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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 12 2007,16:55   

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His challenge the parallels consequences of presuppositions


The who whatting how with huh? :p

  
Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 12 2007,16:58   

Quote (Kristine @ Dec. 12 2007,17:53)
Well, that Barry was good for at least five rantfests. This is the most writing I have done in a while that wasn't for a class! :)

So, anything else exciting happening at UD?
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The Pope has formally challenged governments to address moral issues of humanity above environment and that political decisions must be based on sound science, not political environmental movements. His challenge the parallels consequences of presuppositions in the origins debate, considering the differences between Darwinism, Intelligent Design, and Creationism.

*Blinks*

Uh - did anyone else have to read this several times? Maybe my contacts are blurry. ("His challenge the parallels consequences"?)
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DLH musta bought Granny Tard's book and studied the sentence structure (or lack thereof).

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 12 2007,17:33   

Quote (Kristine @ Dec. 12 2007,16:53)
Well, that Barry was good for at least five rantfests. This is the most writing I have done in a while that wasn't for a class! :)

So, anything else exciting happening at UD?
 
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The Pope has formally challenged governments to address moral issues of humanity above environment and that political decisions must be based on sound science, not political environmental movements. His challenge the parallels consequences of presuppositions in the origins debate, considering the differences between Darwinism, Intelligent Design, and Creationism.

*Blinks*

Uh - did anyone else have to read this several times? Maybe my contacts are blurry. ("His challenge the parallels consequences"?)
Link

Wow, proof that DLH, whoever he is, probably reads ATBC: they already fixed it!

 
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His challenge to sound science over ideological pressures parallels issues in the origins debate


Darn, I thought the UD staff just scored some good orange sunshine.

Anyway, not that I would condone such behavior, but in the abstract it would be amusing if someone who still had posting priveleges at UD -- not any of us certainly -- were to go to that thread and make a comment about how the Pope is the Whore of Babylon and that Catholics are not Christians but just a bunch of Mary worshippers.

Of course, I wouldn't encourage this, I'm just thinking hypothetically here.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 12 2007,18:13   

Did ID predict this?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/12/12/pregnancy.balance.ap/index.html

(The pregnancy was front-load, though. Fnar Fnar)

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 12 2007,19:06   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 12 2007,19:13)
Did ID predict this?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/12/12/pregnancy.balance.ap/index.html

(The pregnancy was front-load, though. Fnar Fnar)

You're behind the 8 ball, Rich.

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Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

   
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 12 2007,19:34   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 12 2007,19:06)
You're behind the 8 ball, Rich.

I did the front-loaded gag on my own, though.

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 12 2007,19:38   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 12 2007,20:34)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 12 2007,19:06)
You're behind the 8 ball, Rich.

I did the front-loaded gag on my own, though.

"Frontloading" and "gag" should probably only be used in the same sentence by the pornography industry.

Just for future reference.

;)

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Annyday



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 12 2007,20:20   

What the hell is this?

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Are we condemned to Darwinian shackles of scarcity in a fight for survival in the modern jungle?

Or if there is evidence for Intelligent Design, could there actually be sufficient or even abundant energy to support such population growth?


Intelligent design says something about whether or not the world should be convenient for X, Y and Z technologies to propagate? How precisely does a supposedly biological, or even cosmological form of design presuppose that the world will be just how you like it in one way instead of another? This is pure Panglossian wishful thinking. It's a giftwrapped version of "the Lord will provide". It belongs in church. It has even less relation to science than ID usually does.

Step 1) Benevolent design!
Step 2) Whatever I want to be true must be true, for this is truly the best of all possible worlds!
Step 3) ???
Step 4) Profit!

This quote annoys me so much I'm sigging it. It's ... everything that's wrong with ID in a few easy sentences. Right up there with Dave saying that the designer knew that we'd need oil for the rising industrial species.

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 12 2007,21:04   

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What the hell is this?

   
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Are we condemned to Darwinian shackles of scarcity in a fight for survival in the modern jungle?

Or if there is evidence for Intelligent Design, could there actually be sufficient or even abundant energy to support such population growth?


You're right, it looks to me like DLH is saying that there will only be global scarcity of resources if we're Darwinists and we think there will be scarcities. On the other hand, if we all dismiss global warming and embrace ID, there somehow won't be any scarcities.

In other words, yes, it's typical bubbleheaded positive thinking shite you see from TV evangelists. Reality is whatever you wish it to be if you just have the 'right attitude'.

I'd wonder if DLH was a sockpuppet except that he's got posting priveleges. So he's real. UD sure isn't doing real well in getting smart people to write for them, I must say. :O

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 12 2007,21:52   

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I'd just like to point out that since we've reached the Blessed Page 777


And the Bathroom Wall just passed page 144, which was gross.

Henry

  
Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 12 2007,22:31   

"orange sunshine?"

Are you really that old?

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 12 2007,23:03   

Quote (Dr.GH @ Dec. 12 2007,22:31)
"orange sunshine?"

Are you really that old?

How old would I have to be?

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"Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 12 2007,23:24   

Ok hippies enough about your wild and wooly craaaaaaay days in the dorms.  back to the point.

The UD board is really lame without all of the brilliant and hilarious troll puppets.  This bit about the pope is just about completely stupid.  AFAICT It's not even worth suiting up another soldier marionette to go to work in the mine (mind).  If anyone is watching, can we please get another argument going about 'Just what in the hell are we supposed to replace materialism with?'  Because it is clear that, Other than "Jeeeeesus" most of these morons have never considered it.  And they should.  Damn makes me want to go get a new hotmail account right now.  MUST NOT....  GROWING WEAKER..... ARRRRRRRRRGH!!!!!!!onethousandonehundredelevenths!!!!

Ed did it just to end a sentence with a preposition.

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 12 2007,23:35   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Dec. 12 2007,23:24)
Ok hippies enough about your wild and wooly craaaaaaay days in the dorms.  back to the point.

The UD board is really lame without all of the brilliant and hilarious troll puppets.  This bit about the pope is just about completely stupid.  AFAICT It's not even worth suiting up another soldier marionette to go to work in the mine (mind).  If anyone is watching, can we please get another argument going about 'Just what in the hell are we supposed to replace materialism with?'  Because it is clear that, Other than "Jeeeeesus" most of these morons have never considered it.  And they should.  Damn makes me want to go get a new hotmail account right now.  MUST NOT....  GROWING WEAKER..... ARRRRRRRRRGH!!!!!!!onethousandonehundredelevenths!!!!

Ed did it just to end a sentence with a preposition.

Don't forget to roll / gray your IP address. PM me if you need help.

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 12 2007,23:49   

so far they have failed to catch four of them.  i think i must share an address with some of the other clowns or something.  but i'll keep it in mind, thanks

in other news i found some tard worth reeading.

it starts like this:  H'mmmmm.  Onlookers.  praxis.  ideologues secular sad.

then the jewel.  i nearly pooped on myself again.

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...a gun man who tried to shoot a parishioner in front of the congregation. The gun malfunctioned and she beat him off with her Bible — literally. Unfortunately, he simply withdrew...


now THAT sounds like a fekkin good church service.  God Damn sign me up.

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
djmullen



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 13 2007,04:02   

Ed Brayton tears BarristerA a new rectum over his recent post on the Colorado Christian on Christian Murders:
Small sample:    
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Now let's take this statement from Arrington:

Hitchens calls religion a "poison." Isn't it axiomatic that poison is bad and should be eradicated?

And reword it a bit:

Jerry Falwell says that liberals, gays, abortionists and the ACLU cause God to withdraw his protection from the US and thus allowed the terrorists to destroy the WTC. Isn't it axiomatic that those responsible for invoking the wrath of God on our nation must be eradicated?

Don't tangle with Ed, Barry.  You're not even in the same class.

Link

  
djmullen



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 13 2007,04:15   

More leads from Ed's blog:
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Lastly (for me, anyhow; I encourage anyone who reads this to do their own research on Youth With A Mission), DailyKos did a series of articles about YWAM's political connections back in 2006. Moreover, here's an article about connections between Ted Haggard and YWAM (perhaps this sort of thing is why Murray also shot up Haggard's former church?) and the charming story of YWAM member Paul Huberty who, according to the article (which links to the case documents):
...was convicted by officer members of consensual sodomy, fondling his genitals in a public area, indecent acts, and adultery, in violation of Articles 125, 133, and 134, Uniform Code of Military Justice, 10 USC §§ 925, 933, and 934. On February 11, 1997, the convening authority approved the sentence of dismissal, confinement for 6 months, and a reprimand, and the court below affirmed.
So what happened to Huberty after this conviction? Why, he became a YWAM Youth Pastor!
While in the Air Force Academy he married a girl who was in the youth group where he was part time youth pastor...maybe she was pregnant. He was courtmartialed in Germany and after serving 6 months in prison, he moved his family to Hawaii where he entered, get this, Youth With A Mission. He became a youth missionary and "served" in several places such as the Philipines while based in Hawaii...
And Huberty's last known whereabouts as of August 2006?

Colorado Springs, Colorado. Sound familiar? Did Huberty and Murray ever meet up? Hmmm. I don't know. Does anybody?

Your serve, BarristerA

  
Altabin



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 13 2007,06:55   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Dec. 13 2007,06:49)
so far they have failed to catch four of them.  i think i must share an address with some of the other clowns or something.  but i'll keep it in mind, thanks

in other news i found some tard worth reeading.

it starts like this:  H'mmmmm.  Onlookers.  praxis.  ideologues secular sad.

then the jewel.  i nearly pooped on myself again.

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...a gun man who tried to shoot a parishioner in front of the congregation. The gun malfunctioned and she beat him off with her Bible — literally. Unfortunately, he simply withdrew...


now THAT sounds like a fekkin good church service.  God Damn sign me up.

I fnorted over that too.

But, to give him some credit, kairosfocus for once said something intelligent:
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... the madman distills his notions out of ideas available in his environment. ...

That means that those who comment in public or serve as educators — and that includes on the Internet, folks — have a duty to be tempered, objective, fair, accurate and balanced.

Otherwise, we help to sow the little winds of hate and feed the tornadoes of murderous violence that stem from that hate.

It is as simple as that, and as painfully and personally telling as that. It’s not just Dennett or Pullman or Dawkins, it is us.


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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 13 2007,07:04   

After slapping down Batshit77's woo about how burning salt water at greater than 100% efficiency will solve our energy crisis, DLH calls for more ID research.  
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The key challenge no (sic) is to design cost effective solar fuels. Applying ID, what insights can understanding design in nature give to this challenge?

I'm really curious to hear about how the "insights" gained from an ID approach to say, photosynthesis ("Yep, god did it.") will give us new solar fuels (whatever those are). This is ID's chance to shine, for certain, and I'm sure that the super-duper double-secret labs are hard at work on this thorny problem right now. I hope they publish their breakthrough results soon!

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Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind
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As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.
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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 13 2007,07:19   

Gil seems to have a number of problems.
He says in the comments to his own "ID Medicine" thread, repeated in full here:
 
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Just for the entertainment value, I checked out the Panda response to my post. I seem to have a penchant for arousing their ire and vitriol, and I can explain why.

If my UD posts were as scientifically and logically vacuous as the Pandas claim, no response would be required, but they seem to have a passion for devoting both tomes and insults to refuting my arguments. I am perpetually labeled as being completely ignorant about science (even though empirically verifiable science is what I do every day for a living). Yet, whenever I post an incisive comment about the empirical, observational, mathematical, or computational problems with blind-watchmaker Darwinism, the Pandas go into a feeding frenzy.

I’ve struck a nerve. The personal insults and claims that I know nothing about science are very telling.

The thing is Gil, you said "whenever I post an incisive comment about the empirical, observational, mathematical, or computational problems with blind-watchmaker Darwinism" and yet the subject you posted on had nothing to do with "Darwinism" at all. The subject, for once, was about how ID can bring something positive to the table for once, A Practical Medical Application of ID Theory, nothing to do with "Darwinism" at all apart from perhaps to say "ID is better then"...

So you don't even understand that nobody was responding to your "empirical, observational, mathematical, or computational problems with blind-watchmaker Darwinism" at all, they are simply critiquing the positive argument (for once) that you've put forward for ID.

That Gil does not understand this is telling.

Gil, the only thing that will prove that you are not "scientifically and logically vacuous" is when there is a A Practical Medical Application of ID Theory. So don't give up the day job dropping checkers boards out of planes.

Gil, if your insight is right and important why don't you simply pop over to PT and say as much in the comments and answer the points that have been raised (start with the fact mutiple antibiotics  have been given for years in particular circumstances)?

Gil, wake me up when there is a patented practical medical application of ID theory. Perhaps Sal can help out?

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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Mike O'Risal



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 13 2007,07:38   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Dec. 13 2007,07:19)
I’ve struck a nerve. The personal insults and claims that I know nothing about science are very telling.

Yes, that nerve is called "the brain."  The personal insults and claims that you know nothing about science are very telling of the fact that you don't know anything about science yet make claims to appear as if you do, thus leading you to be personally insulted by those who actually know something about scientists and see you for what you are.

Hope this helps.

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Mike O'Risal



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 13 2007,07:40   

Sorry; that last quote was Gil whatsits and I was trying to say something about those who know science, not scientists.  I'll get the hang of this yet.   ???

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 13 2007,07:55   

Quote (djmullen @ Dec. 13 2007,05:02)
Don't tangle with Ed, Barry.  You're not even in the same class.

Link

Don't listen to him, Barry. Take on Ed! Get him, boy!


   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 13 2007,08:06   

If I were independently wealthy, I would pay a scientist to read UD full-time and write posts pointing out all the errors.

But I have to say, the community here does a damn good job at that already.

I also want to say thanks to those of you who email science bloggers alerting them to UD items in their field. There's nothing like watching an expert lay into a moron like Barry or Gil or Davetard. Those guys are unbelievable clowns. I will remember Davetard saying that he violates the Second Law of Thermodynamics every time he types a sentence until the day I die.

   
dhogaza



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 13 2007,08:12   

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even though empirically verifiable science is what I do every day for a living

Poor Gil doesn't understand that programming computers to implement solutions to solved problems is not doing "empirically verifiable science".

Not only does that include guiding things thrown out of airplanes, but  also implementing a checkers program using an exhaustive search of the set of all possible moves.

Someone should ask Gil why he hasn't written an equally successful chess  program :)

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 13 2007,08:13   

Do you think they'll ever figure out that the core activity of a scientific revolution is not blogging? It's using the new hypothesis to figure out more 'pathetic details' than the old one could explain.

   
guthrie



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 13 2007,08:39   

Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 13 2007,08:13)
Do you think they'll ever figure out that the core activity of a scientific revolution is not blogging? It's using the new hypothesis to figure out more 'pathetic details' than the old one could explain.

No
They are running away from "reality".  Doing something like that means actually engaging with "reality".

Ok, many individuals will manage to learn better, but probably not many of those on UD.  We shall see.

  
BopDiddy



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 13 2007,08:50   

Adding to the meta-conversation about sockpuppetry at UD and how DS et al prune and bonsai the the posts and participants, here's an interesting geeky post on the mechanics of making useful online communities.  Points to one article in particular that discusses the usefulness of nuking some trolls but keeping others, etc.

The bit I find interesting:
 
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It's the articulate trolls that you should be wary of ejecting, on this theory - they serve the hidden function of legitimizing less extreme disagreements. But you should not have so many articulate trolls that they begin arguing with each other, or begin to dominate conversations. If you have one person around who is the famous Guy Who Disagrees With Everything, anyone with a more reasonable, more moderate disagreement won't look like the sole nail sticking out.


Oh, and if-we-didn't-know-this-already, it seems UD is doing it wrong if they're actually trying to solve something and add some value to a given body of knowledge; but they're absolutely doing it right if they want to maintain company line.

This is all grain-of-salt wanking, of course, but still interesting to any shut-ins who live their lives online.

/who? me?

  
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 13 2007,09:08   

[quote=Albatrossity2,Dec. 13 2007,07:04][/quote]
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The key challenge no (sic) is to design cost effective solar fuels


I can just see the thought bubble above DT's head when he read this: "GODDAMN HIPPIE!" :angry:

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 13 2007,09:14   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Dec. 12 2007,23:24)
If anyone is watching, can we please get another argument going about 'Just what in the hell are we supposed to replace materialism with?'  Because it is clear that, Other than "Jeeeeesus" most of these morons have never considered it.

Ummmm... that's because that's their real answer. DUH!

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