explanation:  intent.  That's right, the Designer just had to intend for all those millions of species to come into existence and *POOF*, there they were!  ;)  

Besides not addressing the original question this also raises the issue of how do IDers know the final product was what the Designer actually intended?  Now we've got the incompetent bumbling Designer or the evil sadistic Designer back in play.

This latest bullshit excuse ranks right up there with Joe G's "design is the mechanism" as far as a worthless rhetorical evasion.   :p

Intent IS Magic!!
So if the (D/d)esigner meant well (for us??), does that make it good?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 01 2015,15:21   

To say nothing of 'what was the intent for heart worms and guinea worms?'

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 01 2015,16:06   

Quote (NoName @ June 01 2015,12:57)
The twin elephants in the ID room are that design by itself is impotent, and manufacture can occur without anything like design.

Oh, that's just two of them. There are more.

Off the top of my head:
- the fact that natural selection can give the appearance of design;
- the failure of the CSI/DFSCI/FIASCO project;
- the gaping hole in the "anything more complicated than this complicated designed thing must be a designed thing" argument.

That's why it's a big tent.  They need room for a lot of elephants.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 01 2015,16:09   

Since humans can't just "intend" for things to happen, then we're out as designers. That's good of them to admit.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 01 2015,16:56   

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Since humans can't just "intend" for things to happen, then we're out as designers. That's good of them to admit.


For even MOR Funsies - Someone needs to go back to the ID Scientists at UD and ask them if that was before or after The Fall aka Original Sin aka The Talking Snake?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 01 2015,17:58   

Welp, so much for William J. Murray's thread.


  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 01 2015,18:35   

Yes, trust Batshit77 to spam a dangerous topic to death; the coup de grace is the Shroud of Turin. :D
It was necessary because KF realised that a fluffy definition of energy threatens his FIASCO.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 01 2015,19:00   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ June 01 2015,15:39)
Over at UD looks like it's William J. Blowhard's turn to drive the Tard train.

At TSZ the question was asked "what is the energy source that allowed the Intelligent Designer to physically move matter?".  In other words what is the mechanism that let the Designer move raw materials from point A to point B in order to manufacture his designs, say the first bacterial flagellum.   After thinking long and hard WJM offered up the latest IDiotic explanation:  intent.  That's right, the Designer just had to intend for all those millions of species to come into existence and *POOF*, there they were!  ;)  

Besides not addressing the original question this also raises the issue of how do IDers know the final product was what the Designer actually intended?  Now we've got the incompetent bumbling Designer or the evil sadistic Designer back in play.

This latest bullshit excuse ranks right up there with Joe G's "design is the mechanism" as far as a worthless rhetorical evasion.   :p

Next:

"Triumph of the Will"

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(Permalink) Posted: June 01 2015,20:41   

Quote (JohnW @ June 01 2015,14:06)
 
Quote (NoName @ June 01 2015,12:57)
The twin elephants in the ID room are that design by itself is impotent, and manufacture can occur without anything like design.

Oh, that's just two of them. There are more.

Off the top of my head:
- the fact that natural selection can give the appearance of design;
- the failure of the CSI/DFSCI/FIASCO project;
- the gaping hole in the "anything more complicated than this complicated designed thing must be a designed thing" argument.

That's why it's a big tent.  They need room for a lot of elephants.


And clowns. Lots of clowns.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 01 2015,21:35   

Quote (fnxtr @ June 01 2015,18:41)
Quote (JohnW @ June 01 2015,14:06)
 
Quote (NoName @ June 01 2015,12:57)
The twin elephants in the ID room are that design by itself is impotent, and manufacture can occur without anything like design.

Oh, that's just two of them. There are more.

Off the top of my head:
- the fact that natural selection can give the appearance of design;
- the failure of the CSI/DFSCI/FIASCO project;
- the gaping hole in the "anything more complicated than this complicated designed thing must be a designed thing" argument.

That's why it's a big tent.  They need room for a lot of elephants.


And clowns. Lots of clowns.

They all fit in one car.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 01 2015,21:53   

Quote (JohnW @ June 01 2015,21:35)
Quote (fnxtr @ June 01 2015,18:41)
Quote (JohnW @ June 01 2015,14:06)
   
Quote (NoName @ June 01 2015,12:57)
The twin elephants in the ID room are that design by itself is impotent, and manufacture can occur without anything like design.

Oh, that's just two of them. There are more.

Off the top of my head:
- the fact that natural selection can give the appearance of design;
- the failure of the CSI/DFSCI/FIASCO project;
- the gaping hole in the "anything more complicated than this complicated designed thing must be a designed thing" argument.

That's why it's a big tent.  They need room for a lot of elephants.


And clowns. Lots of clowns.

They all fit in one car.

An Austin Mini.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2015,06:13   

Murray's latest strongly suggests that he's never really observed or studied how human beings create and design. He's only applying the individualist, anti-materialist ideology to which he's always been committed. And so he utterly fails to see the point of Liddle's challenge, which wasn't about metaphysics but about verificationist epistemology: the question isn't, "what kind of thing is intention?" but "how is intention measured?"

The inability to provide a verifiable, operationalized criterion for "intent" is precisely why design theory utterly fails as a scientific theory, and it's of one piece with their "we don't know how the designer was!" or "the identity of the designer is not a scientific question!".  This is because the identity of the designer -- its capacities, motives, interests, goals, and limitations -- is itself built into the hypotheses that are brought to empirical confirmation. If one abjures from all claims about the identity of the designer, then one has no scientific theory at all.  

It's deliciously ironic that, in order to make creationism watered-down enough for public schools and secular universities, the ID movement has produced a pseudo-theory with no scientific content at all.  At lest creationism was a genuine scientific theory, albeit a decisively refuted one.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2015,07:57   

Looks like fun.
 
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