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Soapy Sam



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(Permalink) Posted: June 16 2014,07:47   

Quote (Henry J @ June 15 2014,20:22)
 
Quote (Soapy Sam @ June 14 2014,11:17)
More science please! (yes, I know, I could write an OP).

E = m c squared.

Does that help?

I posted a *hilarious* riff on this which seems to have got completely mangled by a board glitch. Hilarious. I'm still wiping my eyes.

I found myself replying to a photo in the 'Wildlife' thread. Most peculiar.

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: June 16 2014,21:04   

Quote (Soapy Sam @ June 16 2014,07:47)
Quote (Henry J @ June 15 2014,20:22)
 
Quote (Soapy Sam @ June 14 2014,11:17)
More science please! (yes, I know, I could write an OP).

E = m c squared.

Does that help?

I posted a *hilarious* riff on this which seems to have got completely mangled by a board glitch. Hilarious. I'm still wiping my eyes.

I found myself replying to a photo in the 'Wildlife' thread. Most peculiar.

OK, trying out a reply here; I will see where I end up.

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: June 16 2014,21:47   

Quote (Soapy Sam @ June 16 2014,06:47)
Quote (Henry J @ June 15 2014,20:22)
   
Quote (Soapy Sam @ June 14 2014,11:17)
More science please! (yes, I know, I could write an OP).

E = m c squared.

Does that help?

I posted a *hilarious* riff on this which seems to have got completely mangled by a board glitch. Hilarious. I'm still wiping my eyes.

I found myself replying to a photo in the 'Wildlife' thread. Most peculiar.

You mean better than the "Liberal claptrap" reply that I got from somebody here? :D

  
Zachriel



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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2014,08:54   

Quote (Soapy Sam @ June 16 2014,07:47)
Quote (Henry J @ June 15 2014,20:22)
 
Quote (Soapy Sam @ June 14 2014,11:17)
More science please! (yes, I know, I could write an OP).

E = m c squared.

Does that help?

I posted a *hilarious* riff on this which seems to have got completely mangled by a board glitch. Hilarious. I'm still wiping my eyes.

I found myself replying to a photo in the 'Wildlife' thread. Most peculiar.

Yeah, didn't Fermat have a similar problem?

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Amadan



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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2014,18:58   

Quote (Zachriel @ June 17 2014,14:54)
Quote (Soapy Sam @ June 16 2014,07:47)
Quote (Henry J @ June 15 2014,20:22)
   
Quote (Soapy Sam @ June 14 2014,11:17)
More science please! (yes, I know, I could write an OP).

E = m c squared.

Does that help?

I posted a *hilarious* riff on this which seems to have got completely mangled by a board glitch. Hilarious. I'm still wiping my eyes.

I found myself replying to a photo in the 'Wildlife' thread. Most peculiar.

Yeah, didn't Fermat have a similar problem?

It was only marginally important.

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Zachriel



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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2014,20:11   

Quote (Amadan @ June 17 2014,18:58)
Quote (Zachriel @ June 17 2014,14:54)
 
Quote (Soapy Sam @ June 16 2014,07:47)
 
Quote (Henry J @ June 15 2014,20:22)
     
Quote (Soapy Sam @ June 14 2014,11:17)
More science please! (yes, I know, I could write an OP).

E = m c squared.

Does that help?

I posted a *hilarious* riff on this which seems to have got completely mangled by a board glitch. Hilarious. I'm still wiping my eyes.

I found myself replying to a photo in the 'Wildlife' thread. Most peculiar.

Yeah, didn't Fermat have a similar problem?

It was only marginally important.



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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2014,20:44   

Quote (Zachriel @ June 17 2014,18:11)
Quote (Amadan @ June 17 2014,18:58)
 
Quote (Zachriel @ June 17 2014,14:54)
 
Quote (Soapy Sam @ June 16 2014,07:47)
   
Quote (Henry J @ June 15 2014,20:22)
     
Quote (Soapy Sam @ June 14 2014,11:17)
More science please! (yes, I know, I could write an OP).

E = m c squared.

Does that help?

I posted a *hilarious* riff on this which seems to have got completely mangled by a board glitch. Hilarious. I'm still wiping my eyes.

I found myself replying to a photo in the 'Wildlife' thread. Most peculiar.

Yeah, didn't Fermat have a similar problem?

It was only marginally important.


Screen, meet coffee.

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Kantian Naturalist



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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2014,14:59   

For the curious, I've finally nailed down exactly what's wrong about design theory here.

  
olegt



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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2014,15:27   

Quote (Kantian Naturalist @ July 30 2014,14:59)
For the curious, I've finally nailed down exactly what's wrong about design theory here.

No way!

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Glen Davidson



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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2015,13:13   

Sal is writing at TSZ, so lying at TSZ.  I'm posting mainly to save posts on the internet, since I don't know what's going to happen.  I don't really suppose that I'm staying within guidelines, since pretending that the liar is anything like an honest interrogator is impossible.  So, here's this post, where I respond to the single "quote" he makes from me that I never wrote at all:

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stcordova

Glen Davidson:

douchebag Crocker’s

So say you who maybe doesn’t even know her or her students.She’s cared greatly for them and council girls who were sexually harassed and troubled.

All the time I’ve know her, I’ve never seen a hint of cowardice.She full well knew she could be shown the door for what she had to say in class.That’s not the behavior of a coward.

So, in this discussion you have labeled me as not caring about the truth, you’ve called one of my friends who is a caring teacher and honorable scientist a douchebag and coward.It doesn’t reassure me institutions packed with attitudes like yours are impartial and fair and will pursue due process.Even if I and Dr. Crocker and Dr. Sternberg are mistaken about origins, I don’t think it deserves the vitriol you’re pouring out.


Oh please, why can’t you even keep quotes straight?

I didn’t write “douchebag Crocker,” you despicable misrepresenting pseudoscientist. Which I suspect you’d know if you cared about the truth rather than about trashing me with or without the facts.

If it weren’t the only quote in your entire post you could just say “mistake.” Here, it’s your main “basis” for your bigoted attack above, and it’s an absolutely false attribution.

Meanwhile, you’ve failed to give us any reason to suppose that you are consistent about crackpots taking over science, or consistent with the evidence, or at all concerned about maintaining integrity in science. Indeed, you continue to oppose science integrity, while whining that I note your lack of concern for the truth.

Now this falsely attributed “quote” more or less makes my point. Yet again.

Glen Davidson


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Glen Davidson



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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2015,13:14   

And this one:

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keiths:
Caroline Crocker lies through her teeth, as I discovered in 2008:

While she is declaring her innocence, images of her slides are being displayed on the screen. Check out what Crocker means by “impartial scientific evidence”:

Slide 1
Slide 2
Slide 3
Slide 4
Slide 5
Slide 6

If this is impartial scientific evidence, I’d love to see what biased creationist propaganda looks like.

Sal, do you think Crocker’s egregious dishonesty should be tolerated in a university classroom?


Yes, that’s why I never bother arguing about whether she was fired for her creationist BS or not.

She should have been, whether or not she was.

Glen Davidson


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Occam's Aftershave



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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2015,14:43   

Quote (Glen Davidson @ May 04 2015,13:13)
Sal is writing at TSZ, so lying at TSZ.  I'm posting mainly to save posts on the internet, since I don't know what's going to happen.  I don't really suppose that I'm staying within guidelines, since pretending that the liar is anything like an honest interrogator is impossible.  So, here's this post, where I respond to the single "quote" he makes from me that I never wrote at all:

There's a good reason Salvador Cordova has the sobriquet "the human shit stain".   :angry:

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic."
"Jews and Christians are Muslims."

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(Permalink) Posted: May 10 2015,20:24   

Mung has violated moderation rules by marking up someone else's post. When it was changed he began crying that TSZ broke its own rule of not modifying others posts.

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Occam's Aftershave



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(Permalink) Posted: May 10 2015,21:28   

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 10 2015,20:24)
Mung has violated moderation rules by marking up someone else's post. When it was changed he began crying that TSZ broke its own rule of not modifying others posts.

Then to top it off he went whining over at UD and lying about what happened at TSZ and why.

UD is perfect for clowns like Mung.

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic."
"Jews and Christians are Muslims."

- Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

  
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: May 10 2015,22:48   

Cross posted from UD and TSZ:

Mung:
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Meanwhile, over at TSZ, a comment of mine was deleted. The justification, if you can call it that…

Just so we are clear: You inserted a comment into one of MY posts. I assumed it was you. I asked whoever it was to please refrain from doing so again. I did so because I don’t want my posts misunderstood.

Lizzie reinforced and generalized my request and your tampering was removed. Her aim was to restore my post to it’s original state in response to my objection. She has my (retroactive) permission to do so, and certainly would have known that at the time.

You have no standing in the matter. Just as one has no ownership of graffiti one sprays on others’ property, and no basis from which to complain when it is removed, you have no ownership of content you insert into others’ posts – and no basis from which to complain when a post is restored to it’s original form and your tampering removed.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: May 10 2015,23:43   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ May 10 2015,22:48)
Cross posted from UD and TSZ:

Mung:
 
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Meanwhile, over at TSZ, a comment of mine was deleted. The justification, if you can call it that…

Just so we are clear: You inserted a comment into one of MY posts. I assumed it was you. I asked whoever it was to please refrain from doing so again. I did so because I don’t want my posts misunderstood.

Lizzie reinforced and generalized my request and your tampering was removed. Her aim was to restore my post to it’s original state in response to my objection. She has my (retroactive) permission to do so, and certainly would have known that at the time.

You have no standing in the matter. Just as one has no ownership of graffiti one sprays on others’ property, and no basis from which to complain when it is removed, you have no ownership of content you insert into others’ posts – and no basis from which to complain when a post is restored to it’s original form and your tampering removed.

Mung is a shitstain. Contemptible.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 11 2015,11:10   

Winston Ewert showed up at at TSZ, not to debate his paper, but to non-discuss the disappearance of A. Smith at UD. He says he has no knowledge of or opinion about the disappearance.

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The whole truth



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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2015,21:34   

In case anyone is reading the Moderation Issues thread at TSZ and is curious, below is a copy of my "second post a second comment, in which Creodont2 did what s/he was is banned for not saying he wouldn’t do, having done it several times and been warned, namely posting personal info."


Creodont2 on June 27, 2015 at 1:50 pm said:
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
Elizabeth,

“I beg to differ, creodont. You know perfectly well the narrow range of material that we redact, and I make that clear as well. Nothing is hidden or deleted except for that narrow range of material, and this is done transparently – the rules are there for all to clear, as are the redactions.”

Don’t you often claim that you don’t lie?

“But I will clarify something else: the reason for that narrow range of exceptions is that I do think those are morally reprehensible – so if you have a post redacted, then, yes, you can consider that I personally regard what you posted as morally reprehensible. Namely: posting porn, malware, or revealing the RL identities of someone known to us by their internet name.”

Oh come on, ALL of your rules and decisions are based on what you (and/or the other ‘admins’) feel are either morally acceptable, unacceptable, or “reprehensible”. And what makes you think that kairosfocus’s real name (Gordon Elliott Mullings) is not his “internet name” and is not “known to us”? How and where do you think that I found his real name?

Isn’t it interesting (and revealing) that neither you nor anyone else complains about commenters posting stcordova’s real name (Sal, Salvador, or Salvador Cordova) and News’s real name (O’Leary, Denyse, or Denyse O’Leary) or other real names that are not a match to the “internet name” that some people use here or at some, most, or all other sites? The ONLY reason that you and some others flip out about my using gordo’s real name is because gordo makes a HUGE, RIDICULOUS STINK about so-called ‘outing’ even though HE makes his real name (and a lot of other information about him and his family) EASY to see. Why the hell do you cater to that lunatic? He doesn’t even comment here, and never will because he’s a lying, sniveling coward.

“And it is because you will not give me the assurance that you will keep to those rules that your own posts are moderated.”

So, in addition to never posting some of my comments even though they broke no so-called rules, all of my comments are NON-transparently, morally pre-judged by you and/or other ‘admins’, and if my comments (or parts of them) are morally judged to be tolerable they will be posted eventually. How nice.

Tell me about the non-hidden transparency of this:

“Protected: Admin Discussion
This content is password protected. To view it please enter your password below:

Password:

This post is password protected. Enter the password to view any comments.”

After all, you said: “At TSZ we do not hide or delete posts – everything is transparent.” and “Nothing is hidden…”

By the way, my “internet name” here is Creodont2, not creodont. Since you have a ‘rule’ about using the correct name, shouldn’t you set a good example?

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Occam's Aftershave



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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2015,23:27   

Quote (The whole truth @ June 27 2015,21:34)
So, in addition to never posting some of my comments even though they broke no so-called rules, all of my comments are NON-transparently, morally pre-judged by you and/or other ‘admins’, and if my comments (or parts of them) are morally judged to be tolerable they will be posted eventually. How nice.

So basically you behaved like a dick, wouldn't agree to not behave like a dick, and are now whining because your posts are moderated to ensure you don't behave like a dick again.

That about cover it?

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic."
"Jews and Christians are Muslims."

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The whole truth



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2015,04:39   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ June 27 2015,21:27)
Quote (The whole truth @ June 27 2015,21:34)
So, in addition to never posting some of my comments even though they broke no so-called rules, all of my comments are NON-transparently, morally pre-judged by you and/or other ‘admins’, and if my comments (or parts of them) are morally judged to be tolerable they will be posted eventually. How nice.

So basically you behaved like a dick, wouldn't agree to not behave like a dick, and are now whining because your posts are moderated to ensure you don't behave like a dick again.

That about cover it?

You sound like banny arrington.

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But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2015,10:27   

Quote (The whole truth @ June 28 2015,04:39)
 
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ June 27 2015,21:27)
 
Quote (The whole truth @ June 27 2015,21:34)
So, in addition to never posting some of my comments even though they broke no so-called rules, all of my comments are NON-transparently, morally pre-judged by you and/or other ‘admins’, and if my comments (or parts of them) are morally judged to be tolerable they will be posted eventually. How nice.

So basically you behaved like a dick, wouldn't agree to not behave like a dick, and are now whining because your posts are moderated to ensure you don't behave like a dick again.

That about cover it?

You sound like banny arrington.

You sound like Joe Gallien.

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic."
"Jews and Christians are Muslims."

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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2015,11:13   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ June 28 2015,10:27)
You sound like Joe Gallien.

<mode="Spartacus">I am Joe Gallien.</mode> :)

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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2015,13:08   

Quote (The whole truth @ June 28 2015,04:39)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ June 27 2015,21:27)
Quote (The whole truth @ June 27 2015,21:34)
So, in addition to never posting some of my comments even though they broke no so-called rules, all of my comments are NON-transparently, morally pre-judged by you and/or other ‘admins’, and if my comments (or parts of them) are morally judged to be tolerable they will be posted eventually. How nice.

So basically you behaved like a dick, wouldn't agree to not behave like a dick, and are now whining because your posts are moderated to ensure you don't behave like a dick again.

That about cover it?

You sound like banny arrington.

I don't know what your issue is. Atbc as little in the way of rules and allows the use of real names. In spite of this, the only real name I use is Gordon's. That is because I believe that he waives the right to anonimity when he falsely accuses someone of an illegal act.

But when I post at TSZ I don't use his name. Elizabeth's site, Rlizabeth's rules. It is common curtesy. If you disagree with the rules, either don't comment there or complain about them. But intentionally breaking the rules is just childish. Get some help.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 14 2015,12:40   

Sal was over at TSZ saying how stupid Larry Moran is, so I challenged him to take his crackpottery to Larry's site.
And bless his heart, he did.

http://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2015....5133532

http://theskepticalzone.com/wp....t-73887

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The whole truth



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(Permalink) Posted: July 14 2015,19:44   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ June 28 2015,11:08)
     
Quote (The whole truth @ June 28 2015,04:39)
     
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ June 27 2015,21:27)
       
Quote (The whole truth @ June 27 2015,21:34)
So, in addition to never posting some of my comments even though they broke no so-called rules, all of my comments are NON-transparently, morally pre-judged by you and/or other ‘admins’, and if my comments (or parts of them) are morally judged to be tolerable they will be posted eventually. How nice.

So basically you behaved like a dick, wouldn't agree to not behave like a dick, and are now whining because your posts are moderated to ensure you don't behave like a dick again.

That about cover it?

You sound like banny arrington.

I don't know what your issue is. Atbc as little in the way of rules and allows the use of real names. In spite of this, the only real name I use is Gordon's. That is because I believe that he waives the right to anonimity when he falsely accuses someone of an illegal act.

But when I post at TSZ I don't use his name. Elizabeth's site, Rlizabeth's rules. It is common curtesy. If you disagree with the rules, either don't comment there or complain about them. But intentionally breaking the rules is just childish. Get some help.


Yet Elizabeth Liddle and others refer to and address people by names other than than their usernames at TSZ, including their real names, even though EL has stated that only usernames can be used. gordon mullings doesn't even comment at TSZ (and never will because of his cowardice) and he has no username there. EL caters only to gordo when it comes to so-called 'outing'.

Here is a copy of a comment I submitted at TSZ on the 13th, that was not posted, even though 'nothing is deleted at TSZ'. Some other comments of mine (and from other people) have also been blocked or deleted:

Elizabeth, you said:

"...we do not delete posts at all (apart from the narrow range of redactions specified in the rules, and even then, we don’t delete the post, just specific content, and if that’s the whole post, then the post itself remains, with the word in place of the redacted material."

You say that you don't lie, Elizabeth, yet you're lying. And yeah, I'm blunt about it because you ARE lying. You often pretend to be naive about various things, including what goes on here at TSZ (in the open or behind the scenes) but you are the owner and administrator of this site and as such you have no legitimate excuse for such pretending, or for lying about what goes on here.

Oh, and is "Mathgrrl" the username that Patrick uses here? Don't you say that only the username a commenter uses here is allowed, and that anything else is 'outing'? Why isn't the name "Mathgrrl" replaced by the word "redacted" in stcordova's re-posted comment and why hasn't stcordova been warned about 'outing'? Also, why is keiths allowed to re-post stcordova's "Dear Mathgrrl" comment without redacting the "Mathgrrl" part and why is keiths or anyone else allowed to post stcordova's name as "Sal", or "Salvador"? stcordova doesn't go by "Sal" or "Salvador" here.

You and others got all bent out of shape when I've said "gordo" or "gordon mullings"  (and banned me and deleted/blocked some of my comments for not caving in to your two-faced application of your so-called 'rules') yet you and others do not stick to your so-called rules. Take a look at stcordova's most recent thread. Look at all the commenters addressing him as "Sal". Even YOU do it, Elizabeth, even though his username here is "stcordova", not "Sal". And as I've said before, the ONLY reason that you don't enforce your so-called 'outing rule' when it comes to stcordova is because stcordova doesn't whine and make a huge stink about the posting of his name "Sal" or "Salvador", and you do cater to gordo's huge, ridiculous, whining stinks about 'outing' even though he doesn't even comment here and has no username here.

Unless and until gordon mullings actually does comment here (which will never happen because of his sniveling cowardice) and has a username here he doesn't even come under your so-called 'outing rule' and therfor anyone and everyone should be able to use his real name or any other name they want to when referring to him, especially since his real name is known to us by his own doing.

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EL recently made a comment regarding "known to us". If you actually give a shit about principles maybe you can find it and other comments she has made that show her two-faced-ness when it comes to her so-called 'rules'.

My "issue" is that I don't like two-faced, lying bullshit, from anyone. Apparently, you and some others have conveniently adjustable principles.

And you might have noticed at TSZ that I'm not the only one who has a problem with EL's inconsistent, contradictory application/enforcement of her so-called 'rules'. There is plenty of bitching going on over there about it, for good reasons.

Edited by The whole truth on July 14 2015,17:47

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(Permalink) Posted: July 14 2015,20:47   

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So, in addition to never posting some of my comments even though they broke no so-called rules, all of my comments are NON-transparently, morally pre-judged by you and/or other ‘admins’, and if my comments (or parts of them) are morally judged to be tolerable they will be posted eventually. How nice.

So basically you behaved like a dick, wouldn't agree to not behave like a dick, and are now whining because your posts are moderated to ensure you don't behave like a dick again.

That about cover it?

You sound like banny arrington.

I don't know what your issue is. Atbc as little in the way of rules and allows the use of real names. In spite of this, the only real name I use is Gordon's. That is because I believe that he waives the right to anonimity when he falsely accuses someone of an illegal act.

But when I post at TSZ I don't use his name. Elizabeth's site, Rlizabeth's rules. It is common curtesy. If you disagree with the rules, either don't comment there or complain about them. But intentionally breaking the rules is just childish. Get some help.


Yet Elizabeth Liddle and others refer to and address people by names other than than their usernames at TSZ, including their real names, even though EL has stated that only usernames can be used. gordon mullings doesn't even comment at TSZ (and never will because of his cowardice) and he has no username there. EL caters only to gordo when it comes to so-called 'outing'.

Here is a copy of a comment I submitted at TSZ on the 13th, that was not posted, even though 'nothing is deleted at TSZ'. Some other comments of mine (and from other people) have also been blocked or deleted:

Elizabeth, you said:

"...we do not delete posts at all (apart from the narrow range of redactions specified in the rules, and even then, we don’t delete the post, just specific content, and if that’s the whole post, then the post itself remains, with the word in place of the redacted material."

You say that you don't lie, Elizabeth, yet you're lying. And yeah, I'm blunt about it because you ARE lying. You often pretend to be naive about various things, including what goes on here at TSZ (in the open or behind the scenes) but you are the owner and administrator of this site and as such you have no legitimate excuse for such pretending, or for lying about what goes on here.

Oh, and is "Mathgrrl" the username that Patrick uses here? Don't you say that only the username a commenter uses here is allowed, and that anything else is 'outing'? Why isn't the name "Mathgrrl" replaced by the word "redacted" in stcordova's re-posted comment and why hasn't stcordova been warned about 'outing'? Also, why is keiths allowed to re-post stcordova's "Dear Mathgrrl" comment without redacting the "Mathgrrl" part and why is keiths or anyone else allowed to post stcordova's name as "Sal", or "Salvador"? stcordova doesn't go by "Sal" or "Salvador" here.

You and others got all bent out of shape when I've said "gordo" or "gordon mullings"  (and banned me and deleted/blocked some of my comments for not caving in to your two-faced application of your so-called 'rules') yet you and others do not stick to your so-called rules. Take a look at stcordova's most recent thread. Look at all the commenters addressing him as "Sal". Even YOU do it, Elizabeth, even though his username here is "stcordova", not "Sal". And as I've said before, the ONLY reason that you don't enforce your so-called 'outing rule' when it comes to stcordova is because stcordova doesn't whine and make a huge stink about the posting of his name "Sal" or "Salvador", and you do cater to gordo's huge, ridiculous, whining stinks about 'outing' even though he doesn't even comment here and has no username here.

Unless and until gordon mullings actually does comment here (which will never happen because of his sniveling cowardice) and has a username here he doesn't even come under your so-called 'outing rule' and therfor anyone and everyone should be able to use his real name or any other name they want to when referring to him, especially since his real name is known to us by his own doing.

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EL recently made a comment regarding "known to us". If you actually give a shit about principles maybe you can find it and other comments she has made that show her two-faced-ness when it comes to her so-called 'rules'.

My "issue" is that I don't like two-faced, lying bullshit, from anyone. Apparently, you and some others have conveniently adjustable principles.

And you might have noticed at TSZ that I'm not the only one who has a problem with EL's inconsistent, contradictory application/enforcement of her so-called 'rules'. There is plenty of bitching going on over there about it, for good reasons.

The only others that are really complaining about moderation at TSZ are Mung and William. If you want to be lumped in with them, go ahead.

Liz never said that you can only be logged in under one name (I have two). She just said that you can't intentionally use someone's real name if they haven't provided it. Even though Gordo is a big bag of shit, he doesn't use his real name in his comments.

Yes, Liz and others use Sal's real name. So what? His username is his real name. And he often ends his comments with "Sal". In short, he is not trying to post anonymously.

You really have to get over this. You were banned at TSZ because you were the only person in recent times who has been as dickish as Joe. I hope you like the company.

  
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So, in addition to never posting some of my comments even though they broke no so-called rules, all of my comments are NON-transparently, morally pre-judged by you and/or other ‘admins’, and if my comments (or parts of them) are morally judged to be tolerable they will be posted eventually. How nice.

So basically you behaved like a dick, wouldn't agree to not behave like a dick, and are now whining because your posts are moderated to ensure you don't behave like a dick again.

That about cover it?

You sound like banny arrington.

I don't know what your issue is. Atbc as little in the way of rules and allows the use of real names. In spite of this, the only real name I use is Gordon's. That is because I believe that he waives the right to anonimity when he falsely accuses someone of an illegal act.

But when I post at TSZ I don't use his name. Elizabeth's site, Rlizabeth's rules. It is common curtesy. If you disagree with the rules, either don't comment there or complain about them. But intentionally breaking the rules is just childish. Get some help.


Yet Elizabeth Liddle and others refer to and address people by names other than than their usernames at TSZ, including their real names, even though EL has stated that only usernames can be used. gordon mullings doesn't even comment at TSZ (and never will because of his cowardice) and he has no username there. EL caters only to gordo when it comes to so-called 'outing'.

Here is a copy of a comment I submitted at TSZ on the 13th, that was not posted, even though 'nothing is deleted at TSZ'. Some other comments of mine (and from other people) have also been blocked or deleted:

Elizabeth, you said:

"...we do not delete posts at all (apart from the narrow range of redactions specified in the rules, and even then, we don’t delete the post, just specific content, and if that’s the whole post, then the post itself remains, with the word in place of the redacted material."

You say that you don't lie, Elizabeth, yet you're lying. And yeah, I'm blunt about it because you ARE lying. You often pretend to be naive about various things, including what goes on here at TSZ (in the open or behind the scenes) but you are the owner and administrator of this site and as such you have no legitimate excuse for such pretending, or for lying about what goes on here.

Oh, and is "Mathgrrl" the username that Patrick uses here? Don't you say that only the username a commenter uses here is allowed, and that anything else is 'outing'? Why isn't the name "Mathgrrl" replaced by the word "redacted" in stcordova's re-posted comment and why hasn't stcordova been warned about 'outing'? Also, why is keiths allowed to re-post stcordova's "Dear Mathgrrl" comment without redacting the "Mathgrrl" part and why is keiths or anyone else allowed to post stcordova's name as "Sal", or "Salvador"? stcordova doesn't go by "Sal" or "Salvador" here.

You and others got all bent out of shape when I've said "gordo" or "gordon mullings"  (and banned me and deleted/blocked some of my comments for not caving in to your two-faced application of your so-called 'rules') yet you and others do not stick to your so-called rules. Take a look at stcordova's most recent thread. Look at all the commenters addressing him as "Sal". Even YOU do it, Elizabeth, even though his username here is "stcordova", not "Sal". And as I've said before, the ONLY reason that you don't enforce your so-called 'outing rule' when it comes to stcordova is because stcordova doesn't whine and make a huge stink about the posting of his name "Sal" or "Salvador", and you do cater to gordo's huge, ridiculous, whining stinks about 'outing' even though he doesn't even comment here and has no username here.

Unless and until gordon mullings actually does comment here (which will never happen because of his sniveling cowardice) and has a username here he doesn't even come under your so-called 'outing rule' and therfor anyone and everyone should be able to use his real name or any other name they want to when referring to him, especially since his real name is known to us by his own doing.

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EL recently made a comment regarding "known to us". If you actually give a shit about principles maybe you can find it and other comments she has made that show her two-faced-ness when it comes to her so-called 'rules'.

My "issue" is that I don't like two-faced, lying bullshit, from anyone. Apparently, you and some others have conveniently adjustable principles.

And you might have noticed at TSZ that I'm not the only one who has a problem with EL's inconsistent, contradictory application/enforcement of her so-called 'rules'. There is plenty of bitching going on over there about it, for good reasons.

The only others that are really complaining about moderation at TSZ are Mung and William. If you want to be lumped in with them, go ahead.

Liz never said that you can only be logged in under one name (I have two). She just said that you can't intentionally use someone's real name if they haven't provided it. Even though Gordo is a big bag of shit, he doesn't use his real name in his comments.

Yes, Liz and others use Sal's real name. So what? His username is his real name. And he often ends his comments with "Sal". In short, he is not trying to post anonymously.

You really have to get over this. You were banned at TSZ because you were the only person in recent times who has been as dickish as Joe. I hope you like the company.

"The only others that are really complaining about moderation at TSZ are Mung and William."

You obviously haven't read much at TSZ lately.

"Liz never said that you can only be logged in under one name (I have two)."

Irrelevant.

"She just said that you can't intentionally use someone's real name if they haven't provided it. Even though Gordo is a big bag of shit, he doesn't use his real name in his comments."

She didn't actually say that, but she has said other things that pertain to her so-called 'rules'. gordo doesn't even comment at TSZ. He uses his real name and other usernames (e.g. Gordon, Gordon Mullings, Gordon E. Mullings, kairosfocus, Dictionary, Gem of TKI) at other sites. Elizabeth Liddle focuses only on the username gordo uses at UD and caters to gordo's whining, lying, falsely accusatory bullshit about 'outing', and he spews his whining, lying, falsely accusatory bullshit on UD, his blogs, and on his Yahoo group page, NOT on TSZ. And it isn't as though his real name is hard to find on his blogs ("always linked") and elsewhere. His real name is certainly "known to us", because of his own doing.

WHY should anyone at TSZ be limited to referring to gordo only by his UD username, especially since he doesn't even comment at TSZ? WHY should anyone at TSZ cater to gordo's whining, lying, falsely accusatory bullshit on UD, his blogs, and Yahoo groups? gordo doesn't participate at TSZ so WHY should he be catered to there, while others who do participate there are treated differently? So-called 'rules' should apply equally to everyone, and they should make sense, especially on a site where the site owner (EL) and others strongly complain about the censorship, favoritism, blockings, deletions, bannings, and inconsistent, contradictory application/enforcement of the so-called 'rules' at UD and elsewhere.  

"Yes, Liz and others use Sal's real name. So what? His username is his real name. And he often ends his comments with "Sal". In short, he is not trying to post anonymously."

Irrelevant to my points. They are EL's so-called 'rules', not Sal's, and she has made statements pertaining to her so-called 'rules' that she should stick to. She and her moderators should apply/enforce her so-called 'rules' equally, and should not cater to one whiny, lying, falsely accusatory loon who doesn't even comment at TSZ and never will.

By the way, you're confirming what I've said about EL ignoring her so-called 'rules' and catering to gordo because he whines and makes a huge stink about 'outing', whereas Sal doesn't.

"You really have to get over this. You were banned at TSZ because you were the only person in recent times who has been as dickish as Joe. I hope you like the company."

You've got a lot to learn.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 15 2015,04:40   

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You were banned at TSZ because you were the only person in recent times who has been as dickish as Joe.


This is not strictly correct. The member Creodont2 is suspended pending an undertaking to avoid "outing" pseudonymous blog denizens in comments. If Creodont2 were to give such an undertaking, the account would be reinstated.

Lizzie has explained here:  
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It is part of the founding philosophy of TSZ that no-one “deserves” to be banned. People are banned for one reason only: to ensure that we don’t get posts containing the very narrow range of material that is not allowed here, namely porn/malware (or links to); and material that gives the RL identity of people known to us by their internet names, without their permission (also known, I understand, as “doxxing”).

There are a couple of grey areas regarding that last one but I think I have made the boundaries clear, and will try to make them clearer still:

Firstly: If someone has made it clear who they are in RL, e.g. by linking to their publications, that is fine, and it is still fine for others to acknowledge the identity if their publications are being discussed. However, it is not OK to use that person’s RL name in personal attacks, which are against the game-rules anyway (“assume the other person is posting in good faith”; “address the argument, not the person”) but are not in themselves things I would ever ban anyone for. Such posts just get moved to guano, just as pieces get moved off a chess board. But if in breaking those rules, you invoke someone’s personal ID, that is not on, the reason being that I don’t want such personal attacks here to come up in a google search of that person’s RL name, as such things happen, as I know to my cost.

Secondly, if the person in here is not a regular poster here, but is nonetheless effectively party to the conversations we often have by loud-hailer as it were, at another site, then membership protections apply. In any case, in the case of kairosfocus, I think he is, or was, a registered member here, and you easily can’t tell in any case. So if in doubt, assume membership, either actual or virtual, and don’t link identity with internet handle. In other words, do not post the RL identities of people with whom our personal relations, as it were, are in their internet identities.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2015,10:40   

joey g was 'permanently' banned at TSZ. joey has been banned at UD more than once. joey now comments as Frankie at TSZ and as Virgil Cain at UD. joey now has "contributor status" at TSZ, which means he can post an "OP".

http://theskepticalzone.com/wp....omments  

Elizabeth Liddle puts on her naivete' act, and also says that she appreciates Frankie's (joey's) contributions.

http://theskepticalzone.com/wp....omments

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Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2015,16:07   

Allowing Joe G to post does more to discredit ID than a hundred posts in favor of evolution.

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