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Kantian Naturalist Posts: 72 Joined: Mar. 2013 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2015,16:42    Contributor Axel, referring to "that other uber sophist", would seem to be trying to remember me.   Unfortunately Axel doesn't understand that Liddle and I have the exact same position -- that it would be "magic" to simply stipulate that some property was "emergent" unless one had a theory of what emergence is and of how the emergent property is generated.

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2015,19:06    I think he's serious:     Quote 49 Mung May 11, 2015 at 3:11 pm Elizabeth Liddle: IF the data form a tree (and they do) and IF that tree is the result of populations branching off from other populations constant, which is what you’d expect under Common Descent and which the data support, and IF some of those branches go extinct quite quickly while other diversify hugely and are extant today, THEN, deciding to call a particular set of branches “phyla” is, indeed, arbitrary. Sadly irrelevant. There were no trees in the Cambrian, arbitrary or otherwise. And that’s the point of the OP, which we’re still waiting for some one to address. Link: http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....plosion That whole "What Elizabeth Liddle Doesn't Understand" thread is Barry showing why lawyers have a bad name.  It's disgusting even by UD standards.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2015,19:50    Quote (CeilingCat @ May 11 2015,19:06) I think he's serious:     Quote 49 Mung May 11, 2015 at 3:11 pm Elizabeth Liddle: IF the data form a tree (and they do) and IF that tree is the result of populations branching off from other populations constant, which is what you’d expect under Common Descent and which the data support, and IF some of those branches go extinct quite quickly while other diversify hugely and are extant today, THEN, deciding to call a particular set of branches “phyla” is, indeed, arbitrary. Sadly irrelevant. There were no trees in the Cambrian, arbitrary or otherwise. And that’s the point of the OP, which we’re still waiting for some one to address. Link: http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....plosion That whole "What Elizabeth Liddle Doesn't Understand" thread is Barry showing why lawyers have a bad name.  It's disgusting even by UD standards. He failed basic stats (twice) at TSZ.. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2015,21:53    Quote (CeilingCat @ May 11 2015,19:06) That whole "What Elizabeth Liddle Doesn't Understand" thread is Barry showing why lawyers have a bad name.  It's disgusting even by UD standards. Bully Arrington continues his push to be named Twat Of The Year.  After a dozen posts in that thread where Bully insulted Dr. Elizabeth Liddle, completely ignored her arguments and falsely accused her of ad hom tactics Dr. Liddle had enough, stating she would no longer engage at UD. Bully's response is to start yet another thread with Dr. Liddle's name in the title, quote-mine her earlier posts and offer a batch of lies about why she "ran away". Every time you think Bully can't possibly dig any lower in the slime he finds another gear in his backhoe. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2015,22:01    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ May 11 2015,21:53) Quote (CeilingCat @ May 11 2015,19:06) That whole "What Elizabeth Liddle Doesn't Understand" thread is Barry showing why lawyers have a bad name.  It's disgusting even by UD standards. Bully Arrington continues his push to be named Twat Of The Year.  After a dozen posts in that thread where Bully insulted Dr. Elizabeth Liddle, completely ignored her arguments and falsely accused her of ad hom tactics Dr. Liddle had enough, stating she would no longer engage at UD. Bully's response is to start yet another thread with Dr. Liddle's name in the title, quote-mine her earlier posts and offer a batch of lies about why she "ran away". Every time you think Bully can't possibly dig any lower in the slime he finds another gear in his backhoe. http://theskepticalzone.com/wp....p=27400 ;) -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2015,23:29    Joe coder called out Barry, but now the post reads: Quote [Deleted by JoeCoder] -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2015,23:32    Quote (Richardthughes @ May 11 2015,23:29) Joe coder called out Barry, but now the post reads: Quote [Deleted by JoeCoder] And nows its gone all together. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2015,23:34    Quote (Richardthughes @ May 11 2015,23:32)   Quote (Richardthughes @ May 11 2015,23:29) Joe coder called out Barry, but now the post reads:     Quote [Deleted by JoeCoder] And nows its gone all together. He's been Aurelio'ed.   -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2015,23:37    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ May 11 2015,23:34) Quote (Richardthughes @ May 11 2015,23:32)     Quote (Richardthughes @ May 11 2015,23:29) Joe coder called out Barry, but now the post reads:       Quote [Deleted by JoeCoder] And nows its gone all together. He's been Aurelio'ed.   :O Nah - his old posts persist (for now): http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-431951 -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

sparc Posts: 2088 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2015,01:08    Since my comment doesn't make it out off moderation I'll leave a screenshot here: -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

KevinB Posts: 525 Joined: April 2013 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2015,07:30    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ May 11 2015,21:53) Quote (CeilingCat @ May 11 2015,19:06) That whole "What Elizabeth Liddle Doesn't Understand" thread is Barry showing why lawyers have a bad name.  It's disgusting even by UD standards. Bully Arrington continues his push to be named Twat Of The Year.  After a dozen posts in that thread where Bully insulted Dr. Elizabeth Liddle, completely ignored her arguments and falsely accused her of ad hom tactics Dr. Liddle had enough, stating she would no longer engage at UD. Bully's response is to start yet another thread with Dr. Liddle's name in the title, quote-mine her earlier posts and offer a batch of lies about why she "ran away". Every time you think Bully can't possibly dig any lower in the slime he finds another gear in his backhoe. Perhaps we need a new site, "The Panda's Finger" (specifically, the one that's used as a rude gesture.) We could have posts like "What Barry Arrington Doesn't Know About Polite Debate" (though the positive form would yield a more succinct thread.) Or "No News is Good News" or "Is Potassium Fluoride More Toxic Than Batshit?" or even "Pop Goes the Weasel" (where we could discuss whether METHINKS IT IS LIKE A WEASEL has more CSI than SHE LOVES YOU YEAH YEAH YEAH

DiEb Posts: 312 Joined: May 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2015,08:02    Quote (KevinB @ May 12 2015,13:30) Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ May 11 2015,21:53)   Quote (CeilingCat @ May 11 2015,19:06) That whole "What Elizabeth Liddle Doesn't Understand" thread is Barry showing why lawyers have a bad name.  It's disgusting even by UD standards. Bully Arrington continues his push to be named Twat Of The Year.  After a dozen posts in that thread where Bully insulted Dr. Elizabeth Liddle, completely ignored her arguments and falsely accused her of ad hom tactics Dr. Liddle had enough, stating she would no longer engage at UD. Bully's response is to start yet another thread with Dr. Liddle's name in the title, quote-mine her earlier posts and offer a batch of lies about why she "ran away". Every time you think Bully can't possibly dig any lower in the slime he finds another gear in his backhoe. Perhaps we need a new site, "The Panda's Finger" (specifically, the one that's used as a rude gesture.) We could have posts like "What Barry Arrington Doesn't Know About Polite Debate" (though the positive form would yield a more succinct thread.) Or "No News is Good News" or "Is Potassium Fluoride More Toxic Than Batshit?" or even "Pop Goes the Weasel" (where we could discuss whether METHINKS IT IS LIKE A WEASEL has more CSI than SHE LOVES YOU YEAH YEAH YEAH ... and if you run out of space, you still can post all the things Denyse O'Leary knows about journalism.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2015,08:28    Barry makes DaveTard look good by comparison.

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2015,09:13    Quote (DiEb @ May 12 2015,08:02) ... and if you run out of space, you still can post all the things Denyse O'Leary knows about journalism. You can fit Bully Arrington's knowledge of evolutionary biology in a thimble and still have plenty of room for both his testicles. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

BillB Posts: 388 Joined: Aug. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2015,15:10    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ May 12 2015,15:13) Quote (DiEb @ May 12 2015,08:02) ... and if you run out of space, you still can post all the things Denyse O'Leary knows about journalism. You can fit Bully Arrington's knowledge of evolutionary biology in a thimble and still have plenty of room for both his testicles. What testicles?

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2015,15:51    Banny A. is huffing and puffing about the immaterial "mind" again.  Eigenstate is making Banny look really bad and getting fed up with Banny's constant evasions.  Finally the frustration shows. Quote eigenstate May 12, 2015 at 2:39 pm Well, at this point, it’s hard to see this anything but just stupidity on your part being the problem, Barry. I don’t say that very often, online, because I don’t think it’s true but in the most rare cases. But here I can’t see any other explanation. Look for this message to vanish any minute along with Eigenstate's posting privileges. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2015,18:05    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ May 12 2015,13:51) Banny A. is huffing and puffing about the immaterial "mind" again.  Eigenstate is making Banny look really bad and getting fed up with Banny's constant evasions.  Finally the frustration shows.   Quote eigenstate May 12, 2015 at 2:39 pm Well, at this point, it’s hard to see this anything but just stupidity on your part being the problem, Barry. I don’t say that very often, online, because I don’t think it’s true but in the most rare cases. But here I can’t see any other explanation. Look for this message to vanish any minute along with Eigenstate's posting privileges. Barry is getting the proverbial seven sorts of shit knocked out of him by eigenstate.  Enjoy it while it lasts! -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2015,21:45    Quote (JohnW @ May 12 2015,18:05) Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ May 12 2015,13:51) Banny A. is huffing and puffing about the immaterial "mind" again.  Eigenstate is making Banny look really bad and getting fed up with Banny's constant evasions.  Finally the frustration shows.   Quote eigenstate May 12, 2015 at 2:39 pm Well, at this point, it’s hard to see this anything but just stupidity on your part being the problem, Barry. I don’t say that very often, online, because I don’t think it’s true but in the most rare cases. But here I can’t see any other explanation. Look for this message to vanish any minute along with Eigenstate's posting privileges. Barry is getting the proverbial seven sorts of shit knocked out of him by eigenstate.  Enjoy it while it lasts! Come, bathe with me in Barry's tears! Quote 76 Barry ArringtonMay 12, 2015 at 8:37 pm E @ 73: I guess we can add “patronizing bastard” to “asshat.” -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2015,23:03    I don't accept the old canard that "there's no such thing as a stupid question."  Here's StephenB to illustrate: Quote Does a person with a million concepts weigh more than a person will a thousand concepts all other things being equal? If not, why not? Since all physical things are extended in space, does that mean that the concept of a large physical thing, such as a galaxy, takes up more room in the head than the concept of a smaller physical thing, such as a horse? If not, why not? -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2015,23:10    Quote (Richardthughes @ May 12 2015,21:45) Quote (JohnW @ May 12 2015,18:05) Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ May 12 2015,13:51) Banny A. is huffing and puffing about the immaterial "mind" again.  Eigenstate is making Banny look really bad and getting fed up with Banny's constant evasions.  Finally the frustration shows.     Quote eigenstate May 12, 2015 at 2:39 pm Well, at this point, it’s hard to see this anything but just stupidity on your part being the problem, Barry. I don’t say that very often, online, because I don’t think it’s true but in the most rare cases. But here I can’t see any other explanation. Look for this message to vanish any minute along with Eigenstate's posting privileges. Barry is getting the proverbial seven sorts of shit knocked out of him by eigenstate.  Enjoy it while it lasts! Come, bathe with me in Barry's tears! Quote 76 Barry ArringtonMay 12, 2015 at 8:37 pm E @ 73: I guess we can add “patronizing bastard” to “asshat.” Do you think that Barry will pull an Aurelio Smith with Eigenstate?  Eigenstate has certainly been walking all over Barry's arguments.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 13 2015,00:02    Quote 91 Mapou May 12, 2015 at 10:27 pm Having said that, there is neither red nor green nor blue in the brain or the environment. Color sensations are spirit stuff. They come from the true self. But I would not say they are “abstract” in the sense of non-existent. They certainly do exist in a different realm. I'm guessing he lives in Colorado? -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 13 2015,00:23    I hope somebody's saving this thread!

Woodbine Posts: 1218 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 13 2015,00:44    Quote (Richardthughes @ May 13 2015,06:02)     Quote 91 Mapou May 12, 2015 at 10:27 pm Having said that, there is neither red nor green nor blue in the brain or the environment. Color sensations are spirit stuff. They come from the true self. But I would not say they are “abstract” in the sense of non-existent. They certainly do exist in a different realm. I'm guessing he lives in Colorado? Colours? Subjective? Such insight! It might also clash with Barry's word-view if I'm rememberin' right. Didn't Barry once author an article declaring beauty was objective and not in the eye of the beholder? He illustrated his point with an image of a dilapidated hut(?) as an example of something that was self evidently ugly and if you disagree then you're obviously not using right reason or whatever.

Amadan Posts: 1337 Joined: Jan. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 13 2015,03:36    Banny:   Quote Now here is where E[igenstate]’s evangelism takes on a fundamentalist zeal reminiscent of an Appalachian snake handler. In response to such a question he would stand to his feet, stretch out his arm, point his boney finger at you, and scream “Infidel!” Is Barry suggesting that the fundamentalist zeal of Appalachian snake handlers is something to be deprecated? How will the IDiot constituency take to such elitist sneering? The portents are ominous! -------------- "People are always looking for natural selection to generate random mutations" - Densye  4-4-2011 JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

paragwinn Posts: 539 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 13 2015,04:51    Quote (CeilingCat @ May 12 2015,22:23) I hope somebody's saving this thread! I periodically save the web page and index the versions by the latest post number. I'm also checking for numbering consistency when a post number is referenced in a comment. Sooner or later I will find time for sleep :) -------------- All women build up a resistance [to male condescension]. Apparently, ID did not predict that. -Kristine 4-19-11 F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11 Sigh. Really Bill? - Barry Arrington

Ptaylor Posts: 1180 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 13 2015,06:30    After years of offering the typical spittle-flecked incoherent ravings of of your typical materialist atheist evilutionist Mark Frank runs away in terror from UD: Quote 3 Mark FrankMay 13, 2015 at 4:27 am VJ I don’t know if you were expecting a response from me in particular. But it is a good opportunity for me to sign off from UD. In the light of the fact that comments may be deleted from UD without explanation and also the extraordinary rudeness of Barry’s responses (others are as rude but it is his blog) after many years I have decided I will no longer post here. You may have noticed that quite a lot of other regular ID sceptics have made the same decision. In case it is of interest I will be reading UD and may from time to time comment on TSZ. I expect some people will describe this as running away. As far as I am concerned it was not a fight in the first place, so running away does not really come into it. It has however become a frustrating, time-wasting and unpleasant experience. Many thanks to those of you who have contributed to interesting and polite debate over the years – particularly yourself and Gpuccio. I have learned a lot. ...the utter, utter coward. (need I add: /banny?) -------------- We no longer say: “Another day; another bad day for Darwinism.” We now say: “Another day since the time Darwinism was disproved.” -PaV, Uncommon Descent, 19 June 2016

Amadan Posts: 1337 Joined: Jan. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 13 2015,06:47    Quote (Woodbine @ May 13 2015,06:44) Quote (Richardthughes @ May 13 2015,06:02)       Quote 91 Mapou May 12, 2015 at 10:27 pm Having said that, there is neither red nor green nor blue in the brain or the environment. Color sensations are spirit stuff. They come from the true self. But I would not say they are “abstract” in the sense of non-existent. They certainly do exist in a different realm. I'm guessing he lives in Colorado? Colours? Subjective? Such insight! It might also clash with Barry's word-view if I'm rememberin' right. Didn't Barry once author an article declaring beauty was objective and not in the eye of the beholder? He illustrated his point with an image of a dilapidated hut(?) as an example of something that was self evidently ugly and if you disagree then you're obviously not using right reason or whatever. I wonder has Barry ever looked at his hands. Like really looked at his hands. God, I miss those 2AM bullshit sessions in college. Edited by Amadan on May 13 2015,12:48 -------------- "People are always looking for natural selection to generate random mutations" - Densye  4-4-2011 JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

Texas Teach Posts: 2084 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 13 2015,07:16    Quote (Richardthughes @ May 13 2015,00:02) Quote 91 Mapou May 12, 2015 at 10:27 pm Having said that, there is neither red nor green nor blue in the brain or the environment. Color sensations are spirit stuff. They come from the true self. But I would not say they are “abstract” in the sense of non-existent. They certainly do exist in a different realm. I'm guessing he lives in Colorado? I guess scientists can throw out their spectrometers? -------------- "Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr "I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

KevinB Posts: 525 Joined: April 2013 (Permalink) Posted: May 13 2015,07:17    Quote (Amadan @ May 13 2015,06:47) I wonder has Barry ever looked at his hands. I'd've expected tentacles.      :D

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 13 2015,11:14    Barry's trying to break our ironymeters again Quote There you have it.  They [the TSZ denizens] are skeptical all right.  They are skeptical of everyone’s views but their own, which they hold with a breathtakingly dogmatic tenacity.  It all makes sense to me now -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

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