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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2009,12:02   

Conan Doyle's design detector was not as trustworthy as Sherlock's:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cottingley_fairies

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/doyle.htm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail....es.html

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2009,12:17   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Oct. 12 2009,12:02)
Conan Doyle's design detector was not as trustworthy as Sherlock's:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cottingley_fairies

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/doyle.htm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail....es.html

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'I have convinced myself that there is overwhelming evidence for the fairies.'

Honestly, Doyle said that! How very apt......

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2009,12:46   

The photographs of garden fairies couldn't possibly have been faked by mere girls when adult ment couldn't figure out how it might have been done.

Garden fairies are poster children for ID.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2009,13:15   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Oct. 12 2009,12:46)
The photographs of garden fairies couldn't possibly have been faked by mere girls when adult ment couldn't figure out how it might have been done.

Garden fairies are poster children for ID.

That's closer to the truth than you think, over at UD and Vox Day's Tardfarm they muse about this unseen world of the supernatural, where angels and demons influence men's lives. It's all there, just beyond the corner of your eye, impervious to 'materialistic inquiry'.



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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2009,13:32   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Oct. 12 2009,14:15)
Quote (midwifetoad @ Oct. 12 2009,12:46)
The photographs of garden fairies couldn't possibly have been faked by mere girls when adult ment couldn't figure out how it might have been done.

Garden fairies are poster children for ID.

That's closer to the truth than you think, over at UD and Vox Day's Tardfarm they muse about this unseen world of the supernatural, where angels and demons influence men's lives. It's all there, just beyond the corner of your eye, impervious to 'materialistic inquiry'.


ever since my 20th birfday party i have had them not in the corner of my eye but dead center.  goddamned mushrooms

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olegt



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2009,14:30   

Even Telic Thoughts has gone bonkers lately.  Bilbo, the token lefty (and a 9/11 truther), started a recent thread with these opening comments:  
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Alternative to Dembski's Theodicy?

I've been skimming through William Dembski's The End of Christianity. I was pleased to find out that he also attributes the design of natural evil to Satan. As he correctly points out, C. S. Lewis suggested this idea in Mere Christianity and The Problem of Pain. And I'm also pleased to see that he, too, thinks that predation and animal pain is evil, along with Lewis.


He also started a thread on Satanic design.   :O

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khan



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2009,15:01   

Quote (olegt @ Oct. 12 2009,15:30)
Even Telic Thoughts has gone bonkers lately.  Bilbo, the token lefty (and a 9/11 truther), started a recent thread with these opening comments:    
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Alternative to Dembski's Theodicy?

I've been skimming through William Dembski's The End of Christianity. I was pleased to find out that he also attributes the design of natural evil to Satan. As he correctly points out, C. S. Lewis suggested this idea in Mere Christianity and The Problem of Pain. And I'm also pleased to see that he, too, thinks that predation and animal pain is evil, along with Lewis.


He also started a thread on Satanic design.   :O

That could be read as thinking Lewis is evil.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2009,15:02   

Quote (sparc @ Oct. 11 2009,04:19)
 
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10 October 2009
The 4,000
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This is UD’s 4,000th post.  Congrats and a hardy well done and thank you to all of our posters!
Osteonectin rightly asks which posts they are counting exactly    
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Including those that had been 404ed?
BTW, if my counting is correct this is the 5328th response at ATBC (I guess without those that had to be moved to the bathroom wall).

That "404" comment has been removed. I think at least one other went with it. The only one left now is of the "First Comment!!" variety.

  
Turncoat



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2009,15:51   

I've added a Bad Science and Bad Theology comment to the Sidewiki for UD. (I can revise it, and suggestions are welcome.)

Google Sidewiki allows you to augment any webpage with comments in a sidebar. I believe that it will catch on. Installation is quick and easy.

The ordering of comments in the sidebar depends on votes on their usefulness. Please install Sidewiki and vote.

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2009,15:51   

Is there a medical term for the amount of delusion Clive is labouring under?
 
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The only “tactic” being employed is in the anti-ID crowd deeming ID religious when it isn’t.

Yep. Clive says it, it is so.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2009,15:59   

Quote (steve_h @ Oct. 12 2009,16:02)
Quote (sparc @ Oct. 11 2009,04:19)
   
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10 October 2009
The 4,000
Barry Arrington

This is UD’s 4,000th post.  Congrats and a hardy well done and thank you to all of our posters!
Osteonectin rightly asks which posts they are counting exactly    
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Including those that had been 404ed?
BTW, if my counting is correct this is the 5328th response at ATBC (I guess without those that had to be moved to the bathroom wall).

That "404" comment has been removed. I think at least one other went with it. The only one left now is of the "First Comment!!" variety.

But the comment that remains says, "woo hoo!!"

With the emphasis upon "woo."

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Maya



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2009,16:11   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Oct. 12 2009,15:51)
Is there a medical term for the amount of delusion Clive is labouring under?

Is "shitload" a medical term?

ETA: Hello, Bathroom Wall!

  
Lowell



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2009,16:20   

Denyse O'Bleary easily-discoverable factual error number 10,287:
 
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Basically, after he stopped doing serious science and unwisely became a “professor of the public understanding of science”, due to the unwise beneficence of a Microsoft billionaire, Dawkins committed himself to more and more to completely ridiculous positions: The selfish gene and the meme are part of the story.

Aside from everything else, that chronology is totally wrong. Dawkins published The Selfish Gene, which introduced the term meme, in 1976. He was appointed Simonyi Professor for the Public Understanding of Science nearly 20 years later, in 1995. So, no, Denyse. He advocated those "ridiculous positions" long before he took the Oxford position. Not after.

And while we're at it, why was it "unwise" of him to take that position, anyway? It seems to have worked out pretty well for him.

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rhmc



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2009,16:36   

Quote (Maya @ Oct. 12 2009,17:11)
Is "shitload" a medical term?

it's definitely a southern medical term.

and you owe me a new keyboard.  :)

  
dvunkannon



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2009,16:50   

Perhaps AussieID will take up Nakashima's advice:
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If you wander over to that other site, the antipodes of this one, which dare not speak its name, and ask how many commited evolutionists hold that Darwin should be revered, or his doctrine treated as sounder than any since, you will hear cricket chirping in response.


or crickets

or flatulence

Come on down, AussieID!

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didymos



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2009,17:17   

Quote (Lowell @ Oct. 12 2009,14:20)
Denyse O'Bleary easily-discoverable factual error number 10,287:
 
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Basically, after he stopped doing serious science and unwisely became a “professor of the public understanding of science”, due to the unwise beneficence of a Microsoft billionaire, Dawkins committed himself to more and more to completely ridiculous positions: The selfish gene and the meme are part of the story.

Aside from everything else, that chronology is totally wrong. Dawkins published The Selfish Gene, which introduced the term meme, in 1976. He was appointed Simonyi Professor for the Public Understanding of Science nearly 20 years later, in 1995. So, no, Denyse. He advocated those "ridiculous positions" long before he took the Oxford position. Not after.

And while we're at it, why was it "unwise" of him to take that position, anyway? It seems to have worked out pretty well for him.

God damn it!  Where's the link?  :p

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2009,17:20   

Quote (Lowell @ Oct. 12 2009,16:20)
And while we're at it, why was it "unwise" of him to take that position, anyway? It seems to have worked out pretty well for him.

For DO'L, success in the Darwinian, materialistic world is actually failure, and failure is actually success.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2009,17:27   

http://www.uncommondescent.com/atheism....l-doses

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olegt



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2009,19:50   

Denyse did not read The Selfish Gene but she know why it's wrong:
 
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I wouldn’t be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. It is an artifact of a science popularizer’s imagination. Same for the “meme.”

If you told me that there was a gene that predicts likelihood of developing ovarian cancer, do you imagine I would not be interested?

This is so funny.  You just can't make it up.  Bwahahaha!

ETA: Signature worthy.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2009,20:04   

Quote (keiths @ Oct. 08 2009,12:35)
Ahhh, the tard monsoon has come at last.  Come out and dance in the rain, folks!

Barry just banned one of his own:
 
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Gods iPod
10/08/2009
11:59 am

SNIP. Long-time poster God’s iPod is no longer with us.


GI had complained that the thread was making ID supporters look like uneducated dolts.

I had to literally turn away from that thread after only 30 comments, the odor of Barry's piss was so strong. It must have taken quite a bit of time for him to wipe the monsoon of spittle off his monitor after every comment.

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All women build up a resistance [to male condescension]. Apparently, ID did not predict that. -Kristine 4-19-11
F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2009,22:15   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Oct. 12 2009,16:51)
Is there a medical term for the amount of delusion Clive is labouring under?
 
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The only “tactic” being employed is in the anti-ID crowd deeming ID religious when it isn’t.

Yep. Clive says it, it is so.

Yes.

The technical term is "Terminally stupid".

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2009,23:36   

JoeTard outs himself as YEC?


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10/10/2009
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I have always looked at it like this:

If the theory of evolution is “true” then the Bible is “false”.

And if the Bible is “false” then so is Christianity.



tard

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2009,23:37   

same tardpile

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10/11/2009
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I think that all Christians should read the bible and ask themself: how does Jesus think about evolution? I mean, did he really considered his sacrifice, his death, his life to be the equivalent of the life of a distant monkey called Adam? If Adam and Eve were only animals, then there was no original sin. No original sin, no need to be save…


ALL SCIENCE SO FAR

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 13 2009,09:08   

Ubermoron tribune7:
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Our poor are richer than the rich in a lot of countries using metrics such as appliances, automobiles, caloric intake, clothing etc.

Hahaha. Our poor have more appliances that your rich, and and... they are fatter too!

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 13 2009,09:14   

Please excuse this brief interlude.



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niwrad: The ID argument from thermodynamics

ARRRGGHHH!!!!!!!




We appreciate your forbearance during this short interruption.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 13 2009,09:16   

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niwrad: Given the above scientific scenario, evolutionists elaborated a flawed argument that sounds something like this: while, according to SLOT, the overall entropy of a closed system doesn’t decrease, however there can be entropy downwards fluctuations somewhere in the system. In short, while entropy doesn’t decrease globally, it can decrease locally.

Actually, it is an accurate argument against those who claim the Laws of Thermodynamics preclude evolution.

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niwrad: Whenever and wherever only CSI can produce organization.

Well, that's the claim. But no one has been able to provide an unambiguous measure of CSI.

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niwrad: But the entropic order is not true organization and as such cannot account for the complexity of organisms, which are highly organized systems... ID theory says that organization is different from the simple energy decrease in entropy because the former implies CSI while the latter doesn’t.

Then it can't represent an "ID argument from thermodynamics."

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niwrad: Hence the question becomes: can the information related to an energy flux from the Sun be complex and specified? We can admit that this energy flux is complex, but of the kind of complexity of a long random sequence.

Complex like flipping coins.

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niwrad: Lacking specification in no way the energy flux from the Sun conveys CSI to the Earth.

If the Sun's energy were diffused everywhere equally, it would not be capable of work. But like flipping a coin and getting all heads, the Sun's rays are directional, lined up and coming from a single direction. And Dembski, the inventor of CSI, has said that flipping a coin and getting all heads is highly specified.

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Dembski: Any actual particular sequence of heads and tails on 100 fair flips of a fair coin has small probability, but if it is easily describable with a short description ('all heads' or 'alternating heads and tails', for instance) then it is also specified.

So the Sun's rays are complex and specified, i.e. CSI.


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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 13 2009,09:36   

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niwrad: In a sense, the evolutionist "Sun argument" means that CSI can be paid by simple energy. But energy cannot create CSI. For absurd, whether energy provided CSI, for example, software houses could think of not to pay expensive computer programmers, rather they would buy power plants; publishers wouldn’t pay writers, they would buy power supplies instead, and so on.

Funny thing about that. Computer programmers ingest other organisms that get their energy, directly or indirectly, from the Sun. Yes, even Cheetos® {mostly} come from Solar energy.

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Enriched Corn Meal (Corn Meal, Ferrous Sulfate, Niacin, Thiamin Monoitrate, Riboflavin, and Frolic Acid), Vegetable Oil (Contains one or more of the following: corn, soybean, or sunflower oil), Whey, Salt, Cheddar Cheese, (Cultured Milk, Salt, Enzymes). Partially Hydrogenated Soybean Oil, Maltodextrin, Disodium Phosphate, Sour Cream (Cultured Cream, Nonfat Milk), Artificial Flavor, Monosodium Glutmate, Lactic Acid, Artificial Colors (Including Yellow 6), and Citric Acid. Contains Milk Ingredients.

(Yellow 6 is a synthetic derived from coal tar. Soylent Green is derived from organisms that get their energy from the Sun.)

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 13 2009,09:52   

Quote (olegt @ Oct. 12 2009,17:50)
Denyse did not read The Selfish Gene but she know why it's wrong:
   
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I wouldn’t be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. It is an artifact of a science popularizer’s imagination. Same for the “meme.”

If you told me that there was a gene that predicts likelihood of developing ovarian cancer, do you imagine I would not be interested?

This is so funny.  You just can't make it up.  Bwahahaha!

ETA: Signature worthy.

Jesus Christ, what the hell is wrong with that woman?  Denyse has already been called out for this:

Nakashima is ever-polite:
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Mrs O’Leary,
The Selfish Gene is not about a putative gene for selfishness. It was written long before we had all that hype about ‘the gene for this’ and ‘the gene for that’.


And of course, Dawkins actually goes to considerable trouble to explain exactly what he means when he uses language in the book like "a gene for such-and-such", precisely in order to avoid the typical pop-science-style misunderstandings Nakashima alludes to.

Doomsday Smith is annoyed:
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Denyse, as Nakashima-sama has noted, it’s not about “a” Selfish Gene. That’s merely a book title, a book which makes the case for selection operating primarily on genes rather than on organisms or groups of organisms. The “selfishness” is entirely metaphorical. Dawkins discusses exactly how misleading the title can be when someone such as yourself takes it literally (though you take it even more literally than most, I have to say). Here’s a bit from the 30th anniversary edition introduction, in case you still doubt:
“The best way to explain the title is by locating the emphasis. Emphasize ’selfish’ and you will think the book is about selfishness, whereas, if anything, it devotes more attention to altruism.”
The book is about genes in general, not any specific gene. But then if you’d read it, you’d know that already.


ETA:  It IS sig-worthy.  My sig, to be exact....

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I wouldn't be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. -- Denyse O'Leary, professional moron
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didymos



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 13 2009,10:15   

According to Dembski, now there's "Big Environment" too.

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I wouldn't be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. -- Denyse O'Leary, professional moron
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 13 2009,10:44   

Quote (Zachriel @ Oct. 13 2009,10:36)
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niwrad: In a sense, the evolutionist "Sun argument" means that CSI can be paid by simple energy. But energy cannot create CSI. For absurd, whether energy provided CSI, for example, software houses could think of not to pay expensive computer programmers, rather they would buy power plants; publishers wouldn’t pay writers, they would buy power supplies instead, and so on.

Funny thing about that. Computer programmers ingest other organisms that get their energy, directly or indirectly, from the Sun. Yes, even Cheetos® {mostly} come from Solar energy.

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Enriched Corn Meal (Corn Meal, Ferrous Sulfate, Niacin, Thiamin Monoitrate, Riboflavin, and Frolic Acid), Vegetable Oil (Contains one or more of the following: corn, soybean, or sunflower oil), Whey, Salt, Cheddar Cheese, (Cultured Milk, Salt, Enzymes). Partially Hydrogenated Soybean Oil, Maltodextrin, Disodium Phosphate, Sour Cream (Cultured Cream, Nonfat Milk), Artificial Flavor, Monosodium Glutmate, Lactic Acid, Artificial Colors (Including Yellow 6), and Citric Acid. Contains Milk Ingredients.

(Yellow 6 is a synthetic derived from coal tar. Soylent Green is derived from organisms that get their energy from the Sun.)

Does the package actually say "Frolic Acid"? That and MSG is a dangerous combination, but would explain a lot.

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