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guthrie



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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,00:58   

Quote (Rilke's Granddaughter @ June 13 2006,23:40)
But did Dembski get into this whole thing strictly to make money?  In that case he's a dishonest, hypocritical git.  if he honestly believes in what he says, then he's a moron.

How do we parse this?  :D

I suggest getting him drunk some time and having a  nice, close to the heart chat with him.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,01:15   

Clamboy I'm jealous.....laffed so hard almost choked!!!!
Could we have a reprise on Dave Tard?
.....Or doesn't she aim lower than a snakes arsehole in a wagon rut?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,03:58   

The fact that Coulter can induce such a strong and violent reaction demonstrates that she's already won -- her goal is to incite reaction, and you're giving her everything she's looking for.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,04:58   

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The fact that Coulter can induce such a strong and violent reaction demonstrates that she's already won -- her goal is to incite reaction, and you're giving her everything she's looking for.

I'm afraid you don't understand Coulter at all.

Coulter is in the entertainment industry; she's controversial in order to sell books.  This isn't about politics any more than Limbaugh is about politics or Madonna is about music.

This is about money, pure and simple; she's a businesswoman trying to make money.  Like the strippers of old, she has a 'gimmick' that she uses to market herself.

But if we don't buy the books, then she has failed in her primary mission.  And we get free entertainment out of it!

:p  :p  :p  :p

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,05:41   

This DaveTard moment brought to you by UD, the 'Ann Coulter supports ID' website:

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Does Coulter actually mention ID somewhere? The only thing she appears to be spokesperson for is anti-Darwinism. -ds

But, if that is true, then why does everyone on there seem to think that Coulter has written in support of ID?  Oh yeah, it's because ID is nothing buy anti-Darwinism.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,05:46   

http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/1213#comment-43485

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“If you lift a barb out of its context, she sounds like a ranter. In context, the barbs are a perfectly legitimate response to the demented positions that she deconstructs.”

I offer you, gentle reader, a selection of Anne Coulter “barbs” all out of context, all from just one chapter of her book (chapter 5), and invite you to imagine the context that makes them “perfectly legitimate”.

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“… all Democratic spokesmen these days are sobbing, hysterical women.” - Page 101
“One wonders how exposing anything about Cindy could discredit her more than the poor imbecile’s own words have. - page 102
“…Cindy Sheehan, with that weird disconnect between the viciousness of her comments and her itsy-bitsy, squeaky voice.” - page 103
“These self-obsessed women seemed genuinely unaware that 9/11 was an attack on our nation …” page 103
“These broads are millionaires, lionized on TV and in articles about them, reveling in their status as celebrities and stalked by grief-arrazzis, I’ve never seen people enjoying their husbands death so much. The increasingly rabid widows …” page 103
“… the Democrats were able to ensure a whitewash of Clintons’ utter incompetence, cowardice, and capitulation to enemy regimes …” page 104
“Mostly the witches of East Brunsweick wanted George Bush to apologize for not being Bill Clinton. Like Monica Lewinsky before here, Breitweiser found impeached president Clinton “very forthcoming”.” - page 112
“Out of love for his country and an insatiable desire to have some-one notice his worthless existence, Wilson wrote a column …” - page 115
“He had been sent by his wife , Valerie Plame, a chair-warmer at the CIA who apparently wanted to get him out of the house.” - page 118
“For the really insane stuff you have to go to bush-league newspapers where reporters have all the venom of the big-city newspapers, combined with retard level IQs.” - page 119
“… the only provable conclusion of which is that Joe Wilson is a nut and a liar.” page 119
“… How does a publisher react to some pompous jerk who wants to call his book The Politics of Truth? - page 151
“The Democratic Party’s became Cindy Sheehan, loon.” - page 128
“The only sort of authority Cindy Sheehan has is the uncanny ability to demonstrate, by example, what body types should avoid wearing shorts in public.” - page 128
“Despite having a screwball for a mother, Casey Sheehan was a great American …” page 150
“There is no plausible explanation for the Democrats’ behavior other than that they long to see U.S. troops shot, humiliated and driven from the field of battle. They fill the airwaves with treason… These people are not only traitors, they are gutless traitors.” page 135
“… as long as Democrats are going to be jock sniffers for war veteran’s, let’s at least be equal about it.” - page 137
“I have a right to call Democrats blowhards, moral cowards, and traitors… they are liars and cowards and traitors.” - page 141
“Perhaps liberals will claim Moore is a “covert” agent with the CIA, - assuming a big, sweaty, behemoth like Michael Moore could actually be concealed…” - page 143

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Methinks that is going to take a LOT of context packed into a little 47 page chapter.

Quite an advocate you’ve got there.

Which of these do you imagine need context to be legitimate? -ds

Comment by DWSUWF — June 13, 2006 @ 11:50 pm

From the "ad hominem is wrong" DaveTard.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,05:53   

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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,05:55   

Davescott...

http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/1210#comment-43575

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Because if you know what laser light is (monochromatic, coherent) and how it is made (pumped optical cavity resonator) you know why it’s exceedingly rare for any natural formation to generate it. It’s almost inconceivable that any natural shutter or light source could be gated at one nanosecond intervals. Finding the exceedingly rare with the almost inconceivable in the same place at the same time moves you from almost inconceivable to fully inconceivable. I tolerate bright, thoughtful contrarians and you just don’t fit that category. You had no knowledge whatsoever from which to base your statements but you made them anyway. That’s not thoughtful. Move along now. -ds




now, from here

http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf021/sf021p06.htm

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Natural lasers in the terrestrial and martian skies?
In a current laser patent dispute, one side claims that a certain laser patent is invalid because natural phenomena cannot be patented under U.S. law. It seems that last year, Michael Mumma and colleagues at Goddard Space Flight Center and the University of Maryland discovered a 10-micrometer (infrared) laser in the Martian atmosphere. This laser is located about 75 kilometers above the surface, is optically pumped by the sun, and radiates an astonishing 101 2 watts. The terrestrial atmosphere may contain a natural 4.3-micrometer laser, for auroras are accompanied by very intense molecular emissions at this wavelength.

(Raloff, J.; "Gould Laser Patent Ruled Invalid -- So Far," Science News, 121: 199, 1982.)



Dave, do some math - is it beyond the UPB?

Oh you can't, can you.


For sale - one Explanitory Filter, still in box, never used. Instruction manual has significant wear and pages missing, however :p

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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,06:23   

Richard that's so unfair
.... now ugly David Scott Springer is going to have to print a retraction and admit to (another) huge mistake.

Or should we write one for him?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,06:25   

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Although slightly off topic, I'll mention this here since Dembski endorsed it on his blog: Mike Gene is coming out with a book, titled "The Design Matrix".  Go to www.telicthoughts.com to see a very pretty animation advertising it.  

How can you tell this is an ID book?  Because the animation finishes with a crash of thunder, followed a second later by a flash of lightning.
Oh jesus god what a crap animation. I couldn't even finish it, it was so boring and nonsensical.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,06:27   

How did Mars get a "pumped optical cavity resonator" I wonder. Oh wait, it doesn't have one. Nice one Dave.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,06:36   

Rich, I think the lasers on Mars would qualify as pumped optical cavity resonators.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,06:40   

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Oh jesus god what a crap animation. I couldn't even finish it, it was so boring and nonsensical.

Please tell me the book isn't going to argue for ID using some kind of 'The Matrix' metaphor.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,06:49   

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_resonator

Those sneaky Martian mirrors..

maybe via this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_refraction

*shrugs*

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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,06:56   

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Please tell me the book isn't going to argue for ID using some kind of 'The Matrix' metaphor.


Don't know. I didn't make it through the nonsense. Words flashing on the screen like "BUNNIES AND EARTHQUAKES" and then slowly fading away, to be replaced by "DESIGN BY EVOLUTION", slowly fading away, etc etc.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,07:51   

Another Ann Coulter post

That makes about 7 different posts devoted to Ann Coulter on the front page alone.  So, my question is this:

If Ann Coulter really does turn out to be Man Coulter, would DaveTard have to kick his own a$$ for having homosexual tendencies toward what he thought was a woman?

No.....But I can kick your a$$ outta here -dt

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,09:51   

Quote (stevestory @ June 14 2006,11:56)
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Please tell me the book isn't going to argue for ID using some kind of 'The Matrix' metaphor.


Don't know. I didn't make it through the nonsense. Words flashing on the screen like "BUNNIES AND EARTHQUAKES" and then slowly fading away, to be replaced by "DESIGN BY EVOLUTION", slowly fading away, etc etc.

Why was the animation even necessary? Couldn't they have just typed the text? Think in way that you have never thought before? Think I'll stick with the ways I'm thinking now. If I started thinking like Mike Gene, every post on here would have to be a separate flash animation.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,10:41   

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If I started thinking like Mike Gene, every post on here would have to be a separate flash animation.


more like "flashback".

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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,12:26   

Heh, DaveScot and Dembski are so much more fun--
You get two, two, two 'tards in one.

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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,15:09   

about "Man Coulter"...

Now, why you gotta go and accuse her of being a man!

I'm gonna sick GW on ya:

http://www.whitehouse.org/news/2002/082002.asp

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"Husky baritone or not, this broad's too stacked to be a man."


btw, there is some evidence to suggest that the idea that coulter is a transexual started in the White House press core itself; shortly after Coulter called Helen Thomas "that old Arab".

thoroughly disgusting "thing" is Ann  Coulter.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,16:20   

Salvador Cordova--you know him, the person a small minority of people thought might actually be dumber than AFDave--has a new post up at UD. Apparently he, too, is some kind of pilot, on top of having an engineering degree.

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June 14, 2006
Airplane magnetos, contingency designs, and reasons ID will prevail

Intelligent design will open doors to scientific exploration which Darwinism is too blind to perceive. The ID perspective allows us to find designed architectures within biology which are almost invisible to natural selection. Thus, the ID perspective is a far better framework for scientific investigation than the Darwinian perspective. What do I mean, and how will I justify my claim?

Let me illustrate my point with some anecdotes. I was piloting a small airplane in the spring of 2002. My airplane suffered a potentially serious systems failure during the flight. In piston powered aircraft, the electrical ignition system (called a magneto system) is life-critical. Aircraft engineers consider the magneto system so crucial that they design each engine with two redundant, independent magnetos. If one magneto fails, the other seamlessly takes over. In fact, these dually redundant systems are so effective that a pilot will not even know if one of the magnetos failed in mid-flight until he’s back on the ground doing a routine inspection of his airplane!

Well that’s what happened to me on my flight in 2002. My left magneto gave out and I continued flying using only the right magneto. There are no instruments on board to indicate if one of the magnetos fail. The failure is usually discovered after landing. The airplane flies just fine without on one magneto as long as the other magneto is working. That is by design.

How did I eventually realize I had a left magneto failure? After I landed, I took a break, then prepared to take off again. I went through a routine procedure to check out the airplane’s airworthiness.

I started the engine and followed several procedures on my check list. I then got to the part on the checklist where I separately test the integrity of each magneto. I shut off one magneto and leave the other on.

“Engine 1800 RPM: check!”

“Right magneto: check!”

“Left magneto: Whoa! Holy smokes!”

The engine practically cut off during the left magneto check. There are no instruments to indicate a mid-flight magneto failure. Such system failures are detected after landing. Thus, I had previously been flying through the air blissfully unaware of the left magneto failure. “Ignorance is bliss”. Ha! As I came to the realization that I had been flying on only one magneto, I had visions of what might have happened had the right magneto also failed, visions of me having to fly the airplane with a dead engine, and visions of me gliding the airplane to a safe landing in someone’s backyard…(ah, but I digress)….

What does this have to do with biology and Darwinism? One way Darwinists conclude something is evolutionary junk, a vestigial feature, or an otherwise useless biological artifact is to apply “knock-out” experiments on an organism. If a piece of the organism is knocked out, and the organism still functions well and is otherwise “fit”, then the knocked-out piece is deemed useless, an evolutionary leftover, junk, or even bad design.

What’s wrong with such logic you ask? Well allow me to clarify. Imagine if one applies this line of reasoning to the architecture of a magneto-fired airplane engine:

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 We knocked out the left magneto system on Airplane X and determined the airplane flies just as well without it. We knocked out the right magneto system on Airplane Y and determined the airplane flies just as well without it. We conclude therefore from these knockout experiments that neither the left magneto nor the right magneto have any functional significance since the airplanes were clearly fit without them. Magnetos are therefore unneeded vestigial artifacts, junk, and evidence poor design, totally useless to the airplane. Furthermore this is further evidence that airplanes are made by blind watchmakers.


Think I’m kidding, and evolutionary biologists don’t make these kinds of obviously bad inferences?

See:
Minimal genome should be twice the size, study shows

   
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“Previous attempts to work out the minimal genome have relied on deleting individual genes in order to infer which genes are essential for maintaining life,” said Professor Laurence Hurst from the Department of Biology and Biochemistry at the University of Bath.

   “This knock out approach misses the fact that there are alternative genetic routes, or pathways, to the production of the same cellular product.

   When you knock out one gene, the genome can compensate by using an alternative gene.

   But when you repeat the knock out experiment by deleting the alternative, the genome can revert to the original gene instead.

   Using the knock-out approach you could infer that both genes are expendable from the genome because there appears to be no deleterious effect in both experiments.”


Knockout experiments have also been used to argue “junk DNA” is junk. This is out rightly bad science, but it persists because of Darwinist’s eagerness to close their eyes to design and paint various artifacts in biology a the product of a clumsy blind watchmaker rather than an intelligent designer.

The strategy of using several different means to achieve a particular goal where each of the individual means is sufficient by itself to achieve the goal is used in many engineered systems to ensure that the goal will be achieved, even if one or more of the means fail. For example, the space shuttle’s on-board inertial guidance system, consists of five redundant computers!

How does this relate to biology and intelligent design? Let me quote geneticist Michael Denton in his book Nature’s Destiny:

 
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  It now appears that a considerable number of genes, perhaps even the majority in higher organisms, are completely or at least partially redundant. One of the major pieces of evidence that this it the case has come from so-called gene knockout experiments, where a gene is effectively disabled in some way using genetic-engineering techniques so that it cannot play its normal role in the organism’s biology. A classic example of this came when a gene coding for a large complex protein known as Tenascin-C, which occurs in the extra cellular matrix of all vertebrates, was knocked out in mice, without any obvious effect. As the author of a paper commenting on this surprising result cautions: “It would be premature to conclude that [the protein] has no important function …[as] it is conserved in every vertebrate species, which argues strongly for a fundamental role.” The protein product of the Zeste gene in the fruit fly drosophila, which is a component of certain multi-protein complexes involved in transcribing regions of the DNA, can also be knocked out without any obvious effect on the very processes in which it is known to function.

   The phenomenon of redundant genes is so widespread that it is already acknowledge to pose something of an evolutionary conundrum. Although in the words of the author of one recent article, “true genetic redundancy ought to be, in an evolutionary sense, impossible or at least unlikely,” partially redundant genes are common. As another authority comments in recent review article: “Arguments over whether there can be true redundancy are moot for the experimentalist. The question is how the functions for partially redundant genes can be discovered given that partial redundancy is the rule.

   And it seems increasingly that it is not only individual genes that are redundant, but rather that the phenomenon may be all-pervasive in the development of higher organisms, existing at every level from individual genes to the most complex developmental processes. For example, individual nerve axons, like guided missiles or migrating birds, are guided to their targets by a number of different and individually redundant mechanisms and clues. The development of the female sexual organ, the vulva, in the nematode provides perhaps the most dramatic example to date of redundancy exploited as a fail-safe device at the very highest level. A detailed description of the mechanism of formation of the nematode vulva is beyond the scope of this chapter, suffice it to say that the organ is generated by means of two quite different developmental mechanism, either of which is sufficient by itself to generate a perfect vulva.

   It seems increasingly likely that redundancy will prove to be universally exploited in many key aspects of the development of higher organisms, for precisely the same reason it is utilized in many other areas–as a fail safe mechanism to ensure that developmental goals are achieved with what amounts to a virtually zero error rate.

   Now, this phenomenon poses an additional challenge to the idea that organisms can be radically transformed as a result of a succession of small independent changes, as Darwinian theory supposes. For it means that if an advantageous change is to occur, in an organ system such as the nematode vulva, which is specified in two completely different ways, then this will of necessity require simultaneous changes in both blueprints. In other words, the greater the degree of redundancy, the greater the need for simultaneous mutation to effect evolutionary change and the more difficult it is to believe that evolutionary change could have been engineered without intelligent direction.

Denton describes what I call contingency designs. It should be hopefully obvious that contingency designs are exactly the kinds of designs that are hard pressed to be created via natural selection. How does one evolve a contingency design when the primary design functions just as well? If a creature mutates a failure into a life-critical primary system, it will more likely be selectively eliminated before it can evolve a fully functioning backup system!

ID’s explanatory filter is therefore a potentially more effective tool at identifying designs which elude Darwinian style tests (such as knockout experiments) for functionality. ID’s explanatory filter looks for possible functionality by identifying specified complexity in biological artifacts which may not evidence any immediate effect on the organism if the biological artifact is knocked out.

I will pursue this more perhaps in another post, but I point out, IBM may have unwittingly detected designs which would otherwise elude the fitness test. See:
Invasion of the IBM engineers[link]

The ability of the Explanatory Filter to identify designs in biology which Darwinists would sooner perceive as an accident and which will elude “fitness tests” is another reason I believe ID will prevail as the proper scientific framework for investigating biology.

The Explanatory Filter may very well succeed in identifying places to look for design which may have otherwise been easily overlooked. I will post on this more, but in the meantime in case you’ve missed it, here is my essay on a related topic: How IDers can win the war[link]

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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,18:39   

Do IDists ever read what they write?

Salvadore:
 
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Intelligent design will open doors to scientific exploration which Darwinism is too blind to perceive.

Think I’m kidding, and evolutionary biologists don’t make these kinds of obviously bad inferences?


Then he quotes from a University of Bath press release discussing exactly what 'Darwinism' is supposed to be too blind to perceive!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,20:02   

Quote (stevestory @ June 14 2006,21:20)
Salvador Cordova--you know him, the person a small minority of people thought might actually be dumber than AFDave--has a new post up at UD. Apparently he, too, is some kind of pilot, on top of having an engineering degree.

Lest anyone think that a combination engineering/flying background dooms one to creobotulism,  let me assure you that there are plenty of non-creobot pilot/engineers in the world (including me and 3 out of 12 fellow employees at the company where I work).

On the other hand, there might be a connection between creationism and flying too high too long without oxygen...

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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,20:32   

Early in the thread:
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My left magneto gave out and I continued flying using only the right magneto. There are no instruments on board to indicate if one of the magnetos fail. The failure is usually discovered after landing. The airplane flies just fine without on one magneto as long as the other magneto is working. That is by design.

Later in the thread, Salvador admits that the magneto didn't fail at all, but rather the plugs got fouled:          
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What apparently happened was the spark plugs tied to left magneto system got badly fouled, and I mean badly, the engine was cutting off during the check. It absolutely turned my stomach. The physical magneto did not fail as much as the magneto system (a phrase which I mean to includ the plugs tied to them).

It remains a mystery why the plugs tied to the right magneto were not comparably fouled. I can only thank Providence for that fact. To remedy the situation, I leaned out the engine and ran up the RPMs to generate maximum heat in attempt to burn off the junk on the plugs tied to the left magneto. I was skeptical super heating the engine would solve the problem because the way the engine was dying, I thought for sure it was something other than spark plug fouling. Anyway, after a few minutes of this procedure, the left magneto system was operational, but I flew with the uncomforatble thought that only a few hours of flight could hose one’s sparkplugs that badly!

Translation:  The left magneto failed.  Well, not the physical magneto. (The spiritual magneto?)  Okay, I screwed up by running the mixture too rich during cruise and fouled the plugs.  The Designer bailed me out.

The moral of the story: Don't fly with Salvador.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,21:31   

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I have a better story than a magneto failure. I rented a plane where the airspeed indicator was in MPH instead of KNOTS and I didn’t notice. When I was flying it I noticed that the airspeeds weren’t what I expected for rotation, stall, etcetera so I cut the difference in half between what my experience told me the airspeed was and what the airspeed indicator reading was and used the compromise to set up the plane for various flight modes. When I came back (it was a cross country solo while still in training) and told my instructor he didn’t know whether to be more impressed that I knew the aircraft well enough to know that the indicated airspeed was wrong or upset that I didn’t notice it was MPH instead of KNOTS as it was clearly labeled on the face of the instrument.


Ok...Davey...when you tell that story in the future...
You might not want to mention that you FAILED TO REALIZE THE GAUGE WAS IN MPH DESPITE IT BEING CLEARLY LABELED.  Trust me...he wasnt impressed.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,23:12   

Let's parse Davey's little adventure:

He was an inexperienced student pilot about to embark on a cross-country solo flight.  He noticed what he thought was an airspeed indicator error on takeoff.  Instead of landing immediately and getting the AI checked out, like any sensible pilot would do, he proceeded to fly the entire cross-country in what he believed was a defective aircraft.

Not only that, he split the difference between what the airspeed indicator said and what he thought it should say, even after testing for the actual stall speed.  The result was that he took off, climbed, approached, and landed, all at airspeeds too close to the stall speed.

As for his instructor being impressed that Davey noticed the discrepancy, consider this:  rotation speed is 55 knots in a Cessna 172 (which is what Davey previously mentioned flying).  If he tried to rotate at 55 MPH, he was rotating at 48 knots, which is the clean stall speed for a C-172.  At that speed, the airplane would have at most staggered out of ground effect with the stall horn blaring.  Anyone failing to notice that is deaf as well as stupid.

I think we can be grateful that Davey gave up flying and now spends his time in his boat ogling nude sunbathers on the shores of Lake Travis.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 15 2006,02:01   

You might like to keep an eye open for an entity called "Randy Macgruber" (Or as I have christened him, Brave sir Robin), because I think it would be interesting to see if he does turn up.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 15 2006,05:00   

http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/1220#comment-43711

Sal isn't the brightest bulb in the bunch...

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...DNA is classified as junk simply because scientist are ignorant of it’s possible function. This is an example of a pre-disposition to discourage the exploration of something that might have serious scientific value simply because of the Darwinian anti-design bias is pervasive in certain circles...

OK, so it's all those design theorists who are in the labs figuring out what functions those portions of DNA do, right?
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...Here is a non-ID website with a better perspective:

www.noncodingdna.com
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So, a non-ID website is investigating this?  Oh, so the junk label isn't really an impediment to scientific investigation at all, is it?  What a maroon.

  
Faid



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(Permalink) Posted: June 15 2006,05:24   

Oh man. Just when you think UD's comic interest is beggining to dry out, Dave And Sal's Flying Adventures come to save the day!

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A look into DAVE HAWKINS' sense of honesty:

"The truth is that ALL mutations REDUCE information"

"...mutations can add information to a genome.  And remember, I have never said that this is not possible."

  
jujuquisp



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(Permalink) Posted: June 15 2006,09:14   

At least Sal and DaveTard can spell "beginning" correctly.  Geez.

  
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