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Zachriel Posts: 2723 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 16 2008,07:31    Quote Stash: Does Miller have an evolutionary explanation that requires no recourse to intelligence? The cell contains high-tech machinery. Why isn’t this evidence for design? bililiad: That’s begging the question. Just to make sure there's no doubt, Stash begs the question even more beggingly. Behold! Quote Stash: We look inside the cell, and, behold, it is a high-tech world. We know that engineers produce technology. We don’t know any unguided evolutionary process that does. -------------- You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person.

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 16 2008,07:54    Several of the comments in that thread have vanished. I have them saved, I will post them here in a little while. -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

dheddle Posts: 545 Joined: Sep. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 16 2008,09:17    Who is Stash? Has he ever posted on UD before? -------------- Mysticism is a rational enterprise. Religion is not. The mystic has recognized something about the nature of consciousness prior to thought, and this recognition is susceptible to rational discussion. The mystic has reason for what he believes, and these reasons are empirical. --Sam Harris

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 16 2008,09:18    Quote (Lou FCD @ May 16 2008,05:40) Quote (didymos @ May 16 2008,01:47) Looks like Dave nuked Wallace's nasty little TARD. Good on you, Dave.  It takes an especially low kind of bottom feeder to go after a kid because you don't like the parent. If Dave was 'in charge' of ID I think he might actually start asking for some research. I don't know if he's worked out that (1- everything but design) = design is actually impossible without perfect information, though. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Annyday Posts: 583 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 16 2008,09:23    Quote (Richardthughes @ May 16 2008,09:18)   Quote (Lou FCD @ May 16 2008,05:40)     Quote (didymos @ May 16 2008,01:47) Looks like Dave nuked Wallace's nasty little TARD. Good on you, Dave.  It takes an especially low kind of bottom feeder to go after a kid because you don't like the parent. If Dave was 'in charge' of ID I think he might actually start asking for some research. I don't know if he's worked out that (1- everything but design) = design is actually impossible without perfect information, though. You presume that we do not have perfect information! I myself know the exact limits of all always-linked evo-mat processes, both discovered AND undiscovered. Even between the two, flagella and gravity eyes and thermodynamics and immune systems and abiogenesis and blood clotting systems and the big bang could never come to be! Not even if you randomly mutated the simulating source code- because I tried that already!!!1!!1 Evolution is an untestable dogma for materialistic nazi atheiscientists!!! -------------- "ALL eight of the "nature" miracles of Jesus could have been accomplished via the electroweak quantum tunneling mechanism. For example, walking on water could be accomplished by directing a neutrino beam created just below Jesus' feet downward." - Frank Tipler, ISCID fellow

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 16 2008,09:34    Very good, Tranny Gay! Your first tardologue? -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

PTET Posts: 133 Joined: Jan. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 16 2008,09:40    Quote (dheddle @ May 16 2008,09:17) Who is Stash? Has he ever posted on UD before? Oh yeah. Stash is so mindbendingly stupid I'd call POE... If he wasn't posting on the front page at UD. Here's a classic exchange...     Quote Stash How many times does the phrase “battle for life” come up in the Origin of Species? It’s there over and over again. Battles have winners and losers — they are about inequalities and invidious distinctions. To say that Darwin was not an intellectual forebear of Hitler is simply ludicrous. DaveScot ...The human race was so peaceful and nice before Darwin came along. Now look at it. Disgusting. All the fault of Charles Darwin. His real name was Lucifer. Can I get an amen on that my brother? Props to DaveScot on that one. He may be a fat cnut. But sometimes he hits the spot... My guess Stash is someone at UD's idiot niece/nephew. And also that "stash" is what they vist before every post... [Edited for spelling. Do'h.....] -------------- "It’s not worth the effort to prove the obvious. Ridiculous ideas don’t deserve our time. Even the attempt to formulate ID is a generous accommodation." - ScottAndrews

Annyday Posts: 583 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 16 2008,10:02    Quote (Richardthughes @ May 16 2008,09:34) Very good, Tranny Gay! Your first tardologue? I think so. I'm thinkin' I should allcaps it next time. For some reason the "visual yelling" effect of the caps just ... works, somehow. It comes off too sane without. -------------- "ALL eight of the "nature" miracles of Jesus could have been accomplished via the electroweak quantum tunneling mechanism. For example, walking on water could be accomplished by directing a neutrino beam created just below Jesus' feet downward." - Frank Tipler, ISCID fellow

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 16 2008,10:19    well tranny there is a precedent for the Caps Bolded Tardologue. Some call it the Voice From The Ceiling. -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

dogdidit Posts: 315 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 16 2008,10:26    Haven't yet seen a kf tardologue, which I thought Annyday was attempting. Not sure that Wesley can afford the bandwidth, unless you (losslessly) compress the kfness to "sadly linked always evo door mat red strawmen burn herrings" or something like that. -------------- "Humans carry plants and animals all over the globe, thus introducing them to places they could never have reached on their own. That certainly increases biodiversity." - D'OL

dogdidit Posts: 315 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 16 2008,10:31    Oops forgot to add the oil of ad hominem. Maybe that's why the herrings burned... -------------- "Humans carry plants and animals all over the globe, thus introducing them to places they could never have reached on their own. That certainly increases biodiversity." - D'OL

Mr_Christopher Posts: 1238 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 16 2008,10:36    Will someone who has a UD account add the Ben Stein quote in that thread? -------------- Uncommon Descent is a moral cesspool, a festering intellectual ghetto that intoxicates and degrades its inhabitants - Stephen Matheson

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 16 2008,10:43    Quote (Annyday @ May 16 2008,10:02) Quote (Richardthughes @ May 16 2008,09:34) Very good, Tranny Gay! Your first tardologue? I think so. I'm thinkin' I should allcaps it next time. For some reason the "visual yelling" effect of the caps just ... works, somehow. It comes off too sane without. Blows own trumpet -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 16 2008,21:13    Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ May 16 2008,07:49) Gil Dodg'em:       Quote The F-35 fighter aircraft (for which our company is designing a new pilot ejection parachute), did not come about by throwing out the Wright Flyer biplane, and then throwing out the Piper Cub, and then throwing out the F-16. The impotence of natural selection as a creative force is transparently and logically evident. This is a relief. I pictured countless Wright Flyers reproducing until Malthusian limits imposed ruthless selection. Only the most effective Flyers left descendants. Aviation red in tail and prop. Like aircraft, organisms don't reproduce. Descent with modification is bunko. I spoke too soon. And this occurred in a public space: (Descent with modification.) -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

digitus impudicus Posts: 62 Joined: Feb. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 16 2008,22:26    <Bizarro world on> However, there are no intromitent organs to be seen in the picture.  We are not sure how their genes could be transferred.  (We don't even know how light aircraft progress from ultralights - light aircraft - 737 - 747 - C5A)  None of this has been observed in the wild.  Occasional possible gene transfers from KC-137's to various F-4's, F-15's, A-4's, F-14's, B-1's, B-2's, and F-18's have produced no new kinds. <Bizarro world off> WTF????? Doesn't even get into possible homosexual relationships.  No one except the pilots of the above aircraft have sexed them, and even they don't agree.....

digitus impudicus Posts: 62 Joined: Feb. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 16 2008,22:31    We can though, further study this apparent relationship between the Beechcraft C-35 Bonanza, and it's much older Stinson mate.  However, since we still are unable to reliable sex aircraft to this day, we might be facing another public demonstration of the homosexual agenda.  (DT, WAD, etc, be praised.)

digitus impudicus Posts: 62 Joined: Feb. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 16 2008,22:32    Damnit, too many beers, too few edit buttons... English sucks after about 10 beers..

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 16 2008,22:41    Quote (digitus impudicus @ May 16 2008,23:32) Damnit, too many beers, too few edit buttons... English sucks after about 10 beers.. Descent with mortification. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

digitus impudicus Posts: 62 Joined: Feb. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 16 2008,23:04    Descent with inebriation is at least a better excuse than what has come from ID...

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 16 2008,23:08    Quote (digitus impudicus @ May 17 2008,00:04) Descent with inebriation is at least a better excuse than what has come from ID... UD is much more horrifying when you realize they're probably saying all that stuff perfectly sober. :p

digitus impudicus Posts: 62 Joined: Feb. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 16 2008,23:30    :-( Egads..

digitus impudicus Posts: 62 Joined: Feb. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 16 2008,23:31    Can someone explain to me rationally the whole F-35 and evolution thingy?  after 16 beers, that concept still doesn't make sense...

digitus impudicus Posts: 62 Joined: Feb. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 16 2008,23:38    Correction, I just did the XL calculations, and it is technically 17.333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 beers. F35 wing = evolution still = shit Beuller----Beuller.....anyone?

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 17 2008,00:02    Quote (Mr_Christopher @ May 16 2008,10:36) Will someone who has a UD account add the Ben Stein quote in that thread? Done.  I'll put it here, just in case. Quote 17 Bob O'H 05/16/2008 1:15 pm Tard Alert! Quote Read what Stein said in context, Dr. Miller. The Nazi’s looked to science — the “best” science of the day, notably Darwinism — to justify murdering people (in addition to setting up very efficient, scientifically based mechanisms for doing so). Do you deny this? Do you really think that Stein was saying more than this? I’m not Dr. Miller, but I’d certainly deny that’s what Stein said. Listen for yourself (Go to the Behind the Scenes tab, and to the 21st April, ), 27.25 minutes in: Quote Stein: When we just saw that man, I think it was Mr. Myers [i.e. biologist P.Z. Myers], talking about how great scientists were, I was thinking to myself the last time any of my relatives saw scientists telling them what to do they were telling them to go to the showers to get gassed … that was horrifying beyond words, and that’s where science — in my opinion, this is just an opinion — that’s where science leads you. Crouch: That’s right. Stein: …Love of God and compassion and empathy leads you to a very glorious place, and science leads you to killing people. Crouch: Good word, good word. The ellipsis contains a description of Stein’s experiences in Germany. Notice he uses that he uses his German trip to back up his statement that “…last time any of my relatives saw scientists telling them what to do they were telling them to go to the showers to get gassed…” - i.e. this is what the scientists were doing. Not, indeed what Nazis were doing, or that it was the Nazis who were perverting science. Also note what else he does not say. He does not say “Nazi’s [sic] looked to science — the “best” science of the day, notably Darwinism — to justify murdering people”. He says that scientists - the scientists themselves - were killing people. There is nothing in what Stein says about the Nazis using the best science of the day to justify their actions. He says that it was scientists who were doing the killing, and concludes that “science leads you to killing people”. That was post 17.  We're now at post 29, and it's been ignored. As an added bonus, vjtorley doesn't like street theatre. Quote 23 vjtorley 05/16/2008 6:02 pm Tard Alert! Invective should never be found on our Web page. That’s a low debating tactic that the other side stoops to. We have good science on our side, so we don’t need to do that. “Pedant” and “elitist prig” are unhelpful terms of abuse, which do nothing to further our cause. -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

digitus impudicus Posts: 62 Joined: Feb. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 17 2008,00:16    And much tard ensues... http://www.uncommondescent.com/expelle....-288800

Advocatus Diaboli Posts: 198 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 17 2008,03:56    Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ May 16 2008,07:54) Several of the comments in that thread have vanished. I have them saved, I will post them here in a little while. Stuff dissappearing in UD? NEVER! Meanwhile, Michael Egnorance wonders where some of Dr Novella's posts have vanished. His blog posts are gone. Like they never even happened. So I publicly ask Dr.Novella this question: what happened to your blog posts? A post on your blog NeuroLogica to answer this question would be helpful. Oh my! -------------- I once thought that I made a mistake, but I was wrong. "I freely admit I’m a sociopath" - DaveScot "Most importanly, the facts are on the side of ID." - scordova "UD is the greatest website of all time." stevestory

Alan Fox Posts: 1556 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 17 2008,04:44    Quote (Advocatus Diaboli @ May 16 2008,22:56)   Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ May 16 2008,07:54) Several of the comments in that thread have vanished. I have them saved, I will post them here in a little while. Stuff dissappearing in UD? NEVER! Meanwhile, Michael Egnorance wonders where some of Dr Novella's posts have vanished. His blog posts are gone. Like they never even happened. So I publicly ask Dr.Novella this question: what happened to your blog posts? A post on your blog NeuroLogica to answer this question would be helpful. Oh my! Couldn't have any connection with this, could it? Nah! It has to be an evil darwinist conspiracy! Edit: Oops, I just noticed the date. Never mind.

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 17 2008,05:02    If GilDodgen takes one more step...   Quote The bottom line is that Ken Miller is so heavily invested (professionally, monetarily, and prestige-wise) in Darwinian orthodoxy that to admit to Darwinism's fundamental explanatory deficiencies would be to admit that he wasted much of his professional life in pursuit of a lie. Such admissions and concessions are very difficult. I know this from personal experience. ETA:  Go Gil, go!  You can do it! Edited by Lou FCD on May 17 2008,06:04 -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 17 2008,05:48    Here are the deleted comments -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

dogdidit Posts: 315 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 17 2008,09:00    Quote (digitus impudicus @ May 16 2008,23:31) Can someone explain to me rationally the whole F-35 and evolution thingy?  after 16 beers, that concept still doesn't make sense... It's simple, really. As stash explains: Quote We look inside the cell, and, behold, it is a high-tech world. Stash claims to work at a company that produces parachutes for the ejection seat for the F-35, so presumably he would know high-tech when he sees it. I haven't peered into the innards of the cell myself (erm, which cell??) but I am waiting with anticipation for stash to reveal precisely which high-tech machinery he has observed. Semiconductor devices, such as field-effect or bipolar junction transistors? Amplifiers, diodes, switches, NAND gates, integrated circuits? RF modulators, filters, and up-converters? GaAs MMICs? FIR filters, forward error correction circuits, encryption devices with key-fill? CCD arrays, laser diodes, CRT or LCD or plasma displays? HDTV? iPods? Bluetooth? MPEG-1? -2? -4? (Poor MPEG-3; always a bridesmaid...) Magnetrons? Travelling wave tubes? High voltage power supplies? Lasers, radars, wireless communication, fiber optics? Memory using magnetic media, optical drive, static or dynamic or flash RAM? Solid fuel rockets? Parachutes? I sure hope stash doesn't keep me waiting... -------------- "Humans carry plants and animals all over the globe, thus introducing them to places they could never have reached on their own. That certainly increases biodiversity." - D'OL

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