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Sheikh Mahandi Posts: 47 Joined: May 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2005,02:04    From BBC News - Muslim burial for Malaysian hero One of the Malaysian conquerors of Everest who died recently will be buried according to Muslim practices, even though his Hindu family deny he ever converted to Islam, the family were not allowed to appear before the Sharia court as they are not Muslim. If anyone asks me why I am such an ardent opponent of the "culteral renewal" "mob" then this will do as an opening - this is the future if we fail even once to oppose "the wedge". Forget the separation of church and state being lost, eventually these fanatics would strip everyone except "their" brand of Christian of all rights and legal defenses. -------------- "Love is in the air, everywhere I look around,.....Love is in the air, every sight and every sound,......"

The Ghost of Paley Posts: 1703 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2005,05:21    Quote If anyone asks me why I am such an ardent opponent of the "culteral renewal" "mob" then this will do as an opening - this is the future if we fail even once to oppose "the wedge". Forget the separation of church and state being lost, eventually these fanatics would strip everyone except "their" brand of Christian of all rights and legal defenses. As many Muslims are trying to do in Europe. Ever read Robert Spencer at Dhimmi Watch or Jihad Watch? And how do you feel about Europe's attempt to ban "hate" (read:critical) speech against religion (read: Islam). The governments are clear that these restrictions apply only to Christians (read: white Christians). How's Theo Van Gogh doin', by the way? And what's that I hear about Dutch politicians and newspaper editors needing bodyguards all of a sudden? I'm not saying that all or even most Moslems are like this, but it doesn't matter. All it takes is a critical minority with a government looking the other way. -------------- Dey can't 'andle my riddim.

The Ghost of Paley Posts: 1703 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2005,05:28    By the way, Paleyland would give everyone the freedom to worship God, Allah, Odin, or nothing at all. But Paley's support of religious liberty does not render him soft-headed about other faiths, especially ones with too many extremists. Sorry. -------------- Dey can't 'andle my riddim.

Sheikh Mahandi Posts: 47 Joined: May 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2005,08:17    Quote And how do you feel about Europe's attempt to ban "hate" (read:critical) speech against religion (read: Islam). If you pop over to rense.com, the majority opinion there seems to be the protected religion is Judaism - seems this is a law that religious groups are opining as being "against" them and "for" whoever their pet-hate group is, whereas most Europeans see this as a means to encourage moderate groups by holding extremists accountable for their immoderate language. One of the few places I am aware of where this law seems to be being applied to Christians is Glasgow, and there only in an attempt to eradicate the vile bigotry between Rangers and Celtic supporters (Protestant vs Catholic), all the other contemplated cases so far seem to have been plans to arrest Muslim spokesman - many for holding the "extremist" view that Bush mislead the USA, Britain, et al, into attacking Iraq for its oil, and to avenge some perceived "loss of face" for his father not being allowed to finish the job in '91. Finally, yes let us consider some extremists - hmm, lets start with Pat Robertson, maybe the UN could broker a deal - for every Pat thrown into Gitmo (or an East European CIA run equivalent) Palestine, or Lebanon, or Tadjikstan throws in two mullahs, my Sheikhdom will happily contribute any number of blue-nose Dee huns to sweeten the deal.   -------------- "Love is in the air, everywhere I look around,.....Love is in the air, every sight and every sound,......"

sir_toejam Posts: 846 Joined: April 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2005,11:06    you must forgive Paley, he's a closet racist and doesn't even know it. Often conveniently forgets that there are as many Xian terrorists as there are in any other religion. extemeism is a state of mind, not a religious principle.

Ved Posts: 398 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2005,11:47    Oh come on. Paley's no racist! He digs asian chicks.

Sheikh Mahandi Posts: 47 Joined: May 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 29 2005,01:21    Aceh's answer to Pat Robertson Maybe we could have a whip round and get Mr Robertson and this Dr Jalil in a slam-dunk no-holds barred fight to the finish cage match in Madison Square Gardens, or Louisiana (make a change from cock-fighting / dog-fighting)   -------------- "Love is in the air, everywhere I look around,.....Love is in the air, every sight and every sound,......"

The Ghost of Paley Posts: 1703 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 29 2005,03:12    Quote you must forgive Paley, he's a closet racist and doesn't even know it.  Now there's a refutable charge.  Don't mind the evos, Mr. Mahandi, they're just not used to logic, reason, and testable concepts.  By the way, Sir Mousealot, I thought you said you were "done" with me. Oh, I'm sorry, that just applied to my arguments, not to sneaky well-poisoning. Well, you're free to take the Hyperion Test (as outlined in "A Modest Proposal") anytime you find convenient. Or tackle the Study That Dares Not Speak Its Name. Or find an optics expert for Nicky..... -------------- Dey can't 'andle my riddim.

The Ghost of Paley Posts: 1703 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 29 2005,03:55    Mr. Mahandi,  What is your opinion of the Oriana Fallaci trial? Do you support her right to speak her mind? -------------- Dey can't 'andle my riddim.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 29 2005,05:33    Quote there are as many Xian terrorists as there are in any other religion. extemeism is a state of mind, not a religious principle. What kind of evidence is there for this claim?

Sheikh Mahandi Posts: 47 Joined: May 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 29 2005,06:06    Oriana Fallaci should of course be allowed to speak her mind, the fact that she resorts to stereotyping, and seems to be on her way to creating a modern "protocols" casting Muslims as the adversary in place of Jews is neither here nor there. Reasoned responses to her emotive articles would be far better in this case, after all although she may equate all Muslims as Arabs, and all Arabs as suicide bombers, she does not call for the murder of individual mullahs, political figures or suggest the genocide of Muslims in general, the main criteria I would use for "hate-speech". As an example - Oriana mistakenly generalises Islamic response to 9/11 as "millions and millions marching in support of Osama Bin Laden", I agree that a number of distateful demonstrations glorying in this monstrous crime did take place, however it should also be noted that (a) a candle lit vigil for the dead was held in Tehran (b) Crowds gathered to lay flowers at the U.S embassy in Jakarta © Similar expressions of shock and sympathy occurred in places such as Tashkent, Baku, Ankara, Sarajeveo, and Tirana. Thus the reasoned response to Oriana is to specify these examples of common humanity again and again when faced with her emotive generalisations. To conclude - Oriana's writing (at least those I have seen) contain misconceptions and generalisations bordering on the racist, they do not contain terroristic threats against individuals or groups, therefore as a rational human being I concede that distasteful as they may be they are indeed protected speech, as a direct comparison however Pat Robertsons call for the assassination of President Chavez is a terroristic threat, and he is more deserving of prosecution than she is. -------------- "Love is in the air, everywhere I look around,.....Love is in the air, every sight and every sound,......"

Sheikh Mahandi Posts: 47 Joined: May 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 29 2005,07:06    Can someone please explain to me how having posted two items critical of Muslim fundamentalism to draw a comparison to the aims of Christian Reconstructionism (Rushdoony) , I have ended up in the position of a spokesperson for Islam? It would'nt be so bad, but I am only a Dundee United type Arab....along with my compatriots - Sheikh Alegg (Shake A Leg) Sheikh Maheid (Shake Ma (my) Heid (head)) Sheikh Ratlnroll Yessir Ahmthatfat (Yes sir Ahm (I am) that fat). -------------- "Love is in the air, everywhere I look around,.....Love is in the air, every sight and every sound,......"

Alan Fox Posts: 1556 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 30 2005,07:18    You must know the guru Mahatma Coat as well.

Sheikh Mahandi Posts: 47 Joined: May 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 30 2005,07:21    The Mahatma is alive and well and living in Surrey last I heard of him. -------------- "Love is in the air, everywhere I look around,.....Love is in the air, every sight and every sound,......"

Dean Morrison Posts: 216 Joined: Dec. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2005,01:31    .. unlike Whiter Shade of Paley - who is still haunting the borders of 'Paley's world' - letting all the Asian Chicks and the 'good' kind of ethnos in and keeping all the other buggers out. Nothing 'closet' about his racism - he just doesn't recognise it for what it is, and hates people bringing it to your attention. As for Xian terrorists? - well we've just had a 30 year Catholic vs Protestant terrorist war in Britain. The biggest genocide in Europe since the second world war was of Muslims by Orthodox Christians in Serbia - although as this was secretly sanctioned by the state you might argue as to whether this was terrorism or just policy. If you add the numbers up I think you find that the Christians turn out to be the winners in the terrorism stakes, closely followed by the Israelis.

Sheikh Mahandi Posts: 47 Joined: May 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2005,08:54    I know someone will correct me if I am wrong, but didn't South Africa under apartheid have something similar, I seem to recall that the Japanese at least were treated as honorary "whites". Ah the wonderous convolutions of the political mind, especially where money is involved. -------------- "Love is in the air, everywhere I look around,.....Love is in the air, every sight and every sound,......"

Dean Morrison Posts: 216 Joined: Dec. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2006,04:13    Didn't the White South Africans also have a nice Dutch Baptist Church that held that Whites were naturally superior to Blacks ( something to do with Noah being found drunk and naked by his son - then getting angry and  putting a curse on the ' sons of Ham' I believe) - exactly the same set of beliefs that allowed White Americans from the Southern states to justify slavery. The Dutch Reformed Church and Apartheid They weren't keen on teaching evolution either: Reclaiming humanity's past Bringing South Africa’s ancient wonders to light didn’t always receive such encouragement. During the apartheid era, “I received absolutely no financial support from the government” for excavations, says Tobias. Strongly influenced by the conservative Dutch Reform Church, the apartheid government was loath to fund research on evolution“that contradicted the Bible,” he says. Moreover, Tobias and other researchers were often cut off from their colleagues overseas by the antiapartheid movement’s academic boycott. This made it “often impossible to attend conferences or to publish in many journals.” Perhaps no one has a better perspective on how things have changed here than Poppenpoel. In 1962, at the age of 17, Poppenpoel entered the field of archaeology at the only level allowed to blacks under apartheid: as a laborer. He was hired by Barbara Anthony, an archaeologist now retired from Harvard University. As they excavated a remote Stone Age site in the Western Cape province, “she continuously fed me with information and books,” Poppenpoel recalls, and within a year he “fell in love with archaeology.” After the dig, Anthony brought Poppenpoel to the South African Museum in Cape Town, where he helped her sort and analyze artifacts. One day at the museum he was approached by Raymond Inskeep, a renowned UCT archaeologist, who later moved to the University of Oxford, U.K. “He asked me if I’d like to go to the University of Cape Town to study archaeology.” ... see all the trouble it causes when you let those liberal nigger-lovers let them buggers out of the ditches where they belong! I'm sure Whiter Shade of Paley would thoroughly approve of the old 'Dutch Reformed Church'. Shame White South Africa apartheid went down the plughole really - otherwise Paley's land could open an embassy there. That old Dutch Church is still going though so I guess Paley can still get down on his knees and pray to the same big old cloud fairy as them.

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