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Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2015,11:00    Quote (Woodbine @ Mar. 31 2015,10:55) Joe's cute when he name-drops. Woodbine is an ugly bitch when she spews her ignorance -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2015,11:03    Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 31 2015,18:52) Quote (k.e.. @ Mar. 31 2015,10:47) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 31 2015,18:32)   Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 31 2015,10:12) If you prefer, you can spell out the differences between 'guided' and 'unguided' and I'll offer agreement or enhancements. It matters not to me, I just want to get this done rather than obfuscate. The entailments for unguided evolution must already exist. All you need to do is find them and post them here. That is all you have to do. the entailments flow from the theory- oops there isn't one for unguided evolution! Stop stalling and start posting the entailments for unguided evolution. Make your case. That is all you have to do. Anything else is a distraction. Joe here's one entailment you will understand. A) Because nested hierarchies are a feature of evolution B) Hippopotamuses are the nearest living land mammal to whales. Wagner, Darwin, Mayr and Denton all say the opposite. Evolution is too messy to produce a nested hierarchy. Transitional forms ruin a nested hierarchy. Obviously you are a moron Yawn sez you. Another unsupported opinion I.e. a lie. If your entailments were true then the ToE would be false. Nobody cares what your opinion is. When are you appealing the Dover decision? You know you can't win until that decision is overturned. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2015,11:03    Quote (k.e.. @ Mar. 31 2015,10:47) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 31 2015,18:32)   Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 31 2015,10:12) If you prefer, you can spell out the differences between 'guided' and 'unguided' and I'll offer agreement or enhancements. It matters not to me, I just want to get this done rather than obfuscate. The entailments for unguided evolution must already exist. All you need to do is find them and post them here. That is all you have to do. the entailments flow from the theory- oops there isn't one for unguided evolution! Stop stalling and start posting the entailments for unguided evolution. Make your case. That is all you have to do. Anything else is a distraction. Joe here's one entailment you will understand. A) Because nested hierarchies are a feature of evolution B) Hippopotamuses are the nearest living land mammal to whales. Quote The goals of scientists like Linnaeus and Cuvier- to organize the chaos of life’s diversity- are much easier to achieve if each species has a Platonic essence that distinguishes it from all others, in the same way that the absence of legs and eyelids is essential to snakes and distinguishes it from other reptiles. In this Platonic worldview, the task of naturalists is to find the essence of each species. Actually, that understates the case: In an essentialist world, the essence really is the species. Contrast this with an ever-changing evolving world, where species incessantly spew forth new species that can blend with each other. The snake Eupodophis from the late Cretaceous period, which had rudimentary legs, and the glass lizard, which is alive today and lacks legs, are just two of many witnesses  to the blurry boundaries of species. Evolution’s messy world is anathema to the clear, pristine order essentialism craves. It is thus no accident that Plato and his essentialism became the “great antihero of evolutionism,” as the twentieth century zoologist Ernst Mayr called it.- Andreas Wagner, “Arrival of the Fittest”, pages 9-10 -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2015,11:04    Quote (k.e.. @ Mar. 31 2015,11:03) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 31 2015,18:52) Quote (k.e.. @ Mar. 31 2015,10:47)   Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 31 2015,18:32)     Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 31 2015,10:12) If you prefer, you can spell out the differences between 'guided' and 'unguided' and I'll offer agreement or enhancements. It matters not to me, I just want to get this done rather than obfuscate. The entailments for unguided evolution must already exist. All you need to do is find them and post them here. That is all you have to do. the entailments flow from the theory- oops there isn't one for unguided evolution! Stop stalling and start posting the entailments for unguided evolution. Make your case. That is all you have to do. Anything else is a distraction. Joe here's one entailment you will understand. A) Because nested hierarchies are a feature of evolution B) Hippopotamuses are the nearest living land mammal to whales. Wagner, Darwin, Mayr and Denton all say the opposite. Evolution is too messy to produce a nested hierarchy. Transitional forms ruin a nested hierarchy. Obviously you are a moron Yawn sez you. Another unsupported opinion I.e. a lie. If your entailments were true then the ToE would be false. Nobody cares what your opinion is. When are you appealing the Dover decision? You know you can't win until that decision is overturned. BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA What an ignorant asshole you are. I can't appeal that decision you moron. And unguided evolution does not predict a nested hierarchy. That is a fact, not an opinion. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2015,11:06    Quote If your entailments were true then the ToE would be false. There isn't any ToE, asshole. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2015,11:07    Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 31 2015,10:59) Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 31 2015,10:54) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 31 2015,10:53)   Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 31 2015,10:42)   Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 31 2015,10:38)     Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 31 2015,10:36)     Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 31 2015,10:32)       Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 31 2015,10:12) If you prefer, you can spell out the differences between 'guided' and 'unguided' and I'll offer agreement or enhancements. It matters not to me, I just want to get this done rather than obfuscate. The entailments for unguided evolution must already exist. All you need to do is find them and post them here. That is all you have to do. the entailments flow from the theory- oops there isn't one for unguided evolution! Stop stalling and start posting the entailments for unguided evolution. Make your case. That is all you have to do. Anything else is a distraction. Joe, given your history I think its important we build this up step by step. Plus, others may not be as familiar with terms (that may be unique to you) as you are. Agreeing with or changing what I wrote is uncontentious, I'm obviously very open to discussion. You also promised to participate, and you aren't. That's disappointing. I thought ID folks were 'pro science'. Fuck you, Richie. Post those entailments or admit that you can't. Given your history this is all a coward's bluff. And you don't know what science is so shut up. Joe, you promised to participate, and your lack of participation is stopping us proceeding on the path to entailments. I'm eager to proceed, so do you agree with my initial statement or would you like to change things? Then (if you participate) we can move forward. No point in moving forward until we agree. Post the entailments or shut up, Richie. You have the entailments of a bluffing coward. Nice job. Why won't you participate, Joe? What is there to be scared of? Don't be scared, Richie, post those promised entailments! I want to Joe! Do you agree with what I've written so far? Its important we agree on the question before answering it, and you did promise to participate. If you don't agree we can change it. Nothing fairer than that. We'd be much further along if you'd participate rather than obfuscate. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2015,11:09    Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 31 2015,11:07) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 31 2015,10:59) Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 31 2015,10:54)   Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 31 2015,10:53)   Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 31 2015,10:42)     Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 31 2015,10:38)     Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 31 2015,10:36)       Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 31 2015,10:32)       Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 31 2015,10:12) If you prefer, you can spell out the differences between 'guided' and 'unguided' and I'll offer agreement or enhancements. It matters not to me, I just want to get this done rather than obfuscate. The entailments for unguided evolution must already exist. All you need to do is find them and post them here. That is all you have to do. the entailments flow from the theory- oops there isn't one for unguided evolution! Stop stalling and start posting the entailments for unguided evolution. Make your case. That is all you have to do. Anything else is a distraction. Joe, given your history I think its important we build this up step by step. Plus, others may not be as familiar with terms (that may be unique to you) as you are. Agreeing with or changing what I wrote is uncontentious, I'm obviously very open to discussion. You also promised to participate, and you aren't. That's disappointing. I thought ID folks were 'pro science'. Fuck you, Richie. Post those entailments or admit that you can't. Given your history this is all a coward's bluff. And you don't know what science is so shut up. Joe, you promised to participate, and your lack of participation is stopping us proceeding on the path to entailments. I'm eager to proceed, so do you agree with my initial statement or would you like to change things? Then (if you participate) we can move forward. No point in moving forward until we agree. Post the entailments or shut up, Richie. You have the entailments of a bluffing coward. Nice job. Why won't you participate, Joe? What is there to be scared of? Don't be scared, Richie, post those promised entailments! I want to Joe! Do you agree with what I've written so far? Its important we agree on the question before answering it, and you did promise to participate. If you don't agree we can change it. Nothing fairer than that. We'd be much further along if you'd participate rather than obfuscate. Richie, either unguided evolution has entailments or it doesn't. It does not rely on me- either they exist or they don't. Either you can post them or you can't. I did not need this much drama to post ID's entailments. Obviously you are a scared little wussy coward. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2015,11:13    Joe, you promised to participate. Do Guided and Unguided evolution share some common entailments? I would say yes, "change over time" being one. So we need to isolate areas of difference so we see different entailments and then compare those to historical and experimental data. So I really need your agreement or corrections to my opening statement. Do you agree with my opening statement? -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2015,11:15    Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 31 2015,09:53) Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 31 2015,07:52)   Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 31 2015,06:19)   Quote (The whole truth @ Mar. 30 2015,22:33) Hey joey, have you calculated/measured the CSI in an aardvark? Not a definition of an aardvark. If so, can you and will you show and compare the results of your calculation/measurement of the CSI in an aardvark to your calculations/measurements of the CSI in a flu virus, a cancerous cell, a maple tree, a carp, a gaur, allah, adam and eve, yourself, and a baboon? You have calculated/measured the 'CSI' in all of those things and much more, in your state of the art basement lab, haven't you? Yes, an aardvark has CSI. The minimal living organism has CSI. And you still have nothing, not even a brain. So that would be "no". You haven't done a single calculation other than one attempt to look at the definition of Aardvark. If that definition was in German, would it have more or less CSI? Fcuk you, Kevin. So angry he can't even spell a four-letter word. Quote I did the calculation on the organism with the minimal genome Link to it. Quote Itb has well over 500 bits of specified information. Of course it does, by your definition any DNA sequence longer than 250 nucleotides has that. Which, is roughly 116 amino acids in the protein chain. There aren't many proteins that small. Of course, as I mentioned, you don't realize that it's likely that a single gene has orders of magnitude more information that you think it does, because of the things I mentioned and dozens more that you DON'T take into account. Still doesn't show there's a designer. Quote YOU are too stupid to understand anything. You are too much of a pussy to post any entailments for unguided evolution. When did you learn this new word? I have not discussed entailments for anything. That's you and Rich. Quote You are a pencil-neck geek That's the best you've got? I've been insulted worse by 8 year-olds. I care as much about that kid as you... none at all. You don't get it do you... this isn't a real discussion. This is funny. We're doing this purely for laughter, because you're an arrogant idiot who refuses to admit mistakes... ever. This is like a bunch of engineers standing around oohing and ahhing over a 5-year-old's LEGO build. They don't take the kid seriously, but it's polite to say "well done". Maybe, someday, you'll grow up and can have an adult conversation. Of course, I really don't expect that much from you. You're too chicken to even agree that evolution and ID have differences. Edited by OgreMkV on Mar. 31 2015,11:19 -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2015,11:18    If ID isn't simply "an antievolutionary flail" then Joe will man up and participate. I have faith in him. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2015,11:21    Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 31 2015,11:18) If ID isn't simply "an antievolutionary flail" then Joe will man up and participate. I have faith in him. If unguided evolution wasn't a total failure Richie or some other evoTARD would ante up and post its entailments. Richie the drama queen refuses to do so. Can someone else grow a pair and ate up? ID isn't anti-evolution, Richie. Your ignorance is showing, again. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2015,11:22    Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 31 2015,11:21) Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 31 2015,11:18) If ID isn't simply "an antievolutionary flail" then Joe will man up and participate. I have faith in him. If unguided evolution wasn't a total failure Richie or some other evoTARD would ante up and post its entailments. Richie the drama queen refuses to do so. Can someone else grow a pair and ate up? ID isn't anti-evolution, Richie. Your ignorance is showing, again. Good! So ID isn't anti evolution. So it will share some entailments with evolution. True or false? -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2015,11:23    Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 31 2015,11:13) Joe, you promised to participate. Do Guided and Unguided evolution share some common entailments? I would say yes, "change over time" being one. So we need to isolate areas of difference so we see different entailments and then compare those to historical and experimental data. So I really need your agreement or corrections to my opening statement. Do you agree with my opening statement? ^^^^ -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2015,11:23    Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 31 2015,11:15) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 31 2015,09:53)   Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 31 2015,07:52)   Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 31 2015,06:19)     Quote (The whole truth @ Mar. 30 2015,22:33) Hey joey, have you calculated/measured the CSI in an aardvark? Not a definition of an aardvark. If so, can you and will you show and compare the results of your calculation/measurement of the CSI in an aardvark to your calculations/measurements of the CSI in a flu virus, a cancerous cell, a maple tree, a carp, a gaur, allah, adam and eve, yourself, and a baboon? You have calculated/measured the 'CSI' in all of those things and much more, in your state of the art basement lab, haven't you? Yes, an aardvark has CSI. The minimal living organism has CSI. And you still have nothing, not even a brain. So that would be "no". You haven't done a single calculation other than one attempt to look at the definition of Aardvark. If that definition was in German, would it have more or less CSI? Fcuk you, Kevin. So angry he can't even spell a four-letter word.   Quote I did the calculation on the organism with the minimal genome Link to it.   Quote Itb has well over 500 bits of specified information. Of course it does, by your definition any DNA sequence longer than 250 nucleotides has that. Which, is roughly 116 amino acids in the protein chain. There aren't many proteins that small. Of course, as I mentioned, you don't realize that it's likely that a single gene has orders of magnitude more information that you think it does, because of the things I mentioned and dozens more that you DON'T take into account. Still doesn't show there's a designer.   Quote YOU are too stupid to understand anything. You are too much of a pussy to post any entailments for unguided evolution. When did you learn this new word? I have not discussed entailments for anything. That's you and Rich. Quote You are a pencil-neck geek That's the best you've got? I've been insulted worse by 8 year-olds. I care as much about that kid as you... none at all. You don't get it do you... this isn't a real discussion. This is funny. We're doing this purely for laughter, because you're an arrogant idiot who refuses to admit mistakes... ever. This is like a bunch of engineers standing around oohing and ahhing over a 5-year-old's LEGO build. They don't take the kid seriously, but it's polite to say "well done". Maybe, someday, you'll grow up and can have an adult conversation. Of course, I really don't expect that much from you. You're too chicken to even agree that evolution and ID have differences. Kevin, You have nothing. There isn't any theory of evolution. There aren't any entailments for unguided evolution. You are scientifically illiterate and a coward. Everything you asked for is on my blog. It has a search feature. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2015,11:25    Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 31 2015,11:22) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 31 2015,11:21) Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 31 2015,11:18) If ID isn't simply "an antievolutionary flail" then Joe will man up and participate. I have faith in him. If unguided evolution wasn't a total failure Richie or some other evoTARD would ante up and post its entailments. Richie the drama queen refuses to do so. Can someone else grow a pair and ate up? ID isn't anti-evolution, Richie. Your ignorance is showing, again. Good! So ID isn't anti evolution. So it will share some entailments with evolution. True or false? Richie, thank you for proving that you are an asshole. "Share entailments with evolution"? Nice ignorant cowardice there, with a little equivocation thrown in for good measure. Post those entailments, Richie. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2015,11:27    Aren't you supposed to be "ID's rottweiler", the great debater or something? -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2015,11:27    Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 31 2015,11:13) Joe, you promised to participate. Do Guided and Unguided evolution share some common entailments? I would say yes, "change over time" being one. So we need to isolate areas of difference so we see different entailments and then compare those to historical and experimental data. So I really need your agreement or corrections to my opening statement. Do you agree with my opening statement? Richie, just post the entailments that are specific to unguided evolution. If you are too stupid to know what is and isn't then just post what you have and we will go from there. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2015,11:27    Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 31 2015,11:25) Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 31 2015,11:22) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 31 2015,11:21)   Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 31 2015,11:18) If ID isn't simply "an antievolutionary flail" then Joe will man up and participate. I have faith in him. If unguided evolution wasn't a total failure Richie or some other evoTARD would ante up and post its entailments. Richie the drama queen refuses to do so. Can someone else grow a pair and ate up? ID isn't anti-evolution, Richie. Your ignorance is showing, again. Good! So ID isn't anti evolution. So it will share some entailments with evolution. True or false? Richie, thank you for proving that you are an asshole. "Share entailments with evolution"? Nice ignorant cowardice there, with a little equivocation thrown in for good measure. Post those entailments, Richie. Yes or No (I even gave an example for goodness sakes!) -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2015,11:27    Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 31 2015,11:27) Aren't you supposed to be "ID's rottweiler", the great debater or something? I am showing that you are an ignorant coward. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2015,11:28    Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 31 2015,11:27) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 31 2015,11:25) Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 31 2015,11:22)   Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 31 2015,11:21)   Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 31 2015,11:18) If ID isn't simply "an antievolutionary flail" then Joe will man up and participate. I have faith in him. If unguided evolution wasn't a total failure Richie or some other evoTARD would ante up and post its entailments. Richie the drama queen refuses to do so. Can someone else grow a pair and ate up? ID isn't anti-evolution, Richie. Your ignorance is showing, again. Good! So ID isn't anti evolution. So it will share some entailments with evolution. True or false? Richie, thank you for proving that you are an asshole. "Share entailments with evolution"? Nice ignorant cowardice there, with a little equivocation thrown in for good measure. Post those entailments, Richie. Yes or No (I even gave an example for goodness sakes!) Post the entailments for unguided evolution. That is all you have to do and yet you are too chicken-shit to do it. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2015,11:29    Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 31 2015,19:03) Quote (k.e.. @ Mar. 31 2015,10:47) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 31 2015,18:32)   Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 31 2015,10:12) If you prefer, you can spell out the differences between 'guided' and 'unguided' and I'll offer agreement or enhancements. It matters not to me, I just want to get this done rather than obfuscate. The entailments for unguided evolution must already exist. All you need to do is find them and post them here. That is all you have to do. the entailments flow from the theory- oops there isn't one for unguided evolution! Stop stalling and start posting the entailments for unguided evolution. Make your case. That is all you have to do. Anything else is a distraction. Joe here's one entailment you will understand. A) Because nested hierarchies are a feature of evolution B) Hippopotamuses are the nearest living land mammal to whales. Quote The goals of scientists like Linnaeus and Cuvier- to organize the chaos of life’s diversity- are much easier to achieve if each species has a Platonic essence that distinguishes it from all others, in the same way that the absence of legs and eyelids is essential to snakes and distinguishes it from other reptiles. In this Platonic worldview, the task of naturalists is to find the essence of each species. Actually, that understates the case: In an essentialist world, the essence really is the species. Contrast this with an ever-changing evolving world, where species incessantly spew forth new species that can blend with each other. The snake Eupodophis from the late Cretaceous period, which had rudimentary legs, and the glass lizard, which is alive today and lacks legs, are just two of many witnesses  to the blurry boundaries of species. Evolution’s messy world is anathema to the clear, pristine order essentialism craves. It is thus no accident that Plato and his essentialism became the “great antihero of evolutionism,” as the twentieth century zoologist Ernst Mayr called it.- Andreas Wagner, “Arrival of the Fittest”, pages 9-10 Nup no support for ID in that quote got something better? -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2015,11:29    Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 31 2015,11:27) Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 31 2015,11:27) Aren't you supposed to be "ID's rottweiler", the great debater or something? I am showing that you are an ignorant coward. By not participating in the discussion you're showing us who the coward is. Why don't you participate. What could be your motivation? -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2015,11:31    Quote Of course it does, by your definition any DNA sequence longer than 250 nucleotides has that. WRONG- only DNA sequences that also encode for a protein. You are just an intellectual reject, Kevin. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2015,11:31    Quote (k.e.. @ Mar. 31 2015,11:29) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 31 2015,19:03) Quote (k.e.. @ Mar. 31 2015,10:47)   Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 31 2015,18:32)     Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 31 2015,10:12) If you prefer, you can spell out the differences between 'guided' and 'unguided' and I'll offer agreement or enhancements. It matters not to me, I just want to get this done rather than obfuscate. The entailments for unguided evolution must already exist. All you need to do is find them and post them here. That is all you have to do. the entailments flow from the theory- oops there isn't one for unguided evolution! Stop stalling and start posting the entailments for unguided evolution. Make your case. That is all you have to do. Anything else is a distraction. Joe here's one entailment you will understand. A) Because nested hierarchies are a feature of evolution B) Hippopotamuses are the nearest living land mammal to whales.   Quote The goals of scientists like Linnaeus and Cuvier- to organize the chaos of life’s diversity- are much easier to achieve if each species has a Platonic essence that distinguishes it from all others, in the same way that the absence of legs and eyelids is essential to snakes and distinguishes it from other reptiles. In this Platonic worldview, the task of naturalists is to find the essence of each species. Actually, that understates the case: In an essentialist world, the essence really is the species. Contrast this with an ever-changing evolving world, where species incessantly spew forth new species that can blend with each other. The snake Eupodophis from the late Cretaceous period, which had rudimentary legs, and the glass lizard, which is alive today and lacks legs, are just two of many witnesses  to the blurry boundaries of species. Evolution’s messy world is anathema to the clear, pristine order essentialism craves. It is thus no accident that Plato and his essentialism became the “great antihero of evolutionism,” as the twentieth century zoologist Ernst Mayr called it.- Andreas Wagner, “Arrival of the Fittest”, pages 9-10 Nup no support for ID in that quote got something better? It refuted your claim, asshole. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2015,11:32    Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 31 2015,11:29) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 31 2015,11:27) Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 31 2015,11:27) Aren't you supposed to be "ID's rottweiler", the great debater or something? I am showing that you are an ignorant coward. By not participating in the discussion you're showing us who the coward is. Why don't you participate. What could be your motivation? By not posting the entailments for unguided evolution, YOU are the coward, Richie. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2015,11:32    Joe if you promise to participate then a reasonable expectation is participation in formulation of terms and concepts, which I've been completely flexible with ( I define, you amend | or you define, I amend). What could be fairer than that, and why wouldn't you want to participate? It doesn't look good. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2015,11:32    Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 31 2015,19:06) Quote If your entailments were true then the ToE would be false. There isn't any ToE, asshole. Just as frequency is the same as wavelength???? Shall we call these Joe's Entailments? Joe hero of the ID movement whose entailments are making a monkey of him. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2015,11:32    Turning out to be another Joe G classic. This one will be referenced a lot, I think.   -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2015,11:33    Quote (k.e.. @ Mar. 31 2015,11:32) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 31 2015,19:06) Quote If your entailments were true then the ToE would be false. There isn't any ToE, asshole. Just as frequency is the same as wavelength???? Link to the theory of evolution or admit that I am correct. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2015,11:33    Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 31 2015,11:32) Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 31 2015,11:29) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 31 2015,11:27)   Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 31 2015,11:27) Aren't you supposed to be "ID's rottweiler", the great debater or something? I am showing that you are an ignorant coward. By not participating in the discussion you're showing us who the coward is. Why don't you participate. What could be your motivation? By not posting the entailments for unguided evolution, YOU are the coward, Richie. Why don't you participate. What could be your motivation? -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

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