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Sir_Toejam

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 09 2007,11:35   

...btw, Neal....

first you stopped using blatant profanity, then you stopped using all caps....

we're wearing you down.

Join us...

you know you want to.

We're the future.

you want to be cool, do you?

all your friends are doing it.

David Stanton

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 09 2007,11:35   

Neal,

You have been asked repeatedly to provide some evidence for your claims.  You have not even attempoted to do so.  Until you do the charge of "unsupported claims" is completely appropriate.

By the way, no matter what you claim are unsuppoprted claims by others, so what?  You aren't familiar with the literature so you don't even know what the claims are, let alone whether they are unsupported or not.  If some people claim things that you feel are unsupported, so what?  Why do you care?  What are you going to do about it?  Why can't you let people decide for themselves what the evidence tells them?  Why do you think they should believe you if you are ignorant of the evidence?  Why do you think that anyone should believe what you say without evidence when you demand that the beliefs of others be constrained by evidence?

And just for the record, none of your ravings have anything to to do with the topic of this thread.  You can hardly claim censorship considering the courtesy that has been extended to you here.

Neal

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 09 2007,11:35   

"Posted by Sir_Toejam on September 8, 2007 8:39 PM (e)

   As long as you continue to defend an outmoded philosophical position

but, gee, Neal, if it was entirely philosophical, how could it have produced testable predictions, that were, in fact, tested, and the results of which published in thousands of journal articles that have then contributed to the very advancements I was mentioning?"




Neal's response:


You (as I have suggested before) are a BONEHEAD!!!!!!.

The "thousands of journal articles" ALL rely on the friggin masses of unsubstantiated ASSERTIONS that the macro-evolutionary philosophists have had the unmitigated (until now) leverage to fg FORCE THEIR BELOVED PHILOSOPHICAL WISHFUL THINKING DOWN THE NAIVE THROATS OF THE VERY ONES THAT BY YOUR FIAT DECLARATION HAVE HAD TO SUPPORT YOUR VASTLY UNSUBSTANTIATED CLAIMS REGARDING THE ISSUES AT HAND (you dk!!!!!!) You are both (in my opinion) unwilling and unable to face the truth regarding these most totally and vastly (even beyond human imagination) uncomprehensible (in anybody in this lifetime) CAPABILITY TO WITH THE EVIDENCE AVAILABLE IN OUR LIMITED SPHERE OF CONCIOUSNESS, TO BE ABLE TO DESCRIBE LET ALONE DEMONSTRATE MOLECULES TO ECOSYSTEMS, AND CLAIM THE ANSWERS TO THESE KINDS OF REDICULOUSLY COMPLEX QUESTIONS. Shut the fuck up and do some real science you flagrant assholes.   OK mr editor, dont let this post go through. it would be typical of your stupid position regarding the issues at hand you dks)

Neal

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 09 2007,11:35   

"Posted by Sir_Toejam on September 8, 2007 8:42 PM (e)

   But a man driving a well (and i know you a_s are going to hate this comment)”designed vehicle” is going to not only get from point a to point b much more rapidly, but also potentially, get to point “fg” Z by getting through all the various other points of reference much more efficiently and effectively!!!!!!! You stuts)

do you think routing your pleasure centers through the sewer lines an efficient design, there, Chuckles?"


Neal's response:


So witty and within human "convention" right on!!!!!!
(In some ignorant bastards minds) congratulations.  YOu and those like you will continue to rely on the momentum established over the years (based on vastly unsubstantiated assertions claimed from the macro-e philosophical assertions that, until now, have had the opportunity to without anykind of resistance force down the throats of those unsuspecting individuals that have to fund your bullshit)
You ABSOLUTELY CANNOT SHOW ANY SIGNIFICANT EVIDENCE THROUGH REAL SCIENTIFIC PROCEDURES THAT NATURAL CHEMICAL PROPERTIES IN THE SPATIO TEMPORAL PHYSIO REALITIES THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITIES TO SCIENTIFICALLY DESCRIBE AND CONFIRM THROUGH EXPERIMENTATION FROM OBSERVATION, GIVES ANY SIGNIFICANT CREDIBLE EVIDENCE THAT SOMETHING (AND YOU KNOW WHAT THE "F" I AM TALKING ABOUT) THAT MIGHT BE DESCRIBED AS MACRO-EVOLUTION, HAS ANY CREDIBLE SUPPORT, LET ALONE PROVEN (WHAT WOULD NEED TO BE HUGELY VAST PATHWAYS TO FRUITION) EVIDENCE TO STAKE IT'S CLAIMS. (you dumbas_f___.

Richard Simons

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 09 2007,11:35   

My initial reaction whenever I see a post with large sections written in upper case and with exclamation marks spattered liberally through it is 'Oh no. Another frothing loony on the rampage.' If I bother to read them I seldom find any reason to change my assessment.

From Neal's posts I get the impression of a person who is extremely annoyed about something (probably not primarily about evolution), and a person who is ignorant about evolution but who assumes that people who have made a career of studying it are just as ignorant as he is.

Neal, if you feel this is unjustified I suggest instead of posting another incoherent rant you go for a long walk somewhere peaceful. Take an hour or two to decide exactly what you are trying to say (including the evidence that supports your position) and how best to put it across. If you want to convince people you need to come across as a reasonable person, not as a screaming ignoramus who has fried his brain.

Sir_Toejam

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 09 2007,11:35   

<quote>FORCE THEIR BELOVED PHILOSOPHICAL WISHFUL THINKING DOWN THE NAIVE THROATS OF THE VERY ONES THAT BY YOUR FIAT DECLARATION HAVE HAD</quote>

awww.  we're back to <b>**ALL CAPS!!!!!**</b> again.

still workin' on that aneurysm for us there, Neal?

c'mon, boy!  you can do it!

pop a vein and win yourself a Darwin Award!

Sir_Toejam

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 09 2007,11:35   

<quote>Ignorance often times follows it’s own train of thought until it can no longer do so!!!!!!!</quote>

how do you explain yourself, then?

seems you're still chuggin' along, waiting to pop a vein, with nothing but a trainwreck substituting for a coherent though process.

at what point do you reach that wall where you "can no longer do so" (minus exclamations)?

when you start taking your meds again?

David Stanton

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 09 2007,11:35   

Neal wrote:

"...look at the FACTS at hand..."

Love to Neal.  What are they?  Put up or shut up.  All of your posts are incoherent personal attacks with no substance whatsoever.  They are not concerned with the topic of this thread and they should have all been deleted immediately.  You have presented no FACTS whatsoever.  Grow up.  Stop using caps.  Stop using exclamation marks.  Stop using profanity.  Who do you think you will convince this way?  When yoo are eventually banned from this site you will no doubt blame it on someone else.

jeannot



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 09 2007,13:26   

Who's that "Neal". Is he a parody?

He could bring some fun here.

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 09 2007,22:21   

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We’ve had a few questions come up about Boggs, and why we refer to tasty Miller Lites as Boggs. Well my friends, open your ears and I’ll pour in a tale.

I heard the legendary story over my car radio as I was heading down I-5 to work about a year ago, listening to Mitch in the Morning on 950 KJR, as usual. For some reason or another, Mitch was gone that day so Steve Sandmeyer was hosting the show, and former Mariners and Yankees pitcher Jeff Nelson was sitting in as his sidekick.

Sandmeyer was killing some time by making small talk about baseball and about Nelly’s career and exploits as a major leaguer. boggschicken.jpg The conversation turned to some of the funniest things Nelly had seen in his career when Sandy asked something like “who was the best with the ladies out of everyone you were around in baseball?” Nelson said that it was tough to say for sure, but that he figured it was probably Andre Dawson, the former Expos, Cubs, Red Sox, and Marlins slugger.

The two shared a laugh about the Hawk’s game, and then Sandmeyer stumbled upon the most compelling question ever articulated in an interview: “who would you say drank the most beer out of everyone you ever played with?” The following colloquy sheds some light on one of drinking’s biggest stars and on one of the greatest drinking feats of all time.

Sandy: Who would you say drank the most beer out of everyone you ever played with?

Nelson: Easy, Wade Boggs…..easy

Sandy: (laughing) Really!? Wade Boggs?

Nelson: Oh, yeah, without a doubt. I’ve never seen anyone drink as much beer as he did in my life:

Sandy: (laughing) Get outta here, alright, give me an example, like how much did he drink?

Nelson: Oh, I’d say, on a typical road trip, east coast to west coast [Nelly played with Boggs on the Yankees], say a road game to Seattle……Wade would drink anywhere between 50 and 60 beers.

Sandy: NO WAY!! 50 or 60 beers. That is impossible.

Nelson: No, I know…I know how crazy that sounds, and I wouldn’t believe it myself unless I saw him do it…..numerous times. And he drank nothing but Miller Lite.

Sandy: How in the hell did he have time to drink that many beers. For God’s sake, how many times did he have to go to the bathroom?

Nelson: I’m not kidding you Steve. Seriously. Wade was the kind of guy who was always the first one at the club house. wade_boggs_yankees.jpgSo he’d get to the clubhouse, and he’d bring a six pack with him. He’d be there drinking a beer when someone showed up, and as we were all packing our stuff up out of our lockers and getting our bags ready for the trip, Wade would sit there and drink that whole six pack.

Now, at the time, we were flying out of New Jersey, so it was somewhat of a drive from Yankee stadium to the airport in New Jersey. Wade would drink another couple of beers on the bus to the airport. At the time, we were flying this older airplane, it couldn’t make it across the country without refueling, and it wasn’t the fastest airplane in the sky. So we would stop in North Dakota or something. Wade would drink about a half rack between New Jersey and North Dakota, and it would take about a half-hour to an hour to refuel once we got there, so he’d have a few more beers while we were grounded in North Dakota.

Once we got back up in the air, Wade would drink another 10, 11, 12 beers on the way out to the west coast. The whole flight from coast to coast ususally took us well over 7 hours. We’d touch down at Sea-Tac, hop on the bus headed to the Kingdome, and Wade would have another beer or two on the bus. Then, all of us would get to the Kingdome and unpack our bags and sit around and BS with eachother, and Wade would have a beer in his hand the entire time. He was always one of the last people to leave the club house too. So I’d say that all in all, he drank over 50 beers on the trip, and this wasn’t just an isolated incident, he did that almost every time.

Sandy: Unbelievable. That’s absolutely unbelieveable.

Nelson: Yeah, I know, I’m not kidding though, let’s call up somebody and they’ll tell you man, they’ll tell you I’m not lying.

Sandy: Alright, who should we call up. Let’s take a commercial break, and then we’ll call up somebody and see if we can’t get to the bottom of this….This is absolutely amazing.

[commercial break: When the commercial end, Paul Sorrento, a former Mariner and Devil Ray, and Boggs’s and Nelly’s former teammate, is on the phone]

Nelly: Hey Paul, good to hear from you man, I haven’t talked to you in a while. boggscelebration.jpg

Sorrento: Yeah, what’s it been like, two, three years?

Nelly: Yeah. Hey, Paul, just to clarify now, I didn’t speak to you over the commercial break, and I haven’t talked to you about anything since we last talked a few years ago right?

Sorrento: Yeah, right.

Nelly: Alright Paul, we’ve been talking about Wade Boggs up here today in Seattle.

Sorrento: (laughing) Yeah, ole Wade huh.

Nelly: Yeah, alright Paul, I need you to answer one question for me, truthfully now….How many beers would Wade Boggs drink on an east coast to west coast road trip?

Sorrento: Oh, jeez, (exhaling like a flat tire) I don’t know, like 70.

Nelly, Sandberg, Sorrento, Hank: (Rolling on the ground laughing)

So there you have it, that’s the wonderful tale of Wade Boggs’ incredible drinking feats. So one day when a few of us at tasty booze were hanging around crushing some ice cold Miller Lites, and after I told them the story of Wade Boggs, we decided from then on that we would call a Miller Lite a Boggs in honor of the man who drank ‘em the best.


http://tastybooze.com/2007/04/the-origin-of-boggs/

   
hooligans



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 09 2007,22:30   

Neal is Dembski releasing all of his pent up anger. Wouldn't you be angry if every time you opened your mouth you made of fool of yourself?

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 09 2007,23:14   

MikeGene says "not so fast! I'm not as smart as you thought."

http://telicthoughts.com/why-i-am-not-a-critic-2/

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2007,09:22   

Too funny not to share.

There's a new chick tract out.

P.S.  Be sure to click through to read the whole thing.

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“Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas?

Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2007,20:32   

I generally find sigs annoying, but if I wanted one it'd be hard to find a quote better than the one I just saw on comedy central for the movie where the rappers go to college:

"How'd I fail Women's Studies? I love bitches!"

   
Stephen Elliott



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,10:37   

Quote (Alan Fox @ Sep. 09 2007,11:02)
Just watched South Africa vs Samoa. Great running game.

On current form England don't stand a chance against the Springboks, (or the All Blacks or NZ either).

I got to watch Argentina play Georgia last night. Good game and Georgia was quite impressive (particularly in the first half), didn't even know that Georgia played international rugby.

Does anyone else get the impression that the rugby World cup is starting to look like the early days of the football version? ie: Each competition seems to get larger and more competitive.

England v South Africa soon. That match is going to show up any English weakness (or, more likely, all of them). Personally I also think (is it ke I am agreeing with?) that a Southern hemisphere team will win the competition. However, I live in hope.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,11:11   

From the link Steve Story put up in response to someone saying ID can't really be science because it doesn't have mechanisms:

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The mechanisms are being identified right now by biologists in academia and private practice.


WATERLOO!!!!!!!!!!

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You NEVER seem to address the fact that the grand majority of people supporting Darwinism in these on line forums and blogs are atheists. That doesn't seem to bother you guys in the least. - FtK

Roddenberry is my God.

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,17:00   

Quote (IanBrown_101 @ Sep. 12 2007,12:11)
From the link Steve Story put up in response to someone saying ID can't really be science because it doesn't have mechanisms:

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The mechanisms are being identified right now by biologists in academia and private practice.


WATERLOO!!!!!!!!!!

I have it on good authority that ID does not identify mechanism:

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"You're asking me to play a game: "Provide as much detail in terms of possible causal mechanisms for your ID position as I do for my Darwinian position." ID is not a mechanistic theory, and it's not ID's task to match your pathetic level of detail in telling mechanistic stories

   
Neal

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,06:17   

"Follow the money:"

Are you dumbshits serious???????
You are accusing the id proponents of "following the money". You hypocritical bastards!!!!!!!!
You and your ilk have had DECADES OF EXPERIENCE FOLLOWING THE FG MONEY!!!!!!!! (illigitimately forcing your vastly unsubstantiated agenda (through the highly manipulatable legal system and/or public school system) in order to create a socio-political construct that will support your STUPID, (in a serious scientific sense) ILLEGITIMATE ASSERTIONS SO YOU CAN (in your own minds and in a false sense) make a good living and have a wonder-fucking_full publically supported retirement with all the perks, simply by having the vastly unscrutinized and unearned positions of priviledge you fell into because your vastly philosophical prejudices carried your pathetic asses into the realm of "public mesmorizations". You D_ds.)

Sir_Toejam

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,06:17   

test

Sir_Toejam

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,06:18   

hey Neal:

http://www.webmd.com/drugs....ax+Oral

ever try it?

might be good for you.

Sir_Toejam

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,06:18   

...Yabba-GABA-Do!

Neal

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,06:25   

"So apparently Neal has some kind of problem with the biological sciences.

If only he would stop yelling and explain what it is.

Shrug.

Oh, well, back to work."


Neal's response:

The biological sciences are WONDERFUL!!!!!!!
Please, all you people, gravitate towards the legitimate biological and medical sciences!!!!!!!!
What bothers me and many others are the quasi-philosophical, pseudo-scientific significantly unsubstantiated b_t that the "macro-evolutionary" proponents have been able to essentially "shotgun" down the throats of the taxpaying public, in the name of SCIENCE, without any FG kind of significant legitimate scientific verification that would come ANYWHERE CLOSE TO confirming their vast FG SPECULATIONS!!!!!! YOU DUMB F_s) In short, move on in a way that will best serve the people who have to pay your asses, in some sort of material, tangible way.  Leave your personal agendas and the desire to "prove" your philosophical agendas to yourself and others behind. In short, grow up, YOU CHILDISH MIDDLE AGED PURVEYORS OF YOU MASTURABATORIAL PREFERENCES!!!!!!!! (or what-ever your age is)

I just don't have the time to answer all of your inane comments you D_ts!!!!!!

David Stanton

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,06:25   

Once again Neal accuses everyone else of exactly the things that he is guilty of, committment to a philosophical position and lack of evidence, lack of beneficial research in medicine, etc.  The best part is when he pleads with other people to grow up (IN ALL CAPS WITH EIGHT EXCLAMATION MARKS)!!!!!!!!  This is getting really boring.  Maybe if we ignore him he will go away.

Neal

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,06:25   

"It seems to me that you don’t appreciate the method used in science. Rather, it seems, you would like to compare philosophical positions and choose the one that you like most. Tangible evidence does not enter in this train of thoughts."


Neal's response:

You s___philosophical wishful thinking whatever!!!!!

Doc Bill

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,06:25   

I think I'd prefer our old pal Davison to Neal.

How do you like those insanities?

Neal, old buddy, get some help.  Really.  You need some therepy.

Trust me or the monsters will get you.  Yes, they will.

Neal

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,06:25   

"  Sir_Toejam wrote:

   but, gee, Neal, if it was entirely philosophical, how could it have produced testable predictions, that were, in fact, tested, and the results of which published in thousands of journal articles that have then contributed to the very advancements I was mentioning?

Exactly, science works by means of predictions and tests in order to find the most plausible explanations. This process does not always produce correct answers, but it is self-correcting. This process is used, because it has a good record in helping to understanding the phenomena in the nature.
I do not wish to undermine the importance of philosophical studies, since on occasions they may give valuable guidance.

Regards
Eric"





Neal's response:


For the sake of any kind of loving god that might be in existence of some kind that we may not understand or be able to Fg PROVE!!!!!!! Or maybe some other  explanation(s) not yet understood by the meandering perveyors of the trivial macro-e hype!!!!!  You stupid p___g SCIENCE!!!!!!!!

fnxtr

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,06:25   

Neal, calm down. You're going hurt yourself.

I don't think I'm the only one here who sees a lot of angry yelling, but no real explanation of what you're yelling about.

Are you saying that the people who have actually been studying the history of life for the past 150 years or so are all wrong, and you know why?

Okay, let's suppose for a moment that there was a mysterious cabal or mass hypnosis that led the foolish to believe that what you call macro-evolution is possible, when really it's all a big mistake.

Tell us why.

You've been saying we're all brainwashed but you refuse to reveal the Truth to us.

We've been waiting a couple days now.  

Anytime, Neal.

Really.

Just answer this <i>one</i> little question:

<b>Why is your so-called macro-evolution impossible?</b>

What's the impasse?

<i>(somewhere in the distance, a dog barked)</i>

That's what I thought.

You're nothing but a windbag.

No substance, just a lot of ranting.

Prove me wrong.

I dare you.  

<b>Present some evidence.</b>

George Cauldron

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,06:25   

<quote> Why should you look to me to explain anything son of bonehead? </quote>

That's the only intelligent question you've asked.

But you can at least explain why you went off your meds when your parents went to so much trouble to get them for you.

<quote>I really am sick of the ASSERTION that macro-evolutionary “studies” have contributed significantly to advances in science</quote>

Neal, if there's any lesson you should be taking away from this, it's that for very good reasons, no one in the world cares the tiniest bit what you think. Better get used to it.

Sir_Toejam

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,06:25   

<quote>You are not paying attention or grasping, in the least, what i have tried to convey</quote>

It's simply not possible to grasp what you are trying to convey, Neal. No matter how loudly and profanely you attempt to bolster it, adding volume to gibberish just makes it louder gibberish.

still crossing my fingers for that aneurysm.

are you sure you're taking your meds?

Sir_Toejam

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,06:25   

<quote>I modestly request you to step back a ways, and attempt to regain some sort of unbiased perspective</quote>

ROFLMAO!

funniest thing you've said yet.

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