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Posted: Aug. 11 2006,06:28

Whatever, you pathetic hypocritical jackass.

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Posted: Aug. 11 2006,06:28

<quote>Showing off how smart I think I am? Attacking people? Good grief.</quote>

Get up to speed.

I had the unfortunate luck to have to read your many other angry posts on the other threads. My comment about "attacking people" is a passing comment on your general behaviour on this blogthing.

<quote><quote>Why are P’s G and AnonCow sniping at each other? Are we still in grade school?</quote>Someone seems to be.</quote>

(Yes I'm aware I cut out the rest, but I'm not quoting all of that)

See? Can't make your point without going after someone (ad hominemly) like a lawyer to an ambulance.

For once, try not to get angry. You'll feel so much better.

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Posted: Aug. 11 2006,06:28

Whatever, you pathetic hypocritical jackass.

Anonymous_Coward

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Posted: Aug. 11 2006,06:28

<quote>Whatever, you pathetic hypocritical jackass.</quote>

Dear GOD!

If you have nothing than insults to post, bloody #### stop posting.

Take the moral high ground to make ME look bad, genius.

You repeatedly call everyone who you disagree with a troll, and yet even the trolls pretend to post something important other than insults.

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Posted: Aug. 11 2006,06:29

Whatever, you pathetic hypocritical jackass.

Popper's ghost

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Posted: Aug. 11 2006,06:29

<quote>“Well, he started it!”
Come on, somebody take the high road and act like a grown-up, here.</quote>

Nothing like stirring the pot, eh, fnxtr? The exchange was over, so do try to act like a grownup yourself.

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Posted: Aug. 11 2006,06:30

BTW, he did start it, and facts actually matter to grownups. Every single one of A_C's posts was primarily for the purpose of insulting me.

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Posted: Aug. 11 2006,06:30

<quote author="Popper's ghost">Every single one of A_C’s posts was primarily for the purpose of insulting me.</quote>

Really?

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Posted by Anonymous_Coward on August 10, 2006 07:22 AM (e)

Kids growing up watching this video are going to find it harder later in life to swallow Darwinian evolution:

Dembski actually said something I agree with. Although, I see that as a WARNING rather than promotional.

If we teach kids with propaganda materials, instead of teaching them REAL critical thinking (not like that rIDiculous “they said ‘design’ in their paper” farce), of course they’re going to find Darwinian evolution hard to swallow.

When has a redneck fundie taught in the ways of the Fundi believed anything apart from literal Biblical truth?</quote>

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Posted by Anonymous_Coward on August 10, 2006 07:35 AM (e)

I think this David Williams is that troll again where he took on various identities and “theorums”.

Just happened on to this web sight.

And it’s not a coincidence. It was made this way. Some unnamed force named “God” directed you to this site to convert us heathens.

is found guilty of teaching evolution and now creation science or I.D. is totally made fun of.

Think of it as “Intelligent Karma”.

I am not even an amateur student of science or apologetics but I have enough since to know that we did not come from monkeys.

Why do people think that they strengthen their case by admitting that they don’t know the first thing about science OR apologetics?

Why is there not life on other planets?

There is. But they’re intelligent enough to know not to come here.

Plus, they view us as “Mostly Harmless” so we’re not a threat to them.

How is it that we are perfectly distanced from the Sun so as not to burn up or freeze.

Actually, the Earth orbits the sun in an OVAL. That means the distance from the sun varies by large distances (small astronomically, but large compared to us).

Not to mention that the sun is slowly getting hotter due to the natural life process of stars. The “perfect distance” from the sun has been expanding and it merely happened to expand past our planet.

How is it that the earth is running down instead of getting better if evolution is true.

What is the Earth running down? I thought the Earth was spherical.

Evolution certainly is a religion - it takes more faith than to believe in I. D.

When you know nothing about evolution, that’s when belief in it is faith.

We’re not in the business in trying to make people believe. If you want to feel smart by putting down real scientists, try learning a thing or to.

When mankind rejects the love and authority of God, he sets himself up as god and therefore must come up with an alternative to how we got here.

Which explains why Darwin was trained to be a priest or something.

Didn’t Linnaeus also record some kind attempt to reason out a phylogenetic tree or something?

Why are Vedic Creationists also trying to come up with an alternative view?</quote>

Why, looking at all of my first two posts, it is SOOOO obvious that I STARTED IT.

Good on ya, Popper's ghost!

Anonymous_Coward

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Posted: Aug. 11 2006,06:30

Not to mention that my second post contained a lot of satirical comments that, for some reason, Popper's ghost just loves to see as someone he can call "idiot".

Try comprehending what people are intending to say, Popper's ghost. Don't be so hasty to prove how intelligent you are.

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Posted: Aug. 11 2006,06:31

<quote>Every single one of A_C’s posts was primarily for the purpose of insulting me.</quote>

And isn't it also funny how you expressed incredulity over my use of the word "attack", yet find no fault in your paranoid "oh they're all against me" defence...

Anonymous_Coward

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Posted: Aug. 11 2006,06:34

<quote>Nice try at evading the simple fact that you were mistaken about the significance of the fact that the Earth’s orbit is an oval, a fact that actually has nothing to do with Thomas’s bass-ackwards reasoning about the Earth being “distanced from the Sun so as not to burn up or freeze”.</quote>

You are quite slow.

Which part of:

<quote author="me">Such a tactic of discrediting the “just the right distance from the sun” was intended to make him realise he really should learn how to search for info.</quote>

Did you not understand? To further expand on this TACTIC, it's to present something that is a shock to their ignorant preconceived notions to make them scramble for higher ground (their natural reaction) in which they hopefully pick up some correct information along the way (the goal of the tactic).

No, I'll think I'll stick to fact that you really just want to show off your "intelligence" with an ####### attitude. Remember, anger is not the only discussion tactic, genius. The offer to talk is still available, angry dude.

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Posted: Aug. 11 2006,10:34

Well, I see Puppy is still winning friends and influencing people. (snicker) (giggle)

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Posted: Aug. 12 2006,10:51

Mr. Coward will have to duke it out with himself (which is really all that was happening here).

'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank

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Posted: Aug. 12 2006,10:51

Dude, you just don't know when to shut the #### up, do ya.

(sigh)

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Posted: Aug. 12 2006,10:52

Take it to AtBC, Lenny, the right place for all your comments.

'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank

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Posted: Aug. 12 2006,10:52

<quote>Take it to AtBC, Lenny, the right place for all your comments.</quote>

(swims up, sniffs bait, laughs and swims away)

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Posted: Aug. 12 2006,10:52

<quote>Comment #118914

Posted by 'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank on August 11, 2006 05:21 PM (e)

Dude, you just don’t know when to shut the #### up, do ya.

(sigh)</quote>

Laughs at the irony of "Rev Dr" Pot...

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Posted: Aug. 12 2006,10:53

<quote>Take it to AtBC, Lenny, the right place for all your comments.</quote>

They've made you a moderator? Hey, congratulations!

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Posted: Aug. 12 2006,13:07

Quote (Guest @ Aug. 11 2006,11:30)

BTW, he did start it, and facts actually matter to grownups. Every single one of A_C's posts was primarily for the purpose of insulting me.

(sniffles) (sobs) (sobs uncontrollably)

Boo hoo hoo hoo hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

(snicker) (giggle)

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Posted: Aug. 16 2006,08:04

<quote>Presumably the dog cells in question descended from free living cells in the distant past if you put any stock in common descent. So what they’ve done is not new, they’ve simply reverted to an ancient form.</quote>

That's just ridiculous.

Anton Mates

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Posted: Aug. 16 2006,08:04

<quote author="Spravid Dinger">Presumably the dog cells in question descended from free living cells in the distant past if you put any stock in common descent. So what they’ve done is not new, they’ve simply reverted to an ancient form.</quote>

But they're still genetically IDable as dog cells. So no, they haven't reverted to an ancient form.

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<quote>Presumably the dog cells in question descended from free living cells in the distant past if you put any stock in common descent. So what they’ve done is not new, they’ve simply reverted to an ancient form.</quote>Except the ancient form of free living cells these guys descended from where not immune system-evading dog parasites. These dog tumor cells didn't "revert" to anything, they adapted to a new, parasitic lifestyle, and forever diverged from the dog genetic lineage. If and when some of them will evolve to parasitize other organims and specialize accordingly (if they haven't already), a new complex evolutionary branch will take form. The more I think of it, the more amazing this is.

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Posted: Aug. 16 2006,08:04

<quote>They’re expressing an ancestral capability.</quote>If you mean "capability to live unicellularily", that may be true, but these guys express that "ancestral capability" along with many new others. Focusing on that one feature to argue this is just "reversion" is like saying that by losing body hair humans reverted to amphibians.

<quote>Andrea, the way you say it it sounds like [gasp] saltation. Don’t let Dohn Javison know you said that or you’ll never hear the end of it.</quote>Except that for all we know this was a gradual process from normal dog cell, to progressively more highly transformed tumor, gradually acquiring mutations that facilitated spreading (e.g. as a metastasis) and immune evasion, to transition to parasite, to progressively more efficient and well-adapted parasite.

Basically, this has nothing to do with Davison's nonsense.

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DaveScot is an idiot but David Heddle is not.

Says you. (shrug)

But hey, Mr O'Brien, since you seem determined to, ya know, share all of your religious wisdom with all of us, let me ask you a simple question before you begin your preaching . . .

What exactly is the source of your religious authority. What exactly makes your (or ANY person�s) religious opinions more (or less) authoritative than anyone else�s. Why should anyone pay any more attention to my religious opinions, or yours, than we pay to the religious opinions of my next door neighbor or my gardener or the guy who delivered my pizza last night. It seems to me that no one alive would or could know any more about God than anyone else alive does, since there doesn�t seem to be any potential source of such knowledge that isn�t equally available to everyone else. You pray; I pray. You read the Bible; I read the Bible. You go to church and listen to the pastor; I go to church and listen to the pastor. So what is it, exactly, that makes your religious opinion any more (or less) valid than anyone else�s. Are you more holy than anyone else? Do you walk more closely with God than anyone else? Does God love you best? Are you the best Biblical scholar in human history? What exactly makes your opinions better than anyone else�s? Other than your say-so?

Is it your opinion that not only is the Bible inerrant and infallible, but YOUR INTERPRETATIONS of it are also inerrant and infallible? Sorry, but I simply don�t believe that you are infallible. Would you mind explaining to me why I SHOULD think you are? Other than your say-so?

It seems to me that your religious opinions are just that, your opinions. They are no more holy or divine or infallible or authoritative than anyone else�s religious opinions. No one is obligated in any way, shape, or form to follow your religious opinions, to accept them, or even to pay any attention at all to them.

Can you show me anything to indicate otherwise? Other than your say-so?

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What exactly is the source of your religious authority. What exactly makes your (or ANY person�s) religious opinions more (or less) authoritative than anyone else�s. Why should anyone pay any more attention to my religious opinions,or yours, than we pay to the religious opinions of my next door neighbor or my gardener or the guy who delivered my pizza last night. It seems to me that no one alive would or could know any more about God than anyone else alive does, since there doesn�t seem to be any potential source of such knowledge that isn�t equally available to everyone else. You pray; I pray. You read the Bible; I read the Bible.

Do you and hypothetical pizza delivery dude read Plato, Plotinus, Boethius, Aquinas, and Rousseau, among others, when trying to iron out your theology? Cuz' I do. Do you and hypothetical pizza delivery dude try to incorporate your mathematical/statistical knowledge into your God-belief as I do? Have you and hypothetical pizza delivery dude studied Attic Greek, the language of Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle and the precursor of the Koine Greek of the New Testament as I have?

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You go to church and listen to the pastor; I go to church and listen to the pastor.

I do?

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So what is it,exactly+that makes your religious opinion any more (or less) valid than anyone else�s.

Uh, cuz' it is an educated, reflective one?

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Are you more holy than anyone else? Do you walk more closely with God than anyone else? Does God love you best? Are you the best Biblical scholar in human history?

No.

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Is it your opinion that not only is the Bible inerrant and infallible, but YOUR INTERPRETATIONS of it are also inerrant and infallible?

Neither.

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Sorry,but I simply don�t believe that you are infallible.

That makes two of us.

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No one is obligated in any way, shape, or form to follow your religious opinions, to accept them, or even to pay any attention at all to them.

Agreed.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2006,22:08
Ah, so there's nothing other than your say-so.

Got it.

No reason for any of us to pay any attention to your religious opinions then, is there.

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No reason for any of us to pay any attention to your religious opinions then, is there.

Feel free to ignore me; I ignore your inanity except to occasionally correct your errors.

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Do you and hypothetical pizza delivery dude try to incorporate your mathematical/statistical knowledge into your God-belief as I do?

hmm, who else tried that and failed miserably...

who could it be...

why, William Dembski comes to mind.

yeah, that's worked out real well for him. Amazing contribution to our general understanding... NOT.

care to regale us with similar twistings of logic and premise there, Robert?

Or do you feel you have done better than 'ol WD in your application of statistics and probability to theology?

do tell!

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 17 2006,01:03
LOL.

I was actually looking forward to another Sal look alike coming here and trying to wow us with ridiculously poor and inappropriate mathematical analogies.

Robert has all the fixins' to be a fantastic subject for study here at ATBC, if we could only draw him out of his shell....

oh, and Robert:

pizza delivery boy is no hypothetical, we even had to find a replacement when the original went on vacation.

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LOL.

I was actually looking forward to another Sal look alike coming here and trying to wow us with ridiculously poor and inappropriate mathematical analogies.

Robert has all the fixins' to be a fantastic subject for study here at ATBC, if we could only draw him out of his shell....

oh, and Robert:

pizza delivery boy is no hypothetical, we even had to find a replacement when the original went on vacation.

Sal C is a nice guy, but I ain't like him. I have distanced myself from Bill and DI over the last several months, which I don't think Sal would ever do. Also, he is YEC, which is off the deep end as far as I am concerned.

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Do you and hypothetical pizza delivery dude read Plato, Plotinus, Boethius, Aquinas, and Rousseau, among others, when trying to iron out your theology?

Look out, folks! This one actually knows how to read!

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Do you and hypothetical pizza delivery dude read Plato, Plotinus, Boethius, Aquinas, and Rousseau, among others, when trying to iron out your theology?

How exactly does this change the debate? Isn't it still about how you interpret your reading? OR, are we to assume that you think you're the only one who reads philosophy?

Can you bring something new to your next comment?

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Maquerading as Wobert's Pizza boy (Hy-pathetically)

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Do you and hypothetical pizza delivery dude read Plato, Plotinus, Boethius, Aquinas, and Rousseau, among others, when trying to iron out your theology?

Look out, folks! This one actually knows how to read!

Yeah ....well Foucault you to.

Marx my words ,I think you're all Frued's.

Voltaire's dick was bigger than Nietzsche's and I've got the photos to prove it.

so there.

Oh did I mention Einstein? Well I have now.

so there again

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Posted: Aug. 17 2006,13:36

Steve, did you get moderation priviledges and neglect to inform us?

shame on you, if so.

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Posted: Aug. 17 2006,21:32

Eh, it's not an accomplishment, it's more like a duty. I've enjoyed this site for 2� years, so I have a duty to sweep the floors on the rare occasion a litterbug comes by.

edit: but according to the text at the left, I've been here less than a year. Okay. It's PT I've been enjoying for 2+ years. Same difference.

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Posted: Aug. 17 2006,21:42

yeah, but you should warn us so we know you get to play "bad cop" now.

enjoy!

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Posted: Aug. 17 2006,22:06

I'll only interfere when someone's being disruptive. Which is pretty rare around here, AFAICT.

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Posted: Aug. 17 2006,22:30

well, I'll try to give you more exercise.

(evil grin)

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Posted: Aug. 19 2006,13:29

<blockquote>I wonder why Michael Ruse was not recruited for this event. Historically he is one of the most popular guests at ID events. Perhaps he got similar bad vibes about this one.</blockquote>
Hey, a whore gots self respect ya know. Or maybe to quote George Bernard Shaw, "We have established what you are, madam. We are now merely haggling over the price."

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