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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2009,00:24   

Anyone else under the impression that Dembski and CliveBaby are one and the same?

I've never seen them post in the same thread, and after comparing their writing styles I've come to the inference that CliveBaby is just Dembski, pounding away at his keyboard, giggling like a Catholic schoolgirl, trying to give his blog credibility by making it seem like more people than just the journalist nanny with sand in her vag and Gil the elementary school math teacher actually care about his nonsense.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2009,02:02   

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Anyone else under the impression that Dembski and CliveBaby are one and the same?

I've never seen them post in the same thread, and after comparing their writing styles I've come to the inference that CliveBaby is just Dembski, pounding away at his keyboard, giggling like a Catholic schoolgirl, trying to give his blog credibility by making it seem like more people than just the journalist nanny with sand in her vag and Gil the elementary school math teacher actually care about his nonsense.

Which would make the idea of 'Clive' opening the 'PZ Myers Does It Again' thread, only to have it serve as a continuation of comments from the Dr's closed comment 'Peer Reviewed Article' post even funnier.

However, I have my doubts. Dr Dembski has a flair for expressing bitterness that I haven't seen in Clive, baby's comments. I'll go try to find an example - oh, here we go in the current top post:
   
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Janna Levin, Columbia astrophysicist, gives us the cutting-edge science on the origin of the universe: there was nothing, really nothing, nothing at all … but the potential to exist. Was it Aristotle who said that nothing admits no predicates? So where did nothing get the potential to exist and then bring the universe into existence? Not to worry. Janna does give us this assurance: “We know that something happened.” Yes, this is science at its best. Let’s not bring God or design into this discussion — we wouldn’t want to be accused of “acting stupidly.” Oh, one more thing, she’s an assistant professor (go here). Want to bet that she doesn’t have problems getting tenure? Compare this to Guillermo Gonzalez at Iowa State.

My emphy.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2009,03:15   

My 2 [ASCII 9B]: Persona

ETA ˘, thanks Wikipedia...

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2009,03:47   

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Janna Levin is a Professor of Physics and Astronomy at Barnard College of Columbia University. Her scientific research concerns the Early Universe, Chaos, and Black Holes.

Her second book – a novel, “A Madman Dreams of Turing Machines” (Knopf, 2006)– won the PEN/Bingham Fellowship for Writers that "honors an exceptionally talented fiction writer whose debut work...represents distinguished literary achievement..." It was also a runner-up for the PEN/Hemingway award for "a distinguished book of first fiction". She is the author of the popular science book, “How the Universe Got Its Spots: diary of a finite time in a finite space”.

She holds a BA in Physics and Astronomy from Barnard College of Columbia University with a concentration in Philosophy, and a PhD from MIT in Physics. She has worked at the Center for Particle Astrophysics (CfPA) at the University of California, Berkeley before moving to the UK where she worked at Cambridge University in the Department of Applied Mathematics and Theoretical Physics. Just before returning to New York, she was the first scientist-in-residence at the Ruskin School of Fine Art and Drawing at Oxford with an award from the National Endowment for Science, Technology, and Arts http://www.jannalevin.com/bio.html  




Selected Publications
J.D. Barrow and J. Levin, Copernican Principle in a Compact Spacetime, gr-qc/0304038.

J.D. Barrow and J. Levin, A Test of a Test for Chaos, nlin.CD/0303070.

N.J. Cornish and J. Levin, Lyapunov Timescales and Black Hole Binaries, Classical and quantum Gravity 20 (2003) 1649.

N.J. Cornish and J. Levin, Gravitational Waves from Spinning Compact Binaries, gr-qc/0207016.

N.J. Cornish and J. Levin, Comment on `Ruling out chaos in compact binary systems’,Phys. Rev. Lett..  89 (2002) 179001.

J. Levin, Topology and the Cosmic Microwave Background, Phys. Rept.. 365 (2002) 251.

J. Levin, The Fate of Chaotic Binaries, Phys. Rev. D67 (2003) 044013.

J.D. Barrow and J. Levin, The Twin Paradox in Compact Spaces, Phys. Rev. A 63 (2001).

J. Levin, Gravity Waves, Chaos, and Spinning Compact Binaries, Phys. Rev. Lett.. 84 3515 (2000).

J. Levin, Rachel O’Reilly and E.J. Copeland, Gravity Waves from Relativistic Binaries, Phys. Rev. D 62 (2000) 024023.

J. Levin and J.D. Barrow, Fractals and Scars on the Compact Octagon, Class. Quantum Grav.. 17 L1 (2000).

J. Levin, Chaos May Make Black Holes Bright, Phys Rev. D 60  (1999) 64015.

E. Scannapieco, J. Levin, and J. Silk, Temperature Correlations in a Finite Universe, MNRAS 303 (1999) 797.

J. Levin, E. Scannapieco, G. de Gasperis, J. Silk and J.D. Barrow, How the Universe Got its Spots, Phys. Rev. D 58 (1998) 103516.

J. Levin, E. Scannapieco and J. Silk, Is the universe infinite or is it just really big?,  Phys.Rev.  D 58 (1998) 103516.

J. Levin, E. Scannapieco and J. Silk, The Topology of the Universe: the biggest manifold of  them all, Class. Quantum Grav. 15 (1998) 2689.

J. Levin, Curing Singularities: from the Big Bang to Black Holes, Phys. Rev. D 57 (1998) 7611.

J.D. Barrow and J. Levin, Chaos in the Einstein-Yang-Mills Equations, Phys. Rev. Lett. 80 (1998) 656.

J.D. Barrow and J. Levin, Geodesics in Open Universes, Phys. Lett. A 233 (1997) 169.

J. Levin, J.D. Barrow, E.F. Bunn, and J. Silk, Flat Spots: Topological Signatures of Open
Universes in COBE Sky Maps, Phys. Rev. Lett. 79 (1997) 974.

N.J. Cornish and J.J. Levin, The Mixmaster Universe:  A Chaotic Farey Tale, Phys. Rev.D 55 (1997) 7489.

N.J. Cornish and J.J. Levin, The Mixmaster Universe is Chaotic, Phys. Rev. Lett. 78 (1997) 998.

N.J. Cornish and J.J. Levin, Chaos, Fractals and Inflation, Phys. Rev. D 53 (1996) 3022.

J. Levin, Inflation from Extra Dimensions, Phys. Lett. B 343 (1995) 69.

J.J. Levin, Kinetic Inflation in Stringy and Other Cosmologies, Phys. Rev. D 53 (1996) 1536.

J.J. Levin, Gravity-Driven Acceleration of the Cosmic Expansion, Phys. Rev. D 51 (1995) 462.

J.J. Levin and K. Freese, Curvature and Flatness in a Brans-Dicke Universe, Nucl. Phys. B 421 (1994) 635.

J.J. Levin and K. Freese, A Possible Solution to the Horizon Problem, Phys. Rev. D 47 (1993) 4282.

J. Levin, K. Freese, and D.N. Spergel, COBE Limits on Explosive Structure Formation, Astrophys. J. 389 (1992) 464.

F.C. Adams, K. Freese, J.J. Levin and J.C. MacDowell, Spectral Distortions of the Microwave Background, Astrophys. J. 344 (1989) 24.
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Looking at her full publications list and other accomplishments...Real scientist, award-winning fiction novelist, popular science author, artist...yeah, it's easy to see why Wee Billy might be a little envious.

Don't worry, Billy, you still have that coup of a publication with Marks, plus your books shearing the flock of dodos. Your eminent position at Lower Texas Backwater U. Oh, and your fanbois at UD -- along with the morphodyke, as Dave Springer called Densey O'Leary.  

Her one book on Turing/Goedel will outlive anything you have ever done, Billy.

Sucks, huh?

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2009,04:10   

Quote (someotherguy @ Aug. 22 2009,16:59)

I don't recall Margaret Mead mocking the natives quite so much.  Her loss.   :D

The natives were mocking her, no?

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2009,06:38   

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Looking at her full publications list and other accomplishments...Real scientist, award-winning fiction novelist, popular science author, artist...yeah, it's easy to see why Wee Billy might be a little envious.


Where's her full publication list?

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2009,07:52   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Aug. 22 2009,19:26)
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Bet Gil doesn't talk about clay occurring "naturally" in his other ID venue, aka Sunday School.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2009,07:54   

Quote (KCdgw @ Aug. 23 2009,06:38)
 
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Looking at her full publications list and other accomplishments...Real scientist, award-winning fiction novelist, popular science author, artist...yeah, it's easy to see why Wee Billy might be a little envious.


Where's her full publication list?

She doesn't have a full CV or publications list up that I could find, so in her case, I looked for epublications at  arXiv.org and then an advanced search on publications from 2003-2009 on Google Scholar, which is quick and easy, here. I'll let you look through that last one and I didn't bother with a Web of Science cite search.

The ArXiv.org Epublications search for 2003 onward gives the following:

Energy Level Diagrams for Black Hole Orbits Janna Levin  arXiv:0907.5195 (July 2009)

Homoclinic Orbits around Spinning Black Holes II: The Phase Space Portrait Gabe Perez-Giz and Janna Levin arXiv:0811.3815 (November 2008)

Homoclinic Orbits around Spinning Black Holes I: Exact Solution for the Kerr Separatrix Janna Levin and Gabe Perez-Giz  (November 2008)

Dynamics of Black Hole Pairs II: Spherical Orbits and the Homoclinic Limit of Zoom-WhirlinessarXiv:0811.3798 (November 2008)

Dynamics of Black Hole Pairs I: Periodic Tables Janna Levin and Becky Grossman arXiv:0809.3838 (September 2008)

A Periodic Table for Black Hole Orbits Janna Levin and Gabe Perez-Giz arXiv:0802.0459 (February 2008)

Cosmological Moduli Dynamics Brian Greene, Simon Judes, Janna Levin, Scott Watson and Amanda Weltman. hep-th/0702220 (February 2007)

Chaos and Order in Models of Black Hole Pairs Janna Levin Journal-ref: Phys. Rev. D74 (2006) 124027.  gr-qc/0612003 (December 2006)

Missing Lorenz-boosted Circles-in-the-sky Janna Levin. astro-ph/0403036 (March 2004)

Lyapunov timescales and black hole binaries Neil J. Cornish and Janna Levin Comment: To be published in Classical and Quantum Gravity Journal-ref: Class. Quant. Grav. 20 (2003) 1649-1660 , gr-qc/0304056 (April 2003)
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I didn't include the Google Scholar cites because ...well, I'm lazy, but you can click on the link.

ETA:  collaborating with Barrow, Cornish and Greene must've been fun

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2009,08:14   

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Learned Hand: Your article contemptuously dismisses the authors’ hypotheses regarding abiogenesis.

Barb: I didn't read any scorn in Dr. Hunter’s blog.

Cornelius says

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Cornelius Hunter: What a pathetic and embarrassing example of evolution's influence on science.

That qualifies as scorn. Ignorant scorn.

Szostak helped develop mRNA Display technology. This was a major advance in synthetic evolution with libraries millions of times larger than other techniques. With mRNA Display, a researcher can select from quadrillions of random sequences. Not only has this been critical for abiogenetics, but also has enabled great strides in protein engineering with possible therapeutic benefits.

One result debunks the tornado in a junkyard argument. At least one in 10^12 random sequences have biological functionality. This result has been around for a number of years. The equivalent result for random RNA molecules has been available since 1993. Yet, ID Advocates still haven't grasped this basic result. Meanwhile, science continues to probe the properties of such molecules, and the conditions that led to the spontaneous origin of life.

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Cornelius Hunter: Beyond such basic issues, even if all their problems disappeared Szostak and Ricardo would only be at the point of having some RNA macromolecules inside a water-filled vesicle. In the laboratory such a system would do nothing.

Nothing? Nothing at all?

What a pathetic and embarrassing example of ID.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2009,09:08   

Quote (deadman_932 @ Aug. 23 2009,07:54)
Quote (KCdgw @ Aug. 23 2009,06:38)
   
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Looking at her full publications list and other accomplishments...Real scientist, award-winning fiction novelist, popular science author, artist...yeah, it's easy to see why Wee Billy might be a little envious.


Where's her full publication list?

She doesn't have a full CV or publications list up that I could find, so in her case, I looked for epublications at  arXiv.org and then an advanced search on publications from 2003-2009 on Google Scholar, which is quick and easy, here. I'll let you look through that last one and I didn't bother with a Web of Science cite search.

The ArXiv.org Epublications search for 2003 onward gives the following:

Energy Level Diagrams for Black Hole Orbits Janna Levin  arXiv:0907.5195 (July 2009)

Homoclinic Orbits around Spinning Black Holes II: The Phase Space Portrait Gabe Perez-Giz and Janna Levin arXiv:0811.3815 (November 2008)

Homoclinic Orbits around Spinning Black Holes I: Exact Solution for the Kerr Separatrix Janna Levin and Gabe Perez-Giz  (November 2008)

Dynamics of Black Hole Pairs II: Spherical Orbits and the Homoclinic Limit of Zoom-WhirlinessarXiv:0811.3798 (November 2008)

Dynamics of Black Hole Pairs I: Periodic Tables Janna Levin and Becky Grossman arXiv:0809.3838 (September 2008)

A Periodic Table for Black Hole Orbits Janna Levin and Gabe Perez-Giz arXiv:0802.0459 (February 2008)

Cosmological Moduli Dynamics Brian Greene, Simon Judes, Janna Levin, Scott Watson and Amanda Weltman. hep-th/0702220 (February 2007)

Chaos and Order in Models of Black Hole Pairs Janna Levin Journal-ref: Phys. Rev. D74 (2006) 124027.  gr-qc/0612003 (December 2006)

Missing Lorenz-boosted Circles-in-the-sky Janna Levin. astro-ph/0403036 (March 2004)

Lyapunov timescales and black hole binaries Neil J. Cornish and Janna Levin Comment: To be published in Classical and Quantum Gravity Journal-ref: Class. Quant. Grav. 20 (2003) 1649-1660 , gr-qc/0304056 (April 2003)
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I didn't include the Google Scholar cites because ...well, I'm lazy, but you can click on the link.

ETA:  collaborating with Barrow, Cornish and Greene must've been fun

Thanks. I was interested in her publication record since she was at Columbia (2004 on).

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2009,10:17   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Aug. 23 2009,12:10)
 
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I don't recall Margaret Mead mocking the natives quite so much.  Her loss.   :D

The natives were mocking her, no?

What, she was sold for a 100 pigs?

True story:
On my last trip to PNG I passed a local family walking along the side of the road. The man was walking ahead carrying only an umbrella to keep the sun off his head and his wife was carrying a heavy 'billum' or string sack full of sweet potatoes.
She was also supporting a full load of firewood on her head and had a baby on one of her arms.

I remarked that the men seem to have it easy.
The old hand I was travelling with told me he once saw the same scene elsewhere but the woman had a child on one breast and a piglet on the other.
The billum can carry 20-30kg of food and the support straps are placed on the forehead so ones neck muscles take the full weight of the sack which is slung midway down ones back.
The advantage is that it leaves both hands free for climbing the near verticle jungle tracks between villages or between home and their jungle gardens.

Imagine a western female taking her airport luggage, tying a rope around her suitcase and runing it around her forehead and climbing 1000 metres of stairs, nursing a piglet and her baby while her partner considers whatever the fuck and carries nothing.

I think Margaret Mead got stitched up by the people who would be missionaries and couldn't possibly imagine what goes on there and if they did go, proceeded to impose their own values.

Bring back cooking the bastards I say.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2009,10:33   

11 preprints since 2004 is a fairly thin publication record, particularly for a theorist (experimentalists usually need extra time to build a lab from scratch).  However, given that Janna had 2 children in the meantime, her tenure clock was likely stopped for 2 years so she has effectively been at Barnard for 3 years only.  If that is indeed the case and her publication rate picks up then she has a shot at tenure.  Otherwise, no amount of face time on Colbert Report will save her.

ETA.  I should caution that the number of publications is not a very reliable indicator.  What matters is the impact a person has on his or her field of work.  Ken Wilson had very few publications when he came up for tenure at Cornell in the late 1960s.  Fortunately, the Cornell faculty saw that Wilson's work on scaling and renormalization group was top-notch and he was tenured.  In 1982 Wilson received the Nobel Prize for that work.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2009,10:59   

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ETA.  I should caution that the number of publications is not a very reliable indicator.  What matters is the impact a person has on his or her field of work.


And also how much grant money she brings in, I would imagine.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2009,11:06   

After mangling the explanation, Jerry responds to Dave Wisker's cites to studies from 1996 and 2000.

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jerry: Seems like that would have been obvious years ago and we would be here much sooner.

Yes, years ago (in Earth-years).

Knight and Landweber, Rhyme or reason: RNA-arginine interactions and the genetic code, Chemistry & Biology 1998.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2009,11:12   

Quote (KCdgw @ Aug. 23 2009,10:59)
   
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ETA.  I should caution that the number of publications is not a very reliable indicator.  What matters is the impact a person has on his or her field of work.


And also how much grant money she brings in, I would imagine.

Of course.  

In that respect she is doing much better than Gonzalez did (even by Casey Luskin's measure).  She got $400,000 from the NSF alone:

AST-0908365, $365,800.
PHY-0758022, $40,000.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2009,12:00   

Dave Wisker, *ahem*
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The authors found the overall probability of this kind of association for the eight AA’s being due to chance was 5.4 X 10-11

We leap on Dembski for making the same error, so I don't see why I should leave you out of the fun.

That probability is the probability of getting a value of the statistic that extreme if the data were random.  Your mistake is known as the prosecutor's fallacy.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2009,12:18   

StephenB teaches syllogistic logic.

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StephenB: We cannot say, for example, IF A is true, then B MUST be true, unless we can also say that C through Z are impossible.

If all men are mortal, then this man (I think his name is Socrates) is mortal.

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StephenB: But postmodernist cosmologists and atheist Darwinists, who reject these rules, cannot, in any context, say If A is true, then B must be true, because they refuse to rule out C through Z. That is another way of saying that they cannot reason in the abstract.

This sort of confusion may be why IDers never seem to grasp the concept of the hypothesis. The idea of holding a claim tentatively in order to tease out its empirical implications eludes them.

As for C through Z, they always forget, "we don't know" or "something we haven't thought of yet", so A, B and C through Z becomes a false icosihexachotomy.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2009,14:11   

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Dave Wisker, *ahem*
 
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The authors found the overall probability of this kind of association for the eight AA’s being due to chance was 5.4 X 10-11

We leap on Dembski for making the same error, so I don't see why I should leave you out of the fun.

That probability is the probability of getting a value of the statistic that extreme if the data were random.  Your mistake is known as the prosecutor's fallacy.

:::scuffs feet:::  shucks

oops.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2009,14:32   

StephenB is a deep thinker.  
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You are equivocating again with that weasel worded “no one has suggested” routine. That always a dead giveaway for Darwinists when they are reluctant to answer a simple question. Yes or no. Can an automobile be a part of a crankshaft? If not, why not?


I'm sure you are also reluctant to answer a simple question.  Yes or no.  Did you stop beating your wife?  If not, why not?

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2009,14:36   

And this too from StephenB
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For Darwinists, there is no substantive difference between a tornado and a burglar or the ways that each might go about its business.

Must be something in the water.

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And this too from StephenB
 
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For Darwinists, there is no substantive difference between a tornado and a burglar or the ways that each might go about its business.

Must be something in the water.

The brown acid?

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2009,14:43   

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I don't recall Margaret Mead mocking the natives quite so much.  Her loss.   :D

The natives were mocking her, no?

A better analogy to our attitude to the UDers might be Rena Gazaway's anthropological treatise the Longest Mile.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2009,16:03   

Quote (Zachriel @ Aug. 23 2009,11:06)
After mangling the explanation, Jerry responds to Dave Wisker's cites to studies from 1996 and 2000.

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jerry: Seems like that would have been obvious years ago and we would be here much sooner.

Yes, years ago (in Earth-years).

Knight and Landweber, Rhyme or reason: RNA-arginine interactions and the genetic code, Chemistry & Biology 1998.

jerry:

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“Instead, the amino acid is attached via an ester bond to the 3? end of the stem. The anticodon sequence is further down the stem and is not involved.”

Then why should the amino acid bind at some other place on the tRNA just because the anti codon will bind to it. There should be a connection or am I missing something.


I'm beginning to regret trying to explain this to him.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2009,16:43   

Gil
 
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Natural selection is death. Let me repeat that for those who put their faith in the creative powers of natural selection: NATURAL SELECTION IS DEATH. Death does not produce anything new. Yet, in the minds of Darwinists, differential death can somehow mysteriously create life in all its complexity and information content.

differential death?
 
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This is not science. It is a cult-like, nature-worshipping religion that is running headlong into ever-increasing conflict with the evidence and logic of real science.

nature-worshipping religion?

He might have a point!

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2009,16:49   

BillB's comment is worth reading, KF watchers.

I think the knockout punch are the strings.

The two sets of strings, generation 1 to 2 in Dembski and Weasel are totally, reproducibly different and obviously so.

All Gordon Mullings has to do is explain why that is so, if they are at heart the same as he claims.....
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It is certainly true that you can replicate the results with a different algorithm, one that removes the use of a population of candidates and includes a letter locking mechanism, but Dawkins does NOT describe his algorithm as having these features, and to suggest that the simplest interpretation of his description is an algorithm that includes extra mechanisms, that he does NOT describe, and which are NOT required to produce the published results, is certainly taking liberties with the idea of a ’simplest explanation’.

Great stuff.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2009,20:05   

BAtty77 has really gone off the deep end on this one:
               
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bornagain77
08/22/2009
4:03 pm
... It is also interesting to note that we can only “destroy” a photon in these quantum teleportation experiments. No one has “created” a photon as of yet. I firmly believe man shall never do as such, since I hold only God is infinite, and perfect, in information/knowledge.


I am creating and destroying infrared photons as I sit here typing.  I must be God.
                 
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...traveling at the speed of light only gets us to the place where time, as we understand it, comes to complete stop for light, i.e. gets us to the eternal, “past and future folding into now”, framework/dimension of time. This “eternal” inference for light is warranted because light is not “frozen within time” yet it is shown that time does not pass for light.


Total, blathering hogwash.  Photons carry their own clock, i.e. their frequency, which keeps perfect time in spite of the fact that they are traveling at lightspeed.
                   
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Mass becomes infinite at the speed of light, thus mass will never go the speed of light. As well, distance in direction of travel will shrink to zero for mass at the speed of light (i.e. the mass would disappear from our sight if it could go the speed of light.).

-unless we look at any angle other than perpendicular. Besides, photons have finite mass: they have momentum, they are accelerated by gravity, they exert a force when deflected. They simply have no "rest mass", and they certainly don't "shrink to zero in the direction of travel", as evidenced by their wavepacket description.

BAtshit crazy77, if you are going to spout off about "quantum teleportation", learn some freakin' physics first, for cripes sakes.  You are embarrassing yourself.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2009,21:12   

Dembski, posts, with "Comments off":

Quote
Evolutionary Informatics as Intelligent Design and not as Theistic Evolution
William Dembski
The paper on evolutionary informatics by Robert Marks and me that was recently published in an IEEE journal (go here for the paper) continues to generate discussion on the Internet. One criticism is that it at best is consistent with theistic evolution but does not support ID. I think this is a mistake. I’ve said for over a decade now that ID is consistent with the most far-flung evolutionary change. The key contention of ID is that design in nature, and in biology in particular, is detectable. Evolutionary informatics, by looking at the information requirements of evolutionary processes, points to information sources beyond evolution and thus, indirectly, to a designer. Theistic evolution, by contrast, accepts the Darwinian view that Darwinian processes generate the information required for biological complexity internally, without any outside source of information. The results by Marks and me are showing that this cannot be the case. The paper just published is only the first installment. It essentially lays out our accounting procedure for measuring the information in evolutionary search. We have two forthcoming papers that flesh out our larger project (available at www.evoinfo.org/publications), showing that attempts to account for the information internally, without an external information source, all founder.

      Posted in Intelligent Design, theistic evolution | Comments Off

23 August 2009
Functional Interdependencies Tighten The Noose On Darwinists’ ‘Received Wisdom’
Robert Deyes
Synopsis Of The Fourth Chapter Of Nature’s IQ By Balazs Hornyanszky and Istvan Tasi
As an avid participant of the compass-based sport of orienteering in the 1980s, one of the roles I was frequently assigned to was that of ‘course designer’. Meeting the needs of the many orienteering enthusiasts who turned up on competition day was a formidable task that required the cooperative efforts of a large number of individuals. Errors in communicating course layout or map design could have been navigationally disastrous for all concerned. Of course few of us need reminding of nature’s own ‘grand schemes’ of cooperative synchrony epitomized in the colonies of over eleven thousand ant species that today grace our planet. Workers, soldiers, fertilizing males and queens ‘play their instruments’ in an orchestra that is in part directed by the activity of a family of molecules called pherormones.

Read more »

      Posted in Intelligent Design | 1 Comment »

23 August 2009
Biosemiotics and Intelligent Design
Mario A. Lopez
Semiotix – Stephen Pain

The distinction between “theorising” and “belief” is extremely important because our attitude differs towards them. In a theory the reified concept of the sign does not have an ontological status but an epistemological one. While in belief, the concept has often a clear ontological one. Uexküll believed in his concept of the Bauplan in the same way as Bergson believed in the vital force. The concept of a plan is of course no different from the creationist’s concept of “intelligent design”. Any usage of the Bauplan is further complicated by its ideological usage in The Biological State, Uexküll‘s template for the German State, one that was anti-democratic and in many instances attractive to the Nazi of the 1930’s. Here I might bring in a Viennese philosopher of biology, Felix Mainx, who contributed an entry to an encyclopaedia of science of which Charles Morris was one of the main editors. After the terrible experience of the Nazi period, Mainx spent a lot of time analysing in detail the wrongs of vitalist biology or “parabiology” as he called it. Certainly, Uexküll’s theory of the Bauplan falls into this category:

The same holds for the concepts “plan”, “constructed plan”, “functional pattern”, and the like. It is characteristic of many parabiological theories that they turn such concepts into things to which they attribute an action on the “substrate” of organic events. (Mainx, p.637)

Read More…

More info here, here,

here and here

      Posted in Biology, Chemistry, Evolution, Genomics, Human evolution, Informatics, Intelligent Design, Origin Of Life, Self-Org. Theory | No Comments »

23 August 2009
Robert Wright and the New Pragmatism
Cornelius Hunter
In recent years evolutionists have been trying to pin down the theological implications of evolution. If evolution is true–and of course evolutionists believe it is true–then what does this tell us about god? From blogs to books to conferences at the Vatican, the “fact” of evolution is being integrated with our theology. The latest example of this science-informs-religion movement is Robert Wright’s op-ed piece in today’s New York Times which resurrects Charles Peirce’s pragmatism. It is yet another example of evolution’s abuse of science.

Read more

      Posted in Intelligent Design | 8 Comments »

23 August 2009
And there you have it!
William Dembski
Janna Levin, Columbia astrophysicist, gives us the cutting-edge science on the origin of the universe: there was nothing, really nothing, nothing at all … but the potential to exist. Was it Aristotle who said that nothing admits no predicates? So where did nothing get the potential to exist and then bring the universe into existence? Not to worry. Janna does give us this assurance: “We know that something happened.” Yes, this is science at its best. Let’s not bring God or design into this discussion — we wouldn’t want to be accused of “acting stupidly.” Oh, one more thing, she’s an assistant professor (go here). Want to bet that she doesn’t have problems getting tenure? Compare this to Guillermo Gonzalez at Iowa State.


YouTube Source

      Posted in Eyes Rolling, Religion, Science | 44 Comments »

22 August 2009
Szostak on Abiogenesis: Just Add Water
Cornelius Hunter
This month’s Scientific American is another example of evolution’s influence on science. Read more

      Posted in Intelligent Design | 45 Comments »

21 August 2009
[Off-topic:] School Answering Machine
William Dembski
I’m told that the Maroochydore High School, Queensland, Australia, staff voted unanimously to record the following message on their school telephone answering machine, prompted by a school policy requiring students and parents to be responsible for their children’s absences and missing homework. Apparently, the school and teachers are being sued by parents who want their children’s failing grades changed to passing grades — even though those children had double-digit absences during the semester and didn’t do enough work to finish their classes.

LISTEN AND ENJOY!

      Posted in Humor | 26 Comments »

21 August 2009
If and when The New York Times finally tanks … what will it mean for intelligent design?
O'Leary
Here’s my MercatorNet column about the decline of traditional media (known to bloggers as “legacy mainstream media”). Anyone interested in the intelligent design controversy should think carefully about how the media are changing.

Hint: Imagine a world in which media went to someone other than the Darwin lobby to find out what might be wrong with Darwinism …

I don’t accept the thesis that the old media declined because they were partisan. Rather they became more ridiculously partisan as they were declining.

Single-minded partisanship is – in a free society – usually an outcome of consumer choice. People can get their news from lots of sources. So if they choose your source, you can develop the story as you like.

But – by contrast – how many air traffic controllers are permitted to bug pilots with their opinions about politics and religion? How many weather forecasters would last long if they likewise bugged farmers seeking data on the tornado watch?

So the tsunami of consumer choices in media fuels partisanship – but also opportunity. Read more »

      Posted in Intelligent Design | 4 Comments »

21 August 2009
More Chimp-Human Genome Problems
Cornelius Hunter
One of evidences for evolution that has been strongly touted in recent years is the fact that the genomes of the human and chimpanzee are so similar. About 98.4% of the instructions in our genome match the chimp’s. We must share a common ancestor, so goes the argument which doesn’t worry about how humans and chimps could be so different. With a 98.4% match, evolution must be true. That, of course, is not a scientific argument. But leaving that aside, when we look under the hood we actually find that comparisons of the human and chimp genomes contradict evolution.

Read more

      Posted in Intelligent Design | 28 Comments »

20 August 2009
Evidence for an early prokaryotic endosymbiosis
Mario A. Lopez
Hypothesis
Nature 460, 967-971 (20 August 2009) | doi:10.1038/nature08183

James A. Lake

Endosymbioses have dramatically altered eukaryotic life, but are thought to have negligibly affected prokaryotic evolution. Here, by analysing the flows of protein families, I present evidence that the double-membrane, Gram-negative prokaryotes were formed as the result of a symbiosis between an ancient actinobacterium and an ancient clostridium. The resulting taxon has been extraordinarily successful, and has profoundly altered the evolution of life by providing endosymbionts necessary for the emergence of eukaryotes and by generating Earth’s oxygen atmosphere. Their double-membrane architecture and the observed genome flows into them suggest a common evolutionary mechanism for their origin: an endosymbiosis between a clostridium and actinobacterium.

You’ll have to pay for this one, but I think it will make an interesting read.   Read more…

      Posted in Biology, Evolution, Science | No Comments »

20 August 2009
PZ Myers Does It Again
Clive Hayden
PZ Myers has, once again, railed against something that he doesn’t understand at his blog Pharyngula. Hi PZ! Notice that he doesn’t actually address the content of Dr. Dembski and Dr. Marks’ paper, which you can read here: Conservation of Information in Search: Measuring the Cost of Success, published at the IEEE. Given his argument, he doesn’t know how to measure the cost of success, yet claims that Dr. Dembski doesn’t understand selection. A bit of advice PZ, the argument presented by Dr. Dembski and Dr. Marks is very sophisticated PZ, your mud slinging isn’t PZ, you need to step it up PZ. I know this new stuff isn’t ez, but you may want to consider a response that has actual content PZ. Your argument against this peer-reviewed paper is still in its infancy, or, more accurately, still in the pharyngula stage, embryonic in its development.

Since evolution of the kind PZ subscribes to cannot be witnessed, the argument has moved into genetic algorithms with the advent of computational abilities to determine the affair, and the IEEE is an entirely appropriate place to publish on that subject. We’re not going anywhere, we’ll give him time to catch up and educate himself to the tenets of the paper’s actual content. And if/when he does, maybe he’ll write another blog, and possibly write one with active information, that is, actual information, or else his argument will never reach it’s target.

      Posted in Darwinism, Education, Evolution, Intelligent Design, Science | 124 Comments »

20 August 2009
Metaprogramming and DNA
niwrad
In informatics metaprogramming is a technique consisting in developing computer programs (sets of instructions) that output other programs. While simple programming means instructions generating data, metaprogramming means instructions generating instructions. In general the prefix “meta” means a thing/cause that stays at a higher semantic/ontological level than another thing/effect (in the case of metaprogramming we have a two-level hierarchy where a parent program creates child programs). For a tutorial introduction to metaprogramming see for example the following Jonathan Bartlett’s brilliant articles:
one, two and three.

DNA contains instructions, biological code for working-out various constructive cellular jobs (making proteins, setting developmental parameters, etc.). Question (inspired by the above ascertainment and readings): does DNA contain also meta-programs beyond simple programs?

Much DNA (outside its coding-for-proteins portions) seems without function (junk-DNA). Is it possible that some junk-DNA is meta-code able to assembly other DNA code? This could be an interesting ID prediction. Many have noted as the information amount contained in the genomes seems really too little to account for the overall complexity of organisms. Metaprogramming would be exactly one of the techniques able to compress the biological information. Read more »

      Posted in Genomics, Informatics, Intelligent Design | 52 Comments »

20 August 2009
Darwin’s finches by Harry Hill
Andrew Sibley
youtube video – Harry Hill puts a fresh spin on Darwinism

Sorry not embedded, but you will enjoy this UK TV comedian’s take off of Darwinism and his finches

      Posted in Intelligent Design | 3 Comments »

19 August 2009
New Peer-Reviewed Pro-ID Article in Mainstream Math/Eng Literature
William Dembski
William A. Dembski and Robert J. Marks II, “Conservation of Information in Search: Measuring the Cost of Success,” IEEE Transactions on Systems, Man and Cybernetics A, Systems & Humans, vol.39, #5, September 2009, pp.1051-1061.

*****For the official listing, go here.

*****For a pdf of the article, go here.

P.S. Our critics will immediately say that this really isn’t a pro-ID article but that it’s about something else (I’ve seen this line now for over a decade once work on ID started encroaching into peer-review territory). Before you believe this, have a look at the article. In it we critique, for instance, Richard Dawkins METHINKS*IT*IS*LIKE*A*WEASEL (p. 1055). Question: When Dawkins introduced this example, was he arguing pro-Darwinism? Yes he was. In critiquing his example and arguing that information is not created by unguided evolutionary processes, we are indeed making an argument that supports ID.

      Posted in Informatics, Intelligent Design | 9 Comments »

19 August 2009
SETI Gets New Toys!
Mario A. Lopez
Quest to find life beyond Earth gets technological boosts

By Andrea Pitzer, Special for USA TODAY 8/19/09
The search for intelligent life in the universe is still on.
Despite the absence of interstellar tourists to date, astronomers at the SETI Institute (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) are hoping that we are not alone.

And with new spacecraft to locate planets circling nearby stars, as well as more effective listening devices here at home, scientists have more tools at their disposal to find Earth-like planets or signs of other life forms.

But the possibility of intelligent life is what interests scientists at SETI. Using SETI’s 42-antenna Allen Telescope Array in Northern California, they can listen in many directions for unusual radio signals coming from space.

According to institute astronomer Seth Shostak, Carl Sagan posited that more than a million civilizations might be capable of broadcasting signals. Scientist and author Isaac Asimov hypothesized that the number might be half that. SETI astronomer Frank Drake has estimated the number might be closer to 10,000.

Read more…

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2009,21:43   

Quote (Goffr @ Aug. 22 2009,02:36)
Dumski thinks he is a clever dick. From his paper

       
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E. Partitioned Search
Partitioned search [12] is a “divide and conquer” procedure
best introduced by example. Consider the L = 28 character
phrase

METHINKS ? IT ? IS ? LIKE ? A ? WEASEL. (19)

Suppose that the result of our first query of L = 28 characters
is

SCITAMROFN ? IYRANOITULOVE ? SAM. (20)

Two of the letters {E, S} are in the correct position. They are
shown in a bold font. In partitioned search, our search for these
letters is finished. For the incorrect letters, we select 26 new
letters and obtain

OOT ? DENGISEDESEHT ? ERA?NETSIL. (21)


Oh wait what is that random phrase reversed?
SCITAMROFN ? IYRANOITULOVE ? SAM

MAS EVOLUTIONARYINFROMATICS

OOT ? DENGISEDESEHT ? ERA?NETSIL

LISTEN ARE THESE DESIGNED TOO.

oh ha ha.

It's a shame Dawkins' program DOESN'T MUTATUTE EVERY CHARACTER EACH GENERATION. Man is this guy full retard.

Since Dembski and Marks used reversed sentences one may consider that niwrad is one of them.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2009,21:56   

niwrad, clive,baby and a few more

i, as Rusty J Shackleford of intelligent design, have preceded you all in these conspiracy identity theories

there may well be only one tard behind the all of ID.  it has yet to be seen.  it's a regular fucking brain trust that is for sure.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2009,00:47   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 23 2009,21:12)
Dembski, posts, with "Comments off":

   
Quote
Evolutionary Informatics as Intelligent Design and not as Theistic Evolution
William Dembski
The paper on evolutionary informatics by Robert Marks and me that was recently published in an IEEE journal (go here for the paper) continues to generate discussion on the Internet. One criticism is that it at best is consistent with theistic evolution but does not support ID. I think this is a mistake. I’ve said for over a decade now that ID is consistent with the most far-flung evolutionary change. The key contention of ID is that design in nature, and in biology in particular, is detectable. Evolutionary informatics, by looking at the information requirements of evolutionary processes, points to information sources beyond evolution and thus, indirectly, to a designer. Theistic evolution, by contrast, accepts the Darwinian view that Darwinian processes generate the information required for biological complexity internally, without any outside source of information. The results by Marks and me are showing that this cannot be the case. The paper just published is only the first installment. It essentially lays out our accounting procedure for measuring the information in evolutionary search. We have two forthcoming papers that flesh out our larger project (available at www.evoinfo.org/publications), showing that attempts to account for the information internally, without an external information source, all founder.

      Posted in Intelligent Design, theistic evolution | Comments Off

23 August 2009
Functional Interdependencies Tighten The Noose On Darwinists’ ‘Received Wisdom’
Robert Deyes
Synopsis Of The Fourth Chapter Of Nature’s IQ By Balazs Hornyanszky and Istvan Tasi
As an avid participant of the compass-based sport of orienteering in the 1980s, one of the roles I was frequently assigned to was that of ‘course designer’. Meeting the needs of the many orienteering enthusiasts who turned up on competition day was a formidable task that required the cooperative efforts of a large number of individuals. Errors in communicating course layout or map design could have been navigationally disastrous for all concerned. Of course few of us need reminding of nature’s own ‘grand schemes’ of cooperative synchrony epitomized in the colonies of over eleven thousand ant species that today grace our planet. Workers, soldiers, fertilizing males and queens ‘play their instruments’ in an orchestra that is in part directed by the activity of a family of molecules called pherormones.

Read more »

      Posted in Intelligent Design | 1 Comment »

23 August 2009
Biosemiotics and Intelligent Design
Mario A. Lopez
Semiotix – Stephen Pain

The distinction between “theorising” and “belief” is extremely important because our attitude differs towards them. In a theory the reified concept of the sign does not have an ontological status but an epistemological one. While in belief, the concept has often a clear ontological one. Uexküll believed in his concept of the Bauplan in the same way as Bergson believed in the vital force. The concept of a plan is of course no different from the creationist’s concept of “intelligent design”. Any usage of the Bauplan is further complicated by its ideological usage in The Biological State, Uexküll‘s template for the German State, one that was anti-democratic and in many instances attractive to the Nazi of the 1930’s. Here I might bring in a Viennese philosopher of biology, Felix Mainx, who contributed an entry to an encyclopaedia of science of which Charles Morris was one of the main editors. After the terrible experience of the Nazi period, Mainx spent a lot of time analysing in detail the wrongs of vitalist biology or “parabiology” as he called it. Certainly, Uexküll’s theory of the Bauplan falls into this category:

The same holds for the concepts “plan”, “constructed plan”, “functional pattern”, and the like. It is characteristic of many parabiological theories that they turn such concepts into things to which they attribute an action on the “substrate” of organic events. (Mainx, p.637)

Read More…

More info here, here,

here and here

      Posted in Biology, Chemistry, Evolution, Genomics, Human evolution, Informatics, Intelligent Design, Origin Of Life, Self-Org. Theory | No Comments »

23 August 2009
Robert Wright and the New Pragmatism
Cornelius Hunter
In recent years evolutionists have been trying to pin down the theological implications of evolution. If evolution is true–and of course evolutionists believe it is true–then what does this tell us about god? From blogs to books to conferences at the Vatican, the “fact” of evolution is being integrated with our theology. The latest example of this science-informs-religion movement is Robert Wright’s op-ed piece in today’s New York Times which resurrects Charles Peirce’s pragmatism. It is yet another example of evolution’s abuse of science.

Read more

      Posted in Intelligent Design | 8 Comments »

23 August 2009
And there you have it!
William Dembski
Janna Levin, Columbia astrophysicist, gives us the cutting-edge science on the origin of the universe: there was nothing, really nothing, nothing at all … but the potential to exist. Was it Aristotle who said that nothing admits no predicates? So where did nothing get the potential to exist and then bring the universe into existence? Not to worry. Janna does give us this assurance: “We know that something happened.” Yes, this is science at its best. Let’s not bring God or design into this discussion — we wouldn’t want to be accused of “acting stupidly.” Oh, one more thing, she’s an assistant professor (go here). Want to bet that she doesn’t have problems getting tenure? Compare this to Guillermo Gonzalez at Iowa State.


YouTube Source

      Posted in Eyes Rolling, Religion, Science | 44 Comments »

22 August 2009
Szostak on Abiogenesis: Just Add Water
Cornelius Hunter
This month’s Scientific American is another example of evolution’s influence on science. Read more

      Posted in Intelligent Design | 45 Comments »

21 August 2009
[Off-topic:] School Answering Machine
William Dembski
I’m told that the Maroochydore High School, Queensland, Australia, staff voted unanimously to record the following message on their school telephone answering machine, prompted by a school policy requiring students and parents to be responsible for their children’s absences and missing homework. Apparently, the school and teachers are being sued by parents who want their children’s failing grades changed to passing grades — even though those children had double-digit absences during the semester and didn’t do enough work to finish their classes.

LISTEN AND ENJOY!

      Posted in Humor | 26 Comments »

21 August 2009
If and when The New York Times finally tanks … what will it mean for intelligent design?
O'Leary
Here’s my MercatorNet column about the decline of traditional media (known to bloggers as “legacy mainstream media”). Anyone interested in the intelligent design controversy should think carefully about how the media are changing.

Hint: Imagine a world in which media went to someone other than the Darwin lobby to find out what might be wrong with Darwinism …

I don’t accept the thesis that the old media declined because they were partisan. Rather they became more ridiculously partisan as they were declining.

Single-minded partisanship is – in a free society – usually an outcome of consumer choice. People can get their news from lots of sources. So if they choose your source, you can develop the story as you like.

But – by contrast – how many air traffic controllers are permitted to bug pilots with their opinions about politics and religion? How many weather forecasters would last long if they likewise bugged farmers seeking data on the tornado watch?

So the tsunami of consumer choices in media fuels partisanship – but also opportunity. Read more »

      Posted in Intelligent Design | 4 Comments »

21 August 2009
More Chimp-Human Genome Problems
Cornelius Hunter
One of evidences for evolution that has been strongly touted in recent years is the fact that the genomes of the human and chimpanzee are so similar. About 98.4% of the instructions in our genome match the chimp’s. We must share a common ancestor, so goes the argument which doesn’t worry about how humans and chimps could be so different. With a 98.4% match, evolution must be true. That, of course, is not a scientific argument. But leaving that aside, when we look under the hood we actually find that comparisons of the human and chimp genomes contradict evolution.

Read more

      Posted in Intelligent Design | 28 Comments »

20 August 2009
Evidence for an early prokaryotic endosymbiosis
Mario A. Lopez
Hypothesis
Nature 460, 967-971 (20 August 2009) | doi:10.1038/nature08183

James A. Lake

Endosymbioses have dramatically altered eukaryotic life, but are thought to have negligibly affected prokaryotic evolution. Here, by analysing the flows of protein families, I present evidence that the double-membrane, Gram-negative prokaryotes were formed as the result of a symbiosis between an ancient actinobacterium and an ancient clostridium. The resulting taxon has been extraordinarily successful, and has profoundly altered the evolution of life by providing endosymbionts necessary for the emergence of eukaryotes and by generating Earth’s oxygen atmosphere. Their double-membrane architecture and the observed genome flows into them suggest a common evolutionary mechanism for their origin: an endosymbiosis between a clostridium and actinobacterium.

You’ll have to pay for this one, but I think it will make an interesting read.   Read more…

      Posted in Biology, Evolution, Science | No Comments »

20 August 2009
PZ Myers Does It Again
Clive Hayden
PZ Myers has, once again, railed against something that he doesn’t understand at his blog Pharyngula. Hi PZ! Notice that he doesn’t actually address the content of Dr. Dembski and Dr. Marks’ paper, which you can read here: Conservation of Information in Search: Measuring the Cost of Success, published at the IEEE. Given his argument, he doesn’t know how to measure the cost of success, yet claims that Dr. Dembski doesn’t understand selection. A bit of advice PZ, the argument presented by Dr. Dembski and Dr. Marks is very sophisticated PZ, your mud slinging isn’t PZ, you need to step it up PZ. I know this new stuff isn’t ez, but you may want to consider a response that has actual content PZ. Your argument against this peer-reviewed paper is still in its infancy, or, more accurately, still in the pharyngula stage, embryonic in its development.

Since evolution of the kind PZ subscribes to cannot be witnessed, the argument has moved into genetic algorithms with the advent of computational abilities to determine the affair, and the IEEE is an entirely appropriate place to publish on that subject. We’re not going anywhere, we’ll give him time to catch up and educate himself to the tenets of the paper’s actual content. And if/when he does, maybe he’ll write another blog, and possibly write one with active information, that is, actual information, or else his argument will never reach it’s target.

      Posted in Darwinism, Education, Evolution, Intelligent Design, Science | 124 Comments »

20 August 2009
Metaprogramming and DNA
niwrad
In informatics metaprogramming is a technique consisting in developing computer programs (sets of instructions) that output other programs. While simple programming means instructions generating data, metaprogramming means instructions generating instructions. In general the prefix “meta” means a thing/cause that stays at a higher semantic/ontological level than another thing/effect (in the case of metaprogramming we have a two-level hierarchy where a parent program creates child programs). For a tutorial introduction to metaprogramming see for example the following Jonathan Bartlett’s brilliant articles:
one, two and three.

DNA contains instructions, biological code for working-out various constructive cellular jobs (making proteins, setting developmental parameters, etc.). Question (inspired by the above ascertainment and readings): does DNA contain also meta-programs beyond simple programs?

Much DNA (outside its coding-for-proteins portions) seems without function (junk-DNA). Is it possible that some junk-DNA is meta-code able to assembly other DNA code? This could be an interesting ID prediction. Many have noted as the information amount contained in the genomes seems really too little to account for the overall complexity of organisms. Metaprogramming would be exactly one of the techniques able to compress the biological information. Read more »

      Posted in Genomics, Informatics, Intelligent Design | 52 Comments »

20 August 2009
Darwin’s finches by Harry Hill
Andrew Sibley
youtube video – Harry Hill puts a fresh spin on Darwinism

Sorry not embedded, but you will enjoy this UK TV comedian’s take off of Darwinism and his finches

      Posted in Intelligent Design | 3 Comments »

19 August 2009
New Peer-Reviewed Pro-ID Article in Mainstream Math/Eng Literature
William Dembski
William A. Dembski and Robert J. Marks II, “Conservation of Information in Search: Measuring the Cost of Success,” IEEE Transactions on Systems, Man and Cybernetics A, Systems & Humans, vol.39, #5, September 2009, pp.1051-1061.

*****For the official listing, go here.

*****For a pdf of the article, go here.

P.S. Our critics will immediately say that this really isn’t a pro-ID article but that it’s about something else (I’ve seen this line now for over a decade once work on ID started encroaching into peer-review territory). Before you believe this, have a look at the article. In it we critique, for instance, Richard Dawkins METHINKS*IT*IS*LIKE*A*WEASEL (p. 1055). Question: When Dawkins introduced this example, was he arguing pro-Darwinism? Yes he was. In critiquing his example and arguing that information is not created by unguided evolutionary processes, we are indeed making an argument that supports ID.

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19 August 2009
SETI Gets New Toys!
Mario A. Lopez
Quest to find life beyond Earth gets technological boosts

By Andrea Pitzer, Special for USA TODAY 8/19/09
The search for intelligent life in the universe is still on.
Despite the absence of interstellar tourists to date, astronomers at the SETI Institute (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) are hoping that we are not alone.

And with new spacecraft to locate planets circling nearby stars, as well as more effective listening devices here at home, scientists have more tools at their disposal to find Earth-like planets or signs of other life forms.

But the possibility of intelligent life is what interests scientists at SETI. Using SETI’s 42-antenna Allen Telescope Array in Northern California, they can listen in many directions for unusual radio signals coming from space.

According to institute astronomer Seth Shostak, Carl Sagan posited that more than a million civilizations might be capable of broadcasting signals. Scientist and author Isaac Asimov hypothesized that the number might be half that. SETI astronomer Frank Drake has estimated the number might be closer to 10,000.

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from here:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....olution


Chickenshit, Dembski.

I don't understand this.  I checked the first four references and only the first has comments turned off.  That's vintage Dembski all right, but why are all the others in that list?

  
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