Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2007,10:35    Rich is having a bit of account trouble so I'm copy/pasting for him. Quote It's an oldie I re-discovered. Decent break over sweet dreams. They change the hook in places and use lennox's voice as in instrument proper, so I think they do enough. I rate this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l1ywpX-g34 Sexi_Hawt Zachriel the Angel of Memory from Jupiter <<< Tarden Chatterbox FtK AFDave This is teh muzik ratings system. It's @ 136 BPM. How fast was the origional? Per the conversation on this page of the Board Mechanics thread. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2007,11:16    I'm not spinning anything at this moment (because ostensibly busy putting food on my family), but yesterday had a delightful moment. Sifting through some LPs abandoned years ago by my sister-in-law I discovered a pristine copy of the Beach Boys' "Shut Down Volume II" recorded in 1964. "Fun Fun Fun" ('till your Daddy took the T-bird away") opens the LP. In addition to this being a GREAT tune, I am absolutely astonished at the quality of the studio engineering on this cut: the use of stereo to augment the complex harmonies is VERY impressive and, of course, the LP presents their voices with a silky accuracy and resolution you've NEVER heard on a CD (sorry guys, its true: the Redbook CD format is mid-fi at best). What a great tune. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2007,11:32    Do you remember the big fuss over DDD CDs? I wasn't that impressed. I'm similarly unimpressed with the gain in HDTV. Music wise, get yourself some 1210's and take good care of your vinyl. Its worth remembering that a lot of early music was mixed for the medium, so it will sound better (warmer) on vinyl. Of course the sound is only as good as the weakest link in your setup... -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2007,11:56    Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 12 2007,12:32) Music wise, get yourself some 1210's and take good care of your vinyl... By which you mean Technics 1210 turntables? I use much older gear: an Empire 398 turntable manufactured in 1962 (with a six pound aluminum platter that could easily be used as a murder weapon) on which I've mounted a SME 3009 II improved arm (circa 1973, made in Britain). That carries an AT 440MLa phono cartridge, which is fantastic tracker and an amazing buy. Played through two tube-fired H-K monaural receivers (circa 1956, used for their amplifier sections only) into home built enclosures containing University Sound drivers from the early '50s and '60s (of which my avatar is one example).   The SACD format sounds much closer to vinyl - but really isn't quite there. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2007,12:13    Not easy to see, but attached to the sill directly behind the turntable is a Hagerman Bugle phono preamp and power supply (which I built from a half-kit), also a fantastic buy. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Annyday Posts: 583 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2007,12:16    I'm young and naive and have been listening to Sneaker Pimps albums for about three days now. I've got a terrible migraine and my ears hurt. -------------- "ALL eight of the "nature" miracles of Jesus could have been accomplished via the electroweak quantum tunneling mechanism. For example, walking on water could be accomplished by directing a neutrino beam created just below Jesus' feet downward." - Frank Tipler, ISCID fellow

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2007,12:17    Quote (Annyday @ Nov. 12 2007,12:16) I'm young and naive and have been listening to Sneaker Pimps albums for about three days now. I've got a terrible migraine and my ears hurt. I have a banging remix of 6 underground. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2007,12:17    Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Nov. 12 2007,12:13) Not easy to see, but attached to the sill directly behind the turntable is a Hagerman Bugle phono preamp and power supply (which I built from a half-kit), also a fantastic buy. Richie's Fracterial Blagella spins a little faster.. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Annyday Posts: 583 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2007,12:18    Remixed by who, and where can I find it? -------------- "ALL eight of the "nature" miracles of Jesus could have been accomplished via the electroweak quantum tunneling mechanism. For example, walking on water could be accomplished by directing a neutrino beam created just below Jesus' feet downward." - Frank Tipler, ISCID fellow

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2007,12:22    Quote (Annyday @ Nov. 12 2007,12:18) Remixed by who, and where can I find it? http://www.artistdirect.com/nad....=search I like the Perfecto one best ( puts on white gloves and blows whistle), the other one is nice and trippy... -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Annyday Posts: 583 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2007,12:25    Danke. From left field, has anyone heard Wumpscut? -------------- "ALL eight of the "nature" miracles of Jesus could have been accomplished via the electroweak quantum tunneling mechanism. For example, walking on water could be accomplished by directing a neutrino beam created just below Jesus' feet downward." - Frank Tipler, ISCID fellow

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2007,12:34    Another analog source, plus a a shot of homebrew enclosure with University reciprocating flare horns (for reference, woofer is 15"). That's the way we used to do it. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2007,13:13    Are you a Muso, Bill? -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2007,13:20    Now spinning the Hammons Family my musicians can whup your musicians -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2007,13:57    Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 12 2007,14:13) Are you a Muso, Bill? Strictly amateur, piano, some composition. Lately I've enjoyed a resurgence as I've been fiddling with midi captures of my piano improvisations. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

mitschlag Posts: 236 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2007,14:51    Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 12 2007,11:32) Music wise, get yourself some 1210's and take good care of your vinyl. Its worth remembering that a lot of early music was mixed for the medium, so it will sound better (warmer) on vinyl. Gimme that old time harmonic distortion: Quote Programmable analog distortion/warmth: Helpful in the pristine but unforgiving digital world. Three audio modes provide user programmable, warm harmonic distortion. Emphasized tube-like 2nd harmonic in clean and Distort 2 mode. In Distort 3 mode the distortion becomes dominated by 3rd harmonic (similar to tape). From this lair of Satan. -------------- "You can establish any “rule” you like if you start with the rule and then interpret the evidence accordingly." - George Gaylord Simpson (1902-1984)

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2007,15:36    Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Nov. 12 2007,13:57) Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 12 2007,14:13) Are you a Muso, Bill? Strictly amateur, piano, some composition. Lately I've enjoyed a resurgence as I've been fiddling with midi captures of my piano improvisations. May I point you here: http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....hl=muso Bill. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2007,19:18    Wow I had no idea so many of you were guitar pickers. Now, what's up with all this electric business?  When S.H.F., you ain't going to be able to do nothin with those fiddles but chop em up for fire wood. My Landola Jumbo however will be going just fine when the power is dead.  As long as I can find a warehouse to break into and steal some strings. Are they a fiddler round hyar?  Any banjo pickers? -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2007,20:00    I'm presuming this to be a general music thread. My setup is pretty ordinary. Decent Soundblaster card going through a y-cable to a Sony STR-K9900P reciever and then to some JBL bookshelf speakers. I've got a little bit of hearing damage and I probably couldn't tell my setup from an extravagant one anyway. And given how allergic audiophiles are to double-blind tests, some of them probably couldn't either. The content--the important part--is the following: Morcheeba - Parts of the Process (whole disc) Tonya Donnelly - Pretty Deep Tool - Sober Jane's Addiction - Jane Says Fountains of Wayne - Stacey's Mom Aimee Mann - Red Vines Christina Aguilera - Dirty

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2007,20:04    Also, Bruce Springsteen - John Henry Smashing Pumpkins - Zero

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2007,20:10    By the way, the video of Dirrty is exactly that. Even Aguilera was a little embarrassed by it later. I highly recommend it.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2007,20:18    Also: Andrea True Connection - More More More Thelma Houston - Don't Leave Me This Way

Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2007,21:15    Mandolin, dulcimer, oud, guitar Not in any order -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

keiths Posts: 2195 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2007,21:49    Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 12 2007,20:00) I've got a little bit of hearing damage and I probably couldn't tell my setup from an extravagant one anyway. And given how allergic audiophiles are to double-blind tests, some of them probably couldn't either. Have you been following this amusing battle between James Randi and fans of the $7250 Pear Anjou stereo cables? -------------- And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number. -- Joe G Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

clamboy Posts: 299 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2007,22:10    Quote (keiths @ Nov. 12 2007,21:49) Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 12 2007,20:00) I've got a little bit of hearing damage and I probably couldn't tell my setup from an extravagant one anyway. And given how allergic audiophiles are to double-blind tests, some of them probably couldn't either. Have you been following [URL=http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/calling-bullshit/updated-journalist-accepts-1-million-challenge-do-7250-cables-sound-better-or-not-311034.p hp?retitled]this amusing battle[/URL] between James Randi and fans of the $7250 Pear Anjou stereo cables? Oh my, yes! Honestly, Randi be danged, I have found the Pears to be *the* cables through which to play the split LP "Earslaughter" by Extreme Noise Terror and Chaos U.K. They bring out the warmth in E.N.T.'s "Bullshit Propaganda", as well as enhancing the tastes of oak and cherry found amid the high ranges of the entire 12". And, of course, those 1210s are de rigeurwhen listening to Sore Throat's "Unhindered by Talent," as well as their magnum opus "Disgrace to the Corpse of Sid".

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2007,22:15    Quote (keiths @ Nov. 12 2007,22:49)       Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 12 2007,20:00) I've got a little bit of hearing damage and I probably couldn't tell my setup from an extravagant one anyway. And given how allergic audiophiles are to double-blind tests, some of them probably couldn't either. Have you been following this amusing battle between James Randi and fans of the $7250 Pear Anjou stereo cables A spoof audio product (audiophile air) I imagined over at the Vintage Asylum: Quote I sell AudioAir, which uses polished nitrogen atoms and balanced O2 for perfect impedance matching between driver diaphragm and AudioAir, as well as AudioAir and human tympani. Each bottle of compressed AudioAir is play tested and broken in for 100 hours with a variety of program materials. The infusion of AudioAir in to your listening atmosphere yields a a more coherent soundstage, higher resolution, superior speed, and prompt activation of the recently discovered musimami receptor. Our promise: No concentrators, humidification, or pulse regulators stand between you and the music, as is the case with with lessor "audiophile" airs. $2395/10 liters. Optional tiptoes for your bottle of AudioAir $195. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4991 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2007,22:17    Check your high-end cable savvy. Don't look at the comments until you make your choice. -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2007,22:24    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Nov. 12 2007,23:17) Check your high-end cable savvy. Don't look at the comments until you make your choice. I got as far as figuring that it had to do with a problematic push-pull (class B) amplifier topology. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2007,22:35    Over at the AudioAsylum discussion of double blind and ABX testing is strictly forbidden in certain fora, particularly the forum dealing with cables. "Why are DBT discussions not allowed? Quite simply, the reason is that these topics rarely spark a productive exchange. While a vast majority of Asylum inmates are firmly in the middle ground, the topics of DBT and ABX tend to force polarization and quickly degrade into death spiraling flame wars." -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4991 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2007,22:38    It reminded me of the joke about Radio Shack computer salesmen: Quote Q. What's the difference between a used-car salesman and a Radio Shack computer salesman? A. The used-car salesman knows when he is lying to you. -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2007,22:49    Quote (keiths @ Nov. 12 2007,22:49) Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 12 2007,20:00) I've got a little bit of hearing damage and I probably couldn't tell my setup from an extravagant one anyway. And given how allergic audiophiles are to double-blind tests, some of them probably couldn't either. Have you been following [URL=http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/calling-bullshit/updated-journalist-accepts-1-million-challenge-do-7250-cables-sound-better-or-not-311034.p hp?retitled]this amusing battle[/URL] between James Randi and fans of the $7250 Pear Anjou stereo cables? Yes I have, actually. A friend remarked, "I'm going to claim my cables are saturated in helium and retire after selling a few $50,000 pairs to these idiots."

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2007,22:55    Quote (clamboy @ Nov. 12 2007,23:10) Quote (keiths @ Nov. 12 2007,21:49) Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 12 2007,20:00) I've got a little bit of hearing damage and I probably couldn't tell my setup from an extravagant one anyway. And given how allergic audiophiles are to double-blind tests, some of them probably couldn't either. Have you been following [URL=http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/calling-bullshit/updated-journalist-accepts-1-million-challenge-do-7250-cables-sound-better-or-not-311034.p hp?retitled]this amusing battle[/URL] between James Randi and fans of the $7250 Pear Anjou stereo cables? Oh my, yes! Honestly, Randi be danged, I have found the Pears to be *the* cables through which to play the split LP "Earslaughter" by Extreme Noise Terror and Chaos U.K. They bring out the warmth in E.N.T.'s "Bullshit Propaganda", as well as enhancing the tastes of oak and cherry found amid the high ranges of the entire 12". And, of course, those 1210s are de rigeurwhen listening to Sore Throat's "Unhindered by Talent," as well as their magnum opus "Disgrace to the Corpse of Sid". I hope this post is a joke, because it's f'n funny.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2007,22:59    I remember the last pair of Oakley sunglasses I bought. $120. They came with a spectrograph of wavelengths they block. Nice little graph. At the time I was doing some biophysics research that utilized an IR spectrometer. I positioned the setup to evaluate some cheap Target sunglasses I'd bought, and, confirming the well-known-fact that basically all plastics block nearly all UV light, promptly dispensed with buying expensive sunglasses.

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4991 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2007,23:00    Up until 1998, I could detect a 20 kHz tone. I was disappointed the following year to discover that 14 kHz was my new top-end. I haven't pulled out the tone generator recently to test. I think I'm afraid of what I would learn. But I find my music-listening needs are pretty much fulfilled by convenient MP3 player technology and good headphones or amplified speakers. This past January, I dug out my turntable, got a replacement belt, and digitized the LPs that I either wanted to hear shortly or figured that I was never going to see in CD format anyway. (I don't suppose the Temple City Kazoo Orchestra is simply biding their time on a release.) The turntable and my few remaining pieces of component stereo stuff (minus a cassette deck that I kept) went to a friend and the LPs went to Half-Price Books. I do get a kick out of wandering around the high-end audiophile areas at CES, though. It's a place where one can find BS stacked up almost as high as in antievolution sources, but they certainly have antievolution beat on the pricing. $800 for a six-foot "power interconnect", anyone? That's a "power cord" to the rest of us, and in the unlikely event that I get a bunch of component audiophile gear at home sometime, I will happily use the $5 sort of "power interconnect" to plug it into the wall, which after all is wired with the cheapest Romex the contractor at the time could manage to locate, and delivers power engineered by people working hourly for my local municipality. One thing that has been amusing for some time is that high-end equipment manufacturers like to use bleeding-edge light sources for "power-on" indicators, even though this has absolutely no relation to the sound quality of the system, and a simple, cheap red LED would continue to do as fine a job today as they did back in the 1970s. I think it was around 2000 that blue LEDs had finally become available in consumer applications, and suddenly every system's power-on indicator light simply had to be a blue LED. I wonder if they will halt there, or if they will continue on to using UV-emitting LEDs, possibly with a fluorescent surround to show it off. -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2007,23:08    My hearing damage is much more acute. All those good times as a young redneck blasting shotguns, and being right handed, resulted in a number of comments that the left hand speaker must be especially weak. It wasn't til I was at MEPS in Jacksonville, Fla, and they remarked, "-20 dB in left ear" that I realized it wasn't the speakers that were malfunctional....

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2007,23:17    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Nov. 13 2007,00:00) $800 for a six-foot "power interconnect", anyone? That's a "power cord" to the rest of us, and in the unlikely event that I get a bunch of component audiophile gear at home sometime, I will happily use the $5 sort of "power interconnect" to plug it into the wall, which after all is wired with the cheapest Romex the contractor at the time could manage to locate, and delivers power engineered by people working hourly for my local municipality. Apologies to the kiddies for the profanity, but here's an actual quote from a (real) audiophile friend last week: "Yeah, power cables. Jesus. Some idiot was telling me about how much bass his power cable had. 'Oh, feel the bass in this cable.' I didn't have the heart to tell him his special bassy power cable was on one side of the wall jack, and on the other was the cheapest aluminum shit the electrician could buy. This is like those African wood cable stands. Fucking idiots have too much money."

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2007,23:19    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Nov. 13 2007,00:00) Up until 1998, I could detect a 20 kHz tone. I was disappointed the following year to discover that 14 kHz was my new top-end. I haven't pulled out the tone generator recently to test. I think I'm afraid of what I would learn. I'm 55 and my hearing tops out at about 14 kHz. My right ear does very slightly better than my left, apparently (14 kHz versus 13.5). But if IIRC the decision was made to filter FM stereo above 15kHz (to allow headroom for the mulitplex carrier) following extensive blind studies that showed that most listeners could not distinguish between music reproduced with content above 15 kHz and that which did not. At any rate, there's a lot of sweetness to enjoy below 14 kHz.   My most recent source of sweetness: approximately 400 recently acquired LPs, all classical and most in excellent condition. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2007,23:23    I've heard that tubes and vinyl have pleasant even harmonics, while solid state stuff have unpleasant odd harmonics. Anyone know if this is true?

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2007,23:42    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Nov. 12 2007,23:00) This past January, I dug out my turntable, got a replacement belt, and digitized the LPs that I either wanted to hear shortly or figured that I was never going to see in CD format anyway. I am not quite the audiophile that y'all are, but I do have a number of LPs that I would like to digitize due to lack of availability in mp3 format.  Given that I have a working turntable, is it possible to get set up to digitize with minimal cost? It may end up being cost effective just to use a service, but there is a certain appeal to DIY. Quote (I don't suppose the Temple City Kazoo Orchestra is simply biding their time on a release.) Ya think?     -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2007,23:58    Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 13 2007,00:23) I've heard that tubes and vinyl have pleasant even harmonics, while solid state stuff have unpleasant odd harmonics. Anyone know if this is true? That's the theory vis tubes, although not vinyl. Some argue that well designed solid state and tube amplifiers sound equivalent until overdriven. The harmonic distortion generated by tubes near clipping is 2nd order versus 3rd and higher for SS, and is therefore less noticeable and less objectionable. There are other differences that relate to the interaction between amplifiers and speakers of varying designs; speakers often present very complex loads, with impedance that varies wildly with frequency, so there are significant speaker - amplifier interactions. Additionally, SS equipment typically presents a damping factor to a speaker an order of magnitude higher than does tube equipment, which gives it much more control over bass performance - good for some speaker designs (e.g. acoustic suspension), bad for others (horns, bass reflex, ported designs).   The bottom line is that matching speaker to amplifier is often more important than the characteristics of individual components. All my stuff is quite vintage, and matches well.   The advantage of vinyl is resolution. The "redbook" CD data format reflects some very serious and audible compromises that limit the resolution of the sound, particularly at high frequencies. It is not that digital is inherently inferior - but rather the sampling and data formats selected in the early '80s for CDs, which was adapted to the realities of the computer power that could be mass produced for a consumer device at that time, introduced limitations.   Practically speaking, I find that well engineered vinyl recordings retain a "silkiness" in massed strings, a high frequency "sheen" with brushed cymbals, and a purity with voices and woodwinds that I've never heard in from a CD, at least not with my equipment. "Sound stage" (the sense of a space spreading between the speakers) is also subtly superior. When I first resuscitated my turntable and returned to vinyl I experienced a shock of recognition: Oh, THAT!!!  I hadn't heard THAT in 20 years, a set of qualities I had associated with high fidelity, but had forgotten. When CDs were first introduced we were all wowed by the low noise floor, convenience, and lack of wear with repeated playing and didn't notice what we had lost. Mp3s are even worse, introducing an audible "edge" that I liken to a metallic taste in food. SACD and DVD digital audio are of far higher resolution and are very close to analog. The irony of the design selected for CDs is that a vastly superior system (although probably not practical to implement as a mass market device) existed at that time: Telarc's "Soundstream" digital recording system. Superior in every respect, those recordings are breathtaking in their quality, but there are just two ways to hear them the way they were intended: via the original LPs (recorded as soundstream digital masters and directly transfered to the vinyl cutting heads) or the re-releases now available as SACDs. They don't convert well to CDs because of artifacts introduced in mathematically converting data generated by the 50 kHz sampling rate of the soundstream system to the 44 kHz sampling rate of the Redbook format. Here is a great little "tiny history" of High Fidelity that speaks to many of these issues. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

clamboy Posts: 299 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2007,00:34    Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 12 2007,22:55) Quote (clamboy @ Nov. 12 2007,23:10) Quote (keiths @ Nov. 12 2007,21:49)   Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 12 2007,20:00) I've got a little bit of hearing damage and I probably couldn't tell my setup from an extravagant one anyway. And given how allergic audiophiles are to double-blind tests, some of them probably couldn't either. Have you been following [URL=http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/calling-bullshit/updated-journalist-accepts-1-million-challenge-do-7250-cables-sound-better-or-not-311034.p hp?retitled]this amusing battle[/URL] between James Randi and fans of the $7250 Pear Anjou stereo cables? Oh my, yes! Honestly, Randi be danged, I have found the Pears to be *the* cables through which to play the split LP "Earslaughter" by Extreme Noise Terror and Chaos U.K. They bring out the warmth in E.N.T.'s "Bullshit Propaganda", as well as enhancing the tastes of oak and cherry found amid the high ranges of the entire 12". And, of course, those 1210s are de rigeurwhen listening to Sore Throat's "Unhindered by Talent," as well as their magnum opus "Disgrace to the Corpse of Sid". I hope this post is a joke, because it's f'n funny. The truly funny part is that I actually own those albums, and take great joy in their playing. What is it that makes a human being revel in horrendous ear-splattering tonesofdestruction whirlwind tornado ultrahurricane pure brutality noise? Or does that question contain its own answer?

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2007,02:54    {raises hand tentatively} Ummm I am listening to the new Ween album on my PC with some £8.99 headphones whilst sat at my desk.* {slinks away} Louis *Obviously at home I have the £4000 Krypton infused iridium/silver alloy cables By IntelligentDesignUberMusic. Those IDUM cables really make a big difference, they're so good I don't actually need a stereo I just sit my CD next to them and the warm musical tones flood out. As the slogan says: Everbody Knows IDUM. -------------- Bye.

Nomad Posts: 311 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2007,04:37    I'm very much a member of the CD generation.  I'm highly skeptical of the claims of vinyl superiority.  I'm willing and indeed interested in carrying out a test sometime to see if I can hear the difference, but I've made my decision to stick with the digital world for practical matters.  I need a sound system that can fit in my pocket and plug into earphones, and also a medium that can fit into the sound system (factory spec, nothing fancy about it) in my car.  Perhaps if I had an audiophile buddy I might find myself spending all my time basking in the high end sound and I might ultimately make the transition myself.. but for now I get my music the new fangled digital way. This thread has gotten me to look back through my collection of CDs that I've converted to mp3 (or AAC, or OGG) format for my mp3 player.  I'm currently listening to the soundtrack to the movie Heavy Metal.  Specifically, at the moment I've got Grand Funk Railroad on, playing Queen Bee. But lately I haven't really been listening to much.  I'm kind of on a musical low point.  I'm both SEVERELY annoyed at the behavior of the RIAA and the labels supporting it, and also frustrated by a lack of quality music coming out from them.  I've enacted a most likely futile personal boycott of everything produced by any company that contributes to the RIAA.  It's not really that big a deal since I'm hard pressed to find anything new that I'm into anyway.  I've got hundreds of CDs from an earlier, voracious musical consumption period, but I'm hungry for something new. BT (the artist) could probably break my will and get me to abandon my boycott by just coming out with a new album that includes a song he's performed live that I've heard through youtube.  It's terribly distorted, but it leaves me positively drooling for a chance to hear a proper version of it.  The song is Mad World, originally by Tears for Fears but more recently redone in a minimalist style for the movie Donnie Darko and then popularized in a commercial for a video game. Instead he comes out with a minimalist CD/DVD thing.. why does he taunt me so? If I may explain, I write fiction (mostly science fiction) as a hobby.  I do it in a stupid, withdrawn sort of way in that I've never shown anyone 99% of what I've written.  Like I said, it's a hobby, I do it for my own amusement.  But I need music for it, everything I write is fueled by the music I'm listening to at the time.  I have one story that I desperately want to make a movie out of, if nothing else just so I can use another BT song as the song that starts playing just at the end of the movie.  I hear the song and I can visualize exactly how the ending visuals would occur, to me the song has the visual cues embedded within it. With my current musical low point my writing has also ground to a stop.  It's a REALLY annoying feeling.. like creative constipation.  Hmm.. and music is my laxative.. yeah.. that's.. unpleasant..  I think of it more like a performance enhancing drug.  Exciting new songs open up new ideas to me. Anyway, if we're going to be mentioning favored artists all I can really say is that I have a weak spot for almost anything from the 80s.  Especially the pop and techno-pop of the era.  Level 42, Toto, Bruce Hornsby, Howard Jones, Glass Tiger, Wang Chung, Journey, New Order, Boston.. And then I'm also a big electronic music devotee, so I should also add The Prodigy, Orbital, Apollo 440, Daft Punk (almost exclusively Discovery, I don't really care for their other albums), and I guess I'll wrap that category up with William Orbit.

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2007,07:07    Quote (Nomad @ Nov. 13 2007,05:37) I'm very much a member of the CD generation.  I'm highly skeptical of the claims of vinyl superiority.  I'm willing and indeed interested in carrying out a test sometime to see if I can hear the difference, but I've made my decision to stick with the digital world for practical matters. Of course, CDs offer significant advantages over vinyl, including some sonic advantages (noise floor and dynamic range). I haven't played any LPs in my car lately, nor burned any. They're heavy, not very portable, and are easily damaged. Random access is arduous. And good equipment is required for good reproduction. There are many excellent CDs, and some LPs are poorly engineered and present mediocre sound. SACD is even better, and I own an SACD player. That said, the advantages of vinyl I describe are very real, and in some respects not all that subtle, and it adds up to an emotional connection to some performances that is bleached out of many CD recordings.  Whether those advantages are worth the trouble is another question. Indeed, convenience is clearly winning the day: although high density and truly high fidelity digital formats (SACD, DVD audio) have been available for a few years, they haven't been successful, as the world goes for the convenience of MP3s - which are significantly sonically inferior even to CDs. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

IanBrown_101 Posts: 927 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2007,07:10    Wow, what's with all this heavy technical stuff? I have no idea, nor do I really care about that, if it sounds good on whatever I play it on, then whatever I play it on is alright by me. Personally I have a huge love of the old Madchester scene (no, that's not a typo despite what spell checker says), Stone Roses, Charlatans, Happy Mondays and all their ilk.  (for those who have no idea who I'm on about: The Stone Roses although I urge caution for some of you, the lyrics can be somewhat....blasphemous, particularly in that song The Charlatans Happy Mondays I also adore Inspiral Carpets Link. Finally, Ian Brown, from the Stone Roses (hence the name, which I used first a few years ago to hide my real name somewhere and subsequently use everywhere, because it's easy) has a rather good solo career. Here's one of his, F.E.A.R. Plus I love a lot of older music, big fan of the Beatles, Beach Boys, Buddy Holly, Johnny Cash, James Brown.... Quite a lot of different genres really, and loads of artists. Add a smattering of Classical in there too. However, I almost entirely (almost) dislike Hip Hop and "new" R n B (although the actual RnB is awesome) and I can't stand most (but not all) Dance music. -------------- I'm not the fastest or the baddest or the fatest. You NEVER seem to address the fact that the grand majority of people supporting Darwinism in these on line forums and blogs are atheists. That doesn't seem to bother you guys in the least. - FtK Roddenberry is my God.

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2007,07:35    just listen to the sustain... -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2007,08:59    Nomad sez: Quote BT (the artist) could probably break my will and get me to abandon my boycott by just coming out with a new album that includes a song he's performed live that I've heard through youtube. I like BT, I misremember him doing this remix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsVlA_x6Ylk Turns out it wasn't him. Still, very good tune. I Like the ride out out the end, it's the sound of nihilism to me. dial up to 5.19 - it's like a radioactive wind that blows through you. Now that's the sound of pointless atheism!   Quote And then I'm also a big electronic music devotee, so I should also add The Prodigy, Orbital, Apollo 440, Daft Punk (almost exclusively Discovery, I don't really care for their other albums), and I guess I'll wrap that category up with William Orbit. Do you has liquid cool? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kCJ3k3zzGQ its in ur ears makin u hapie. William orbit is a genius, which is not a term to be thrown around lightly. I like all his stuff ('cept "Loadsamoney" for Harry enfield, which is utter gash) "Seagreen" and "Water from a vine leaf" are probably the most spiritual to me but Fascinating Rhythm is my fave. The sample from "Foxy lady" cracks me up. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2007,13:09    Right now, I am listening to Duke Jupiter - The Band Played On.  This was a local (Rochester, NY) band that was getting national airplay and opening for some rock heavyweights in the late 70's and early 80's, but never quite broke through on their own.  It is pretty much straight ahead, no frills and no deep thinking rock and roll that was typical the time.  Some of it is forgettable, and some is still fun to listen to, like "I'll Drink to You." Also, in the last day I've listened to Johnny Cash - American V: A Hundred Highways (his last album) and The Waterboys - Fisherman's Blues. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2007,13:25    Quote (IanBrown_101 @ Nov. 13 2007,05:10) Wow, what's with all this heavy technical stuff? I have no idea, nor do I really care about that, if it sounds good on whatever I play it on, then whatever I play it on is alright by me. Indeed.  I used to know someone who demonstrated that vinyl sounds better than CD - I heard two versions of the same recording on his system, and the vinyl version was definitely superior.  His system cost more than most cars.  I have a decent but not spectacular set of gear (NAD CD player & amp, Snell speakers, Sennheiser headphones, iPod+Ultimate Ears on the road), giving me more money to spend on actual music.  I'm considering moving the shower and toilet onto the back steps to make more room for CDs. Last five purchases: John Surman: The Spaces In Between; Fred Hersch: Night and the Music; Death Ambient (now there's a good band name): Synaesthesia; Groundtruther; Altitude; Paul Bley: Solo in Mondsee. About two-thirds of what I own is jazz, more or less.  Lately I've been listening to a lot of jazz/electronic hybrid stuff - the Thirsty Ear and Tzadik labels have been putting out a lot of very interesting music lately.  The rest is all over the place - a fair amount of classical, reggae, blues, R&B.  Plus a lot of the stuff I grew up with: the likes of Joy Division, the Clash, Talking Heads, Elvis Costello, XTC... For what it's worth (this obviously reflects the artists' productivity as much as my tastes), the longest stretches of shelf space are devoted to Sun Ra, Miles Davis and Frank Zappa. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2007,03:11    Call me a facist but I think anyone who doesn't like Zappa should be killed. Painfully. When the revolution comes there will be three questions: 1) Do you like the music of Frank Zappa? (with the obvious follow up questions to detect frauds) 2) Do you understand what Pink Floyd are talking about on the Dark Side of the Moon album? (with the obivous discussion) 3) Is S-Club-7's output "music"? Killin people who get those answers wrong could solve a lot of humanity's problems.* Louis *It's possible, although by no means certain, that I am not serious. -------------- Bye.

Mister DNA Posts: 466 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2007,03:36    Quote (Louis @ Nov. 14 2007,03:11) Call me a facist but I think anyone who doesn't like Zappa should be killed. Painfully. When the revolution comes there will be three questions: 1) Do you like the music of Frank Zappa? (with the obvious follow up questions to detect frauds) One of those follow up questions would be: Which is your favorite Zappa lineup? I'm partial to the Roxy & Elsewhere and One Size Fits All period, followed by the Flo & Eddie era, with the original Mothers of Invention lineup coming in third. Oh yeah... count me among those whose hearing is too fucked to worry about high-end audio applications. I used to be in a surf instrumental band - the lack of a vocalist allowed us to play at Motorhead-levels of volume. It was fun at the time, but my right eardrum hates me today. -------------- CBEB's: The Church Burnin' Ebola Blog Thank you, Dr. Dembski. You are without peer when it comes to The Argument Regarding Design. - vesf

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2007,03:59    Quote (Mister DNA @ Nov. 14 2007,09:36) Quote (Louis @ Nov. 14 2007,03:11) Call me a facist but I think anyone who doesn't like Zappa should be killed. Painfully. When the revolution comes there will be three questions: 1) Do you like the music of Frank Zappa? (with the obvious follow up questions to detect frauds) One of those follow up questions would be: Which is your favorite Zappa lineup? I'm partial to the Roxy & Elsewhere and One Size Fits All period, followed by the Flo & Eddie era, with the original Mothers of Invention lineup coming in third. {snip} Good question, it shall be added to the Glorious Follow Up Questions of the People's Righteous Revolution. Terry Bosio, Patrick O'Hearn, Johnny Marr..... Oh dear, I appear to have had an accident. Very sorry. Louis P.S. I'm not sure of the spellings of the names, I'm am removed from my collection at the moment. I also confess a not insignificant liking for the combination of Steve Vai and Frank Zappa, although I realise this is controversial and may cause a schism. -------------- Bye.

IanBrown_101 Posts: 927 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2007,07:10    Quote Do you understand what Pink Floyd are talking about on the Dark Side of the Moon album? (with the obivous discussion) S'life isn't it? -------------- I'm not the fastest or the baddest or the fatest. You NEVER seem to address the fact that the grand majority of people supporting Darwinism in these on line forums and blogs are atheists. That doesn't seem to bother you guys in the least. - FtK Roddenberry is my God.

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2007,07:14    Quote (Mister DNA @ Nov. 14 2007,04:36)         Quote (Louis @ Nov. 14 2007,03:11) Call me a facist but I think anyone who doesn't like Zappa should be killed. Painfully. When the revolution comes there will be three questions: 1) Do you like the music of Frank Zappa? (with the obvious follow up questions to detect frauds) One of those follow up questions would be: Which is your favorite Zappa lineup? I'm partial to the Roxy & Elsewhere and One Size Fits All period, followed by the Flo & Eddie era, with the original Mothers of Invention lineup coming in third. Oh yeah... count me among those whose hearing is too fucked to worry about high-end audio applications. I used to be in a surf instrumental band - the lack of a vocalist allowed us to play at Motorhead-levels of volume. It was fun at the time, but my right eardrum hates me today. My favorite Zappa lineup was the middle and late iterations of the original Mothers of Invention (Ray Collins on vocals, Jimmy Carl Black, Motorhead Sherwood, Ian Underwood, Roy Estrada, Bunk Gardner, Don Preston, Arthur Tripp) found on WOIFTM, Uncle Meat, Burnt Weeny Sandwich, Weasels Ripped My Flesh, Cruising with Rueben and the Jets, etc. They didn't have quite the superhuman performance skills of some of the later bands, but the music of that era is particularly original and inspired, and there was a sort of looney, Doo-Wop, faux hispanic, multi-track goofiness to that ensemble that was never (IMHO) quite recaptured. Yet even then the tightness and complexity of Frank's music had no parallel elsewhere in rock. I somewhat lost interest only because I discovered orchestral music - classical era right through the 20th century - which had many of the qualities I loved in Zappa done even more skillfully. It was during the late 60s and early 70's that I first got into Frank Zappa, and I have particular fondness for that era (so my nurses tell me). However, during the recent Zappa plays Zappa tour I heard a lot of middle and later Zappa that I had never heard before and REALLY LIKED, so this is a provisional top preference. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

George Posts: 316 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2007,07:33    I wonder what's the correlation between Zappa appreciation and Church Burnin'.  Seems pretty high.  Likewise, how many hands would be required to count the number of creationist Zappa fans? Me, my favourite lineup varies by week.  Lately I find I prefer the high Statistical Density Zappa. But for something completely different, I'm now listening to Hampton Colisseum, 9 Oct '89.  The band?  Man, if you have to ask, you just ain't hip.

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2007,11:07    Quote (Mister DNA @ Nov. 14 2007,01:36) I'm partial to the Roxy & Elsewhere and One Size Fits All period, Yes.  If I could only take one Zappa album to the desert island, it would probably be One Size Fits All, or possibly You Can't Do That On Stage Any More vol. 2.   Quote (Mister DNA @ Nov. 14 2007,01:36) followed by the Flo & Eddie era, Not his best period, in my opinion.  I love 200 Motels, but I find most of the rest too concerned with "ooh, aren't we rude?" at the expense of the music.   Quote (Mister DNA @ Nov. 14 2007,01:36) ...the original Mothers of Invention lineup Yes again.  Is Freak Out the best debut album ever? Also, don't forget the phenomenal 1988 big band.  Make A Jazz Noise Here is another desert-island possibility, and The Best Band You Never Heard In Your Life is not far behind. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2007,21:21    Quote (JohnW @ Nov. 14 2007,12:07)   Quote (Mister DNA @ Nov. 14 2007,01:36) I'm partial to the Roxy & Elsewhere and One Size Fits All period, Yes.  If I could only take one Zappa album to the desert island, it would probably be One Size Fits All, or possibly You Can't Do That On Stage Any More vol. 2. You should'a heard the Zappa Plays Zappa* live rendition of Andy. Absafuckinglutely awesome. *Dweezil's band, currently touring and playing his father's music. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2007,21:38    Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Nov. 12 2007,23:58) Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 13 2007,00:23) I've heard that tubes and vinyl have pleasant even harmonics, while solid state stuff have unpleasant odd harmonics. Anyone know if this is true? That's the theory vis tubes, although not vinyl. Some argue that well designed solid state and tube amplifiers sound equivalent until overdriven. The harmonic distortion generated by tubes near clipping is 2nd order versus 3rd and higher for SS, and is therefore less noticeable and less objectionable. I once had a record dealer friend who swore that the best sound quality he'd ever heard came from vinyl 78's, which had a short-lived existence for a few years in the 1950's. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2007,21:40    Quote (Louis @ Nov. 14 2007,03:59)   Quote (Mister DNA @ Nov. 14 2007,09:36)   Quote (Louis @ Nov. 14 2007,03:11) Call me a facist but I think anyone who doesn't like Zappa should be killed. Painfully. When the revolution comes there will be three questions: 1) Do you like the music of Frank Zappa? (with the obvious follow up questions to detect frauds) One of those follow up questions would be: Which is your favorite Zappa lineup? I'm partial to the Roxy & Elsewhere and One Size Fits All period, followed by the Flo & Eddie era, with the original Mothers of Invention lineup coming in third. {snip} Good question, it shall be added to the Glorious Follow Up Questions of the People's Righteous Revolution. Terry Bosio, Patrick O'Hearn, Johnny Marr..... Oh dear, I appear to have had an accident. Very sorry. Louis P.S. I'm not sure of the spellings of the names, I'm am removed from my collection at the moment. I also confess a not insignificant liking for the combination of Steve Vai and Frank Zappa, although I realise this is controversial and may cause a schism. My favorite Zappa albums are We're Only In It For the Money (complete genius) and Freak Out.  Two of the funniest records EVER made. Zappa was an amazingly smart guy, but I, uh, find his later records really boring. [runs as Louis reaches for his shotgun] -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2007,21:54    THIS record, however, is an unqualified masterpiece: I've owned this record in one form or another since 1982 and I still can't believe everything Iggy and the boys managed to do with it. It was originally recorded in 1970 and it *still* frightens people. When I saw them in concert last Spring they played *every* track off it, even 'L.A. Blues'. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2007,21:59    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Nov. 15 2007,22:38) Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Nov. 12 2007,23:58)   Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 13 2007,00:23) I've heard that tubes and vinyl have pleasant even harmonics, while solid state stuff have unpleasant odd harmonics. Anyone know if this is true? That's the theory vis tubes, although not vinyl. Some argue that well designed solid state and tube amplifiers sound equivalent until overdriven. The harmonic distortion generated by tubes near clipping is 2nd order versus 3rd and higher for SS, and is therefore less noticeable and less objectionable. I once had a record dealer friend who swore that the best sound quality he'd ever heard came from vinyl 78's, which had a short-lived existence for a few years in the 1950's. If you REALLY want to feel the music go for an Edison cylinder. Accept no substitutes. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2007,22:40    Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Nov. 15 2007,21:59) Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Nov. 15 2007,22:38)   Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Nov. 12 2007,23:58)     Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 13 2007,00:23) I've heard that tubes and vinyl have pleasant even harmonics, while solid state stuff have unpleasant odd harmonics. Anyone know if this is true? That's the theory vis tubes, although not vinyl. Some argue that well designed solid state and tube amplifiers sound equivalent until overdriven. The harmonic distortion generated by tubes near clipping is 2nd order versus 3rd and higher for SS, and is therefore less noticeable and less objectionable. I once had a record dealer friend who swore that the best sound quality he'd ever heard came from vinyl 78's, which had a short-lived existence for a few years in the 1950's. If you REALLY want to feel the music go for an Edison cylinder. Accept no substitutes. I agree completely. The Blue Amberol series they released in 1912 has never been surpassed. This one's been on my machine a lot lately: -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Seizure Salad Posts: 60 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,01:05    I recently opted for this sucker: http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/products/pek/index.php instead of a fancy-pants stereo setup. Right now I'm spinning JS Bach's The Art of Fugue BWV 1080, switching between the Keller Quartet's interpretation, and Glenn Gould's. (For those of you who want astounding complexity not only in your natural world, but in your music as well, this is the music to get into). Also, the new Radiohead album, which is every bit as awesome as it should be.

Mister DNA Posts: 466 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,03:58    Here's a treat for all you Zappa fans, especially fans of the really old stuff: two tracks from Larry "Wild Man" Fischer's 1968 debut album, An Evening with Wild Man Fischer (produced by FZ). Larry & His Guitar and Circle In order to get the full effect, download both mp3s and play them starting with "Larry & His Guitar" and let it segue into "Circle". However, if you're familiar with Wild Man Fischer's other work and find it hard to consume, just download "Circle"; you won't be disappointed. -------------- CBEB's: The Church Burnin' Ebola Blog Thank you, Dr. Dembski. You are without peer when it comes to The Argument Regarding Design. - vesf

Nomad Posts: 311 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,04:17    Quote (Seizure Salad @ Nov. 16 2007,01:05) I recently opted for this sucker: http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/products/pek/index.php instead of a fancy-pants stereo setup. Woah..  now that's a keyboard.   I'm listening to the samples on the page, and... I'm struck by how much this sounds like the soundtrack to the original Doctor Who series (unlike the fairly generic, obviously synthesized orchestral soundtrack of the new one).  Not just the music, but the trippy analog synth sound effects too. I'd like to learn to play keyboards.  But I need to learn a lot about basic music theory, I'm completely ignorant in that area.

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,11:31    Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Nov. 15 2007,19:21) Quote (JohnW @ Nov. 14 2007,12:07)   Quote (Mister DNA @ Nov. 14 2007,01:36) I'm partial to the Roxy & Elsewhere and One Size Fits All period, Yes.  If I could only take one Zappa album to the desert island, it would probably be One Size Fits All, or possibly You Can't Do That On Stage Any More vol. 2. You should'a heard the Zappa Plays Zappa* live rendition of Andy. Absafuckinglutely awesome. *Dweezil's band, currently touring and playing his father's music. I hope to.  Monday night, Paramount, Seattle. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Seizure Salad Posts: 60 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,20:52    Quote (Nomad @ Nov. 16 2007,04:17) Quote (Seizure Salad @ Nov. 16 2007,01:05) I recently opted for this sucker: http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/products/pek/index.php instead of a fancy-pants stereo setup. Woah..  now that's a keyboard.   I'm listening to the samples on the page, and... I'm struck by how much this sounds like the soundtrack to the original Doctor Who series (unlike the fairly generic, obviously synthesized orchestral soundtrack of the new one).  Not just the music, but the trippy analog synth sound effects too. I'd like to learn to play keyboards.  But I need to learn a lot about basic music theory, I'm completely ignorant in that area. It's probably the most technologically advanced real analogue synthesizer on the market. There's also the Voyager by Moog http://www.moogmusic.com/detail.php?main_product_id=163  but it's overpriced and only has one voice, and the Andromeda by Alesis http://www.alesis.com/product.php?id=10 which has 16 voices, but is colder sounding and complex to program, and the new Prophet 8 by Dave Smith as well  http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/products/p8/index.php which has eight voices but lacks the insane sound-sculpting capabilities of the PolyEvolver. The PolyEvolver rocks because it's an analogue/digital hybrid, with two digital oscillators complimenting the two real analogue oscillators. Plus it has Curtis Filters and a bunch of other crazy features, like Output Hack and Tuned Feedback and so forth. The only thing more awesome than these kinds of boutique synthesizers are customized modular systems like the kind you can get from Synthesizers.com, or Buchla. But they're ridiculously expensive. If you're getting into synthesizers, you don't need to have mad technical skills on the keyboard. You should know your scales and chord groups, and stuff, but it's really important to learn about synthesis and how to program the things, because that's where the real awesomeness lies. The absolute best newbie synth, no question, is the Alesis Ion http://www.alesis.com/product.php?id=9 It's not real analogue, but it sounds damn close, and its quality/features-to-price ratio is unheard of in the synth industry.

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,20:57    Quote (JohnW @ Nov. 16 2007,12:31) Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Nov. 15 2007,19:21) Quote (JohnW @ Nov. 14 2007,12:07)     Quote (Mister DNA @ Nov. 14 2007,01:36) I'm partial to the Roxy & Elsewhere and One Size Fits All period, Yes.  If I could only take one Zappa album to the desert island, it would probably be One Size Fits All, or possibly You Can't Do That On Stage Any More vol. 2. You should'a heard the Zappa Plays Zappa* live rendition of Andy. Absafuckinglutely awesome. *Dweezil's band, currently touring and playing his father's music. I hope to.  Monday night, Paramount, Seattle. Don't miss it man. Don't miss it. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Jim_Wynne Posts: 1208 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 17 2007,10:04    Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Nov. 12 2007,12:34) Another analog source, plus a a shot of homebrew enclosure with University reciprocating flare horns (for reference, woofer is 15"). That's the way we used to do it. The saddest person I ever encountered was a guy in my favorite audio store in the early 70s who had scrimped and saved for a long time to buy the JBL Paragon and then found that he couldn't get up the stairs to his apartment. Of course, Providence may have been on his side, as having one of those in an apartment might not have been thought a good idea by his neighbors. -------------- Evolution is not about laws but about randomness on happanchance.--Robert Byers, at PT

Mister DNA Posts: 466 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2007,22:14    Stevestory's mention of "Bjork's a dork" got me thinking... my brother has a theory (and it's only a theory) that everyone likes at least one band/artist that they're ashamed to admit to liking. His example was Frankie Valli & the Four Seasons. When I told him I like Sweet (you know, of "Ballroom Blitz" fame), he said, "Yeah, I'd be ashamed, too." Everyone laughs when I say I like ABBA, too. No Americans laugh when I say I like Boney M, though. They just say, "Boney who?". I'm curious what other shameful musical secrets lurk in the hearts and eardrums of AtBC readers? -------------- CBEB's: The Church Burnin' Ebola Blog Thank you, Dr. Dembski. You are without peer when it comes to The Argument Regarding Design. - vesf

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2007,22:55    Quote (Mister DNA @ Dec. 04 2007,22:14) Stevestory's mention of "Bjork's a dork" got me thinking... my brother has a theory (and it's only a theory) that everyone likes at least one band/artist that they're ashamed to admit to liking. His example was Frankie Valli & the Four Seasons. When I told him I like Sweet (you know, of "Ballroom Blitz" fame), he said, "Yeah, I'd be ashamed, too." Everyone laughs when I say I like ABBA, too. No Americans laugh when I say I like Boney M, though. They just say, "Boney who?". I'm curious what other shameful musical secrets lurk in the hearts and eardrums of AtBC readers? Abba appeals to my disco sensibilities, and the song writing was genius with respect to "the hook". December '63 is a great feel-good tune and has a wah-wah driven middle eight. Good enough for me. Ballroom blitz has a certain kitsch charm, but I can take or leave it. Bjork scares the shit out of me, much like the Moomins. She may even be one. That said, just listen to the start of Play dead. David Arnold has written a song that is the perfect vehicle for her scando-warbling. Bizarrely beautiful. Rah-rah-rasputin, Russia's greatest love machine! -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2007,23:11    I'll fess up. I'm an 80s fan. Depeche Mode, Tears for Fears, Annie Lennox, Dead or Alive, Madonna, Falco, Billy Idol, Lisa Lisa & Cult Jam, Wham!, Simple Minds, 'Til Tuesday, Frankie Goes to Hollywood, The Hooters, Howard Jones... You get the point, I suppose. I suspect it may be the attachments to particular immediately-post-fundy-holy-crap-i-got-laid-and-i-liked-it memories.  Well, that and the whole holy-crap-god-didn't-strike-me-dead thing, which was a plus. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2007,23:14    HAR HAR THIS IS YOU LOU. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2007,23:31    More my style at the time, I must admit. ETA: My little brother still rubs that in, but in all honesty I'd wear that if my wife didn't have enough sense to stop me. Edited by Lou FCD on Dec. 05 2007,00:33 -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2007,23:37    We should have a virtual Kitzmass fancy dress party. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Mister DNA Posts: 466 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2007,23:37    Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 04 2007,22:55) Ballroom blitz has a certain kitsch charm, but I can take or leave it. Almost all of Sweet's big hits were 100% kitsch, but they were good at what they do. What got me hooked on them was "The Man with the Golden Arm", their glam cover of Elmer Bernstein's score of the movie. Mick Tucker was a phenomenal drummer, and they picked a great song to showcase his talents. I don't understand why so many bands try to cover "Ballroom Blitz", though. -------------- CBEB's: The Church Burnin' Ebola Blog Thank you, Dr. Dembski. You are without peer when it comes to The Argument Regarding Design. - vesf

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2007,23:58    Quote (Mister DNA @ Dec. 04 2007,23:37) I don't understand why so many bands try to cover "Ballroom Blitz", though. Because it's easy to play? -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Mister DNA Posts: 466 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2007,00:14    Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 04 2007,23:58)   Quote (Mister DNA @ Dec. 04 2007,23:37) I don't understand why so many bands try to cover "Ballroom Blitz", though. Because it's easy to play? "Louie Louie" is a song that's easy to play and the worse a band plays it, it can still manage to capture the essence of the Kingsmen's version. The Kinks' "You Really Got Me" is also easy to play, if it's played badly, it really shows. I've heard covers of "Ballroom Blitz" ranging from metal to rockabilly, and they all sounded dull compared to the original. The only competent cover of it I've ever heard is Nina Hagen's version. -------------- CBEB's: The Church Burnin' Ebola Blog Thank you, Dr. Dembski. You are without peer when it comes to The Argument Regarding Design. - vesf

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2007,00:26    Songs that are fun to cover, and a good reaction. My Sharona Hungry like the Wolf YMCA (surprisingly well structured) Stayin' Alive Alright (Jamiroquai) Ruby -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Mister DNA Posts: 466 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2007,00:47    Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 05 2007,00:26) Songs that are fun to cover, and a good reaction. My Sharona Hungry like the Wolf YMCA (surprisingly well structured) Stayin' Alive Alright (Jamiroquai) Ruby I absolutely hate listening to "My Sharona", but I like playing it - I guess it's because of the reaction it gets. I like the Knack's "Good Girls Don't", though. "Midnight Hour" is fun to play, too, but it can be hell for a bass player. I played bass in a band and whenever we did "Midnight Hour", it would fill the dance floor, so they'd stretch it out into some ten-minute monstrosity. The next song would have to be a ballad... Another fun one is Bo Diddley's "You Can't Judge a Book By its Cover" - lots of stops and starts to play around with... I've never been in a band that played 80s music, but if I was, I'd want to do Wall of Voodoo's "Mexican Radio". It's a fun song, and not hard to play at all. -------------- CBEB's: The Church Burnin' Ebola Blog Thank you, Dr. Dembski. You are without peer when it comes to The Argument Regarding Design. - vesf

improvius Posts: 807 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2007,09:04    Quote (Mister DNA @ Dec. 04 2007,23:14) Stevestory's mention of "Bjork's a dork" got me thinking... my brother has a theory (and it's only a theory) that everyone likes at least one band/artist that they're ashamed to admit to liking. His example was Frankie Valli & the Four Seasons. When I told him I like Sweet (you know, of "Ballroom Blitz" fame), he said, "Yeah, I'd be ashamed, too." Everyone laughs when I say I like ABBA, too. No Americans laugh when I say I like Boney M, though. They just say, "Boney who?". I'm curious what other shameful musical secrets lurk in the hearts and eardrums of AtBC readers? My 2 guiltiest pleasures: Madonna: Ray of Light and Nelly Furtado: Whoa, Nelly! And no, I'm not gay. Typically I'm listening to 80's alternative or more modern drum/bass type electronic stuff.  Mainly I like smooth stuff, with a preference leaning to female vocalists: Kosheen Imogen Heap Olive Bittersweet Massive Attack A Guy Called Gerald Hooverphonic Currently playing in my car is a mix of songs from Katamri Damacy. -------------- Quote (afdave @ Oct. 02 2006,18:37) Many Jews were in comfortable oblivion about Hitler ... until it was too late. Many scientists will persist in comfortable oblivion about their Creator ... until it is too late.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2007,09:09    Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 05 2007,00:26) YMCA (surprisingly well structured) Hmmm. Naaaaaah. Too easy. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2007,09:26    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Dec. 05 2007,09:09) Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 05 2007,00:26) YMCA (surprisingly well structured) Hmmm. Naaaaaah. Too easy. You have higher standards than I do. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2007,09:26    My main completely indefensible guilty musical pleasure: Yes, the Guess Who. Those pasty, not-very-attractive Canadian guys. Randy Bachman who couldn't decide whether he was Jim Morrison or Mel Torme. Nothing conjures up early 70's AM radio in a boring California suburb better. I chose this album (a) because it shows what a bunch of pasty, beer-fed midwesterners they were, and (b) it was photographed under Pacific Ocean Pier,, a now-defunct and completely erased massive recreational pier in Santa Monica, CA. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

nuytsia Posts: 131 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 06 2007,05:32    Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 04 2007,15:11) I'll fess up. I'm an 80s fan. Depeche Mode, Tears for Fears, Annie Lennox, Dead or Alive, Madonna, Falco, Billy Idol, Lisa Lisa & Cult Jam, Wham!, Simple Minds, 'Til Tuesday, Frankie Goes to Hollywood, The Hooters, Howard Jones... Ouch! Since when is liking Depeche Mode embarrassing? The only disk in my collection I'm even slightly embarrassed about is the Communards. I did own an Oasis CD but I gave it away... 10 years later though i still feel dirty. I went through my music buying peak late 80's to mid 90's starting from gothdom, sauntering through shoegazing indie and then slowly broadened my tastes after being lent a Tom Waits tape! My CD consumption has really slumped in the last few years and I have a suspicion that I might be getting old as most new bands I hear sound bloody awful and/or all the same. Still don't let me stop you youngsters enjoying yourselves

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 06 2007,05:55    Quote (nuytsia @ Dec. 06 2007,06:32) Ouch! :angry: Since when is liking Depeche Mode embarrassing? I asked this very question of my daughter, to which she replied, "since about the end of the eighties, Dad."* Ouch. Fortunately, my Milli Vanilli CD went missing years ago.  I don't even want to know what she'd say about that. *Truth be told however, my love for all things 80s has rubbed off on her quite a bit, and she listens to a substantial amount of music I listened to post-BJU.** **She does not however share my enthusiasm for women with big 80s hair clipped short on the side a la Lisa Lisa. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 06 2007,09:19    Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 06 2007,05:55) Quote (nuytsia @ Dec. 06 2007,06:32) Ouch! Since when is liking Depeche Mode embarrassing? I asked this very question of my daughter, to which she replied, "since about the end of the eighties, Dad."* You should listen to her more closely, Lou.   -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 06 2007,09:32    Ain't NOTHIN to be ashamed of here. -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

IanBrown_101 Posts: 927 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 06 2007,09:36    Quote (nuytsia @ Dec. 06 2007,11:32) Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 04 2007,15:11) I'll fess up. I'm an 80s fan. Depeche Mode, Tears for Fears, Annie Lennox, Dead or Alive, Madonna, Falco, Billy Idol, Lisa Lisa & Cult Jam, Wham!, Simple Minds, 'Til Tuesday, Frankie Goes to Hollywood, The Hooters, Howard Jones... Ouch! :angry: Since when is liking Depeche Mode embarrassing? The only disk in my collection I'm even slightly embarrassed about is the Communards. I did own an Oasis CD but I gave it away... 10 years later though i still feel dirty. I went through my music buying peak late 80's to mid 90's starting from gothdom, sauntering through shoegazing indie and then slowly broadened my tastes after being lent a Tom Waits tape! My CD consumption has really slumped in the last few years and I have a suspicion that I might be getting old as most new bands I hear sound bloody awful and/or all the same. Still don't let me stop you youngsters enjoying yourselves :p Oh boy, I think an argument might be a' brewin'. What, exactly is wrong with Oasis? Come on, spill the beans. Oh, but I do like Depeche Mode. I'm also a big 80's man. Oh, and my guilty pleasures? I have a few, actually. Depending upon who I talk to: Elton John Pet Shop Boys (no, I'm not gay either) Lionel Ritchie/The Commodores Jan Hammer (apparently now) Oasis. David Hasslehoff (more for comedy value than anything else, although he's not THAT bad a singer) The Moody Blues (been to see them live once, was good) Fleetwood Mac (almost entirely the later stuff( The Mavericks -------------- I'm not the fastest or the baddest or the fatest. You NEVER seem to address the fact that the grand majority of people supporting Darwinism in these on line forums and blogs are atheists. That doesn't seem to bother you guys in the least. - FtK Roddenberry is my God.

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 06 2007,09:46    Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Dec. 06 2007,10:32) Ain't NOTHIN to be ashamed of here. Quote Sorry, this GeoCities site is currently unavailable. The GeoCities web site you were trying to view has temporarily exceeded its data transfer limit. Please try again later. Well, that's a bit embarrassing, doncha think? -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 06 2007,10:10    Well, I think that if you're going to listen to music that hasn't been fashionable for ages, don't do it in a halfassed way: PS: Listening to the Pet Shop Boys makes you gay, even if you weren't before. Not that there's anything wrong with that. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 06 2007,10:32    Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Dec. 06 2007,09:32) Ain't NOTHIN to be ashamed of here. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 06 2007,11:11    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Dec. 06 2007,08:10) Well, I think that if you're going to listen to music that hasn't been fashionable for ages, don't do it in a halfassed way: PS: Listening to the Pet Shop Boys makes you gay, even if you weren't before. Not that there's anything wrong with that. But that's not exactly what we're talking about here, is it.  Anyone who's embarrassed about liking the Hot Five/Seven should seek psychiatric help, pronto. When I'm in charge, anyone who doesn't have this is going to be denied tenure. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 06 2007,11:57    Apparently, Timmi Toler hit the 80s vinyl jackpot. (Scroll down through the pics to see what gems she found.) -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

IanBrown_101 Posts: 927 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 06 2007,23:42    Since it's almost that time of year, I reckon we should all talk about our favourite Christmas songs (oh yes FtK, I may be an atheist librul, but I can't help liking this time of year. Fortunately, the holiday has been taken over, like most holidays, by crass commercialism, and while I'm anti-capitalist as well, I can't suppress all my greed). My two favourite Christmas classics are: Jona Lewie. Stop the Cavalry (not exactly an X-mas song, but it's pretty much one now) Fairytale of New York, The Pouges ft. Kirsty MacColl. -------------- I'm not the fastest or the baddest or the fatest. You NEVER seem to address the fact that the grand majority of people supporting Darwinism in these on line forums and blogs are atheists. That doesn't seem to bother you guys in the least. - FtK Roddenberry is my God.

Mister DNA Posts: 466 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2007,00:58    Quote (IanBrown_101 @ Dec. 06 2007,23:42) Since it's almost that time of year, I reckon we should all talk about our favourite Christmas songs (oh yes FtK, I may be an atheist librul, but I can't help liking this time of year. Fortunately, the holiday has been taken over, like most holidays, by crass commercialism, and while I'm anti-capitalist as well, I can't suppress all my greed). My two favourite Christmas classics are: Jona Lewie. Stop the Cavalry (not exactly an X-mas song, but it's pretty much one now) Fairytale of New York, The Pouges ft. Kirsty MacColl. My absolute favorite Christmas music is The Phil Spector Christmas Album, but it just isn't Christmas until I've heard Bing Crosby sing Mele Kalikimaka. Here's some other favorites: The Kinks - Father Christmas Run DMC - Christmas in Hollis Chuck Berry - Run Rudolph Run Ramones - Merry Christmas (I Don't Want to Fight) Monty Python - Christmas in Heaven Slade - Merry Christmas Everybody Even kiddie diddlers can make a good Christmas song - Another Rock & Roll Christmas And of course, no Christmas is complete without this timeless Holiday classic from Fear Edited to add: I heart Kirsty MacColl - her version of Days is wonderful. -------------- CBEB's: The Church Burnin' Ebola Blog Thank you, Dr. Dembski. You are without peer when it comes to The Argument Regarding Design. - vesf

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2007,03:57    Quote (IanBrown_101 @ Dec. 06 2007,23:42) Since it's almost that time of year, I reckon we should all talk about our favourite Christmas songs The best Christmas song evah is I Want a Hippopotamus for Christmas!!!1!!!111!! On Christmas Day, though, we generally play Johnny Mathis and Bing Crosby.  And starting last year, Chris Isaak. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

nuytsia Posts: 131 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2007,04:35    Quote (IanBrown_101 @ Dec. 06 2007,01:36) Oh boy, I think an argument might be a' brewin'. What, exactly is wrong with Oasis? Come on, spill the beans. ooopps  .... okay fair question.... for me it's not one single thing. It's 1) They can't sing. 2) Their lyrics are truly awful. 3) It's all too samey. 4) Their sound isn't particularly original. No one or two of these attributes is necessarily  bad, - I like 1) Morrissey 2) Pop Will Eat Itself 3) Cocteau Twins 4) Loop - but Oasis fall at all four hurdles? Still do bear in mind I'm just an ex-shoegazing goth!         Quote Oh, and my guilty pleasures? I have a few, actually. Depending upon who I talk to: Elton John Pet Shop Boys (no, I'm not gay either) Lionel Ritchie/The Commodores Jan Hammer (apparently now) Oasis. Someone was bound to point out that Oasis are piss poor sooner or later. Just truly sorry it had to be me.   Pet Shop Boys are an interesting case. I never liked them till they covered "You were always on my mind", a song that I also dislike intensely. For some reason the track just clicked and my attitude softened. Strange. Edited to add - (cos it's teh nu sex) As others feel the necessity to out that there straight - I'll just say I'm not gay either, but according to my ex I make a good proxy lesbian. What a sweety!

guthrie Posts: 696 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2007,06:01    Quote (nuytsia @ Dec. 07 2007,04:35) an ex-shoegazing goth!  ;)     Whats one of them then? As for Oasis, they were derivative yes, but were part of whatever you call thatpop movement in the 90's when I was at uni and not listening to it except when my flatmates played it loud.  I have heard people say that Blur etc were doing far more interesting unusual things, and I suppose that is correct, yet at the same time good music isn't all about doing new stuff.  So my general poinion is Oasis were ok for a couple of albums, but were never great, i.e. groundbreaking and important. I reccomend "Within temptation" if you like kind og gothic rock stuff that sounds good.

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2007,06:10    Quote (guthrie @ Dec. 07 2007,07:01) Whats one of them then? Click. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

nuytsia Posts: 131 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2007,07:04    Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 06 2007,22:10)     Quote (guthrie @ Dec. 07 2007,07:01) Whats one of them then? Click. Lol! Can I just say in my defense that I was, even at that tender age, far to cynical to behave like that! I was, as I recall, a gippy (gothic hippy) So you start here then move to here, give yourself a slap and move on to this. Good god I've never seen the video to that Chapterhouse track. Aren't they such sweet boys. You just want to take them home and eat them all up...

Assassinator Posts: 479 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2007,11:58    A gippy? Now how the f*** do black, skulls, 18th century style clothing (for the girls at least) combine with happiness, bright green, yellow, blue etc etc and flowers correspond to each other?? Besides, that Southpark kid isn't a goth, he's an emo. Anyway, I "spin" so much different stuff it's almost schizofrenic. I like this, I'm the only one I know in real life who actually listens this and this wich is pretty normal for my age but this ain't and also this ain't considerd normal for my age too. And well, that's only a start ;) In total it would be, well the main genres: taiko, hardstyle, classical, trance/dance, jazz, metal and hardrock, disco (yea that 70's stuff) and much much more. Now don't tell me this ain't original for 17 year old! Only possible because of the internetzzz ofcourse, huzzah for Limewire.

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2007,18:59    We put up the tree this evening, while listening to Chipmunks Roasting on an Open Fire, by Bob Rivers. Good stuff. I'm rather partial to Who Put the Stump?, a parody of Barry Mann's 1961 Who put the Bomp?   Quote (The Angel atop the Tree @ Christmas Day, 2000) I'd like to find the guy Who done me wrong And stuck my butt up On this Christmas tree. Who put the stump In my rump-ba-bump-ba-bump? Who took and jammed it In my ram-a-lam-a-ding dong? Who stood the wood Where I poop-she-poop-she-poop? Who put the stick Up my hipty-dipty-dip? Who was that man? He shoved it up my can And left me stranded on this Christmas tree. (Yeah ...) When this angel heard Chop-ba-ba-bop, di-chop-ba-ba-bop, A dreadful fear went right into my heart. Those pine tree needles sting me, Ram-a-jam-a-ram-a-jammin' near my ding dong. You'll never know how much that smarts. (Hooah ...) So who put the stump In my rump-ba-bump-ba-bump? Who took and jammed it In my ram-a-lam-a-ding dong? Who stood the wood Where I poop-she-poop-she-poop? Who put the stick Up my hipty-dipty-dip? Who took that bush And crammed it in my tush? He made this angel beg for mercy, please. (Yow ...) Each night when I'm alone, Scratchity scratchity scratchity scratchity Scratchity scratchity shoop ... It sets my tiny bottom all aglow. And every time I wiggle, Slipty-din-de-din, slipty-din-de-din, A little further in it goes. (Ohhh/Yeah ...) (Rump-ba-bump-ba-bump Ram-a-lam-a ding dong Slipty-din-de-din Poopity poopity shoop ...) -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2007,20:23    Do we have any ATBC folks out there that live in Vancouver? I am sitting here drinking beer and listening to Americana / alt-country music on Boot Liquor on SomaFM Internet radio and pondering the fact that Vancouver seems to have a pretty good music scene.  When I normally think of alt-country, I think of Texas and artists like Steve Earle, Townes Van Zandt, and Robert Earl Keen.  But, I am finding myself coming across alot of good music coming out of Vancouver.  The Vancouver artists on my radar screen right now are Neko Case, The Be Good Tanyas, and El Dorado. Any other good alt-country groups out there in BC? -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2007,21:22    Greatest xmas song evah: 'Hey Santa Claus' by the Moonglows. Best xmas movie evah: 'Bad Santa':   Quote Willie: [the kid on his lap stares blankly at him] Well, what do you want? Great. Another fucking Mongoloid. Marcus, get this kid off me before he pisses on me, all right? What the fuck are you doing, Don't fuck with my beard. Kid: Its not real. Willie: No shit. Willie: Ya see, it was real, but then Santa got sick and all the hair fell out, so I have to wear this fucking thing. Kid: How did you get sick? Willie: I loved a woman who wasn't clean. Kid: Mrs. Santa? Kid: No, it was her sister. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2007,23:05    I have a soft spot for this one: -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2007,23:07    Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 07 2007,23:05) I have a soft spot for this one: And so you should, as Jimmy Stewart is the best actor ever.   That said, I still am going to pop Bad(der) Santa into the DVD right now. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 14 2007,18:33    I can't stop listening to Bjork's Earth Intruders. There's something transcendental about this song. It's Great with a capital G. I don't know why. But I'm in the presence of something beyond my understanding.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 14 2007,18:36    Quote (carlsonjok @ Dec. 07 2007,21:23) Do we have any ATBC folks out there that live in Vancouver? I am sitting here drinking beer and listening to Americana / alt-country music on Boot Liquor on SomaFM Internet radio and pondering the fact that Vancouver seems to have a pretty good music scene.  When I normally think of alt-country, I think of Texas and artists like Steve Earle, Townes Van Zandt, and Robert Earl Keen.  But, I am finding myself coming across alot of good music coming out of Vancouver.  The Vancouver artists on my radar screen right now are Neko Case, The Be Good Tanyas, and El Dorado. Any other good alt-country groups out there in BC? Dude, Neko Case is seriously good stuff. PM me and I'll email you some songs.

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2007,06:45    Quote (Dan Fogelberg @ The Innocent Age, 1981) The leader of the band is tired And his eyes are growing old But his blood runs through My instrument And his song is in my soul -- My life has been a poor attempt To imitate the man Im just a living legacy To the leader of the band I am the living legacy To the leader of the band. Sadly, the Dan Folgelberg's instrument is now forever silent. Quote NEW YORK (AP) -- Dan Fogelberg, the singer and songwriter whose hits "Leader of the Band" and "Same Old Lang Syne" helped define the soft-rock era, died Sunday at his home in Maine after battling prostate cancer. He was 56. His death was announced Sunday on the singer's Web site. "Dan left us this morning at 6 a.m. He fought a brave battle with cancer and died peacefully at home in Maine with his wife, Jean, at his side," it read. "His strength, dignity and grace in the face of the daunting challenges of this disease were an inspiration to all who knew him." Fogelberg discovered he had advanced prostate cancer in 2004. In a statement then, he thanked fans for their support: "It is truly overwhelming and humbling to realize how many lives my music has touched so deeply all these years. ... I thank you from the very depths of my heart." Fogelberg's music was powerful in its simplicity. He didn't rely on the volume of his voice to convey his emotions; instead, they came through in the soft, tender delivery and his poignant lyrics. Songs like "Same Old Lang Syne" -- in which a man reminisces after meeting an old girlfriend by chance during the holidays -- became classics not only because of his performance, but also for the engaging storyline. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2007,10:01    Here's an oldie but a goodie: Funky Cold Madonna -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine