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Mr_Christopher Posts: 1238 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2008,09:28    I call this the battle of the Michaels.  In this corner we have Michael Shermer, in that corner we have Michael Medved.  Only one will come out on top! YOU be the judge. Two Yahoos Claim They've Found Big Foot -------------- Uncommon Descent is a moral cesspool, a festering intellectual ghetto that intoxicates and degrades its inhabitants - Stephen Matheson

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2008,11:15    I see that the big press party is scheduled for tomorrow - Could we have a whole new level of the stupid for a Special Edition Friday Meltdown? Stay Tuned! -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Mr_Christopher Posts: 1238 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2008,11:56    J-Dog, he kinda looks like you.  Do you have any relatives in Georgia? -------------- Uncommon Descent is a moral cesspool, a festering intellectual ghetto that intoxicates and degrades its inhabitants - Stephen Matheson

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2008,13:12    Uncle Bill????? -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

ppb Posts: 325 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2008,14:52    Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Aug. 14 2008,12:56) J-Dog, he kinda looks like you.  Do you have any relatives in Georgia? Actually, he looks a lot like your avatar Mr_C.  Is Bigfoot an atheist?   -------------- "[A scientific theory] describes Nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And it agrees fully with experiment. So I hope you can accept Nature as She is - absurd." - Richard P. Feynman

Mr_Christopher Posts: 1238 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2008,15:14    He does kinda look like me...Uncle Jesse, is that you? -------------- Uncommon Descent is a moral cesspool, a festering intellectual ghetto that intoxicates and degrades its inhabitants - Stephen Matheson

EyeNoU Posts: 115 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2008,16:40    Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Aug. 14 2008,11:56) J-Dog, he kinda looks like you.  Do you have any relatives in Georgia? What's with the garden hose? Are they giving it a posthumous enema?

Mr_Christopher Posts: 1238 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2008,09:01    Well today is the big day for bigfoot watchers and id theorists (same level of tard).   I'm sitting on pins and needles waiting for the press conference in just a few short hours.  My butt hurts. -------------- Uncommon Descent is a moral cesspool, a festering intellectual ghetto that intoxicates and degrades its inhabitants - Stephen Matheson

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2008,09:31    Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Aug. 15 2008,09:01) Well today is the big day for bigfoot watchers and id theorists (same level of tard).........My butt hurts. Arden must be attending your watch party. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Mr_Christopher Posts: 1238 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2008,09:49    Ahem, actually I think HIS butt is hurting for different reasons. -------------- Uncommon Descent is a moral cesspool, a festering intellectual ghetto that intoxicates and degrades its inhabitants - Stephen Matheson

Steverino Posts: 411 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2008,11:25    Well!......Well!........Anyone, an update from the press conf??? I'm only asking because Amelia Earhart keep bugging me. -------------- - Born right the first time. - Asking questions is NOT the same as providing answers. - It's all fun and games until the flying monkeys show up!

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2008,12:04    I can tell from the quality of the "Bigfoot Finder's" Website that this is gonna be a lot of fun. From their website: "Here are some of the vital statistics on the "Bigfoot" body: *The creature is seven feet seven inches tall. *It weighs over five hundred pounds. *The creature looks like it is part human and part ape-like. *It is male. *It has reddish hair and blackish-grey eyes. *It has two arms and two legs, and five fingers on each hand and five toes on each foot. *The feet are flat and similar to human feet. *Its footprint is sixteen and three-quarters inches long and five and three-quarters inches wide at  the heel. *From the palm of the hand to the tip of the middle finger, its hands are eleven and three-quarters inches  long and six and one-quarter inches wide. *The creatures walk upright. (Several of them were sighted on the same day that the body was found.) *The teeth are more human-like than ape-like. *DNA tests are currently being done and the current DNA and photo evidence will be presented at the press  conference on Friday, August 15th. The creature was found by Matthew Whitton (AKA Gary Parker) and Rick Dyer (residents of Georgia) in the woods in northern Georgia. (The exact location is being kept secret to protect the creatures.) Matthew Whitton and Rick Dyer will be flying in from Georgia to be at the press conference. Also present at the press conference will be Tom Biscardi, CEO of Searching for Bigfoot, Inc. Whitton is a local, Georgia, police officer, who is currently on administrative leave after being wounded in the course of duty pursuing an alleged felon. Dyer is a former correctional officer. Whitton and Dyer are co-owners of bigfoottracker.com and Bigfoot Global LLC., a company that offers Bigfoot expeditions. Whitton and Dyer are working with Bigfoot hunter, Tom Biscardi, and Biscardi's Searching for Bigfoot, Inc., to present and conduct the scientific study of the evidence and information on this body. " source:  http://www.searchingforbigfoot.com/ -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

dhogaza Posts: 525 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2008,12:36    Looks badly photoshopped, the mask (um "head") is an unsaturated greyish color, while the fur is saturated and dark.  Different lighting. They've gotten themselves a fair amount of press attention, something tells me they're having a great laughing hoopla over it.

dhogaza Posts: 525 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2008,12:39    Ahh, maybe publicity for the Shopping For Bigfoot online store is involved ...

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2008,12:48    Quote (dhogaza @ Aug. 15 2008,12:39) Ahh, maybe publicity for the Shopping For Bigfoot online store is involved ... They had better be careful if they are going to be Messin' with Sasquatch. EDIT:  SRSLY -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2008,12:55    Quote (carlsonjok @ Aug. 15 2008,07:31)   Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Aug. 15 2008,09:01) Well today is the big day for bigfoot watchers and id theorists (same level of tard).........My butt hurts. Arden must be attending your watch party. What? Sorry, I wasn't paying attention. I was, uh, out for a while. Don't worry, I just brought your wife back. Her butt's probably more or less okay, but I don't make any promises. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2008,12:56    More analysis here.  They've even found the company the suit was bought from. -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2008,12:59    Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Aug. 15 2008,07:49) Ahem, actually I think HIS butt is hurting for different reasons. Actually, that picture looks like Mr Christopher's mother after a bad night. Which is to say, any night. Especially last night. Yeesh. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

dhogaza Posts: 525 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2008,13:19    AP's lead paragraph on the story is great: Quote A hairy corpse crammed in a Georgia freezer is Bigfoot, say two men who have been tracking the legendary creature, when they aren't busy looking for leprechauns and the Loch Ness monster... Treats them with the seriousness they deserve, I'd say.

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2008,13:40    You Disbelievers! Just wait until Discovery Institute Fellow World Renowned Bigfoot Believer Michael Medved valdates their claim. Then we'll see if the shoe will be on the other hand... -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Lowell Posts: 101 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2008,14:16    The press conference is on CNN right now. They promise DNA results and more pictures. (No body yet, surprise, suprise.) -------------- The resurrection of Jesus Christ is one of the most well documented events of antiquity. Barry Arrington, Jan 17, 2012.

jeannot Posts: 1201 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2008,14:22    If this is a joke (it has to be), then those guys have guts. Edit:  they admittedly released a fake video, but they still claim having the corpse in their freezer. :D Who is doing the DNA analysis, the bigfoot hunters themselves? Someone reported on wiki says a DNA analysis would be useless because there is not referenced bigfoot to compare, but this argument is bogus.

Nomad Posts: 311 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2008,15:34    The DNA angle intrigues me.  They can't do it themselves, I mean I don't know anything about DNA analysis but I'm under the impression you can't just stick some DNA into a USB port and scan it into your computer like you can cheap porn (or so I'm told).  They'd have to send it to a lab, and the lab would be only too aware of the attention that they'd get from being involved in such a high profile thing (like it or not, it's getting attention). If I try to put myself into the con artist mindset, there has to be a hitch with the DNA angle somewhere.  Either they're going to really analyze something, but then never show the real report and just type up a fake document and show that, or else fabricate the report and skip the whole analysis thing in the first place.  I find option B more likely, because then no one can find the lab that did it and get a copy of the genuine report. I dunno.. I feel that it's kind of like pro wrestling.  You know it's fake, but you want to see what they're going to do next.  We have a crappy picture of a dark mass in a box with what looks like a halloween costume head resting on top (with some additional apparent guts thrown on top for no apparent reason).  We have a standard low quality video image.  We have a high profile publicity campaign.  What next? For the next step I vote for "Bigfoot is my baby's daddy".

Lowell Posts: 101 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2008,15:59    Quote (Nomad @ Aug. 15 2008,15:34) If I try to put myself into the con artist mindset, there has to be a hitch with the DNA angle somewhere.  Either they're going to really analyze something, but then never show the real report and just type up a fake document and show that, or else fabricate the report and skip the whole analysis thing in the first place.  I find option B more likely, because then no one can find the lab that did it and get a copy of the genuine report. Regarding the DNA results, I've read two conflicting reports so far. (I didn't have the patience to watch more than a few minutes of the press conference.) A poster on the board linked to earlier says:   Quote DNA test results... 3 samples... 1 came back inconclusive 1 came back human 1 came back opossum They took the sample from the intestines! How stupid is that? http://s2.excoboard.com/exco....page=10 Another blogger reports:   Quote TEST results: First test: Inconclusive Second test: Human DNA Third test (taken from the creature’s intestines): Possum DNA http://ghosttheory.com/?p=131 It just keeps getting stupider and stupider. -------------- The resurrection of Jesus Christ is one of the most well documented events of antiquity. Barry Arrington, Jan 17, 2012.

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2008,16:07    hey, everyone likes to eat possum. wait.  never mind. -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2008,16:10    Quote 1 came back opossum What if it's only playing dead?

jeannot Posts: 1201 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2008,17:43    The only way for them to gain some credibility is to send samples to at least two independent labs. You cannot come at a press conference and release a DNA sequence saying "this is bigfoot". My bet is that no lab will be see any material. Edit: as expected, this is a hoax. Nothing to see here.

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2008,18:02    well it seems to me that DNA of Bigfoot would be recognizable particularly if it is a homind.  there are enough things sequenced for COI out there that you'd know what the hell it was with a small chunk of mtDNA.   If it is a hominid then presumably it would fall out between humans and chimps.  of course if DNA similarities are the consequence of common design then what would be the hypothesis? -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Assassinator Posts: 479 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2008,18:23    Watching The Situation Room on CNN at the minute, apperantly they're going to broadcast something about it in a few minutes. Really, and you thought CNN could sink no longer with those UFO folks at Larry King a while ago.

jeannot Posts: 1201 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2008,18:29    Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Aug. 15 2008,18:02) well it seems to me that DNA of Bigfoot would be recognizable particularly if it is a homind.  there are enough things sequenced for COI out there that you'd know what the hell it was with a small chunk of mtDNA.   If it is a hominid then presumably it would fall out between humans and chimps.  of course if DNA similarities are the consequence of common design then what would be the hypothesis? You could still provide a fake DNA sequence. However you can't fake a DNA sample.

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