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noncarborundum



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2011,11:16   

Quote (Acipenser @ Sep. 23 2011,09:17)
Yesterday everytime I tried to read that thread it would load for a few seconds then kick over to the 'The Internets can't show you that page' screen....don't know if it's my machine or their software.

It's not your machine, since I've seen it too.  I wonder if it's IP-address related.  It happens to me in both Firefox and IE, but not if I use an IP anonymizer.

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"The . . . um . . . okay, I was genetically selected for blue eyes.  I know there are brown eyes, because I've observed them, but I can't do it.  Okay?  So . . . um . . . coz that's real genetic selection, not the nonsense Giberson and the others are talking about." - DO'L

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2011,13:06   

Quote (noncarborundum @ Sep. 23 2011,11:16)
Quote (Acipenser @ Sep. 23 2011,09:17)
Yesterday everytime I tried to read that thread it would load for a few seconds then kick over to the 'The Internets can't show you that page' screen....don't know if it's my machine or their software.

It's not your machine, since I've seen it too.  I wonder if it's IP-address related.  It happens to me in both Firefox and IE, but not if I use an IP anonymizer.

Works in Chrome.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2011,13:10   

Depends on what you mean by works in chrome.

The link, as massaged by this forum's software doesn't work, because there's a <br> inserted into the URL.

Depending on the length of the URL.

It's been a problem as long as I've posted here. It's why a couple of posters routinely use tinyurl.

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noncarborundum



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2011,20:44   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 23 2011,13:10)
Depends on what you mean by works in chrome.

The link, as massaged by this forum's software doesn't work, because there's a <br> inserted into the URL.

Depending on the length of the URL.

It's been a problem as long as I've posted here. It's why a couple of posters routinely use tinyurl.

I think the "works in Chrome" is in regards to the problem Acipenser and I were discussing, viz. "Yesterday everytime I tried to read that thread it would load for a few seconds then kick over to the 'The Internets can't show you that page' screen".

The links, they don't work for nobody unless you edit them.

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"The . . . um . . . okay, I was genetically selected for blue eyes.  I know there are brown eyes, because I've observed them, but I can't do it.  Okay?  So . . . um . . . coz that's real genetic selection, not the nonsense Giberson and the others are talking about." - DO'L

  
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2011,23:47   

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The links, they don't work for nobody unless you edit them.


I use Chrome. It allows me to see the problem link on the page that doesn't load, and fix it on the fly.

I wonder how many times it has to be repeated that the problem is here.

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paragwinn



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 24 2011,01:41   

From Gildo's latest he-once-was-lost testimonial:  
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But I’m a freethinker, a legitimate scientist.

Maybe he and Joe G can team up and design their own computer simulation of evolution. Gildo can engineer the software and Joe can beat the shit out of the hardware.

If Gildo is a legitimate scientist, then I'm an eminent historian as a result of living through over 4 decades of American and World history.

He's been putting out quite a few of these lately. What gives?

eta: misspelling correction

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 24 2011,02:26   

He once made a big deal that his threads got the most responses. Now he has been forsaken.

It probably hurts.

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 24 2011,05:26   

Quote (paragwinn @ Sep. 24 2011,02:41)
From Gildo's latest he-once-was-lost testimonial:        
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But I’m a freethinker, a legitimate scientist.

Maybe he and Joe G can team up and design their own computer simulation of evolution. Gildo can engineer the software and Joe can beat the shit out of the hardware.

If Gildo is a legitimate scientist, then I'm an eminent historian as a result of living through over 4 decades of American and World history.

He's been putting out quite a few of these lately. What gives?

eta: misspelling correction

His modesty is touching. He was like Dawkins, but...
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I could have put him to shame with the power and passion of my argumentation.

Whatever happened to that prowess?

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Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 24 2011,08:32   

Jonathan M has been infected with the Lewontin meme.  kairosfocus needs to learn to keep it in his pants.

Reading Jonathan M's posts actually saddens me.  Unlike some of the UD regulars, he doesn't come across as intellectually deficient.  He's young and could have a promising career, but he seems determined to follow a path that, at best, leads to becoming a bitter, irrelevant, failed academic teaching at a backwater bible school.  At worst he could end up on that park bench next to Joe G, muttering at pigeons.

It's bad enough that these bastards are trying to destroy science education.  The corruption of individual minds is simply repugnant.

  
noncarborundum



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 24 2011,10:58   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 23 2011,23:47)
     
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The links, they don't work for nobody unless you edit them.


I use Chrome. It allows me to see the problem link on the page that doesn't load, and fix it on the fly.

I wonder how many times it has to be repeated that the problem is here.

There are two separate issues here that you are confusing.

I fully understand that this forum mangles links.  When I follow one of these mangled links, I see UD's 404 page, which looks like this:



I also know how to fix this problem, by editing the URL at the top of the 404 page, or by pasting it into notepad and editing it there, or by following a shortened link helpfully posted by a fellow AtBC participant, such as the goo.gl link that Patrick posted yesterday.  When I try any of these things, the result depends on whether I'm in Firefox or IE on the one hand, or Chrome on the other.  In Firefox, I see the target UD thread perfectly well for a period of time of up to 60 seconds:



Then, for no apparent reason, the page is suddenly replaced by this:



(The same thing happens in IE, except that IE's "loss of connection" page looks a little different.)

It's this sudden loss of connection, not the URL mangling that we all know about, that Acipenser and I are encountering.  Zachriel is entirely correct that it doesn't happen in Chrome.  This problem is not here, it's at UD.  I suspect there's something in the HTML for that particular page that confuses IE and Firefox but that Chrome has no problem with.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 24 2011,14:08   

My guess as a minor league web programmer is that IE and FireFox "fix" the URL sufficiently to get to the main page, but fail when moving down to the specific post.

It could be the UD software doing this, but why would it be different on different browsers, unless it is the browser doing it?

Unless I misread you, it only happens when the URL is defective, so regardless of the symptom, the cause is a defective URL.

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 24 2011,14:30   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 24 2011,15:08)
My guess as a minor league web programmer is that IE and FireFox "fix" the URL sufficiently to get to the main page, but fail when moving down to the specific post.

It could be the UD software doing this, but why would it be different on different browsers, unless it is the browser doing it?

Unless I misread you, it only happens when the URL is defective, so regardless of the symptom, the cause is a defective URL.

More datapoints (vis OS X browsers). Once the URL is repaired:

Chrome cranks away for some time, displays the comment, cranks away longer, then stops with the page incompletely loaded (some comments omitted). No error page.

Safari also cranks away and displays an incomplete page, but not quite as much of it as Chrome.

Firefox also cranks away, displays the comment, then immediately gives the "connection reset" message.

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"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 24 2011,14:39   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 24 2011,14:08)
My guess as a minor league web programmer is that IE and FireFox "fix" the URL sufficiently to get to the main page, but fail when moving down to the specific post.

It could be the UD software doing this, but why would it be different on different browsers, unless it is the browser doing it?

Unless I misread you, it only happens when the URL is defective, so regardless of the symptom, the cause is a defective URL.

I've only seen it happen on that specific page, and it still happens even if I edit the URL to remove the comment tag from the end.  In fact, it even happens when I go to UD's front page and follow the link from there.  Really.  It's not AtBC's URL mangling that's at fault here.

I've followed dozens of badly formatted links from AtBC to UD.  I know how to repair these links so that they work.  I've never seen this particular symptom before.

I notice that when I try to load that page, regardless of browser, it spends quite a long line displaying the spinning in-progress indicator on the title tab and claims to be waiting to read something from googlesyndication.com.  The difference between browsers seems to come down to what happens when the wait times out.  Firefox and IE treat it as a "reset connection" error, while Chrome just to gives up trying, leaving the page displayed but not completely loaded (even Chrome doesn't display the entire page, as judged by what shows up when you "view page source").

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 24 2011,14:41   

Another datapoint, for Safari under Mac OS X: Clicking the link directly, I get the "can't find it" message. By going to the UD homepage, clicking on 'evolution' in their tag-cloud, and clicking on the link from that set of results, I get the actual page.

  
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 24 2011,15:31   

Quote (noncarborundum @ Sep. 24 2011,15:39)
I've followed dozens of badly formatted links from AtBC to UD.  I know how to repair these links so that they work.  I've never seen this particular symptom before.

I've followed hundreds of well-formatted links to pages at UD that loaded properly.

Using Chrome, I encounter mountains of slippery horseshit, most emitted by a small collection of perseverative gasbags. The bald, unrepentant fuckwittery is very clear.

Using Safari the picture is similar, with subtle differences. Both load the horseshit more quickly than I can cart it away, although Safari leavens the outgassing with a hint of nutty finish I find hard to resist.

FireFox discloses better balance than either Chrome or Safari and, at least on paper, probably yields the best fidelity. But Firefox never quite rises above the plodding cephalofecal stupidity of UD to capture the shimmering shit-for-brains mist that engulfs UD at its best.

So I keep looking.

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 24 2011,15:54   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Sep. 24 2011,15:31)
Quote (noncarborundum @ Sep. 24 2011,15:39)
I've followed dozens of badly formatted links from AtBC to UD.  I know how to repair these links so that they work.  I've never seen this particular symptom before.

I've followed hundreds of well-formatted links to pages at UD that loaded properly.

Using Chrome, I encounter mountains of slippery horseshit, most emitted by a small collection of perseverative gasbags. The bald, unrepentant fuckwittery is very clear.

Using Safari the picture is similar, with subtle differences. Both load the horseshit more quickly than I can cart it away, although Safari leavens the outgassing with a hint of nutty finish I find hard to resist.

FireFox discloses better balance than either Chrome or Safari and, at least on paper, probably yields the best fidelity. But Firefox never quite rises above the plodding cephalofecal stupidity of UD to capture the shimmering shit-for-brains mist that engulfs UD at its best.

So I keep looking.

You're trying to use a browser to fix the idiocy at UD?!?!?

That's kind of like taking twice as much cholesterol medicine to counter the bacon you eat for breakfast everyday.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 24 2011,16:02   

Quote (noncarborundum @ Sep. 24 2011,10:58)
Zachriel is entirely correct that it doesn't happen in Chrome.  This problem is not here, it's at UD.  I suspect there's something in the HTML for that particular page that confuses IE and Firefox but that Chrome has no problem with.

Interesting bug. We mentioned that it worked in Chrome because Elizabeth Liddle's responses are well worth the read.

tinyurl.com/3pftzmb

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Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 24 2011,18:08   

Quote (Zachriel @ Sep. 24 2011,17:02)
Quote (noncarborundum @ Sep. 24 2011,10:58)
Zachriel is entirely correct that it doesn't happen in Chrome.  This problem is not here, it's at UD.  I suspect there's something in the HTML for that particular page that confuses IE and Firefox but that Chrome has no problem with.

Interesting bug. We mentioned that it worked in Chrome because Elizabeth Liddle's responses are well worth the read.

tinyurl.com/3pftzmb

Absolutely.  While the geek in me appreciates the speculation as to the nature of the technical problems, I hope we can find some time to address important topics in physics as well, such as how hard Chris Doyle would have to sneeze to extract his head from his ass.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 24 2011,20:24   

Quote (paragwinn @ Sep. 24 2011,16:41)
From Gildo's latest he-once-was-lost testimonial:  
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But I’m a freethinker, a legitimate scientist.

Maybe he and Joe G can team up and design their own computer simulation of evolution. Gildo can engineer the software and Joe can beat the shit out of the hardware.

If Gildo is a legitimate scientist, then I'm an eminent historian as a result of living through over 4 decades of American and World history.

He's been putting out quite a few of these lately. What gives?

eta: misspelling correction

Has Gildo even done any pretend science? All he does is preach how he once was lost and now is found

  
paragwinn



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 24 2011,20:32   

Quote (Patrick @ Sep. 24 2011,16:08)
I hope we can find some time to address important topics in physics as well, such as how hard Chris Doyle would have to sneeze to extract his head from his ass.

That is, indeed, a dark matter to contemplate.

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noncarborundum



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 24 2011,21:19   

Quote (Zachriel @ Sep. 24 2011,16:02)

Interesting bug. We mentioned that it worked in Chrome because Elizabeth Liddle's responses are well worth the read.

tinyurl.com/3pftzmb

Absolutely.  I wouldn't have cared half so much about the bug if it hadn't been preventing me from reading her responses.

I honestly don't know how she does it.  I would long since have hurled my laptop, or possibly myself, through the nearest window.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 24 2011,22:50   

If we could create a Nobel Prize category for "dealing with fucktards" then Liddle would win hands down.

I mean, I would have been spastic long ago.  I can only guess that she is collecting data for a treatise on sociopathic behavior.

I give up.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2011,00:10   

I wonder how Kairosfocus can quote this from Wikipedia without getting red  
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To lie is to state something with disregard to the truth with the intention that people will accept the statement as truth . . . . even a true statement can be used to deceive. In this situation, it is the intent of being overall untruthful rather than the truthfulness of any individual statement that is considered the lie . . . . One can state part of the truth out of context, knowing that without complete information, it gives a false impression. Likewise, one can actually state accurate facts, yet deceive with them . . . . One lies by omission when omitting an important fact, deliberately leaving another person with a misconception. Lying by omission includes failures to correct pre-existing misconceptions. Also known as a continuing misrepresentation . . . . A misleading statement is one where there is no outright lie, but still retains the purpose of getting someone to believe in an untruth . . .


ET replace broken link by tinyURL

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2011,08:49   

Quote (sparc @ Sep. 25 2011,08:10)
I wonder how Kairosfocus can quote this from Wikipedia without getting red  
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To lie is to state something with disregard to the truth with the intention that people will accept the statement as truth . . . . even a true statement can be used to deceive. In this situation, it is the intent of being overall untruthful rather than the truthfulness of any individual statement that is considered the lie . . . . One can state part of the truth out of context, knowing that without complete information, it gives a false impression. Likewise, one can actually state accurate facts, yet deceive with them . . . . One lies by omission when omitting an important fact, deliberately leaving another person with a misconception. Lying by omission includes failures to correct pre-existing misconceptions. Also known as a continuing misrepresentation . . . . A misleading statement is one where there is no outright lie, but still retains the purpose of getting someone to believe in an untruth . . .


ET replace broken link by tinyURL

EASY, HOMO!

HE'S A RED FACED LIAR.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2011,20:54   

StephenB goes back to the Fifties:
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Where I live, state law (thanks to the government bureacracy called the Center for Disease Control) requires that the municipal water supply be flouridated. Interestingly, there is plenty of science indicating that flouride (at 1 part per million–the “recommended theraputic dose”) is exceedingly toxic, potential harmful on many levels, and serves no useful purpose.

In the 1950?s a few dentists claimed that it helps prevent tooth decay, Nevertheless, everyone in our city is forced to take this drug every day, and they have nothing to say about it.

John Birch would be proud.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2011,21:33   

Quote (CeilingCat @ Sep. 25 2011,20:54)
StephenB goes back to the Fifties:  
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Where I live, state law (thanks to the government bureacracy called the Center for Disease Control) requires that the municipal water supply be flouridated. Interestingly, there is plenty of science indicating that flouride (at 1 part per million–the “recommended theraputic dose”) is exceedingly toxic, potential harmful on many levels, and serves no useful purpose.

In the 1950?s a few dentists claimed that it helps prevent tooth decay, Nevertheless, everyone in our city is forced to take this drug every day, and they have nothing to say about it.

John Birch would be proud.

Robert Welch, Jr. would be proud, for sure. What John Birch would have thought is not so easily determined; Welch merely borrowed Birch's name, much as Dembski tried to borrow the Polyani name back in 1999.

ETA: Somewhere in the boxes of stuff around here, I've got a dinner program autographed by Welch. No, I didn't go to the dinner, but I did acquire the program with some other papers.

Edited by Wesley R. Elsberry on Sep. 25 2011,21:35

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2011,22:19   

NickMatzke_UD, to Gil:
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Looks to me like you’ve kept the same high-certainty, low-level-of-relevant-scholarship attitude, you just switched sides while doing so. Actually coming to grips with the scientific literature on some specific biological topic would be worth a thousand defiant testimonials.
(My bolding)
Gil responds with a, well, defiant testimonial:
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Nick,

I examined the evidence and logic, and determined that you and those of your persuasion are promoting a thesis that cannot be defended on scientific, rational, mathematical or evidential grounds, and have therefore resorted to intimidation and vilification as the only recourse in an attempt to defend an indefensible, dying philosophy, disguised and promoted as “science.”

The fact that I am a legitimate scientist who followed the evidence where it led, and a former militant, obnoxious atheist like you, is what really pisses you off.


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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2011,23:51   

   
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(GilDo:) The fact that I am a legitimate scientist who followed the evidence where it led, and a former militant, obnoxious atheist like you, is what really pisses you off.

Well, he's certainly right that obnoxiousness is involved.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 26 2011,01:55   

someone had better tell KF:
a few million monkeys randomly recreate shakespeare
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Today (2011-09-23) at 2:30 PST the monkeys successfully randomly recreated A Lover’s Complaint. This is the first time a work of Shakespeare has actually been randomly reproduced.  Furthermore, this is the largest work ever randomly reproduced. It is one small step for a monkey, one giant leap for virtual primates everywhere.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 26 2011,06:20   

Quote (BillB @ Sep. 26 2011,01:55)
someone had better tell KF:
a few million monkeys randomly recreate shakespeare
   
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Today (2011-09-23) at 2:30 PST the monkeys successfully randomly recreated A Lover’s Complaint. This is the first time a work of Shakespeare has actually been randomly reproduced.  Furthermore, this is the largest work ever randomly reproduced. It is one small step for a monkey, one giant leap for virtual primates everywhere.

That reminds me of one of Bob Newhart's classic routines from his early 60's comedy albums:

Suppose they actually tried to duplicate Shakespeare with monkeys - someone would have to inspect the output, looking for something valid.  

One inspector speaks to another: "Hey Bob, this looks like it might be something.  'To be or not to be.  That is the ...  gzortensplat'"

  
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